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CommieSquirrel		2002-08-15 12:29:24 PM

Bevets: Unless you had God speak to you directly, you are placing your faith in the word of other people. Get a clue.
There may be a God yes, but learn to think for your self rather than letting an antiquated book do it for you.
GOD I HATE ORGANIZED RELIGION.
If you ever find God, it won't be through dumbass rituals or following other non-thinking zombies.

CommieSquirrel		2002-08-15 12:30:45 PM

Also,
Bevets, the bible says that the devil showed Jesus all the kingdoms of the world from a mountaintop. You take this shiat literally. How can you do that on a globe?

Bevets		2002-08-15 12:30:53 PM

CommieSquirrel

If you ever find God, it won't be through dumbass rituals or following other non-thinking zombies.

Did God tell you this directly?

CommieSquirrel		2002-08-15 12:33:30 PM

No, it's something I came up with myself. Not someone who takes Scriptures literally will understand.
I think you should just take the good philosophy behind these writings and forget the rest.

ISeeYourDisease		2002-08-15 12:39:31 PM

My VW leaks oil, that is also a sign

blike		2002-08-15 12:43:24 PM

and dr. jones,
the bible says in leveticus that we must kill the raped along with the rapist for she has been deflowered. Is that way, really, is that the way?

I love how athiests tell us whats in the Bible, and then act like they've had a major revelation.

The old testament was the old covenant with man, the new testament is the new covenant. We are not bound by old testament law. Jesus was, and He fulfilled the law bringing us under a new covenant with God(hence new testament).

10 cubits across 30 cubits around resovles a pi=3
your bible declares pi as three.

So pathetic I'm having to muster up enough desire to respond. My apologies on the accuracy of ancient measuring tools.

religion=ignorance		2002-08-15 12:45:16 PM

Timothy 3:15

Above all you must beleive that everything I say is true because I say that everything I say is true.

Timothy 3:15-a

The following statement is true: the preceeding statement was false.

Peter 1:20

All those things here written are true even if other things written here disagree. Those other things written here are also true.
Bevets 1:1

So like a sheep am I that I might not seek the truth, but will accept the words of others as my truth. This path I shall follow for it spares me having to be afraid of the eternal nothingness that is death.

MistressRowena		2002-08-15 12:47:50 PM

People oozing fluids from certain orifi sometimes claim to see god...

What's the old saying, "There are no atheists in orgasm"?

Oh, wait, that's foxholes.

Nightsweat		2002-08-15 12:50:24 PM

MistressRowena:

Tomato, To-mah-to.

blike		2002-08-15 12:52:12 PM

Timothy 3:15

Above all you must beleive that everything I say is true because I say that everything I say is true.

Timothy 3:15-a

The following statement is true: the preceeding statement was false.

And which Timothy would that be? Is that one you've inserted into your Bible? Perhaps you should read the Bible for yourself, instead of believing what someone else says is true.

1 Timothy 3:15 "if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth."

2 Timoth 3:15 "and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings which are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus."

1 Peter 1:20 "He was destined before the foundation of the world but was made manifest at the end of the times for your sake"

2 Peter 1:20 "20 First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation,"

Thanks for the laugh though

MistressRowena		2002-08-15 12:53:10 PM

E-Sensei Could ya hyperlink next time you feel compelled to share photos of yourself? Fer chrissakes, I'm eating lunch!

religion=ignorance		2002-08-15 12:54:03 PM

Blike:

I have said it before to Bevets (with no answer) and I will say it again to you:

The only reason that you are a Christian is because your parents were. If you were born to Muslims you would be Muslim, if you were born to Jews you would be a Jew. What religion a sheep will follow has less to do with scripture than it does with chance.

Whose parents were right? Who is going to hell? Is it the Muslims, the Christians, the Jews, countless other religions?

blike		2002-08-15 12:58:28 PM

Wait a second, I'm still interested in why you took someone else's word to be true, without checking into it yourself? Isn't that what you were accusing us of? Thanks Kettle.

The only reason that you are a Christian is because your parents were.

I love how you make such proclamations as if they were universal truths. Sorry, you lose.

popain		2002-08-15 01:03:52 PM

blike the bible is not yours.

