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2007-04-11 01:52:35 PM  
cryptozoophiliac: Got that, UNTRUSTWORTHY? Khalid Sheik Mohammed: NO TRIAL. No evidence necessary, just the word of the government will do these days.

What does that have to do with the discussion at hand?

DROxINxTHExWIND: Investigated?? They barely investigated the act itself. Name another murder scene where the evidence was demolished and thrown onto a truck by volunteers before an investigator looked at it?

The investigators were on site, and they flagged important pieces which were further studied at the dump site in New Jersey. There are actual films of these people doing the investigation and showing the parts that were key in the structural failures.
 
2007-04-11 01:53:09 PM  
Rosie seems like such bitter person. Isn't she happy with her money and lifestyle.
 
2007-04-11 01:53:45 PM  
elchip:
mathmatix: The tallest building ever imploded was less than half as tall as WTC7, and it took 12 people working over 24 days to install the explosives. You can't just strap a couple bombs on a few support beams and run off.

To me this is the biggest argument against implosion. Taking down a building is an engineering feat, an incredible complex engineering feat. You can't do it without anyone noticing. It just can't be done.

Meh. They have maintenance guys working in a building that size every day. Piece 'o cake to move some ordinance in, bit by bit. Real slow like. Over months or years. All you have to do is detonate just before the plane hits, 'cause theres going to be a whole mess of downward force (I think we decided on 36 million pounds) flying around.
 
2007-04-11 01:53:46 PM  
Negligible

NEW RULE!

Everyone who posts something along the lines of
"OMG THERMITE TEH US IZ DE JOO REVERSE VAMPIRE TERRORIZTS!!1!"
is from this point on required to post their credentials, either education or work experience, that qualifies them to talk about structural engineering, chemistry, demolitions, aeronautical engineering, architecture, or fire propogation.

Otherwise you get the ass(tinfoil)hat designation.


1. Con a bunch of nutjob fundamentalists to hijack planes on a suicide mission. (Not hard to do, given that there are lots of wacko jihadists out there, thanks to US/UN/Israeli policies.

2. Give them the inside poop on the ideal day for the jacking (HINT: pick a day when the US air defense is busy doing drills, and thus unlikely to be able to recognize a real event from the drill)

3. ?????

4. Profit.


3.
a. Short sell every stock you can lay hands on.
b. Buy large quantities of gasoline and sell them at
inflated prices on the day of the disaster.


So where exactly in my post do I talk about structural engineering, chemistry, demolitions, aeronautical engineering, architecture, or fire propogation?

And who the hell are you to make a new rule? Hmm...what are your credentials? Are you a god?
 
2007-04-11 01:53:47 PM  
BillSPreston: The fact that people keep falling for the same scam over and over again is defacto proof that evolution does not occur, at least not in human consciousness.

Enjoy your war forever.
 
2007-04-11 01:54:24 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND


Investigated?? They barely investigated the act itself. Name another murder scene where the evidence was demolished and thrown onto a truck by volunteers before an investigator looked at it?


Half of New York City & Northern Jersey saw the planes hit the towers. There was no doubt in their mind what caused their collapse and destruction. The City government and relief crews certainly had no reason to retain, for investigation, evidence which would just prove what they had seen.

Please, drop the Grand Conspiracy angle.
 
2007-04-11 01:54:25 PM  
For a spec on how the lunar lander worked, check out this site: http://fi.edu/pieces/schutte/LRV.html.

When I worked at Space Camp, we had a small model of the lander and was able to show kids how it folded up and fit for the ride to the moon.
 
2007-04-11 01:54:25 PM  
pandaexpresscat


Hey! Y'all remember Rosie in "The Flintstones" movie?
Good times


Good times? That movie sucked Barney's balls.

And do you see this?

i117.photobucket.com

This is Betty Rubble.

See this? (I advise you not to look directly into it.)

i50.photobucket.com

This is Sad, Insane Woman.

