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(Boston Globe)   Bitter battle begins between Splenda and Equal, who wants $176M of Splenda's money because they advertised too well. Your coffee wants stevia   (boston.com) divider line 203
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2007-04-09 07:49:31 PM  
Whatever happened to good, old saccharin tablets.

They fed rats the equivalent of 50 gallon drums worth of saccharin, and the rats got cancer in an organ humans don't have. So for many years anything using saccharin had to have nasty cancer warnings all over it, and that pretty much tanked the market share. That said, although it's less common it's not at all hard to find saccharin. Look for sweet and low. Also, if the following googled link leads to the form of tablet what you're talking about, then you lose the internet.

http://www.amazon.com/pack-grain-500-saccharin-tablets/dp/B0001GZ6H0
 
2007-04-09 07:50:57 PM  
Agnosto: dreaddydave: bad news for aspartame users

I am sorry, but I NEVER take advice from a web site that appears to have been designed by a 12 year old in 1995.


Methanol and formaldehyde

Approximately 10% of aspartame (by mass) is broken down into methanol in the small intestine. Most of the methanol is absorbed and quickly converted into formaldehyde.

mmmm formaldehyde
 
2007-04-09 07:51:22 PM  
XYLITOL
 
2007-04-09 07:51:51 PM  
2007-04-09 07:31:42 PM Jerslan
/Best Kool-Aid ever
//Can't find those tablets anywhere
///I've looked and looked and they're nowhere to be found
Look no more:
ec2.images-amazon.com
Here ya go - order online even.
 
2007-04-09 07:51:53 PM  
The average Couger can leap 15' straight up from a stand-still or 50' on a bounding run.

And still eats natural sugars.

Just eat real sugar people and feel better.

//Robot Chicken
 
2007-04-09 07:55:07 PM  
I like my coffee one of two ways: hot, black, and bitter like my past or cold, black, and bitter like my future!
 
2007-04-09 07:58:03 PM  
dreaddydave: bad news for aspartame users

Um, what does this site prove, except a slim part of the population gets a headache when drinking a diet soda.

Sounds like a lot of hoopla to me.
 
2007-04-09 08:00:38 PM  
I don't care how the court rules.

Splenda tastes good, and Equal tastes like fake sugar.

End of discussion.

/Stevia tastes like shiat scraped off old pennies. Eyuuuuccchh.
 
2007-04-09 08:04:06 PM  
Anomalocaris: I LOVE honey. I sweeten many of my drinks with it. We have a local guy who keeps bees. I could eat it right outta the little bee container it comes in.

I'm hesitant to ingest any type of processed stuff anymore. I'm willing to trust the FDA for about as far as I can sling a piano.

Ironically, I'll drink until I'm comatose, but put processed sugars, wheats, etc in front of me, and I find it abhorrent.
 
2007-04-09 08:05:22 PM  
Aspartame doesn't cause cancer -- only nonmalignant brain tumors, silly! and migraines. But not in everyone, so...

As for Splenda -- it actually is made with things that cause cancer, so you do the math.

Stevia -- delicious? no. Carcinogenic? no.
 
2007-04-09 08:06:54 PM  
FrankyZappa: You're my hero.
 
2007-04-09 08:07:03 PM  
Ah, FARK is the staging ground for many competing ideals. . .

Confederate vs. Union
Republican vs. Democrat
Sony vs. Nintendo
Beer vs. Beer
and now
Equal vs. Splenda

Gird your loins for battle.
 
2007-04-09 08:10:36 PM  
Both Splenda and Equal cause global warming.
 
2007-04-09 08:12:58 PM  
The best sweetner is cyclamates, which the sugar industry had banned.
 
2007-04-09 08:15:42 PM  
I like my coffee with sugar. Real sugar.

I don't eat potato chips or other highly processed snacks.

I'm ahead.
 
2007-04-09 08:17:37 PM  
If you like Dr Pepper and want it with cane sugar & HFCS, a bottler in Dublin, TX is the place to go. They offer Dr Pepper in cans or glass bottles.

Dublin Dr Pepper


Mexico still make Coca-Cola with cane sugar & still bottles it in glass bottles. Some Mexican grocery stores carry it & you can also order it at online pop shops. I've tried the bottled in Mexico Coke & I think it tastes like Coke used to taste in the U.S. back when they still used sugar instead of HFCS.
 
2007-04-09 08:20:36 PM  
falkensmaze

They use real sugar in Canadian Coke as well. I think it's only the States that has the artificially inflated sugar prices that induced the switch to HFCS.
 
2007-04-09 08:21:00 PM  
Rearden: Spenda taste great when used at home to make drinks like tea, lemonaid, coffee, etc. When used in moderation, too much and it taste like ass.
For some reason the diet coke with spenda taste like regular diet coke.. I can't figure out why. I can only assume its targetted at current diet coke drinkers who often think regular coke taste like ass.
 
2007-04-09 08:22:13 PM  
My wife fell for Splenda's b.s. about being from sugar, blah, blah, blah. I tried to tell her that Equal said the same thing when it came out 20 years earlier. She quit using Splenda when she realized it was giving her headaches just like Equal did.