:P

and here from the new testament since you don't seem to adhere to the old testament:

Mathew 19:29
And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

so become a deadbeat dad, an adulterer, dissown your parents, all in the name of Jesus and you will be saved. (and this is reiterated again and again in the new testament .. some moral guide the bible is)

also in mathew jesus declares that mutes and people with epilepsy are possessed by satan, that the moon produces it's own light, and that the world is flat (..to the tallest mountain where he could see all the kindoms ... the four corners of the world.. etc)
And again these themes are reiterated throughout the new testament.

I'm sorry but the bible is a holy pile of shiat.
---
jesusworks.net

CommieSquirrel		2002-08-15 01:05:38 PM

Seriously, Blike learn to think for yourself. No scripture is absolutely correct in all of its details. If parts of it are wrong, then all of it could be wrong.
Find me one that is perfectly accurate.

Besides Blike, what makes you think Christianity is correct?
Other than idiotic blind faith that is.

popain		2002-08-15 01:07:19 PM

one last note:

Mathew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Jesus beleived heavily in the truth of the old testament. For christ's sake BLike jesus was a farkin jew.

BruiserX		2002-08-15 01:09:15 PM

I love the "buffet" xians.

We don't like that part, so we don't have to believe it.

religion=ignorance		2002-08-15 01:14:51 PM

No Blike,

I take nobody's words to be true. Any fool could see that I made those bible versus up as a joke to show how foolish the notion of the bible being infallible is.

I realize that there is not a Timothy 3:15a that states:

The following statement is true: the preceeding statement was false.

Saying "you lose" as an answer to an argument rather than providing an actual response isn't much of an argument at all. You probably managed to convince Bevets though.

Personally I don't care if you want to waste your life believing in the imaginary. I promise you that we will both be in the same place when the dirt is being tossed onto our coffins.

blike		2002-08-15 01:17:14 PM

Mathew 19:29
And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

In that verse Jesus is speaking to Peter and the disciples who left all their family and posessions to follow Jesus. Jesus had just finished talking about how hard it was to enter the kingdom of heaven, and peter told Jesus that they had left everything to follow Him. Jesus was reassuring the disciples that they weren't losing out. Context is the key.

also in mathew jesus declares that mutes and people with epilepsy are possessed by satan, that the moon produces it's own light, and that the world is flat (..to the tallest mountain where he could see all the kindoms ... the four corners of the world.. etc)
And again these themes are reiterated throughout the new testament.

The Scripture makes it quite clear that the earth is a sphere (Isaiah 40:22). The word translated "corners" is the Hebrew word, KANAPH. Kanaph generally means extremity. If the Bible had meant literal corners, it would have said "Paioh" or "Ziovyoh", even "Paamouth".

blike		2002-08-15 01:20:58 PM

Saying "you lose" as an answer to an argument rather than providing an actual response isn't much of an argument at all. You probably managed to convince Bevets though.

Actually, saying "you lose" was my way expressing the pettiness of your argument. From the response you should have inferred that your above statement was NOT true, because my parents were NOT christians.

impaler		2002-08-15 01:22:30 PM

a sphere doesn't have extremities moron. Even if it doesn't mean literal corners, it still means the ends of the earth. I.e. the earth is flat and has a definite ending point.

CommieSquirrel		2002-08-15 01:24:27 PM

Even if it is extremity, a shere doesn't really have it.
If you mean HORIZON, can't really even fit one real kingdom from what you can see from a mountain forget about all of the kingdoms of the earth.
How tall was this mountain: 500 miles (you'd need atleast somewhere to even see most of a hemisphere).
The point is not in technicalities. All we're saying is, that there are errors in accordance with the beliefs of the people at the time.
For the love of God, I pity you if you take it literally. You will waste your life without ever growing intellectually or spiritually. Even the great religous philosphers questioned the exactness of scriptures.

HungsoloXXX		2002-08-15 01:24:41 PM

Catholics are farking morons, THE END. Sorry if that was too harsh, but I'm sick of saints and stigmata and all of this bullshiat, we're living in the 21st century, not the dark ages retards. OMG MY HANDS ARE LEAKING OIL, PLEASE BELIEVE ME AND GET BLESSED BY ME! This is ridiculus, someone please go kill this moron and all the retards who believe her story. Why would jesus put marks on anyone? Does the bible ever mention this? NO. Catholicism=CULT OF EVIL!~$!@ Mister Chick told me so.

religion=ignorance		2002-08-15 01:25:24 PM

Blike:

Well, then I guess they could see the extremeties of the world from the top of the mountain. That makes more sense. I like your way of arguing by deflection rather than addressing what is said.

brap		2002-08-15 01:25:24 PM

Don't know about the whole "sign from Christ" thing but this sure puts me in the mood for a good old-fashioned handjob.

popain		2002-08-15 01:27:39 PM

I didn't want to turn this into a god damned theology debate. but all i have to say is mathew 5:17.

if jesus beleived in the law of the old testament. so should you. do you deny the truth of jesus? and the truth of the punishments in leveticus and deutoeronomy?

do you adhere to the utter cruelty of what the old testament perscribes?

or are you one of those "buffet" christians, or one of those apologetics, or have you finally figured out that the bible is not the word of God but a bunch of bullshiat written by a bunch of sexist thugs.

blike		2002-08-15 01:28:52 PM

Mathew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Jesus beleived heavily in the truth of the old testament. For christ's sake BLike jesus was a farkin jew.

Thanks for another astonishing revelation. In all my years of studying the Bible, I have failed to see the verses you quote. Yet, with but a quick scimming of the verses and a few web resources, you manage to out-think me!

Why did he come to fulfill the law? If we were already fulfilling the law, why would He have to come do it for us?

Perhaps in your reading of the Bible for yourself, you failed to read the last half of Galations 3. You also missed Romans 7. Check them out sometime, you might learn a thing or two.

blike		2002-08-15 01:29:54 PM

Apparently my html skills are lacking :P

Mathew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Jesus beleived heavily in the truth of the old testament. For christ's sake BLike jesus was a farkin jew.

Thanks for another astonishing revelation. In all my years of studying the Bible, I have failed to see the verses you quote. Yet, with but a quick scimming of the verses and a few web resources, you manage to out-think me!

Why did he come to fulfill the law? If we were already fulfilling the law, why would He have to come do it for us?

Perhaps in your reading of the Bible for yourself, you failed to read the last half of Galations 3. You also missed Romans 7. Check them out sometime, you might learn a thing or two.

popain		2002-08-15 01:32:58 PM

um....

you are a complete moron.

if you re-read what you said you still havent addressed the PUNISHMENTS for not fulfilling the law of the old testament.

Jesus belived the Law, jesus believed the punishments. If we were not fulfilling the law, then accordingly we shall be punished according to the law ... the old farking testament.

Bevets		2002-08-15 01:33:34 PM

Blike

The Scripture makes it quite clear that the earth is a sphere (Isaiah 40:22).

http://www.tektonics.org/tekton_03_03_01.html

blike		2002-08-15 01:35:45 PM

I didn't want to turn this into a god damned theology debate.

This isn't a theology debate. This is you showing me whats in my Bible.

Before you engage in any such debates with anyone that has at least half a brain, I suggest you study up on Christianity, and why we believe what we believe. Most atheists know better than to start slinging verses and expecting a suprise response. Perhaps one day you'll graduate to real atheism and provide something worthwhile.

blike		2002-08-15 01:38:25 PM

I guess I'll have to do the reading for you.

Galations 3:24 "So that the law was our custodian until Christ came, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a custodian;"

Let me spell it out a little clearer:

Law = custodian
no longer under custodian
no longer under law.

popain		2002-08-15 01:39:47 PM

I'm not telling you what's in your bible.

I'm quoting the bible.

You ought to get off your high chair and come down to the real world. You've been spending to much time studying scripture. You've probably already wasted most your life dedicating your life to ink on a page.

Pathetic is the fool who lives life in the past.

NotJesus		2002-08-15 01:40:57 PM

Anyone ever seen a study that compares the relative intelligence (I.Q.) of theists vs. atheists?

Based on the reasoning skills I've seen displayed in this thread, I have to believe that most theists are a couple of beers short of a sixpack. Posssibly the result of inbreeding and such.

/trolling

Bevets		2002-08-15 01:42:28 PM

Popain

Jesus belived the Law, jesus believed the punishments. If we were not fulfilling the law, then accordingly we shall be punished according to the law ... the old farking testament.

Romans 3.21 But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished-- 26 he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus. 27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. 28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.

popain		2002-08-15 01:43:34 PM

And also, being an athiest doesn't mean you have to have skill to prove a xian wrong.

And debating on the validity of the bible doesn't mean your an athiest.

And all it takes to be a christian is to believe that jesus saves.

