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2007-04-08 08:25:46 PM
It says "Art loves Kayleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"

/It's a repeat
//DRTA
 
2007-04-08 08:25:58 PM
noahad:
One way to understand it however, is that in the urban commercialized visual world we inhabit, tagging is an effort to carve out a sort of personal 'brand', a way to reclaim one's individuality through the same visual saturation that corporations use to diminish it

One couldn't possibly reclaim one's own individuality by inventing a cure for some icky disease, become a reputable lawyer for just causes, an accomplished musician, a reliable plumber, a skilled car mechanic, a beloved teacher, a breeder of beautiful flowers, a sculptist, a famous whore....naaah, gotta befoul what others have worked for, yeah, that's the ticket.
 
2007-04-08 08:28:48 PM
Kar98

Not all people have opportunity. Some are born into squander

i17.tinypic.com
 
2007-04-08 08:29:23 PM
Squalor
 
2007-04-08 08:31:09 PM
Just because you dont like someones art you cannot call it NON art. Rap is music even if you dont like it.

Yes, I can, and no it's not.

art: the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination. Where's the skill and imagination in scribbling your initials or a gang tag on a clean wall?

music:
the art or science of combining vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion
the vocal or instrumental sound produced in this way
a sound perceived as pleasingly harmonious

See? Rap's not music. It might be a form expression, and I will even admit grudgingly that it might qualify as art as defined above. But music it is not.
 
2007-04-08 08:31:29 PM
enave

So, thelordofchees will be here all night arguing that it should be ok to do something that everybody agrees is ok.

Yes, yes he will. Remember that picture of the little girl yelling at the braying donkey?

/had a run-in with him before
//just sayin'
 
2007-04-08 08:33:39 PM
Basquiat was an artist.

Who just happened to be a graffiti guy who got a lucky break when Warhol took a liking to him. And he had almost no technical skill, whereas this guy does.
 
2007-04-08 08:34:06 PM
I think the "it's just vandalism" crowd isn't taking into account that these aren't just throw-ups or such. Works like what we see here take an immense (by comparison) amount of time and effort. These works rarely just get tossed up in a couple of hours. So usually the owners of such buildings being "vandalized" are usually quite well aware of what's happening. Mcaffolder makes a good points regarding the nature of the medium. This is much akin to Renaissance painters who were the graf artists of their day because they strayed from iconography and we now revere them as Old Masters because they broke convention.

Most of what people think of as "vandalism" is correct. It's usually ignorant gang affils, bomb tags, or other such idiocy that are thrown up (if you can really call it that) in a matter of seconds. So yes, those are trash and are basically "I Was Here" crapola that has no point. *THAT* is vandalism. TFA is art. Period. If you don't see this, there will be no way for it to be adequately described to you and that's fine. Not all people appreciate all forms of art. However, it is still art, it is still expression.
 
2007-04-08 08:34:40 PM
Some grafitti is really cool, and a lot of it takes real talent...however there's a time and place for art and painting up private and city property without permission isn't it.
 
2007-04-08 08:34:57 PM
gopher321

It says, "I have no respect for personal property whatsoever and despite my innate talent I'll probably wind up defacing shiat the rest of my ghetto life."

*****

My Corgi is teh awesome:

And yes, I am bitter. Not racist, pious, or elitist, but bitter. I have had my property vandalized with this type of stuff and I take it personally. Most of the people who do this don't fancy themselves as artists or visionaries.

*****

Stepqhen:

Procedural Texture

So how about I swing by after work and paint a giant phallus on the side of your house becuase I think it improves the looks of it.

Vandalism is Vandalism. I don't care how good you think you are, keep your crap off of walls that aren't yours.


*****


Well said my fellow farkers.
 
2007-04-08 08:36:31 PM
Kar98: Yes, I can, and no it's not.

No you cant.

Rap is Music


music:
the art or science of combining vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion
the vocal or instrumental sound produced in this way
a sound perceived as pleasingly harmonious


Your opinion is that it is not pleasingly harmonious. There are others that would disagree. If you choose to not like rap MUSIC thats fine, if you discount rap music as music at all it just makes you ignorant and stupid. But then again maybe you like that?

art: the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination. Where's the skill and imagination in scribbling your initials or a gang tag on a clean wall?

