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(Yahoo)   Rosie O'Donnell thinks 9/11 was an inside job, which means she thinks the Holocaust didn't happen, which means she weighs as much as a duck, and therefore is made of wood and is a witch. Burn her   ( news.yahoo.com) divider line
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2007-04-11 02:27:59 PM  
elchip: Surely I'm not the only one who remembers the Cessna crashing on the White House lawn when Clinton was President, and everyone being shocked at the fact that the White House did not, in fact, have SAMs installed?

Ok, maybe not sams, but I'm pretty sure they had some sort of anti-aircraft capabilities there. Perhaps shoulder operated?

DROxINxTHExWIND: Ooooh, so it was only 800 degrees on the floor ABOVE them. So, by our logic the floor that they were on and the floors below should have been solid because the fire on THOSE floors was not enough to 'compromise' steel...they weren't even hot enough to make a firefighter blush.

The heat wasn't everywhere. It was in pockets. And yes, the floors below were perfectly fine.

But, when the building came down those 'uncompromised' steel supports just gave way. What?

The floors below weren't meant to hold the weight of the tons of debris that came crashing down. It's called a progressive collapse. Think about how a house of cards comes down after a few key supports are removed.
 
2007-04-11 02:28:34 PM  
Mr_Fabulous: Hey, gang. I'm not saying it was an inside job. And I'm not saying it wasn't an inside job.

All I'm saying is...teach the controversy!


Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Jesus wasn't a raptor.

www.g0tr00t.co.uk

All I'm saying is...teach the controversy!
 
2007-04-11 02:28:41 PM  
elchip


Wraithbane: Damnit, are we on one of those "agree with each other" days again? I can never keep track....

Hey, batshiat crazy right-wingers and drooling drug-addled libtards can agree from time to time...


Awww.... Group Hug!!!

Headso Niiiiiice pic!! I was paging down through the thread and came to a complete stop!!
 
2007-04-11 02:28:43 PM  
2007-04-11 02:15:45 PM LessthanZero


Why did they wait 18 months to begin the investigation?

I'm going to go ahead and guess that there were more important things going on.

==============================================

Something more important to do than to properly investigate the murder of 3,000 civilians? What if there was a policy in place that would allow it to happen again sometime in that 18 months?
Then again, they did have a war to plan.
 
2007-04-11 02:29:03 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND:

Now, isn't this supposed to be a raging inferno?? This is the place where the planes impacted the building and they only saw "two isolated pockets of fire". This is the place where the plane hit and they weren't deterred the least bit by the supposedly searing heat that was 'weakening the building's structural integrity'?


They were at the lowest level of damage, and HEAT RISES. Fire doesn't burn down very well. The 2 areas of fire they found were probably caused by burning debris falling through the ceiling, and had only just gotten going well.

You can even test this. Take a match and strike it. Hold it with the burning end up. Measure the time until it reaches your fingertips. Now do the same whild holding the burning end down. See the difference?

\gah, not again
 
2007-04-11 02:29:06 PM  
Where's the Will Smith ani gif?

/fail
 
2007-04-11 02:29:12 PM  
elchip: Shiat, you beat me to it.

No sweat. And now for the coup de grace, Corder stole the Cessna from Aldino airport on . . . . September 11, 1994!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Eugene_Corder

THENGEW! GNNIGHT!
 
2007-04-11 02:29:22 PM  
dave2198: "Because KSM is a decent human being who would never proclaim to wanting to kill every American."

Whoops!

Even nasty people are supposed to get trials in this country, dave2198. Perhaps you'd be more happy in China?
 
2007-04-11 02:29:41 PM  
The only truth I've been able to find about the events of 9/11 is that we have an Administration that is so profoundly untrustworthy that 1/3 of the people living in this country believe that GWB and DC had something to do with this shiat.
 
