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2007-04-11 01:12:49 PM  
Conspiracies must exist to some degree

The conspiracy happened after 9/11, when the administration seized on US anger and grief over the attacks, cherry picked and manufactured evidence, to convince the country that we needed to take care of Daddy's unfinished business in Iraq.
2007-04-11 01:13:00 PM  
mathmatix: you are so right, i forgot you were on th e9/11 commission and know everything and every detail about every moment and second of that day.. my apologies then

You do know that those photos were taken around 9/18, after crews had gone in and cut those beams to aide in the removal of debris. Right?
2007-04-11 01:13:33 PM  
subby +1

I like your logic and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
2007-04-11 01:13:45 PM  
2007-04-11 01:14:06 PM  
That was some kind of power play Subby. I was too shocked at the awesomeness of that headline to even laugh. The article failed to disappoint. Y'know, I seen me a mermaid once. I even seen me a shark eat an octopus. But I ain't never seen no news article come pre-godwinned. Or is that pre-antigodwinned?
2007-04-11 01:14:08 PM  
The people who were part of this "inside job" couldn't coordinated microwaving easy Mac much less one the greatest terrorist attacks in history. Their greatest defense is their own incompetence.
2007-04-11 01:14:08 PM  
wtf is a reverse vampire? they can only go out in the day and they make people drink their blood? normal vampire sounds cooler. like, a LOT cooler.
2007-04-11 01:14:12 PM  
Headso: conspiring to cover up your colossal incompetence in preventing a terrorist attack is still a conspiracy...

Yeah, but that's not what we're arguing about.
2007-04-11 01:16:05 PM
2007-04-11 01:16:11 PM  
Dasboot: I did some GIS and could not find any pics of the buggy mounted to the lunar lander, but apparently it was mounted to the outside and the astronauts detached it when they landed. I am sure there are pics or drawings somewhere.

Given their relative size and my understanding of engineering, I cannot see it mounter to the side. The lander is obviously made to be relatively balanced from side to side, the lander would shift it's center of gravity to the extent it would have made landing quite impossible... this is also why it couldn't be mounted underneath (it would obstruct the rocket).

They could have dropped it from the orbiter, but then, they didn't really have the capabilities to keep it from crashing into the moon (no atmosphere = no parachutes and the airbag system used on MARS is very new).

/As for those that had said they answered all the questions... no not all, only the easy ones to answer that were obviously made by nutjobs with no understanding. Most *valid* questions are simply dismissed.
//Not convinced either way... just looking for answers from a science point of view, not one created by the media, marketers, and the government.
2007-04-11 01:16:19 PM  
Yeah, building 7 fell because of.. uh.. FIRE!! yeah thats it!!
2007-04-11 01:16:23 PM  
If deep thinkers Charlie Sheen and Rosie O'Donnell say it's true, it must be!!!
2007-04-11 01:16:47 PM  
Isn't it possible that accomplices to the terrorists could have cut strategic support beams? Planting explosives they couldn't have done, but if you can get through the support beam without waking anyone up, no one's going to notice until the zero hour.
2007-04-11 01:16:49 PM  
elchip: Yeah, but that's not what we're arguing about.

Doesn't seem like much of any argument is happening. The alternative conspiracy theories get weaker and more obscure as time goes on. I also miss the days of people claiming that a missile hit the Pentagon. Those were good times.
2007-04-11 01:17:12 PM  
untrustworthy: Virtually every time we have a traumatic event, particularly one caused by people, there are conspiracy theories. Think of the Kennedy assassination, Pearl Harbor, or even as far back as Lincoln's assassination.

it depends on how the government reacts to the situation, the challenger explosion had tons of conspiracy theories linked to it because it was handled in a seemingly sketchy manner when Columbia broke up they were very upfront about what happened and people were pretty accepting of the story...
2007-04-11 01:17:13 PM  
2007-04-11 01:17:15 PM  
The government IS lying about 9/11. It actually happened on 9/10 but they hushed it up because 9/11 - dial 911 was just too cool a coninkydink to pass up.
2007-04-11 01:17:48 PM  
I got about halfway down, we got into the "loose change" thing, so I felt obligated:

Some good reading there about the 'experts' they talked to and so forth.
2007-04-11 01:17:49 PM  
I like the statement that fire can't melt metal. do you think they form steel or other metals, with magic laser beams?
2007-04-11 01:17:53 PM  
Umm, we already did this flame war:

Although 2007-04-11 11:41:49 AM mathmatix's post of a picture as evidence of the conspiracy is refreshing!