Is the link not sufficient proof to show that this art form takes skill and imagination. Im not talking about the scribbles in the corner dummy.
 
2007-04-08 08:36:58 PM
Mcaffolder

Im sorry that all you knew was punk ass wanksta wannabes. Real graffiti artists respect someones tag, and as a matter of principle don't snitch. But then again you probably weren't cool enough in high school to know people like that.

people.clarkson.edu

"Not cool enough? Well, sir, while I may not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death your right to say it!"
 
2007-04-08 08:38:01 PM
EmmaLou: Some grafitti is really cool, and a lot of it takes real talent...however there's a time and place for art and painting up private and city property without permission isn't it.

FTW!

/simple and correct
 
2007-04-08 08:38:27 PM
Mcaffolder

What you say makes sense. However, I think what people are getting mad about is the craptastic squiggles that crop up.

These things are nothing more than a few letters scrawled on anything and everything - house walls, stop signs, store windows, home mailboxes, picket fences, dumpsters, business awnings, post boxes, a house's front door. What people are linking to are far beyond what I see in my neighborhood - around here it's either black or silver paint that says "MC" or "BBDll" or "JAZ" (just an example, I can't tell what they say). It looks like it took a minute to do and is the equivalent of signing your initials.

If it looked like there was effort involved, then it would be great. Things like the link, what frequencyfarm or Zeeland_Canuck linked to, are simply amazing. If something like that showed up on the wall of the nearby Subway, few people would complain.
 
2007-04-08 08:40:15 PM
Cant Let You Do That Star Fox: "Not cool enough? Well, sir, while I may not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death your right to say it!"

well at least your cool enough now

i27.photobucket.com

/ Heeyyyyy!
 
2007-04-08 08:41:33 PM
I enjoy graffiti when I see it (if it adds some kind of life to depleted place like it usually does).

I used to tag old buildings and train cars growing up. It is a waste of talent. But I was poor and no one cared.

All in all, its a good outlet for the mind because its a really complex art!
 
2007-04-08 08:45:27 PM
just cause I was already in Photobucket

i27.photobucket.com
 
2007-04-08 08:46:31 PM
Dirka dirka... this piece of earth that
I stole from its creator and in its place
installed a concrete structure only to have
some other thief steal its space and use it
for there own purpose. except with the intention
of trying to restore some sense of beauty that
it has been robbed of.
img211.imageshack.us
\No part of the earth ever was "yours"!
 
2007-04-08 08:46:55 PM
I simply brought up Basquiat because he started out as a graffiti artist. Today's graffiti artist might be tomorrow's Basquiat.


Also check out Kaws, Barry McGee or Shepard Fairy and you will crossover is fairly common.

/San Dimas High School Football Rules!!!
 
2007-04-08 08:47:34 PM
Mcaffolder:

Im sorry that all you knew was punk ass wanksta wannabes. Real graffiti artists respect someones tag, and as a matter of principle don't snitch. But then again you probably weren't cool enough in high school to know people like that.




Ok class, let's move along to the next animal exhibit, nothing more to see here. Chop Chop! We're on a schedule!
 
2007-04-08 08:52:11 PM
UMMMM JUXTAPOZ ANYONE?
 
2007-04-08 08:52:48 PM
Wild Bluebonnet: Ok class, let's move along to the next animal exhibit, nothing more to see here. Chop Chop! We're on a schedule!

/WTF does that mean
// Dont Hate, Participate!
/// What is it with people from texas?
i27.photobucket.com

plutonium238: \No part of the earth ever was "yours"!

Hokusai is always an impressive piece, however they should have left the boat in the picture. The one with the guys about ready to get smashed by the wave.
 
2007-04-08 08:53:09 PM
Graffiti isn't always (or even usually) gang-related. Gang graffiti is usually just gang names scrawled out, maybe with some fallen members' names sprinkled about. People like Banksy used graffiti to make social commentary - check out his art on the "peace wall" in Israel, and his various works throughout London. Lumping all graffiti into the same group, simply because it's paint-on-a-wall, is quite frankly ridiculous.
 
