sentient_being

You have to look at those people as an OPPORTUNITY! They offer you a chance to make up all manner of disturbing reasons for not partaking. Tell them you're prone to seizures. Later when they're all farked up you can freak them out by flopping around on the floor with whip cream hanging out of your mouth.

/good times.

Blink: So here's my stance: If you use pot as reward to something you've obtained through hard work and effort, then it's completely healthy. But if you use it at the end of a day for nothing more than a cheap thrill, you're a loser. Sadly, most pot users are losers.

So is that a reason to keep it illegal?

Pot turns you into a dickhead? Ummm... Okay, that makes as much sense as the ads the US government used to employ which said weed will make you go crazy.

See, this is why these ad campaigns never work. If the government wants to succeed in the war against drug abuse, all it has to do is be honest about the dangers of abusing various substances, and let people decide what they're going to do on their own.

But of course, honesty was never really a strong suit for politicians, was it? It's just so much easier to be "tough" on drugs than smart.

Mr.Churka:
If you're going to troll, could you at least have some subtlety, some finesse? This is just crass and it's boring to watch. You're describing the craziest and most extreme point of existentialism. That has nothing to do with liberalism. Mill is closer than Sartre on that so do some reading and come back when you're old enough to play.

I was going to be an existentialist but I never understood what the point was. Anyway Mill would say that since child molestation harms others, the state or individuals would be justified in restricting people's ability to do it. Incidentally, I imagine he'd also say the same thing about second-hand smoke for example (had he known about it).

Quantum Apostrophe:
No Such Agency: I always take personal philosophy pointers from people who can't tell its from it's.

Thanks for noticing

Readmorenow

Anyone else ever notice that guys like smoking pot much more than girls and that guys often quit once they get into a serious relationship with a woman?

Nope. The only hard core stoners I know are girls. Of the guys I know who smoke, one has tried to quit twice, but the woman he lives with, his fiancée, has no interest in quitting.

toonz

Gotta love the "I believe everything the gub'mint tells me so YOU'RE a loser" crowd.

it's what seperates the men from the boys in my opinion.

people who buy into blatant propaganda, of any sort, are mentally little more than children.

I think something else some of these anti-pot rubes in this thread fail to understand is, these "losers" they see, that can't handle Pot without it ruining their lives can't handle ANY substance without it ruining their lives. Pot, Alcohol, other drugs, gambling, McDonalds, Cheese puffs, you name it, these "losers" would have some other vice that causes just as much damage as pot does to them.

In short, it's not the
Drug's fault folks,
It's the people.

No need for you scared little sheep to turn the whole nation into a nanny state because you won't take responsibility for your own actions, and thus, don't allow anyone else to take responsibility for themselves.

I dated a girl who smoked pot once. She kept pestering me to smoke with her, but I'm not into that. After she smoked my pole instead I said, "you have cab money, right?" True story.

See, here is an example of a loser who doesn't smoke pot, Chester.

Readmorenow: Anyone else ever notice that guys like smoking pot much more than girls and that guys often quit once they get into a serious relationship with a woman?

Um... no, actually, that's completely untrue in my experience.

My buddy the late Fat Lou sold weed to judges and lawyers and doctors. All losers, evidently.

Those who claim not to be a troll are like those chicks who say they are not into head games.

This is the best commercial I've ever seen. And I hate advertising.

/If you don't like my fire, then don't come around
//'Cause I'm gonna burn one down.

Readmorenow

Anyone else ever notice that guys like smoking pot much more than girls and that guys often quit once they get into a serious relationship with a woman?

I believe you are thinking of Televisionandmovies.

WolfinPHX: This is the best commercial I've ever seen.

Hah! I'd forgotten about that one. Thanks!

Its pretty simple. If you are a dickhead to begin with, pot will not cure you of it. Most people who are losers on drugs aren't losers because of the drugs, they were losers to begin with who decided they'd rather blame drugs than deal with their own shiat.

Most people I've met who have never smoked pot are total arseholes whom I wouldn't be caught dead hanging out with.

Pot does not make smart people stupid. In fact, pot can help to balance people with a little too much brainpower and a little too little visceral energy. It certainly helped me in that respect. Pot does keep stupid people stupid, but thats only because they become stupid users. I'm sick of people blaming drugs when they should be pointing the finger right at themselves.

All of you who think that pot lends some disadvantage are dumbarse tweakers who should be lined up, shot, and buried in an unmarked grave.

The only thing wrong with pot is that its illegal, and whose fault is that?? (Answer: You!!)

Read the Hindu Vedas and then tell me again how awful it is. For those of you too freaking ignorant to understand the significance, soma=cannabis.

madcow11

I LOL'd. Good jorb.

