This is gonna be good.

/sits back with bowl of popcorn waiting for the show to start

What? A "weather guy" dissing Al Gore? Obviously he knows nothing about it, compared to the Environmental Guru Al Gore! How many watts does this "weather guy" use a month at home?

/He'll be fired by next week.

Just curious where he thinks all that water is going?

Gray, an emeritus professor at the atmospheric science department at Colorado State University, has long railed against the theory that heat-trapping gases generated by human activity are causing the world to warm.

Obviously, the man is an ignorant heretic. 'HOW DARE HE' question the reverend Al Gore?

HellbentForLeather: Obviously, the man is an ignorant heretic. 'HOW DARE HE' question the reverend Al Gore?

We are seeing increasing ice melts. If the world isn't trapping heat, what will cause the sea levels to drop?

Did someone accidentally open the drain?

Just curious where he thinks all that water is going?

Good question. Seems like the beaches would be vanishing with all that extra water! 'Course they're not.

Here we go: Did someone accidentally open the drain?

THAT'S where all the extra water from the glaciers that are melting is going!! A drain we didn't know about. Or maybe it's all a lie... Al Gore said that 20% of the Earth's glaciers have already melted! Have beach water levels risen by 20%? Of course not! Now that we know there's a drain...

SoiledDude

We are seeing increasing ice melts. If the world isn't trapping heat, what will cause the sea levels to drop?


Whatever caused it last time.

Oh man, I can't wait 'till the next major volcano erupts and massively 'pollutes' the earth's atmosphere with greenhouse gasses. How will the Church of Global Warming handle this affront to scripture - the earth polluting itself!

Am I going to find Love in my life too?

cheerwinedan: Just curious where he thinks all that water is going?

Good question. Seems like the beaches would be vanishing with all that extra water! 'Course they're not.

Here we go: Did someone accidentally open the drain?

THAT'S where all the extra water from the glaciers that are melting is going!! A drain we didn't know about. Or maybe it's all a lie... Al Gore said that 20% of the Earth's glaciers have already melted! Have beach water levels risen by 20%? Of course not! Now that we know there's a drain...

So, what intellectual mecca do you live in? Do you consider Tom Clancy to be "fine literature"? Do you consider the profits of industry more important than long term survivability? I want to know what your clearly gifted mind has to say on these matters!!!

cheerwinedanAl Gore said that 20% of the Earth's glaciers have already melted! Have beach water levels risen by 20%?

Your "logic" is flawed. Do you see why?

and his peer reviewed study is...where...?

personally I'll buy what the international panel says: WE NEED TO GET OUR shiat TOGETHER OR LOTS OF PEOPLE WILL DIE

I don't see any difference between environmental wackos and end-of-the-world evangelicals.

Seriously. David Koresh...Y2K...global warming. It's just a variable in the same equation. The only difference is that some people succumb to religion and other people have a religious experience with science...something that should never be viewed with a religious POV.

There's about as much objectivity in any of these things as the others, and woe to you if you dare speak out against this...or even worse, try to bring contrary truthful facts to the table. Heresy if it's religion, loss of funding if it's science.

FTFA
Rather than global warming, Gray believes a recent uptick in strong hurricanes is part of a multi-decade trend of alternating busy and slow periods related to ocean circulation patterns. Contrary to mainstream thinking, Gray believes ocean temperatures are going to drop in the next five to 10 years.

Why do reports have to suck so much? This only sounds complicated because it doesn't answer the question of why he doesn't believe global warming to be a problem. This answers the unasked question "why are there so many strong hurricanes?" Apparently, the global warming talking heads must be blaming rough hurricane seasons on impending doom.

Why, why do you think they will drop Dr?

/stupid reporter
//get some answers next time
///I'd like to hear his theory

Entropy is for Sheep: and his peer reviewed study is...where...?

*listens to the sound of mouseclicks as HBFL and CWD look up what that means*

And the IPCC is composed of how many top-level PhDs? Something like 150?

Geriatricide

I for one welcome our new penguin overlords.

/chilly willie has a posse

William Gray has no credibility within the scientific community.

"Not because of his science, but because he is making strong statements without backing them up with evidence. This view has been confirmed by Texas A&M's Andrew Dessler, a climate scientist who recently spoke to Gray at a scientific meeting:

"After arguing with him for a few minutes, it became clear that Bill Gray has no scientific theory of his own *why* the water vapor feedback is negative, and no data to support his non-theory. He has no manuscript describing his non-theory and no plans to attempt to publish it.