2007-04-08 08:53:36 PM
PositiveContact

www.banksy.co.uk

I like the way Banksy thinks
 
2007-04-08 08:53:44 PM
BionicVapourBoy: I simply brought up Basquiat because he started out as a graffiti artist. Today's graffiti artist might be tomorrow's Basquiat.

Not if Oscar Goodman has his way and we cut off their thumbs.

/Hurray Oscar!
 
2007-04-08 08:54:21 PM
My Corgi is teh awesome: , defacing public property with your gang tag shiat is not art

What's in the pic isn't a graphitti tag, not even close. Nevermind to pull off the shading and such takes a ton of skill, nevermind the talent involved to come up with somethng like that. Also care to prove he did it without permission?

marebito: Who just happened to be a graffiti guy who got a lucky break when Warhol took a liking to him. And he had almost no technical skill, whereas this guy does.

all very true, also those who ended up Basquiat just used him and put him through stuff there was no way he could handle. When he died, they just moved on.
 
2007-04-08 08:55:34 PM
I think I'll simply agree with Mcaffolder that graffiti is wonderful and back away from this thread before I get stabbed.
 
2007-04-08 08:56:42 PM
And I mentioned it in an earlier thread today, but Keith Haring started out doing graffiti too.

And those of you harping on about vandalism, given how much of the large scale and mural work stays around for years, you really think it's vandalism? That someone wouldn't get it painted it over within five years if they didn't want it there?
 
2007-04-08 08:57:53 PM
It says "Hey, is anyone calling this shiat 'art' yet?"
 
2007-04-08 09:00:42 PM
Can't Let You, where I live, graffiti is mostly about politics. Mostly, anarchist politics. Walk the alleys of North Hampton and you'd see lots of propaganda stencilbombs and slogans like "off the landlords." Oh, and yes, this is an area that is VERY yuppified, but actually has a great diversity of income. So go ahead and dispell the stupid "ghetto" stereotypes. Playing with spraypaint seems to be quite the rage with white ultraleft kids now adays.

Old Dinosaur has clearly, by the way, never thought out why people tag. It is about reclaiming the urban landscape, sometimes consciously, sometimes not. Underlying such action is a notion that alley walls, train trestles, dumpsters, and other decoratable surfaces really belong to the people, not to the State, or to a corporation. Indeed, an anger and sense of theft is actually felt when authorities whitewash or otherwise deface ones work. Often, its also about taking art out of the elitist galleries, and into the streets- literally. Hence, there's a lot of political dynamics operating which explain why people would rather work in a public place then on purchased canvas. Also, it's not exactly piece of cake to get a gallery show. For serious mural artists, that may be one of the most important factors.

/For whatever that was worth..
 
2007-04-08 09:01:20 PM
You are renowned for your worshipful depictions of giant phalluses, Stepqhen, and I'd be honoured if you'd come by and bless my landlord's building with one.
I'm sorry, I won't let you suck my cock, though.

/likes artful graffiti
 
2007-04-08 09:01:50 PM
Mcaffolder: I am the proud owner of a "great wave of kanagawa" tattoo.
\minus the boat unfortunately.
\\arm wasn't big enough :)
 
2007-04-08 09:02:27 PM
Look at graffiti like a pyramid. There's a lot of Art loves Kaylee at the bottom and only a few pieces like this at the top.
 
2007-04-08 09:02:28 PM
EzraS

This guy does awesome stuff. More of it here

He copyrighted his grafitti... um, ok...
 
2007-04-08 09:02:31 PM
If it is your wall, go ahead and paint it, if not leave it the hell alone.

I don't give a fark about the painter's skill, his use of color, the subtlty of the shading, or ay of that. It isn't his farking canvas.

If the parking structure, or whatever, was mine I'd be putting a couple of layers of "Killz" on the wall plus a teflon sealer to make sure any future tags just run right off.
 
2007-04-08 09:04:57 PM
Cant Let You Do That Star Fox: I think I'll simply agree with Mcaffolder that graffiti is wonderful and back away from this thread before I get stabbed.

/second thoughts are sometimes the best
 
2007-04-08 09:07:56 PM
Mcaffolder
If you choose to not like rap MUSIC thats fine, if you discount rap music as music at all it just makes you ignorant and stupid

Well, if you choose to believe a bunch of ferals jumping up and down and bellowing about ho this, motherfarker that, to decidedly dis-harmonious noises, is music, then you're welcome to kiss my ass, no offense.