2007-04-11 02:30:00 PM  
tylerdurden217: It's easy to be sweeping and general when people stereotype themselves. I myself am an idiot because I voted for Supreme Warlord Bush. I recognize that and I hope to make a more informed decision this time.


You see... and I thought you were saying something completely different... hence my statement.

/Word, I like 'em
//From your post, so do you.
///Just think you needed more of them.
////Not saying I agree with your sentiment or disagree, but at least now I know what the fark you were trying to communicate.
 
2007-04-11 02:30:10 PM  
fireclown: All joking aside, they did get that one. And I'm not even that mad about it.

You're full of shiat. The responding fighters didn't know the location of a single one of the hijacked planes until after they crashed.
 
2007-04-11 02:30:14 PM  
It's amazing to me how all these folks that can't even find a job flipping burgers are suddenly "experts" on structural engineering, metallurgy, controlled demolition, and Force Dynamics. What's even MORE amazing is that every single one of these basement-dwelling jerkoffs knows more than the actual experts that examined Ground Zero first-hand. Yup, by looking at a video or examining a photo, these Super Geniuses can state beyond doubt that THEIR lunatic version of 9/11 is true, while the version given by non-nutcases who actually examined the scene (and who actually know what they're talking about) are "wrong".
 
2007-04-11 02:30:58 PM  
If the show really does fire her for that, they are violating her right to free speech.

Please tell me you're kidding.
 
2007-04-11 02:31:04 PM  
Pxtl:

His legend lives on.

Truthers are still morans.
 
2007-04-11 02:31:47 PM  
albo: at least when i was in teh USAF working SIGINT, radars couldn't detect if you had your IFF on

Exactly. It's like saying "Why couldn't they see which car didn't have it's headlights on?" when it's pitch black. The whole point of IFF is that radar is insufficient when you have so many planes in the sky.
 
2007-04-11 02:32:21 PM  
Mr_Fabulous




All I'm saying is...teach the controversy!


Are you in the right thread? I think that the evolution vs religion thread is thataway ---->
 
2007-04-11 02:32:25 PM  
Here is the audio of a useful discussion between Steven Jones and Leslie Robertson on the topic.


http://www.911podcasts.com/files/audio/StevenJones_LeslieRobertson_200​61026.mp 3
 
2007-04-11 02:32:45 PM  
/Words, I like 'em
//From your post, so do you.
///Just think you needed more of them.


That makes more sense now.
 
2007-04-11 02:32:51 PM  
Sir Charles

You bastard! I'd thankfully forgotten that movie. Now where'd I put that eye bleach...
 
2007-04-11 02:33:17 PM  
Something more important to do than to properly investigate the murder of 3,000 civilians?

this murder was also an act of war that needed to be responded to.

and what are you really arguing--the fact that it took a while to completely investigate 9/11, or the fact that they didn't reach the conclusions you think they should have?
 
2007-04-11 02:33:30 PM  
FACT: US air defenses were revealed to be pathetic on 9-11. Holy shiat, you're right! We should have had fighter planes circling every civilian airport in the U.S. ready to shoot down the first airliner to make an unexpected maneuver!

Good one, Boojum2k. Methinks Crypto has seen one too many movies.
 
2007-04-11 02:33:33 PM  
elchip
I bow to my raptor-messiah overlord. And to you, his one true prophet!

/awesome pic
 
Ral
2007-04-11 02:33:36 PM  
Goddammit I hate this woman even more now, if that's possible. Who the hell does she think she is, passing edicts on skyscraper engineering when she knows absolutely nothing about it.

/read that the architect of the buildings designed them to fall exactly the way they did, straight down in pancake stacks.
 
2007-04-11 02:33:55 PM  
I'm part of the 9/11 cover-up so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

\Does anyone besides me not find the humor that TFA itself immediately compares Rosie to a Holocaust denier?
\\Journalistic Godwinning?
\\\Put your tinfoil hats on! Actually, to be fair, take a scale model of either tower and up the odds. Fire a magnesium round from a .55 rifle at it from 15 feet away. Also, cover your scale model with napalm, place sulfur and aluminum inside. Observe results closely.
 