After I pointed out all of the evidence supporting a positive feedback, he looked confused and finally said, "OK, maybe the feedback isn't negative, maybe it's neutral. I'll give you that." I quickly concluded that he has no idea what he's talking about. I wish everyone that considers him credible could have witnessed this exchange."

I might also add that Gray made two appearances at this year's hurricane conference at the National Hurricane Conference that were handled, and probably sponsored, by Tech Central Station. This is an important detail because the Web site's funding has been linked to Exxon, among others.

1133 21st St NW Suite M100 c/o Ralph R Brown Washington, DC 20036
Phone: 202-546-4242
Tech Central Science Foundation was formed in late November 2002 (Form 990). The Foundation appears to be a funding arm of the free-market news site, TechCentralStation.com.

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ExxonMobil gave the Foundation $95,000 in 2003 for "Climate Change Support." According to Guidestar.org, a nonprofit research tool, the Foundation had 2003 income of $150,000 and $110,903 in assets. The Foundation commissioned a study by Charles River Associates alleging that the costs of the McCain-Lieberman bill of 2003 would be a minimum of $350 annually per household through 2010, rising to $530 per household by 2020, and could rise to as high as $1,300 per year per household. Related information: Tech Central Station was launched in 1999 as "a cross between a journal of Internet opinion and a cyber think tank open to the public" (TCS news release). According to Washington Monthly, TCS is published by the DCI Group, "a prominent Washington public affairs firm specializing in P.R., lobbying, and so-called 'Astroturf' organizing, generally on behalf of corporations, GOP politicians, and the occasional Third-World despot." TCS shares office space, staff and ownership with DCI Group. ("Meet the Press" Washington Monthly, December 2003.

Fer cryin out its fine to be skeptical and keep an open mind but some of you Climate Change deniers present the most retarded farking arguments. You're going up against a mountain of scientific evidence and come out with the fact that a 20% decline in glacier volume didn't result in a 20% rise in sea levels? Do you even know what a farking glacier is?

cheerwinedan
Al Gore said that 20% of the Earth's glaciers have already melted! Have beach water levels risen by 20%? Of course not!

Methinks someone needs to retake Grade 5 math.

HellbentForLeather
Obviously, the man is an ignorant heretic. 'HOW DARE HE' question the reverend Al Gore?

Even the most brilliant of scientists can be wrong (and just about every brilliant scientist has been wrong at some point), that's why science isn't done by a single person.

Err, submitter;, where in TFA does it even mention ocean temperatures?!

As Lard_Baron points out, one sceptic's voice does not counteract the conclusions of throusands of scientists looking at a wide variety of evidence. Just today on the BBC there's an article about how wildlife patterns in the UK are shifting due to earlier sping temperatures.

My question to you, submitter, is why are you so sceptical? what have yoiu got to lose from acknowledging the possiblity that by burning millions of years of trapped carbon in fossil fuels in just a few decades, we may just possibly have caused the increase in atmospheric CO2 known to increase tempratues in the manner we are now seeing?

OH NOES! A blogger says he's funded by EXXON!!!! It must be true. Bloggers never lie.

Climate change deniers need a reality check.

OK, so I suck at reading comprehension today - but my point that one guy's opinion does not wipe out thousands of other's work still stands..

So this one sensible guy disagrees with the 2000 or so assorted asshats and harbingers of doom who issued that scary report to the United Nations last week?

I believe him.

Sure, I may have learned nothing from a 500-word general news article about a man I've never heard of, but I feel that it lends credence to insulting Al Gore! I've got the green light to pollute now, biatches!

OK I always wonder wonder about this question so I'm going to get it in early and see if I get a response.

I live in the UK, where the issue of anthropogenic global warming is pretty much settled with the public. You don't see anything much in the papers or on TV arguing over whether it exists, but rather what we should do about it. I'd like to think that a lone maverick such as the one in TFA would not be given a soapbox by the UK media (though it does happen very occasionally).

Now what I want to know is, what do Americans really think? Is there really a large contingent who think it is all a load of (ahem) tosh? A study from last year informs me that 74% of Americans 'believe' in AGW - if so, why all the hostility? Is it just a case of a small minority getting far more media coverage than they ought, or do people actually think like that?

(No, I'm not interested in debating the issue itself).

We are seeing increasing ice melts. If the world isn't trapping heat, what will cause the sea levels to drop?

Oooh I know, I know, Global Warming! There is NO OTHER EXPLANATION!

Aley: No, I'm not interested in debating the issue itself

Nor am I, the debate was over long ago, I'm just going to post graphs and pictures.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=295


Gray gets smoked by Climate Scientists.