Rosie O Donnell as Betty Rubble? The only thing I can think of that's more revolting is putting her in a skin-tight, leather dominatrix outfit.
 
2007-04-11 01:55:02 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND: Name another murder scene where the evidence was demolished and thrown onto a truck by volunteers before an investigator looked at it?

Well, that didn't happen at the WTC site either. Ahem:
The American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE), together with the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), has established a team of experts, the Building Performance Assessment Team (BPAT), to investigate the factors that led to the collapse of and damage to the World Trade Center towers and other buildings around them (see box below). The team will also identify and make recommendations on further research that needs to be done as a consequence of the terrorist attacks.

The BPAT team is made up of experts in tall buildings, steel structures, connections, fire engineering, blast effects, and structural investigations.

Dr. Venkatesh Kodur, a research officer at NRC's Institute for Research in Construction and a leading world expert on the fire resistance of building materials, is the only expert from outside the United States invited to join the team.

At the beginning of October, the team visited the collapsed and damaged buildings at Ground Zero and over a period of six days collected a significant amount of data on building performance under extreme conditions. It is now in the process of analyzing this data to determine which parts of the buildings and, specifically, which columns were destroyed on initial impact, and how the fire grew and contributed to the collapse of the towers and the surrounding buildings.
Also:
At Ground Zero, almost a month after the attacks, the stench of destruction and death was still strong. Across the bay at the Fresh Kills Landfill on Staten Island, recovery teams were at work screening debris down to a quarter of an inch--the size of the smallest human bone. "As an engineer," Barnett says, "you tell yourself, OK, I have to be professional, I have to take notes, I have to ignore the death around me. At the same time, as a human being, that's not easy to do."

Team members toured what was left of the 16-acre World Trade Center Plaza, interviewed officials and eyewitnesses, and examined remnants of fallen structures at the Staten Island landfill and at salvage yards. Steel samples were cut and cataloged for further study, and some were taken back to WPI for analysis.
And considering the cleanup took over half a year, the evidence wasn't exactly whisked away in moments...

albo: elchip, want to take this one?

That particular argument no longer merits a response.
 
2007-04-11 01:55:06 PM  
Damn Fark Filter, there was supposed to be an image:

farm1.static.flickr.com
 
2007-04-11 01:55:07 PM  
pub.tv2.no
Cold day in Hell before I listen to anything this women has to say!
(Either of these women!)
 
2007-04-11 01:55:11 PM  
Not that there's anything wrong with that Headso...
 
2007-04-11 01:55:32 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND

As far as the molten metal in the basement, the World trade center had more gold than Fort Knox. It just happens to melt at a far lower temperature than steel. I understand being suspicious of this government. They've black bagged people including US citizens, they've distorted the truth habitually and they've restored the image of government as fire. Useful tool, but dangerous master. When it comes to destroying the trade centers, to what point and purpose? To rally public support for the invasion of Afghanistan segueing to the invasion of Iraq? That's pretty shaky. We had plenty of reason to hit Iraq without the trade center. Clinton's outgoing intelligence people advised a hit against Afghanistan after the USS Cole anyway. Why hit the US economy?
 
2007-04-11 01:55:43 PM  
Thread was Godwinned before it started. Downhill from there.
 
2007-04-11 01:56:04 PM  
nashBridges: Maybe not a nut-job, but you are leaning towards lazy. Just because you cannot find something on Google in five seconds

Am I lazy? Perhaps but you have shown you are subject to jumping to conclusions. This thought had occurred to me a while ago and I spent considerable time trying to find it. Perhaps you simply shouldn't assume I'm a lazy asshat who only spent 5 seconds on it. Also, if you see my posts after that, someone enlightened me and we moved on.

/The quest for knowledge and looking at things with a critical eye (willing to accept the facts when presented), does not make one a nutjob.
 