The green thing in TFA? Decorative craft that took some skill, but what's the message there? How does it change points of views? What am I supposed to take from it? What's the idea? Pretty, but not art.
 
2007-04-08 09:08:48 PM
plutonium238: Mcaffolder: I am the proud owner of a "great wave of kanagawa" tattoo.
\minus the boat unfortunately.
\\arm wasn't big enough :)


There is always your back :D

If it is your wall, go ahead and paint it, if not leave it the hell alone.

Go eat another donut fattie, and leave the art to someone that knows something about it, and not just all the bios of the Star Trek characters.

/youd be amazed at the life beyond the basement
 
2007-04-08 09:10:02 PM
2007-04-08 08:31:29 PM sidewaysplatypus

I love how you still back up your assertations with facts. Oh, you didn't? You just attack people with baseless comments when you don't agree with them? You do this even when given proof that your opinion contradicts reality?

Seriously, the only reason you had a "run in" is because the best defense you could muster for your position above mine was a purported grammatical error. Good job.
 
2007-04-08 09:13:42 PM
Kar98: Well, if you choose to believe a bunch of ferals jumping up and down and bellowing about ho this, motherfarker that, to decidedly dis-harmonious noises, is music, then you're welcome to kiss my ass, no offense.

I never said I liked rap music (I dont like gangsta rap but hip hop is awesome) I was simply stating that to call it NON music is ignorant. But obviously, youve never heard a good rap artist if thats what you think its all about. Oh BTW Im sure a lot of people in here would love your comparison of black people to ferals. But then again your from Texas where that racist shiat is a way of life.

/Kiss MY ASS YOU REDNECK RACIST! all offense meant you asshat
// Cant we just give Texas back to Mexico?
/// The minutemen would love that shiat.

The green thing in TFA? Decorative craft that took some skill, but what's the message there? How does it change points of views? What am I supposed to take from it? What's the idea? Pretty, but not art.

Just cause you cant appreciate it, doesn't mean it isn't art. Just like the rap thing. Its called egocentrism get over it.
 
2007-04-08 09:14:58 PM
hmm grafitti seems to bring out the worst in farkers
 
2007-04-08 09:15:19 PM
Kar98: Would you mind giving examples of modern renditions of what you perceive as art?
 
2007-04-08 09:19:10 PM
Kar98

It's like watching a rapid dog bite itself to death, isn't it?
 
2007-04-08 09:19:41 PM
Os Gemeos

Doesn't pop. Sorry.
 
2007-04-08 09:19:42 PM
I was simply stating that to call it NON music is ignorant.

No, that's knowing what music consists of: rhythm _and_ melody. If it lacks that either, it's not music. I could fling a turd over the roof and call it a soaring eagle, that still wouldn't make it a bird.
 
2007-04-08 09:19:52 PM
Bucky Katt: He copyrighted his grafitti... um, ok...

In most places copyright is automatic. Why wouldn't this be copyrighted?
 
2007-04-08 09:20:38 PM
Kar98: Well, if you choose to believe a bunch of ferals jumping up and down and bellowing about ho this, motherfarker that, to decidedly dis-harmonious noises, is music, then you're welcome to kiss my ass, no offense.

Hey remember the blues, yeah it only inspired almost every great modern musician from the Beatles, and the Stones, to Clapton, the Allman brothers, Pink floyd, James Brown, and everyone else.

Im sure if it was earlier this century you would have called Coltrane, B.B. King, and Miles Davis a bunch of ferals hollering about my baby this and my baby that.

/ 1935 called and they want their morale standards back
 
2007-04-08 09:21:05 PM
Ah yes, another fun evening of debating what "art" is.
 
2007-04-08 09:22:02 PM
Kar98


No, that's knowing what music consists of: rhythm _and_ melody. If it lacks that either, it's not music. I could fling a turd over the roof and call it a soaring eagle, that still wouldn't make it a bird.

Rap music doesn't mave melody? That's news to me.
 
2007-04-08 09:23:36 PM
BLOODS OR CRIPS?
YOU MAKE THE CALL!
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