We have not had a chance to COMPLETELY DEBUNK that picture in at least a year.
2007-04-11 01:17:59 PM  
Matt Taibbi wrote an amusing satirical blurb in Rolling Stone about what he imagined the 9/11 planning session looked like...

BUSH: So, what's the plan again?

CHENEY: Well, we need to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. So what we've decided to do is crash a whole bunch of remote-controlled planes into Wall Street and the Pentagon, say they're real hijacked commercial planes, and blame it on the towelheads; then we'll just blow up the buildings ourselves to make sure they actually fall down.

RUMSFELD: Right! And we'll make sure that some of the hijackers are agents of Saddam Hussein! That way we'll have no problem getting the public to buy the invasion.

CHENEY: No, Dick, we won't.

RUMSFELD: We won't?

CHENEY: No, that's too obvious. We'll make the hijackers Al Qaeda and then just imply a connection to Iraq.

RUMSFELD: But if we're just making up the whole thing, why not just put Saddam's fingerprints on the attack?

CHENEY: (sighing) It just has to be this way, Dick. Ups the ante, as it were. This way, we're not insulated if things go wrong in Iraq. Gives us incentive to get the invasion right the first time around.

BUSH: I'm a total idiot who can barely read, so I'll buy that. But I've got a question. Why do we need to crash planes into the Towers at all? Since everyone knows terrorists already tried to blow up that building complex from the ground up once, why don't we just blow it up like we plan to anyway, and blame the bombs on the terrorists?

RUMSFELD: Mr. President, you don't understand. It's much better to sneak into the buildings ourselves in the days before the attacks, plant the bombs and then make it look like it was exploding planes that brought the buildings down. That way, we involve more people in the plot, stand a much greater chance of being exposed and needlessly complicate everything!

CHENEY: Of course, just toppling the Twin Towers will never be enough. No one would give us the war mandate we need if we just blow up the Towers. Clearly, we also need to shoot a missile at a small corner of the Pentagon to create a mightily underpublicized additional symbol of international terrorism -- and then, obviously, we need to fake a plane crash in the middle of farking nowhere in rural Pennsylvania.

RUMSFELD: Yeah, it goes without saying that the level of public outrage will not be sufficient without that crash in the middle of farking nowhere.

CHENEY: And the Pentagon crash -- we'll have to do it in broad daylight and say it was a plane, even though it'll really be a cruise missile.

BUSH: Wait, why do we have to use a missile?

CHENEY: Because it's much easier to shoot a missile and say it was a plane. It's not easy to steer a real passenger plane into the Pentagon. Planes are hard to come by.

BUSH: But aren't we using two planes for the Twin Towers?

CHENEY: Mr. President, you're missing the point. With the Pentagon, we use a missile, and say it was a plane.

BUSH: Right, but I'm saying, why don't we just use a plane and say it was a plane? We'll be doing that with the Twin Towers, right?

CHENEY: Right, but in this case, we use a missile. (Throws hands up in frustration) Don, can you help me out here?

RUMSFELD: Mr. President, in Washington, we use a missile because it's sneakier that way. Using an actual plane would be too obvious, even though we'll be doing just that in New York.


RUMSFELD: The other good thing about saying that it was a passenger jet is that that way, we have to invent a few hundred fictional victims and account for a nonexistent missing crew and plane. It's always better when you leave more cover story to invent, more legwork to do and more possible holes to investigate. Doubt, legwork and possible exposure -- you can't pull off any good conspiracy without them.

BUSH: You guys are brilliant! Because if there's one thing about Americans -- they won't let a president go to war without a damn good reason. How could we ever get the media, the corporate world and our military to endorse an invasion of a secular Iraqi state unless we faked an attack against New York at the hands of a bunch of Saudi religious radicals? Why, they'd never buy it. Look at how hard it was to get us into Vietnam, Iraq the last time, Kosovo?

CHENEY: Like pulling teeth!