JohnnyCanuck

Those who claim not to be a troll are like those chicks who say they are not into head games.

I'm fine with that as long as its the right head.

madcow11

I'm not saying they are the majority, either. I'm saying their numbers per capita are probably about the same as any other class of people. For instance, let's say you gave me a criteria for what makes a loser. I go gather 100 of 'em up for ya. We also set criteria for successful people and round up 100 of them, as well. I'll bet something in the area of one in four or five of BOTH classes smoke pot.

That would be your hypothesis, mine would be that a lower percentage of successful people would smoke pot. I am basing this on the fact that people that are more educated do less drugs than people with a low education do. But you are right to say that the term "loser" is subjective. We would have to set the criteria. I'm merely using it as a pejorative, because, personally, I think pot is a stupid past time.

Readmorenow: Anyone else ever notice that guys like smoking pot much more than girls and that guys often quit once they get into a serious relationship with a woman?

Guys' personalities tend to rely more on being in our own little world during social situations, "maintaining" our sense of detachment and superiority. Zoning out is an actual pleasurable activity, a desirable state of mind. Women, on the other hand, tend to thrive off of social cues--emotion, body language, subtleties in speech, etc. Being zonked tends to appeal to them less and less in life, as they reaqlize that being stoned mutes the very senses that give them true satisfaction (and popularity). Of course, both sexes seem to spend their college years drinking/drugging to oblivion during their college years. Performance anxiety, I would guess.

Anyway, there's my 10 cent analysis.

/no, I'm not high right now

well one thing has been proven here:

most people = dickheads
most people on pot = mellow dickheads
most people drunk = stupid dickheads
most people on coke = hyper dickheads
most people on meth = toothless

Coming from a country with sort-of-legalized-pot-and-therefore-less-drug-problems, I always find it amazing what misconceptions many Americans have about pot

/Dutch

using the word cannabis over and over again makes you a dick head.

2007-04-10 09:53:34 AM Chester Fields

Keep pulling bogus statistics out of your ass. Maybe you can be the next "DRUG CZAR".....

Czar or Tzar and sometimes Csar or Zar in English, is a Slavonic term designating certain monarchs.

/You know Hitler made teh gheys wear little pieces of flair......

madcow11

I dated a girl who smoked pot once. She kept pestering me to smoke with her, but I'm not into that. After she smoked my pole instead I said, "you have cab money, right?" True story.

See, here is an example of a loser who doesn't smoke pot, Chester.

Straw man.

Blink: Problem with Pot:

It's a free, undeserved high.

Yeah. I know you're thinking: So what's the problem? When you receive reward for accomplishing nothing, it cheapens life.

Problem with Blink: He's obviously never smoked pot.

Pot's like pepper on experience, it heightens it, makes you appreciate it more. But Blink would not know that, because like so many others, he professes to know about things he's never experienced.

"Huh-huh, that is some funny shiat!"

ncrypt

"If you're a Buddhist like me, you'll understand why people like to expand their minds. I know it's against Buddhist teachings to intoxicate one's self but pot's what got me THINKING in the first place.

/enlightenment rocks"


You're an idiot....Somehow I don't think an explanation is necessary...but I'll offer a brief one, anyway..
1.)Buddhists do not go around pronouncing that they're buddhist.
2.)A buddhist would use meditation to open and expand their mind and get thinking.
3.)You're so far from enlightenment that you think reaching Nirvana means you're going to a farking concert.

i like the reefer pots, good stuff, i know alot of people in professional positions who like to indulge as well. for some its just a social activity, but i like it for the motivation as it helps make doing alot of crap (work) fun.

pot makes me a dickhead when i run out, sometimes the boss sends me home for a little while with something special to burn until i get my attitude adjusted. she likes to keep me happy cause i make her lots of moneys :D

not that my two cents matters.. but its a personal choice and we all are free willed and can do as we like, the folks who oppress that need to lay off and open their minds to gain a better understanding of the subject at hand, nothing gets solved by attacking such things.. even declaring a war against it.

now for all you who will say something like "so your saying lets allow rapist to run rampant because its their free will to do as they please and destroy as many lives as possible?" ...NO thats not cool, when a human commits an act of violence against another human, they should be removed from the population immediatly and kept somewhere where they can not hurt anyone, either that or kill them, but im not going to go into how that should be decided.

if someone smokes pot they only hurt themselves, if they do it around their children they should be punished, if they sell it to make a profit they should be punished, as long as no harm is being done on another individual then what is the problem? same goes for crack, heroin, meth and so on.. if the person using has not educated themselves on it then they were destined to die soon anyhow, and good riddance.

growing your own for personal use should be legal, maybe making growers have to buy a license and registering with the gov promising not to sell etc.. i damn sure would buy one and keep my household supplied rather than funnel money into who-knows pockets, but we do what we have to do and it makes us criminals in the eyes of most, it is hard to have hope for a better world when those in power are too consumed by greed and whatnot to step outside and see the world through everyone elses eyes.

afxjzs: and a lot of people are lazy, do-nothing losers despite smoking pot, not because of it.

