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(Some Guy)   Microsoft sued over "Windows Vista Capable" stickers on PCs which in reality will barely run the most stripped down version of Vista. Microsoft? Deceptive? Nah   (playfuls.com ) divider line
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2007-04-04 10:39:04 PM  
Microsoft. Those wacky guys, again?

Remember when they said they had that Zune thing that would be better than an iPod? Those crazy guys.
 
2007-04-04 10:43:49 PM  
I am soooo glad I didn't upgrade.

No...really.
 
2007-04-04 10:47:53 PM  
Just one more class action suit where the attorneys involved get rich and the members of the class will get a $25.00 coupon good toward the purchase of a MS product. Everybody wins except the consumer.


Class action lawsuit = lawyer get enrichment scheme.
 
rka
2007-04-04 11:04:03 PM  
When is someone going to take the PC manufacturers to task for enabling Microsoft?
 
2007-04-04 11:41:59 PM  
When is someone going to take the PC manufacturers to task for enabling Microsoft?

That's what I want to know, if they didn't feed the Microsoft machine, this crap wouldn't even be possible.
 
2007-04-05 12:06:53 AM  
I bought a lappy a few months ago, and was highly amused by that sticker. It's only got 512Mb RAM.

Maybe it'd pay to be less amused and more suey.
 
2007-04-05 12:36:56 AM  
i have two copies of vista i got for free that im not installing until at least service pack 1.
 
2007-04-05 12:38:13 AM  
My mother got a "Windows XP" laptop a few years back that had something like 192 megs of RAM. That shouldn't be legal.
 
2007-04-05 12:39:06 AM  
Barely running it means running it, so I don't see the problem here.
 
2007-04-05 12:40:28 AM  
Partisan: My mother got a "Windows XP" laptop a few years back that had something like 192 megs of RAM. That shouldn't be legal.

That's what I had at work until recently. It was very painful.
 
2007-04-05 12:42:09 AM  
What a wonderful paradigm of so many high school and college grads in our society today - yes, they too are capable.
 
2007-04-05 12:43:02 AM  
bonoboho

I hear you. I got Vista and Office '07 through my work's MSDN access. I won't put Vista on until at least the first service pack either. Office '07 made it a whole week before I went back to '03.

/liked Excel '07
//it's like Microsoft doesn't mind being a resource hog
 
2007-04-05 12:43:16 AM  
Maybe they should have said "Windows Vista Handi-Capable."
 
2007-04-05 12:43:17 AM  
MacEnvy: Microsoft. Those wacky guys, again?

Remember when they said they had that Zune thing that would be better than an iPod? Those crazy guys.


Yeah, I know. Just the other day, I was at the local Circuit City, and this crazy guy named Beve Stallmer comes in, buys all the Zunes, and then says to me that he wants to squirt me a picture of his kids.
 
2007-04-05 12:43:26 AM  
So... this lady is suing Microsoft over a free upgrade program? Not only that, but since she was too cheap to upgrade to XP Pro to bump to Vista business free, she stayed with Home, and is made she gets Vista Home free.

This is going to get tossed out so freaking fast.
 
2007-04-05 12:43:35 AM  
Christodd2627

That's what I want to know, if they didn't feed the Microsoft machine, this crap wouldn't even be possible.

You misspelt, "If they didn't feed the Microsoft Machine, they would be strong armed out of business."
 
2007-04-05 12:43:41 AM  
i67.photobucket.com
 
2007-04-05 12:44:29 AM  
On behalf of all Washington State residents, I would like to apologize for this woman's farking stupidity that seemingly sees no boundaries.

Since when is "capable" supposed to mean "WTFPWN"?
 
2007-04-05 12:44:37 AM  
PlaidKing

Deceptive anyway - the entire point, these days, is to be able to multi-task. And, you can't multi-task if all your compy can do is run the OS.

If ever I need to buy a new computer, I'm getting one built - sans Vista.
 
2007-04-05 12:44:38 AM  
fair enough, give her a refund on her damn copy then

$5 million? what the hell is that compensating her for?
 
2007-04-05 12:45:09 AM  
PlaidKing

Barely running it means running it, so I don't see the problem here.


I think it's fair to assume that the people would like to run actual programs and not just stare at their desktop all day.
 