RUMSFELD: Well, I'm sold on the idea. Let's call the Joint Chiefs, the FAA, the New York and Washington, D.C., fire departments, Rudy Giuliani, all three networks, the families of a thousand fictional airline victims, MI5, the FBI, FEMA, the NYPD, Larry Eagleburger, Osama bin Laden, Noam Chomsky and the fifty thousand other people we'll need to pull this off. There isn't a moment to lose!

BUSH: Don't forget to call all of those Wall Street hotshots who donated $100 million to our last campaign. They'll be thrilled to know that we'll be targeting them for execution as part of our thousand-tentacled modern-day bonehead Reichstag scheme! After all, if we're going to make martyrs -- why not make them out of our campaign paymasters? shiat, didn't the Merrill Lynch guys say they needed a refurbishing in their New York offices?

RUMSFELD: Oh, they'll get a refurbishing, all right. Just in time for the "Big Wedding"!

ALL THREE: (cackling) Mwah-hah-hah!
2007-04-11 01:18:14 PM  
Yeah, building 7 fell because of.. uh.. FIRE!! yeah thats it!!

and 25-30 percent structural damage to it from the towers dropping debris on it
2007-04-11 01:18:26 PM  
Listen, Sonny Jim, it's a known fact there's a society of the five wealthiest people in the world, called the Pentaverate, who run everything and meet three times a year at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as "The Meadows."

They farkin' own the papers, smartass. And everything else. Why do you think Scotland's not been able to get independence? Because the Queen the Pentavirate and those English dome heads in West Minster won't have it.

Aye, The Queen, the Rothchilds, the Gettys, the Vatican, and Colonel Sanders before he went tits up. Oh, I hated the Colonel with his wee beady eyes. And that smug look on his face.

Because the Colonel puts an addictive chemical in it that makes you crave it fortnightly. Smartarse!

/wouldn't it have to be one hell of a big duck?
2007-04-11 01:18:32 PM  
Its Boy George!

Thats a man I would not want to fight!

Shes the kinda ho that wears underwear with dick holes cut outta them

/playah hatah!
2007-04-11 01:18:32 PM  
BackAssward: the lander would shift it's center of gravity

*the buggy

2007-04-11 01:18:55 PM  
I saw "Loose Change" and though I'm not buying that detonation shiat, they brought good points about the Pentagon & Pennsylvania crash sites.
2007-04-11 01:19:16 PM  
2007-04-11 01:14:08 PM milk_plus

The people who were part of this "inside job" couldn't coordinated microwaving easy Mac much less one the greatest terrorist attacks in history. Their greatest defense is their own incompetence.

But, 19 dunderheads who couldn't pass a flight class WERE able to pull it off, huh?
2007-04-11 01:19:19 PM  
Funny how people respond to the suggestion that anything might not be exactly what the media says it is." No it's not true!! The people on TV said so!!"
2007-04-11 01:19:28 PM  
elchip: Yeah, but that's not what we're arguing about.

pardon me for interrupting the 18th million thread about explosives, thermite and melting points of steel...
2007-04-11 01:19:46 PM  
Headso: it depends on how the government reacts to the situation, the challenger explosion had tons of conspiracy theories linked to it because it was handled in a seemingly sketchy manner when Columbia broke up they were very upfront about what happened and people were pretty accepting of the story...

It's an emotional response to paranoia. It's like saying someone must be guilty because people think they are acting like they are guilty.
2007-04-11 01:19:54 PM  
I saw "Loose Change" and though I'm not buying that detonation shiat, they brought good points about the Pentagon & Pennsylvania crash sites.

Such as
2007-04-11 01:19:56 PM  

Apparently you have a strong opinion on the subject matter yourself... mr pot.
2007-04-11 01:20:10 PM  
I don't believe it's an inside job, but I do believe we weren't told everything, possibly to ensure our confidence in the government. Was it JUST 2 planes that hit the towers? If the terrorists on board had managed to sneak in explosives or otherwise highly flammable substances into the cargo bay, that would help explain things. But if it were revealed that that were the case, then airports would have been in even MORE dire straits regarding safety. And the "private plane" that hit the Pentagon that no one seemed to see and of which there is no debris left? How terrified would the populace be if they found out that terrorists had highjacked a nearby cruise-missile launcher (doesn't the Washington D.C. area have a TON of missile defense silos?). So instead of telling the people that security had failed miserably at a MISSILE SILO and they were able to launch one at our OWN DEFENSE CENTER, they told us a private plane hit it. Still as tragic, much less scary, and a lot more saved face.