Fair enough.

Ads like this empower self righteous pricks to opine condescendingly about people who should be perfectly free to enjoy a little herb when they like. If the government weren't interfering people could grow their own and not have to spend any money on it.

organizized

....Zoning out is an actual pleasurable activity, a desirable state of mind...

I used to smoke teh weeds, and this is certainly a pleasurable activity when my wife is talking to me.

O....and legalize pot!

tothekor: I've seen the effects of pot first hand. It's not at all pretty. Those who smoke or consume any substance to get high are true losers. They lack the self esteem to maintain their very existence.

Not a troll, just stating facts.

I'm calling you out right here. Regardless of either of our opinions about marijuana, one cannot state that they are "not a troll, just stating facts" when your post provides absolutely no facts whatsoever.

Learn to provide a decent argument before weighing in on a discussion. Chester Fields, you could do to learn from this lesson, as well.

Ok, NOW I'll weigh in on this debate. I grew up thinking all drugs are bad, I was the poster-child for D.A.R.E. Hell, I didn't even drink until I was nearly 22.

My girlfriend used to smoke daily. I didn't like her doing that, so when I was around, she didn't smoke, to save me from the smoke and smell, as well as the quiet, motionless way she'd sit there and look at me when she was high.

But, just because I asked her to cut back her frequency, doesn't mean that I wasn't going to try it. I'm very much the person who will avoid being a hypocrite, so I wasn't going to preach to her when I hadn't ever even tried it. I found that I like getting high with her, watching a movie or playing a game, I just didn't like being sober when she was high.

So now, I do enjoy smoking every once in a rare while. I drink more than I smoke (and both occurrences are on the order of once or twice a month). She's been clean now for 3 weeks, after deciding that her coworker (who she'd smoke with) was pushing her to using and selling coke (she's quit that job, as well).

We are both successful people, her a student, myself an IT specialist. We were no worse a person for smoking, nor are we better a person for quitting.

/BTW, I've done worse things drunk than I would've imagined when I smoked.
//Somebody design a breathalyzer for THC. It doesn't need to be accurate, just look at the one they use for alcohol. But if police have that available in their squad cars, I think we'd be one step closer to legalizing marijuana.
///Another thing to think about: compare the prohibition era violence and crime to what happened when marijuana was illegalized. Then tell me who are the dickheads.
/⁴ Drunk dickhead, calmed stoner, myself.

Chester Fields :I think pot is a stupid past time.

Quit arguing with opinions. Even potheads understand presenting FACTS in debates. Something I have yet to see any Anti-pot sheep on this thread come up with.

People accross the spectrum smoke pot. Smart and dumb people alike. Pot is not chemically addictive (like heroine, cocaine, nicotine, etc...), and is far less damaging socially than alcohol. If they really wanted to make a difference, they'd make the same ads, but using alcohol.

Watch the movie Grass. These commercials are aimed at lowering pot use to show that the department in charge is doing a good job, nothing more. After a hard day at work, I will smoke a joint like others drink a brandy. No hangovers, no fights at the bar, no driving with one hand over one eye, no etc... It's ridiculous IMO... it should be legal and taxed. You would take it out of the hands of thugs on the streets, free up huge amounts of money in enforcement, and free up large amounts of space in prisons for pot related "crimes" that destory families. Beyond stupid...

No Such Agency

Just to make everything absolutely clear here.

Your tacit approval of the statement on liberalism leads me to believe that you acknowledge that liberalism leans closer to Mill in that it is not a doctrine of swine. Child Molestation (capitalized for heinousity) is not okay. Furthermore, Mill would indeed argue against smoking in public. Bear in mind that for Mill the hedonistic way of utilitarianism focuses on the full spectrum of pleasures. Mill would encourage smoking pot unless the subject could not control his desire to smoke to the exclusion of higher pleasures. Mill is right up the "responsible" stoner's alley.

Holy shiat! I'm glad I'm not a teenager anymore, otherwise I might second guess myself about smoking pot! Good God, I'm glad this propaganda shiatstorm missed me by 2 years!