2007-04-05 12:45:19 AM  
I fail to see the deceptive practices claimed by the suit. Was it somehow a given that "Vista Capable" meant capable of running Ultimate Edition or something (something about assumptions and asses)? Home Basic is Vista, so if a machine can run Home Basic, it is capable of running Vista. The fact that Home Basic doesn't include Aero and some other pointless tripe (but includes the actual important "upgrades") is irrelevant to the fact that it still falls into the category of Vista and therefore these people can go **** themselves.

Yeah yeah, I'm going to be branded a Microsoft apologist now, whatever. The only reason I even continue to run Windows is so I can play games. I run FreeBSD as well and might just make the final transition because I can't seem to find any entertaining video games on PC anymore...
 
2007-04-05 12:45:48 AM  
The likes of Dell and Compaq/HP solds millions of systems with XP and only 128MB of RAM. Where was the whinefest then?

These people don't have a leg to stand on. The definition isn't 'runs well.' Just 'runs.' Being an informed consumer is its own reward. If somebody is selling a commodity product for less, there is a reason. That reason might mean the product isn't as much of a bargain at it seemed at first glance.
 
2007-04-05 12:47:06 AM  
b230fbuddy: So... this lady is suing Microsoft over a free upgrade program?

It was no more free than the shiat that follows "but wait, there's more" on late night commercials. That is to say, the upgrade was part of the consideration that she bargained for in purchasing the computer.
 
2007-04-05 12:47:16 AM  
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2007-04-05 12:47:27 AM  
Yeah, deceptive if you can't read.

What is a Windows Vista Capable PC?

A new PC running Windows XP that carries the Windows Vista Capable PC logo can run Windows Vista. All editions of Windows Vista will deliver core experiences such as innovations in organizing and finding information, security, and reliability. All Windows Vista Capable PCs will run these core experiences at a minimum. Some features available in the premium editions of Windows Vista-like the new Windows Aero user experience-may require advanced or additional hardware.
 
2007-04-05 12:48:06 AM  
When is someone going to take the PC manufacturers to task for enabling Microsoft?

That's what I want to know, if they didn't feed the Microsoft machine, this crap wouldn't even be possible.


No one in their right mind will try to put a stop to the hundreds of billions of dollars made by thousands of companies every year, all because Microsoft provides a stable standard for development.
 
2007-04-05 12:48:29 AM  
If I see another farking DirectX Diagnostic scan that reads out like this, I'm going to scream:

Operating System: Microsoft Windows Vista űberexpensive Edition
Processor: Intel Celeron Crap Processing Unit, 2.8Ghz.
Memory: 512Mb RAM
Grapghics Chip: Intel G945 Chipset, 256Mb RAM

Tell me what's wrong with this picture.
 
2007-04-05 12:49:37 AM  
This will go to court and it will go something like this...

Judge : So, These machines that you claim are not really windows vista capable, you have one of them here?
Plaintiff : Yes your honor, right here...
Judge : And is that Vista running on it..
Plaintiff : Yes your honor.. but bu.. bu..but it doesn't have all the pretty features that this faster machine can run...
Judge : ... (squinty eye look)

Simply put, it's the fact that you can say something is capable of something if it meets the minimums to do it. Which these machines do. I'm "combat capable", but I wouldn't put any bets on how well I would do in a combat zone compared to someone who was more well equipped for the task.
 
2007-04-05 12:49:53 AM  
Z80_CPU

You mean besides everything?
 
2007-04-05 12:50:17 AM  
There's also Windows Vista Premium Ready PCs

Some Windows Vista Capable PCs have been designated Premium Ready. These PCs will provide an even better Windows Vista experience, including the Windows Aero user experience. Features available in specific premium editions of Windows Vista, such as the ability to watch and record live TV, may require additional hardware.
 
2007-04-05 12:51:51 AM  
BLOATWARE

/still running win2k
 
2007-04-05 12:53:37 AM  
RAM usage for an OS: maybe it's a bit like the budget of a large North American country...
I wonder if Microsoft's ballooning defense..err..RAM budget is in large part due to the increased need to keep out the viral "terrorists"....
 
2007-04-05 12:53:49 AM  
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2007-04-05 12:54:50 AM  
Why is it Microsoft's fault for putting the sticker on a computer built by a different company? Not that I see a problem with this at all-- but wouldn't it be the fault of HP or Compaq or Dell or whoever built the thing if there was actually something wrong?
 
2007-04-05 12:55:38 AM  
Z80_CPU

Grapghics Chip: Intel G945 Chipset, 256Mb RAM
Tell me what's wrong with this picture.


That you can't spell Graphics?
 
2007-04-05 12:56:07 AM  

Remember when they said they had that Zune thing that would be better than an iPod? Those crazy guys.