The government isn't competent enough to have pulled it off itself, but if there's on thing they're good at, it's witholding information.
2007-04-11 01:20:48 PM  
"I believe virtually everything I read, and I think that is what makes me more of a selective human, than someone who doesn't believe anything."
2007-04-11 01:20:48 PM  

What saddens me is that there are an unknown number of poor uneducated people listening to her and thinking she actually makes sense, tells the truth, etc...

To be fair you DO listen to geraldo Rivera...

/just sayin
//As a scientist I was willing to cover myself in chocolate and throw myself to the lesbians to see what would actually happen, but then I heard Rosie was a lesbian and I got skeered
2007-04-11 01:21:03 PM  

Yeah, building 7 fell because of.. uh.. FIRE!! yeah thats it!!

and 25-30 percent structural damage to it from the towers dropping debris on it

Ummmmmm....I never said that.
2007-04-11 01:21:14 PM  
"Burn her anyway!"
2007-04-11 01:21:30 PM  
Conspiracy theories exist for the same reasons that belief in God exists. People can't believe that the world is filled with random shiat that goes down for no good reason. It's much easier to believe that someone is behind the scenes pulling all the levers.

Or maybe, that's just what I want you to believe! Mwha-ha-ha!
2007-04-11 01:21:54 PM  
"moonbat, idiot, crazy, loony, nutjobs, wingnuts..."

This is what passes for reasoned dialog in these United States.
2007-04-11 01:22:10 PM  
Question is not whether it was an inside job. Question is; inside of what?

Inside of airplanes, for starters. And inside of the biosphere too.
2007-04-11 01:22:18 PM  
MIHOP, LIHOP, who cares. What's clear is that it's the best thing that could have happened for Bush Cheney, who have done their mind boggling damage in the name of 9/11 with almost no check or balance. Yay 9/11! Go Bush Cheney Nazi state America!!
2007-04-11 01:22:27 PM  
there is no doubt that 9-11 was allowed to happen by the Bush government under advisement of Karl Rove.

but all the administration did was stand back and watch. there was no military/cia involvement. no one planted explosives or did anything to assist the hijackers. there were no remote controlled planes, no military jets used. this was just a "let the hijackers fulfill their mission" sequence of events.

the bush administration knew this attack was going to happen, knew when it would happen, and acted in a manner that would provide a smoke screen for their years in office to allow them unprecedented levels of control over the american people and allow them to bypass the constitution.
2007-04-11 01:22:29 PM  
LordThing: I like the statement that fire can't melt metal. do you think they form steel or other metals, with magic laser beams?

Lumping valid questions in with the statements of nutjobs then dismissing them as a whole is a logical fallacy... forgot which one by name but you know it's a douchbag thing to do.

/Not into the WTC as a conspiracy one way or the other.
//Just like to point out to logically fallacious duchebags that they are exactly that.
2007-04-11 01:22:41 PM  
seanmur: Yeah, building 7 fell because of.. uh.. FIRE!! yeah thats it!!

There was a bit more going on besides fire...

And no, those fires weren't small and localized...

That's not dust from other towers, as you can see here:

And no, the building didn't neatly fold up into its own footprint...

But yes, the collapse of WTC7 still did look unnatural. Unfortunately, that one aspect doesn't mean it was a controlled demolition.

Here is smoke clearly pouring out of WTC7.

But don't take my word for it. Listen to the firemen:
They told us to get out of there because they were worried about 7 World Trade Center, which is right behind it, coming down. We were up on the upper floors of the Verizon building looking at it. You could just see the whole bottom corner of the building was gone. We could look right out over to where the Trade Centers were because we were that high up. Looking over the smaller buildings. I just remember it was tremendous, tremendous fires going on. Finally they pulled us out. They said all right, get out of that building because that 7, they were really worried about. They pulled us out of there and then they regrouped everybody on Vesey Street, between the water and West Street. They put everybody back in there. Finally it did come down. From there - this is much later on in the day, because every day we were so worried about that building we didn't really want to get people close. They were trying to limit the amount of people that were in there. Finally it did come down.
-Richard Banaciski