Follow the money

How can anyone predict with any certainty what the weather/climate/hurricane season/ocean temperatures/sea levels will do in the next 5, 10, 15, 20 years? I know all about models, forecasts, etc. But I really don't think those can be used as "evidence" for either side of the argument.

Mungo

With your reading skills, how are we supposed to believe you've got a grasp of alternate theories?

Aley

It has to do with impressionability. Often the smallest minorities are the loudest voices. There's fractions that are militant about global warming and will say/do anything to convince the public that it's real. There are fractions that are militant that it is a hoax, a scam and do everything to preserve their status quo.

The rest of us (I'd say 80%) fall in the middle because we see the debate for as disingenous as it is. Either you have the left who cannot be refuted and control their institutions or the right who make sh*t up and use money to lobby to get their way.

The left is alarmist and we know it, and it's about as relevant to us as Y2K. The right is totally full of it and about greed, and we know that as well.

The sad thing is that if science stood on it's own, there would be intelligent debate. But it's bullying by the left and sheer graft on the right so that neither has to actually articulate things in a manner the majority of people are waiting for.

But the same goes for every polarised part of politics these days. Just as the right will never have any traction in academia for science, the left will never have any traction in business for capitalism's self-preservation/self-interest. And academia will never have real say in how churches are run, and churches are not going to negate science.

Except Intelligent Design.

Whoops.

Pumpin shait into the air has not effect, so lets just keep on keepin' on. 4mpg SUV's and Coal fired powerstations for each and everyone!

Let's see if I can slap some Gore followers with some facts.

10% chance that greenhouse gases are a minor contributor to global warming
33% chance that people have absolutely no influence causing warmer and more frequent hot days

/ya rly

I don't know why there is still an argument about this issue, but I'm going out to buy water wings.

It doesn't help the human induced climate change is so serious why are its leading prop(hets)onents okay doing dozens of times more damage to the environment than the average American? I'm not saying the Rev Gore should be living in a geo-dome made of recycled disposable diapers but c'mon his environmental footprint is bigger than entire developing world villages.

I can't believe nobody has pointed out that Albert Gore is fat.

I really don't care about Al Bore or what he says--- but it is clear to me that good environmental policy benefits everyone--- except maybe coal powered power plant owners.

Aley-

You've hit it right on the head. There is a vocal minority of the public and and even smaller minority of the scientific community here that still deny that humans have had a negative impact on the clobal climate. News organizations will continue to ferret out these people and give them platforms from which to espouse their views regardless of whether they have credible arguments for one primary reason: it makes for exciting headlines.

This is akin to the "debate" that is apparently raging over intelligent design nationwide (maybe a debate, but hardly nationwide, and hardly between credible scientists as the news would have you believe from time to time).

The bloke who wrote this's opinion,


is worth just as much as the 100's of scientists on the IPCC who wrote this

http://science.hq.nasa.gov/oceans/system/climate.html

Aley: Now what I want to know is, what do Americans really think? Is there really a large contingent who think it is all a load of (ahem) tosh? A study from last year informs me that 74% of Americans 'believe' in AGW - if so, why all the hostility? Is it just a case of a small minority getting far more media coverage than they ought, or do people actually think like that?

Some tards think the world isn't getting warmer, but they just got hit by the shrapnel of all the propaganda. Our country is politically influenced by heavy doses of TV and personalities. Facts don't usually affect the masses as well as a flashy graphic. Most people don't know what they're talking about and many environmentalists get very self righteous because they know global warming is real (from their propaganda) and many ?non?-environmentalists aren't aware (too much propaganda).

Affectively:
Those that 'believe' in global warming are those that feel we cause it and must do something to prevent further change.

Those that do not believe in global warming are those that feel we do not cause global warming and therefore do not need to change
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Our actual debates on causation take place behind the scenes. From such discussions, those who can influence choose to do so and a decision is made. The masses are simply swung with propaganda campaigns.

SharkUW
Let's see if I can slap some Gore followers with some facts.

10% chance that greenhouse gases are a minor contributor to global warming
33% chance that people have absolutely no influence causing warmer and more frequent hot days

/ya rly

That has got to be the worst troll I've ever seen. You haven't even bothered to cite a highly dubious source.

beoswulf: It doesn't help the human induced climate change is so serious why are its leading prop(hets)onents okay doing dozens of times more damage to the environment than the average American?

Because if you fly in a jet and give personal presentations to 1000 comunity leaders around the globe, you have more of an effect than if you stay at home.