/Sugar in the Raw FTW!
 
2007-04-09 08:22:51 PM  
So I'm reading this thread while listening to Pandora when all of a sudden, a Judas Priest song starts playing.

Goddamn but Judas Priest farking sucked.

Anyhow... I prefer Splenda over all other artificial sweeteners when it comes to taste, but I always feel funny using anything non-sugar (or honey) in the first place.

I only drink diet soda, and I try to buy the kinds made with Splenda (Pepsi One is good), but there are precious few of them so I often end up drinking aspartame-sweetened sodas. Which don't taste any worse to me, but in the back of my mind I'm like, "OMG AZPRTAME I'M GONNA DIE FROM FORMALDAHIDE LOL" the whole time.
 
2007-04-09 08:23:39 PM  
Oh and: begun the artical sugar wars have
 
2007-04-09 08:24:35 PM  
i like my coffee black just like my metal.
/sorry
//bored and dont wanna do homework
///one more for good measure
 
2007-04-09 08:25:32 PM  
I've tried many diet sodas and to me the ones that taste better and have less of that "diet" aftertaste have splenda - Pepsi one (my favorite), Diet RC, Diet Rite and flavored Diet rites, some diet 7up had splenda, some diet coke was made with splenda.
 
2007-04-09 08:26:11 PM  
Rearden - "Made from a chemical weapon and a volatile metal that explodes on contact with water, so it tastes like.....table salt."

That's a very good point. Maybe you can call up their lawyers, pitch a few more like that, and get some cash as a legal consultant.

/made from explosive hydrogen and flammable oxygen, so it tastes like nothing
 
2007-04-09 08:26:22 PM  
Jack31081: I've had cane sugar Coke and regular corn syrup Coke.

I like the latter better. Cane sugar Coke tastes like a less sweet Pepsi.


Heritic!! Stone him!! Cane sugar Coke or no Coke!
 
2007-04-09 08:28:23 PM  
I'm drinking a coffee right now with Stevia. Tastes fine to me.
 
2007-04-09 08:28:42 PM  
Stevia tastes like shiat scraped off old pennies.

I totally misinterpreted that. And not in a good way.
 
2007-04-09 08:29:01 PM  
You can sometimes find Coke made with sugar in the US in certain markets at Passover. Look for the yellow cap.
 
2007-04-09 08:29:43 PM  
I'd prefer to just use real sugar and honey in moderation, but I'm diabetic.

Splenda tastes better than any of the other sweeteners and you can cook with it.
 
2007-04-09 08:30:25 PM  
Sucrose inverts in soft drinks due to the low pH. This makes their composition nearly identical to those with HFCS (but not exactly, you CAN taste the difference). Soft drink manufacturers used to actually wait 2-3 weeks for the sucrose syrup to turn before using it, now they just use the HFCS right off the rail car.
 
2007-04-09 08:30:34 PM  
Also for those that like things like coke with pure cane sugar, I recently read that in areas with large jewish communities, many of them get coca cola that is kosher for passover, it's made with pure cane not hi fructose. Some store owners in the article said they got non jewish customers, who just like the taste of the cane sryup better than HIgh fructose. Maybe coke should come out with NEW ORIGINAL CLASSIC COKE!
 
2007-04-09 08:30:44 PM  
Horatio_Algernon: pft! My coffee takes a shot of milk.

Absolutely correct, sir! If you put sugar (or splenda or equal) in your coffee cup then you sure as fark ain't drinking coffee. If you need the sugar then just dump a couple of packets in your mouth, wash it down with hot water and leave the coffee pot full for those of us who enjoy the taste!

/Coffee: A legal drug addiction with free refills.
//My choice of weapon: Coffee and danishes at dawn.
///Drink your coffee, son. There are poor people sleeping all over the world.
////Four food groups: Coffee, Chocolate, Ice Cream, and Coffee.
 
2007-04-09 08:32:07 PM  
Mmmmm Splenda. "Tastes like sugar because it's made from sugar!"

It's sugar, with chlorine thrown on it. The sugar vanishes completely in the process... so you're left with chlorine.
 
2007-04-09 08:32:08 PM  
Anomalocaris


What, no one likes honey as a sugar substitute?

/mmm... honey


Honey contains botulinum spores and in large enough quantities to affect infants. Aspartame is a dipeptide which is another way of saying a very short protein or avery very small steake. After seeing the whack job site about aspartame I know you can find anything about anything but here's what the FDA has to say about honey intoxication. Enjoy your honey and your grayanotoxin. Here's some more bad news about honey from a fairly reliable source. Find out about honey and infant botulism from those whacko pediatricians at the Mayo Clinic.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/infant-botulism/HQ00854
 
2007-04-09 08:33:00 PM  
Just give me real sugar.
 