2007-04-11 02:34:40 PM  
Even nasty people are supposed to get trials in this country, dave2198. Perhaps you'd be more happy in China?

I agree, but that hardly means that everything is a lie.

Sometimes, cases are closed rather quickly and easily. And sometimes, it isn't in our best interest to broadcast everything to your TV. Because guess what? If he says "so and so helped me plan this" live on CNN before the government has a chance to investigate, what do you think would happen?

I'm sure he wouldn't run, or that his peers wouldn't have him killed or talk him into suicide to protect the cause.

I'm sure he would just turn himself right in and this whole thing would be cleared right up.
 
2007-04-11 02:34:55 PM  
Mr_Fabulous: I bow to my raptor-messiah overlord. And to you, his one true prophet!

/awesome pic


It is a nice start, but i think they should also do the hands...

/Good pic
 
2007-04-11 02:35:19 PM  
cryptozoophiliac

"Even nasty people are supposed to get trials in this country, dave2198. Perhaps you'd be more happy in China?"

He wasn't in this Country.

I thought you had to go back to work?
 
2007-04-11 02:35:32 PM  
img217.imageshack.us

That beam was cut with an oxy/acetylene torch. I've made thousands of similar cuts myself.

The beams were cut during removal. The picture is obviously a significant amount of time after the collapse, since there are people standing there with minimal protective gear.

Also, the people are at a lower level than the cut, meaning that lots of material has been removed from that area.
 
2007-04-11 02:35:57 PM  
I've never seen the truthers explain some of the basic flaws in their theories. For example, no one except perhaps the looniest of them denies that muslim terrorists hijacked four planes, flew two into the twin towers, one into the pentagon and crashed one in a field. That much is accepted. Here's my question, wouldn't a terrorist attack of that scale be more than enough justification for war? Hundreds would have died even if the twin towers hadn't fallen. Why would our government feel the need to implement an extremely complex and risky operation in conjunction with the attack to ensure the towers fell. That is just absurd, and if anyone can explain why they might chance it I would be interested to hear it.

Why hasn't a single credible person spoken up to admit it was an inside job. An operation of this scale would presumably require several hundred people, either directly involved or with knowledge of some aspects of it. Yet not one shred of paper with "plans" on it has turned up. Not one single person aghast at the deaths of their countrymen has spoken up and pointed fingers. All anyone can ever find is blurry pictures and dubious scientific analysis. Our government may be good but they are not that good.
 
2007-04-11 02:36:28 PM  
2007-04-11 02:30:14 PM AladinSane
It's amazing to me how all these folks that can't even find a job flipping burgers are suddenly "experts" on structural engineering, metallurgy, controlled demolition, and Force Dynamics.


You think that's something? You should watch them go off on global climatology!
 
2007-04-11 02:36:43 PM  
"Steel loses 50% percent of its strength at 1200 degrees. That is well within the burning range of jet fuel, 800-1800 degrees depending on the conditions."

Structural steel is not a porous substance. Steel beams four inches thick would not absorb jet fuel like so many charcoal briquettes. It would take well over an hour for the temperature of the steel to rise to the temperature of the burning jet fuel, whereas it would take a mere two or three minutes for 5,000 gallons of highly flammable jet fuel to burn away forever. Within five minutes of each plane crash, the jet fuel was gone and all that was left to burn was the carbon-based contents of the buildings. These could not have burned at temperatures hot enough to weaken steel, let alone leave pools of molten metal that remained weeks and even months after the fire was out.

Have you ever heard of anyone putting so much lighter fluid on the charcoal that the fire burned right through the steel grill? Of course not, it doesn't work that way. The excess lighter fluid burns off with a huge whoosh. The fluid-soaked charcoal continues to burn slowly at a much lower temperature. And the steel grill remains intact. So it should have been with the Towers, if jet fuel were the only accelerant involved in their demise.
 