Actually, most people I know who have used both prefer the Zune, often by a long shot, to the Ipod.

However, they all seem to agree that the software for the Zune is terrible.
 
2007-04-05 12:56:37 AM  
WOULD SOMEBODY PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY I NEED VISTA?

i'm happy with xp right now. does it have a special way to copy files or something?
 
2007-04-05 12:56:42 AM  
Z80_CPU

If I see another farking DirectX Diagnostic scan that reads out like this, I'm going to scream:

Operating System: Microsoft Windows Vista űberexpensive Edition
Processor: Intel Celeron Crap Processing Unit, 2.8Ghz.
Memory: 512Mb RAM
Grapghics Chip: Intel G945 Chipset, 256Mb RAM

Tell me what's wrong with this picture.

zoips

You mean besides everything?


QFT. thats exactly what i was going to say after seeing his comment.
 
2007-04-05 12:57:13 AM  
Meh. A typo. Dear lawdy, that never happens.
 
2007-04-05 12:57:15 AM  
Microsoft made the upgrade terms clear. Stores may have been misleading in regards to the upgrade program, but you can't blame Microsoft for that. As for "Vista capable" stickers, the words mean just what they seem to imply--it's capable of running Vista. Last time I checked, MS actually had higher standards for the Vista capable stickers than minimum requirements, not that it means a whole lot I suppose. . .. Running Vista with 512MBs of RAM is still akin to running XP with 256MBs. Slow, and no one should do it, but there are far too many people out there unwilling to spend the extra couple bucks for a decent system. Again, not Microsoft's fault.

ftfa: The 'Minimum Requirements' for Vista are several gigabytes of disk space and at least one gigabyte of RAM. The actual requirements for a full-fledged Vista are at least two gigabytes of RAM, a powerful processor running at least at 3Ghz (P4 equivalent) and a powerful video card, such as a 7xxx series nVIDIA or corresponding ATI.

Total farking bullshiat. 1.6GHz Core Duo, Radeon x1300 and a gig of RAM--Vista runs better than XP did on my system.
 
2007-04-05 12:59:13 AM  
I missed the part where Microsoft employees went to every single machine and put a sticker on it... shouldn't she be going after HP or Dell?
 
2007-04-05 12:59:15 AM  
www.favreau.info
 
2007-04-05 12:59:58 AM  
b230fbuddy: So... this lady is suing Microsoft over a free upgrade program? Not only that, but since she was too cheap to upgrade to XP Pro to bump to Vista business free, she stayed with Home, and is made she gets Vista Home free.

No - because she bought a machine that said it could run the thing, and it can't. Not in any reasonable capacity. These are l33thaxxors it's your gramma looking for something to put her scrapbooking shiat on. Like 'oh this one is blue and the box looks old people friendly' and the best buy geek is all 'oh it won't get old for a while, ha ha!'.

Like that.
 
2007-04-05 01:00:33 AM  
I am using Vista on my home system now, just because. Yeah, it's pretty much crap, but once you tweak the crud out of it it becomes a halfway-stable smooth ride.

Of course, I have 2 gig of ram and a 6800 ultra...
 
2007-04-05 01:00:33 AM  
Two syllables: Ap-ple.
 
2007-04-05 01:01:14 AM  
Flopsy... why the sandwich pic?

/I still laugh at Vista
 
2007-04-05 01:01:16 AM  
Oooska: As for "Vista capable" stickers, the words mean just what they seem to imply--it's capable of running Vista.

I have to disagree a little bit. If the Stickers had said "Vista Basic Home Capable," then I would feel differently. From tfa:

Mary Jo Foley, a ZDNet blogger, pointed out the fact that not even on Microsoft's web page you can find out what exactly "Windows Vista Capable" means:

"Nowhere (that I've found) does Microsoft spell out clearly which versions of Vista will run on Vista Capable machines. [...] why is figuring out which PC is best suited to running which version of Vista such a chore? Isn't there an easier way to help consumers make the right choice? I think it's fair to ding Microsoft for confusing branding/marketing."
 
2007-04-05 01:01:17 AM  
Oooska: Or they're too stupid to know that they need more than 512Mb for a Vista box to be worth a damn.
 
2007-04-05 01:02:23 AM  
i have two copies of vista i got for free that im not installing until at least service pack 1.

I say wait at least a year, even if a service pack is released before the first year passes by.

Let the early adopters find all the most obvious problems.
 
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