2007-04-09 08:33:39 PM  
Gump Stump

Thanks, I didn't know that. However, it's easier to find Mexican bottled Coke around here than Canadian. The neighborhood I live in has a fair number of Mexicans, there are a couple of small, privately run Mexican that carry mostly meats to prepare carne asada & carnitas, buckets of lard, masa, etc., but occasionally, they'll have Coca-Cola too. It's sort of a hit & miss thing. I wager that we have at least 8, possibly more, Mexican restaurants in less than a half-mile radius. Red Apple Market carries a wide variety of Mexican related items such as speciality meats, seasonings, beverages (except Mexican bottled Coke, plus tortilla warmers, presses, etc. Excluding Taco Bell, we have exactly 2 non-Mexican restaurants in the entire neighborhood. One Thai & one soul food place.
 
2007-04-09 08:40:22 PM  
Gump Stump

Sorry, that should have been "Mexican markets".
 
2007-04-09 08:43:23 PM  
I'm PKU. If I have aspartame, I get really really sick. I'm told drinking or eating it regularly could kill me.

/tastes like ass anyway
 
2007-04-09 08:43:29 PM  
I don't have any kids and even I know that you're not supposed to give honey to babies under a year old.

After you're not a baby anymore, that danger from honey goes away, so you're free to enjoy it.
 
2007-04-09 08:43:38 PM  
So recently, I've been getting Capri-Sun beverages with lunch at work. On the front of the package, it says "all natural." Of course, being the shrewd consumer I am, I look at the ingredient list, and lo-and-behold there it is high fructose corn syrup. And I think to myself, that's not natural. HFCS doesn't grow on corn stalks. It comes from a chemical factory. How dare they call it natural, when it clearly fits the definition of artificial. Then I go and drink it anyway.
 
2007-04-09 08:45:34 PM  
verchad

I've heard that too, but it's supposed to be available only around Passover. Unfortunately, our local Jewish Community is fairly small. However, as I said in a previous post, I can occasionally find bottled in Mexico Coke, which has cane sugar, not HFCS in it in my neighborhood as some of the tiny, privately owned Mexican stores.
 
2007-04-09 08:46:55 PM  
"Gump Stump
Thanks, I didn't know that. However, it's easier to find Mexican bottled Coke around here than Canadian. The neighborhood I live in has a fair number of Mexicans, there are a couple of small, privately run Mexican that carry mostly meats to prepare carne asada & carnitas, buckets of lard, masa, etc., but occasionally, they'll have Coca-Cola too. It's sort of a hit & miss thing. I wager that we have at least 8, possibly more, Mexican restaurants in less than a half-mile radius. Red Apple Market carries a wide variety of Mexican related items such as speciality meats, seasonings, beverages (except Mexican bottled Coke, plus tortilla warmers, presses, etc. Excluding Taco Bell, we have exactly 2 non-Mexican restaurants in the entire neighborhood. One Thai & one soul food place."

Just watch out for some of that stuff, there was a news story, http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=local&id=5137604 , some mexican grocery store outside of Chicago was being investigated because they sold some mexican cheese that contained our old friend Sal Monella.

"Health officials say that they believe it came from an unlicensed manufacturer who sold it to the store. They are still trying to confirm information about the manufacturer, but they believe it is a small homemade-type operation. The store put its own label on the cheese, ..."
 
2007-04-09 08:48:18 PM  
Yoyo:

Refined sugar comes from a factory, do you consider it natural?

Serious inquiry-I'm wondering where you draw the line.
 
2007-04-09 08:55:36 PM  
I eliminated almost all sugar from my diet, switched to Splenda for baking and cooking, and use products sweetened with Splenda or other sugar-free sweeteners (most often maltitol) and lost about 45 lbs.

/may the FSM bless the inventor of Splenda!!!!
 
2007-04-09 08:56:22 PM  
My coffee wants beans and water, and nothin' else.

Now get off my lawn.
 
2007-04-09 08:56:37 PM  
I f*cking hate aspartame...tastes like old tires.

/coffee: french-pressed and BLACK, like god intended.
//that is all.
 
2007-04-09 09:03:58 PM  
delicious:

Refined sugar comes from a factory, do you consider it natural?

Serious inquiry-I'm wondering where you draw the line.


Yes, refined sugar does come from a factory, but not a chemical factory. The refining process is mechanical. I've been to a sugar mill, and I understand every step of the process. Finally, sugar does not pretend to be some other type of sweetener, so it is not artificial.

I used butter instead of margarine on my toast and lard instead of Crisco in my pie crusts, because they're natural and they produce superior results than their imitators.
 
2007-04-09 09:12:06 PM  
MorePeasPlease

> Whatthefark: I like my coffee like I like my women,
> hot, dark and first thing in the morning.

I guess that beats black, bitter, and at room temperature.

Or ground up and in the freezer...
 
2007-04-09 09:16:58 PM  
Corn syrup is enzymatically modified, as is cheese and beer, etc. These products are all in a grey area that some consider natural. What do you condider cheese and beer?
 
2007-04-09 09:17:20 PM  
HalfPiper: I eliminated almost all sugar from my diet, switched to Splenda for baking and cooking, and use products sweetened with Splenda or other sugar-free sweeteners (most often maltitol) and lost about 45 lbs.

Pics?
 
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