2007-04-11 02:37:22 PM  
elchip

durbnpoisn: If they fire her, she's got a case. It's a free speech issue.

The first amendment protects you from the government silencing you, not your private sector employer.


You think that after the brazillionth time that has been pointed out, people would finally get it.
 
2007-04-11 02:38:13 PM  
shijjiri: \\\Put your tinfoil hats on! Actually, to be fair, take a scale model of either tower and up the odds. Fire a magnesium round from a .55 rifle at it from 15 feet away. Also, cover your scale model with napalm, place sulfur and aluminum inside. Observe results closely.

You do know that strength doesn't scale directly with volume, yes? Strength of a beam is based on a it's thickness (2d cross section). so if the model was 1/100th the size, it's strength would be not 1/100th, but rather 1/10th.

This is why you can step on your dinky cars and they are fine and yet godzilla would crush your real car.
//Also why godzilla couldn't exist as portrayed.
 
2007-04-11 02:38:17 PM  
there are TOO MANY theories out there right now that all contridict...

one says the government shot down flight 93
another says it landed safely and is hiding

one says a missile hit the pentagon
another says remote control military jet

all the contridictions with in the theory community causes them ALL to be grouped together...

personally... i think this is all "blow back" and thats why we dont have the complete truth

watch Why we Fight

best docudrama i can think of... fark Loose CHange
 
2007-04-11 02:38:44 PM  
ElBarto79: For example, no one except perhaps the looniest of them denies that muslim terrorists hijacked four planes, flew two into the twin towers, one into the pentagon and crashed one in a field.

That's where you're wrong.

Picador: Structural steel is not a porous substance. Steel beams four inches thick would not absorb jet fuel like so many charcoal briquettes. It would take well over an hour for the temperature of the steel to rise to the temperature of the burning jet fuel, whereas it would take a mere two or three minutes for 5,000 gallons of highly flammable jet fuel to burn away forever. Within five minutes of each plane crash, the jet fuel was gone and all that was left to burn was the carbon-based contents of the buildings. These could not have burned at temperatures hot enough to weaken steel, let alone leave pools of molten metal that remained weeks and even months after the fire was out.

Have you ever heard of anyone putting so much lighter fluid on the charcoal that the fire burned right through the steel grill? Of course not, it doesn't work that way. The excess lighter fluid burns off with a huge whoosh. The fluid-soaked charcoal continues to burn slowly at a much lower temperature. And the steel grill remains intact. So it should have been with the Towers, if jet fuel were the only accelerant involved in their demise.


I wonder what would happen if you poured some 1400 degree molten aluminum into it...
 
2007-04-11 02:39:06 PM  
Ok, ok, you got us, truthers. We admit it. It was us, the Jews. We destroyed the Towers.

What do you expect? We killed Jesus, after all. And we'd do it again.
 
2007-04-11 02:39:12 PM  
untrustworthy: People care. I care. But the likelihood of another attack like this happening within our borders is next to nothing.

so the cluster fark response will be played out over again when the next innovative attack happens...what are we paying for then?
 
2007-04-11 02:39:15 PM  
Dear Picador: please tell us what you do for a living, that makes you more of an expert on "Structural Steel". I mean, BESIDES your massive experience with BBQ Grills.

You sir, are a MASSIVE dumbass. You think because you grilled some hamburgers once, you suddenly know exactly what happened inside of the WTC towers.
 
2007-04-11 02:39:38 PM  
Have you ever heard of anyone putting so much lighter fluid on the charcoal that the fire burned right through the steel grill? Of course not, it doesn't work that way. The excess lighter fluid burns off with a huge whoosh.

try that experiment with a 110-story grill and many tons of jet fuel hitting said grill at 450 mph and i'd be more convinced
 
2007-04-11 02:39:44 PM  
Rosie O'Donnell is a Greasy headed Ho
 
2007-04-11 02:39:52 PM  
There is so much crazy in this thread that's rather scary.
 