2007-04-11 01:56:05 PM  
Picador: So is anyone bothered by the fact that although the Pentagon billed us trillions of dollars to provide for our defense, they failed utterly to defend us on 9/11? Apparently they were so incompetent that even when the whole world knew that we were under attack via hijacked aircraft, the Air Force couldn't be bothered to defend the airspace over the Capitol and left their own home base wide open to attack. Isn't it just a trifle bothersome that no one was ever held accountable for this egregious failure?

Who the hell planned the training exercises that were apparently so all-encompassing as to leave the entire nation defenseless? What are the odds that such an exercise would take place the very day the hijackers struck and how come the Pentagon couldn't call off the war games within two minutes of the second plane'shiatting the Towers? It would be another half an hour before a third plane struck the Pentagon and yet we're supposed to believe that it was unavoidable because the USAF was caught totally unawares.


Oh, please shut up and go read the 9/11 report. Your ignorant rant is making you look dumber than you probably really are.
 
2007-04-11 01:56:15 PM  
Devilfunk:

That's a perfect storm of crazy. I salute you!
 
2007-04-11 01:56:17 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson: Not that there's anything wrong with that Headso...

yeah, he's dreamy!
 
2007-04-11 01:56:24 PM  
untrustworthy: We are discussing 9-11, the defining act of the 21st Century thus far.

Some people here are demanding credentials or evidence from those questioning the government's case or involvement.

I have just shown that the government doesn't care about evidence, by citing the case of Khalid Sheik Mohammed. So if the government doesn't care about evidence, why should I or anyone else.
 
2007-04-11 01:56:55 PM  
I'm really impressed that they piloted those airliners into the set demolition charges without setting them off or disrupting them in some way.

Very impressed.
 
2007-04-11 01:57:08 PM  
who cares if the government did it or not, it has already occured and our rights have been stripped from us. Playing the blame game solves nothing when in reality we should be uniting in a common constitutional cause to rid ourselves of authoritarian activity.
 
2007-04-11 01:57:10 PM  
2007-04-11 01:47:39 PM untrustworthy


No, because you don't need a raging inferno to weaken steel. But we do know it got pretty farking hot because of the 9/11 calls from people above the impact zone and their complaints about the extremely high temperature.
=========================================================

"Pretty farking hot"?? Jesus, the bar gets lower and lower. Now, steel can be compromised when it gets "pretty farking hot". And I guess the "two isolated pockets of fire" are what made it "pretty farking hot"...but not hot enough for the firefighters standing the farking floor where the plane hit to complain. Ok. We're the kooks.
 
2007-04-11 01:57:55 PM  
fireclown: Meh. They have maintenance guys working in a building that size every day. Piece 'o cake to move some ordinance in, bit by bit. Real slow like. Over months or years. All you have to do is detonate just before the plane hits, 'cause theres going to be a whole mess of downward force (I think we decided on 36 million pounds) flying around.

It could have been aliens too. I read that in a book.
 
2007-04-11 01:58:08 PM  
Mr. Ritz

I'm the guy who works for the government who planned 9/11 and I'm really getting a kick out of these comments.

And i'm the guy who sprinkled the fake fuselage parts all over the Pentagon lawn after the cruise missile strike.
I'm also getting a kick of these replies,

Some of you are very good at making it sound like you know what you're talking about.

But trust me. You don't.
 
2007-04-11 01:59:11 PM  
www.prophecy21.com

sorry for the bad photoshop skills... im late for work so i was in a rush...
 
2007-04-11 01:59:15 PM  
Never assume a conspiracy when sheer stupidity will adequately explain the situation.
 
2007-04-11 01:59:18 PM  
Ha! The other hosts of View have personal email addresses for their fans to write to them. Guess who was left out...
 
2007-04-11 01:59:49 PM  
MY GEER SAYS THEY WERE NOT COMMERCIAL PLAINS AT ALL, BUT REPLICAS OF AIR FORCE 1 PACKED WITH TEH EXPLOSIVES!!!11narf

www.djspyhunter.com
 
2007-04-11 01:59:53 PM  
Z_since_1516: This thread is PROVES it!