Seriously, though. I smoke regularly. After work. I never get high before or during work. If you can adhere to that basic rule, you've really got nothing to worry about. So what if I like to unwind at the end of the day with a hit or two and a good book or watch some Scrubs? That makes me a loser? I guess so. Apparently in the eyes of the High and Mighty, there is no difference between working hard and enjoying a few tokes at the end of the day and lounging about with no job, no car, no responsibilities and coasting along on Mommy and Daddy's buck while you get stoned with the freshmen kids down the street.

It all makes sense now.

/there will NEVER be an Anti-Pot propaganda that will make me stop smoking
//Because I already know everything they show on those commercials to be false in my life
///The End.

costermonger

There's a massive difference between sharing a joint with your buddies every once in a while and smoking three bowls a day.

I smoke more then that and I wouldn't consider myself a loser or a dickhead. A little abnormal and an asshole sometimes, but I was like that before I started smoking. And I started smoking at 21, 2 years into a 3 year college course, so I have a pretty clear understanding of the effects as an adult who use to be absolutely against all drugs. Point being that just because you smoke every day still doesn't make you a different person.

//I smoke for recreation and medication
///Crohn's is a biatch...

You're an idiot....Somehow I don't think an explanation is necessary...but I'll offer a brief one, anyway..
1.)Buddhists do not go around pronouncing that they're buddhist.
2.)A buddhist would use meditation to open and expand their mind and get thinking.
3.)You're so far from enlightenment that you think reaching Nirvana means you're going to a farking concert.

And furthermore, Buddhists follow a great deal of Vedic scripture. Which tells you to smoke pot. Why the fark do you think we call it buddha???

Many Buddhists smoke pot. They don't drink, because its toxic. They don't consider pot toxic. Imagine that, one more idiot...

Whoah....the trolls here are like...HUGE, man!

Chester Fields
"I am basing this on the fact that people that are more educated do less drugs than people with a low education do. ... I think pot is a stupid past time"

Now I know you don't know what you're talking about. Of the math, physics and chemisty doctors I was friends with in high school, all of them experimented with drugs. some of them still partake recreationally. Either my experience is a strange exception to your "fact," or you reason like my mom.

/hi mom!

Readmorenow

Anyone else ever notice that guys like smoking pot much more than girls and that guys often quit once they get into a serious relationship with a woman?

Depends on the girl. A lot of women don't like pot for the same reason they don't like masturbation / porn or video games - they don't like the idea that their guy can be perfectly content and happy without them...they feel threatened by it.

There is also that whole provider thing...women are sold on (and somewhat rightfully so) that a drug user isn't a good provider. Someone who is regularly doing something illegal that could cause them to lose their job or go to jail is not as stable as one who isn't...not to mention that smoking pot (or drinking, etc) is one of the most obvious things to work on.

Then finally there is the whole daddy issue thing. Many women are able to quit their bad habits when they have kids (pregnancy...) but men don't quite have the same incentive. So, a girl with daddy issues is more likely to have a dad who had addiction problems (spec. alcoholism) and since a lot of alcoholics smoke pot, they will relate that to the alcoholism.

I dunno though, just speculation. I've known quite a few women who smoked, but generally men (maybe it's an impulsive thing?) smoke regularly. Maybe it's just more accepted for guys...and girls are more worried about social status or being treated as 'just a pothead' by other girls?

And no, I'm not against pot use. I think it's fine in moderation and the only problem with it is that it's illegal (and my gf hates it - illegal or not). I actually think it's one of those things that everyone should try at least once or twice in their life and that anyone who hasn't is missing out.

Everyone has their vice, or guilty indulgence of choice. Whether they make it an addiction or problem is up to them. The whole argument about "Getting high to have fun" is kind of weak because its all relative. You can get high from many things. Example - runners high. Yes, its healthier in general but you can have just as many problems if you are running too much.

Everyone has something that does it, just most people do it in moderation so whether its double cheeseburgers, poker, pot, running, working out, sex, chocolate, coffee, porn, or whatever you have something that if not done in moderation can hurt. Don't give me this crap that pot is evil. Crack is evil.

I've got no idea whether or not he's ever smoked pot, but I have, and he's got it exactly right. I agree with your pepper simile, but that's kind of based on the assumption that your definition of "experience" isn't sitting on the couch watching TV or playing video games seven nights a week.

Actually I was speaking more about the things I actually do. Like working 40 hours a week, taking care of a family, paying taxes.... Sorry if you're so entrenched in pessimism that you believe most people don't keep the world turning. Maybe someday you'll go out and join it.

wellfarkme: Buddhists do not go around pronouncing that they're buddhist.

eh, some do