The most important operational decision to be made that afternoon was the collapse (Of the WTC towers) had damaged 7 World Trade Center, which is about a 50 story building, at Vesey between West Broadway and Washington Street. It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we [wouldn't] lose any more people. We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour and a half after that order was [given], at 5:30 in the afternoon, World Trade Center collapsed completely.
-Daniel Nigro

Early on, there was concern that 7 World Trade Center might have been both impacted by the collapsing tower and had several fires in it and there was a concern that it might collapse. So we instructed that a collapse area be set up and maintained so that when the expected collapse of 7 happened, we wouldn't have people working in it. There was considerable discussion with Con Ed regarding the substation in that building and the feeders and the oil coolants and so on. And their concern was of the type of fire we might have when it collapsed.
-Frank Cruthers

Then we found out, I guess around 3:00 [o'clock], that they thought 7 was going to collapse. So, of course, [we've] got guys all in this pile over here and the main concern was get everybody out, and I guess it took us over an hour and a half, two hours to get everybody out of there. Oh, yes. We had Maydays like crazy.... The heat must have been tremendous. There was so much farking fire there. This whole pile was burning like crazy. Just the heat and the smoke from all the other buildings on fire, you [couldn't] see anything. So it took us a while and we ended up backing everybody out, and [that's] when 7 collapsed.... Basically, we fell back for 7 to collapse, and then we waited a while and it got a lot more organized, I would guess.
-William Ryan

A little north of Vesey I said, we'll go down, let's see what's going on. A couple of the other officers and I were going to see what was going on. We were told to go to Greenwich and Vesey and see what's going on. So we go there and on the north and east side of 7 it didn't look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn't look good.


So we gathered up rollups and most of us had masks at that time. We headed toward 7. And just around we were about a hundred yards away and Butch Brandies came running up. He said forget it, nobody's going into 7, there's creaking, there are noises coming out of there, so we just stopped. And probably about 10 minutes after that, Visconti, he was on West Street, and I guess he had another report of further damage either in some basements and things like that, so Visconti said nobody goes into 7, so that was the final thing and that was abandoned.
-Chris Boyle

Yeah. There was enough there and we were marking off. There were a lot of damaged apparatus there that were covered. We tried to get searches in those areas. By now, this is going on into the afternoon, and we were concerned about additional collapse, not only of the Marriott, because there was a good portion of the Marriott still standing, but also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o'clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o'clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.


No, not right away, and that's probably why it stood for so long because it took a while for that fire to develop. It was a heavy body of fire in there and then we didn't make any attempt to fight it. That was just one of those wars we were just going to lose. We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety.
-Peter Hayden
I guess the NWO/Zionist/World Bank overlords got to them too.
2007-04-11 01:22:51 PM  
I think PETA and Greenpeace need to team up on this one and just roll her back into the water.
2007-04-11 01:22:58 PM  

C) Popular Mechanics knocked all this BS down with a very well written debunking of all these "theories" as to what may have happen, take the 15 minutes to check it out and avoid repeating repeatedly debunked information.

Yes, let other people think for you. Believe what you read. BELIEVE WHAT YOU READ!

Anywho... I don't know about 9/11... but the Pentagon, there are some serious lies going on about that. So much math and science has been used to study the attack, and it's simply not plausible to say that a plane achieved the wreckage that occured.
2007-04-11 01:22:58 PM  
I have determined that human beings will believe just about anything - especially if it's introduced under duress.

Getting them to *stop* believing it once they do, is next to impossible.

The people who dig in their heels and steadfastly repeat the Bush Administration's own conspiracy theory aren't stupid - they're merely human.

/911 Mysteries Part 1: The Demolitions ... good viewing
2007-04-11 01:23:01 PM  
Something tells me that if this had happened while a democrat was in office there would be no 9/11 conspiracy theory. farking retards.
2007-04-11 01:23:21 PM  
My first green light in two years of trying... and it has to be about an ignorant fatheaded nut job.

2007-04-11 01:23:27 PM  
Hang On Voltaire

The wreckege. Or lack of.
But I'm not claiming OMZG, Bush did it to hide gold!!!
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