There is no way a small group of people or a rouge element could have possibly used their power to allow an enemy to attack their soil to gain even more power. Its just so impossible it warrants no more investigation or discussion.

Go to sleep


Giant letters make your sarcastic comments all the more biting.
 
2007-04-11 02:00:08 PM  
cryptozoophiliac

Hey man, you made up your mind, why you here?

You don't talk physical evidence anymore (because you know you can't), you just spout empty rhetoric.

Go back to the Truther Boards and fellate the other trolls.
 
2007-04-11 02:00:44 PM  
mathmatix, cryptozoophiliac, BackAssward, DROxINxTHExWIND


Let's also consider Occam's Razor for a second:


This is often paraphrased as "All things being equal, the simplest solution tends to be the best one." In other words, when multiple competing theories are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selecting the theory that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest hypothetical entities. It is in this sense that Occam's razor is usually understood.


The simplest solution being, the impact from the planes & the resulting fires, through some chemical process we may disagree on, resulted in the collapse and destruction of the Twin Towers.

Because, all other explanations, including conspiracies related to the Federal Government, foreign agents, controlled demolitions, or any other variant or permutation of a conscious cover-up effort hiding the deliberate destruction of the Towers which was then pinned on Al-Qaeda is simply too complex & convoluted to be considered.
 
2007-04-11 02:01:09 PM  
cryptozoophiliac: We are discussing 9-11, the defining act of the 21st Century thus far.

Funny, I thought we were discussing what brought down the buildings as far as structural issues went.

I have just shown that the government doesn't care about evidence, by citing the case of Khalid Sheik Mohammed. So if the government doesn't care about evidence, why should I or anyone else.

This is a logical association fallacy. If you have a point to make, then do so without making bogus arguments.
 
2007-04-11 02:01:33 PM  
Technology threads give me pride for humanity
Progressive law threads give me hope for humanity
Car threads give me disinterest for humanity
Politics threads give me disgust for humanity
Conspiracy threads give me praise for Cthulhu
 
2007-04-11 02:01:38 PM  
cryptozoophiliac


You actually haven't shown squat this entire time, you've made loony assertions and demand that others accept them as facts. And when others have thoroughly debunked your crap, you switch to a different argument unrelated at all to the topic.

Next time, please wrap your face in tinfoil too. . . it'll make your posts more entertaining.
 
2007-04-11 02:01:47 PM  
Ching chong, ching chong, 9/11, chong chong ching...

///300+ posts and no one said it yet?!
 
2007-04-11 02:02:41 PM  
BackAssward: does not make one a nutjob.

I didn't say you were a nutjob. I said that it's possible to be lazy about answering your own questions. In your case, I said you were leaning towards lazy because I didn't really have an idea of how much time you spent trying to answer your own questions.
 
2007-04-11 02:02:41 PM  
Yes, and dubya was piloting flight 11....
 
2007-04-11 02:02:41 PM  
untrustworthy: fireclown: Meh. They have maintenance guys working in a building that size every day. Piece 'o cake to move some ordinance in, bit by bit. Real slow like. Over months or years. All you have to do is detonate just before the plane hits, 'cause theres going to be a whole mess of downward force (I think we decided on 36 million pounds) flying around.

It could have been aliens too. I read that in a book.



My point is how damned easy it is to do that.

Those planes hit that tower. In front of God and everybody, On live TV on a clear morning. It's going to take something effing spectacular to convince me otherwise.
 
2007-04-11 02:02:47 PM  
Animal Mother sez: ALL farkING TRUTHERS MUST farkING HANG

www.screwloosechange.com
 
2007-04-11 02:03:00 PM  
What cracks me up is that not a single person in any of these threads, or indeed anywhere else seems to show the slightest concern that our aeorspace defense was so easily penetrated, to the point of accessing the heart of our military command and control center.