All i'm saying is you might want to seperate your religion from your dogma.

blike		2002-08-15 01:43:43 PM

I'm not telling you what's in your bible.

I'm quoting the bible.

I use the phrase "my Bible" because atheists so often seem to have their own version of the Bible; one that the rest of us Christians have never seen.

You ought to get off your high chair and come down to the real world...

I appreciate the effort. I'll be around incase you ever find something worthwhile.

religion=ignorance		2002-08-15 01:45:37 PM

The key to being a believing Christian is to only answer some of the questions put to you and ignore the others. I told Blike he was a Christian because his parents were and for no other reason, and that under different circumstances he could be a Muslim or Jew and believe it just as much.

His answer was "You lose" I guess his parents were Muslims and he saw through the heresy to become Christian. My apologies.

I guess I can give up on this thread because arguing with a thumper is like arguning with a retard. You can make all the good points you like and they will just pull a big booger out of their nose and claim it is a valid argument against you.

(hee hee, I said booger)

jdogg1988		2002-08-15 01:46:24 PM

no i really think there should be an official

tag.

Who seconds the motion? or however you say that meeting style descisions.

popain		2002-08-15 01:47:57 PM

you're right Blike, I use the Satan's little translation for the heretic atheist's Bible.

CommieSquirrel		2002-08-15 01:53:03 PM

BLike:
ISA 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

There is a major difference between a circle and a sphere.
And why does it say this:

MAT 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

Mountains with xray telescopes.

Even if you were correct that they knew that the Earth was a sphere, why did Christians persecute astronomers in the 15 and 1600s that said the earth was spherical?

karlandtanya		2002-08-15 01:53:15 PM

BrotherLove

Best blown a seal joke:

It was April the 41st, being a quadruple leap year. I was driving in
down-town Atlantis. My Barracuda was in the shop, so I was in a
rented Stingray, and it was over-heating. So, I pulled into a Shell
station. They said I'd blown a seal. I said, "Fix the damned thing,
and leave my private life out of it, okay pal?"

"Wet Dream" by Kip Adotta

blike		2002-08-15 01:53:40 PM

The key to being a believing Christian is to only answer some of the questions put to you and ignore the others.
...

His answer was "You lose" I guess his parents were Muslims and he saw through the heresy to become Christian. My apologies.

My parents were atheists.

CheekyMonkey		2002-08-15 01:54:32 PM

Greasy biatch needs to take more showers. Either that or use less lube while masturbating the priest.

CommieSquirrel		2002-08-15 01:55:37 PM

BruiserX		2002-08-15 01:56:52 PM

My parents were xians and by the age of 5 I knew santa, the tooth fairy and god was all make-believe.

blike		2002-08-15 01:58:12 PM

why did Christians persecute astronomers in the 15 and 1600s that said the earth was spherical?

It wasn't Christians. Galileo was a Christian. It was church leaders. They weren't basing their belief on what the Bible said, they were basing it on beliefs of the time. If it were based on the Bible they wouldn't have persecuted astronomers for saying the earth orbits the sun, or the moon isn't perfectly round.

blike		2002-08-15 02:01:12 PM

Dumb atheist that I am, I guess I would prefer the company of real thinkers who questioned the way things are (aka philsophers, scientists, etc.) in hell (if it existed) than the company of braindead sheep in paradise.

Listen, I'm not trying to call anyone dumb. I would also associate myself with "real thinkers". I'm a scientist (in school to be one, rather). I can think for myself.

You believe what you believe for various reasons. I respect that, as long as you show me that you've thought it out. Even if you havn't thought it out, I don't mind as long as you don't start attacking me. I know what I believe and why I believe it, and so do you; and that I respect.

CheekyMonkey		2002-08-15 02:03:20 PM

"Even if you were correct that they knew that the Earth was a sphere, why did Christians persecute astronomers in the 15 and 1600s that said the earth was spherical?"

CommieSquirrel: Galileo was persecuted by the Catholic hierarchy for proclaiming that the earth revolved around the sun, not for claiming the earth was spherical.

religion=ignorance		2002-08-15 02:05:39 PM

Blike, it took you long enough to come up with that answer. If it were true I am sure you would have given that as your immediate answer. If I had an answer that satisfying I certainly wouldn't have to be prompted three times to give it. Your parents are athiests? You are full of sh*t.

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