2007-04-11 02:39:59 PM  
Sir Charles
why did you have to say that? look what you made me do.


I was had the compulsion to do the same exact thing. Luckily, you beat me to it.
 
2007-04-11 02:40:05 PM  
Picador: These could not have burned at temperatures hot enough to weaken steel, let alone leave pools of molten metal that remained weeks and even months after the fire was out.

Bullshiat. When steel is heated irregularly it only takes temperatures of several hundred degrees to cause it to warp and lose it's structural integrity. This can easily happen with the type of fires that continued to burn in the towers.
 
2007-04-11 02:40:31 PM  
Yamagoo: Rosie O'Donnell is a Greasy headed Ho

But so ARTICULATE!
 
2007-04-11 02:40:37 PM  
2007-04-11 02:28:34 PM elchip


well you can pray to whatever jesus you want, i'm going to pray to 8lb 6oz baby jesus...


img79.imageshack.us

and for the record, ididnt bail due to being hit repeatedly, i have my son and my lil brother is visiting as well... just an fyi....

/and thanks, i was worried i'd come back this would be on main page and there'd be 300+ "mathmatix is a nutjob" posts
//most just made blanket statements equating folks who believe or consider conspiracies a noob/nutjob/idiot/moran or so on....
///and dont lump me in with the hate bush, has to be conspiracy group.
 
2007-04-11 02:40:48 PM  
Regardless of whether you think it was an inside nutjob or not, i find something reasonably unhealthy about believing EVERYTHING that the official report has to say. The majority of farkers have their truth well and truly figured out and anyone who dares suggest that things may not be all they seem is a TINFOIL HAT WEARING CONSPIRACY THEORIST.

Most truthers don't claim to have the truth, they just wonder what was really behind the largest single attack of modern times. From the fall of the buildings, to the fact that the attack was carried off at all (difficult flight paths, the fact that they were allowed on the planes at all, the failiure to intercept the planes) and not forgetting the incredible coincidence that the guy we hold responsible for the attacks is a member of a family that has a close financial relationship with the family of the President, the consequences of the attacks and the people who stood to benefit most from them (security and heh, "defence" companies not to mention oil companies thanks to the 'failing' war in Iraq), something doesn't seem to add up.

If the majority of farkers believe that within that whole interlinked scenario there is not one thing that cannot be explained by an official report, that the government is to believed on every level of this conspiracy (whoever you think was behind it, it is a conspiracy, let us not deny that) then... so be it.

Personally i find it hard to believe that a government who lied through their teeth to start a massive war in Iraq, that has large numbers of shady contracts going in the middle east (saudi arabia, for example) and is heavily invested in its military would suddenly come out with the purest truth in the aftermath of the largest terrorist attack in history. But believe whoever you want. I don't know who i believe in this.... probably no one. But i know for sure who has the most incentive to lie to me.

/continue nitpicking...
 
2007-04-11 02:41:56 PM  
There are two types of people in this thread. Those who do not support Rosie and the Rosiecrucians, Some defend their beliefs with shields of logic and fact while others defend their beliefs with Reynolds Wrap.
 
2007-04-11 02:42:20 PM  
epoc_tnac

Your hat is on sideways and the tinfoil is bunched up in the back.
 
2007-04-11 02:42:43 PM  
Rosie has so much Shiat inside her that you can here it bubbling as she talks excitedly. You dont see it on camera but I bet she's spitting all over everyone on The View...

At least I'd like to think so.....

The View (from our Vaj) is the single worst thing ever put on TV.
 
2007-04-11 02:42:49 PM  
Headso: so the cluster fark response will be played out over again when the next innovative attack happens...what are we paying for then?

Sometimes our planning protects us, and sometimes they get through our safeguards anyway. It's not pointless to try to prevent attacks from happening, but it's silly to think that our planning will protect us from every attack.
 
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