It's as if 9-11 now exists only to justify aggressive action abroad, rather than a rather shocking notice of how outdated and ineffectual our civilian defense sector was.

Of course its all fixed now, thanks to the same geniuses who brought us the Iraq war, color coded terror warnings and the Kean Commission.

How'd the relatives of the 9-11 victims like that commission, by the way? I heard some were none too happy...
 
2007-04-11 02:03:05 PM  
I just thank the God that protects damned fools and truthers that the mayor of Boston did not cave in to this horrific conspiracy and let the Mooninites destroy his city.
 
2007-04-11 02:03:47 PM  
fireclown: My point is how damned easy it is to do that.

It'd be easy for aliens to do it too.
 
2007-04-11 02:04:01 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND: "Pretty farking hot"?? Jesus, the bar gets lower and lower. Now, steel can be compromised when it gets "pretty farking hot".

Here's some numbers.

Steel loses 50% percent of its strength at 1200 degrees. That is well within the burning range of jet fuel, 800-1800 degrees depending on the conditions.
 
2007-04-11 02:04:07 PM  
It was obviously the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch that brought down WTC7.
 
2007-04-11 02:04:20 PM  
Occams razor

that is all.

By the way...I am absolutely in the conspiracy camp. There was a conspiracy to hijack airplanes and crash them into the WTC, the pentagon, and either the capital building or white house. Extensive planning helped carry out these attacks.
 
2007-04-11 02:05:05 PM  
Question:

I remember reading about that cameraman who avoided filming the person on fire in the lobby of one of the WTC buildings (and I asked about it in that thread, too). How did that happen? Did they catch fire in the lobby, or catch fire somewhere else and end up there?

/don't have an theory, just curious. There's probably a reasonable explanation...
 
2007-04-11 02:05:07 PM  
albo:
i'm convinced much of the 9/11 truther nonsense comes from people who think that if they believe the "official story," they are somehow agreeing with bush and cheney and rove, people they absolutely hate, and they just can't handle that.

I think you are half right. A lot of it comes from One World Government / Illuminati crap and / or Jewish Cabal crap.
 
2007-04-11 02:05:17 PM  
How'd the relatives of the 9-11 victims like that commission, by the way? I heard some were none too happy...

Yeah, because relatives are always very logical when it comes to assigning the correct blame for a horrible event.

I heard that tears make you more logical.

Is that true?
 
2007-04-11 02:05:48 PM  
Rosie is such a retard.

The Towers didn't collapse because the steel melted. All it takes is for the steel structure to be weakend by being heated to a certain temperature WELL BELOW IT'S MELTING POINT to cause it to lose enough structural integrity for it to collapse.

The incredibly hot and long-burning fires in the pile of rubble AFTER the collapse was caused by the incredible mass of burning debris being compressed into such a small area at and below street level in the space of several seconds. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DO THAT SORT OF THING. Ask anyone who is a fire hobbyist, who works with their own furnaces, old-school metalsmiths, etc. The heat in the debris immediately after the collapse was much higher than the fires in the building immediately before the collapse that weakened the steel structure enough for it to fail.
 
2007-04-11 02:05:54 PM  
Uh.. there was a conspiracy on 9/11. 19 hijackers conspired to bring down the WTC and succeeded.

I do not believe the US government was in on the hit. I do believe Cheney (who was in charge while Bush was in the classroom) told the military to stand down and allowed it to happen.

If the Project for the New American Century didn't wish for a "new pearl harbor" and then didn't get into power, and then indeed had a "new pearl harbor" we probably wouldn't have this level of suspicion. Cheney, Wolfowitz & Rumsfeld got exactly what they wanted.

It also doesn't help that Bush & Cheney wouldn't meet with the 9/11 commission separately and under oath. I don't think there was any clearer evidence that Cheney is calling the shot than that incident.
 
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