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(Chicago Sun-Times)   Dalai Lama plans trip to Chicago. Evangelicals holding workshops on how to try and convert Buddhists to Christianity when they arrive. What could possibly go wrong?   (suntimes.com ) divider line
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2007-04-04 01:13:33 PM  
Somacandra: Seeing as how Buddhism is a missionary tradition alongside Christianity, this should make for some interesting encounters. I have a feeling any Buddhist monks around are going to be much better prepared for this encounter than the laypeople of either tradition.

Sounds like a religious smackdown to me!

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2007-04-04 01:13:47 PM  
Diogenes: Can something be both ancient and trendy?

Yeah, I think the "trendiness" thing is a media creation. Just because Richard Gere happens to be a Vajrayana Buddhist doesn't mean its "trendy." Seems to me Christianity in its many social and ethnic forms is still the trendy and popular thing to do in the United States these days.
 
2007-04-04 01:14:06 PM  
wh0mprat: The vendor smiles and says "Change comes from within."

And that's where Ass Pennies come from.
 
2007-04-04 01:14:08 PM  
muninsfire: Watch "The Life of Brian" and you'll see the scene I have in my mind reading that....

Oh yeah, I know that scene well, but I never thought Brian was all that imposing. :D
 
2007-04-04 01:15:22 PM  
wh0mprat: Dalai Lama then gives the vendor a five, who pockets it.
"Where's my change?" the Dalai Lama asks.
The vendor smiles and says "Change comes from within."


The fourth time that happens, the Dalai Lama would make his knee become one with the vendor's groin. :D
 
2007-04-04 01:15:45 PM  
My strategy: to deny Christ is to accept Him
 
2007-04-04 01:15:47 PM  
IXI Jim IXI: Sounds like a religious smackdown to me!

Have you ever watched Tibetan monks practice debating doctrine with each other? Its actually not too different than that great pic. Its quite physical, and the monks slap their hands together loudly when they make a specific rebuttal to another debater. :)
 
2007-04-04 01:16:09 PM  
This will work just like in Civ IV. The Lama will come, and then there'll be this big "BONG!" noise, and all of Chicago will suddenly turn Buddhist.
 
2007-04-04 01:17:00 PM  
Bonehead

"If the Dali Lama and his followers were to make amends to the people that they hurt, I would be happy."

You know that he's been in exile for almost 50 years don't you? He's not in much of a position to make reparations for anything. Not that he'd think it would matter. From the buddhist point of view isn't the suffering you speak of due to the actions of the sufferers in past incarnations?
 
2007-04-04 01:17:37 PM  
Somacandra: Have you ever watched Tibetan monks practice debating doctrine with each other? Its actually not too different than that great pic. Its quite physical, and the monks slap their hands together loudly when they make a specific rebuttal to another debater. :)

Well, they probably don't use piledrivers, and I don't think any dead popes are involved... ;)
 
2007-04-04 01:17:56 PM  
2007-04-04 11:09:00 AM PianoJosh [TotalFark]
The Buddhists are able to convince the Evangelicals that they don't exist, causing them to spontaneously disappear?

I think I'll watch Left Behind today.
 
2007-04-04 01:18:29 PM  
nastro: This will work just like in Civ IV. The LamaBob Marley will come, and then there'll be this big "BONG!" noise, and all of Chicago will suddenly turn BuddhistRastafarian.
 
2007-04-04 01:18:31 PM  
2007-04-04 01:02:55 PM muninsfire
"Today, religion and government should be separated, yes--but there's little doubt that religion *started* government.

/Divine right of kings and all that, you know?"


You are supposing that religion came first. It is entirely possible that a "king" (or some form of ruler) came first, and invented religion to justify their rule.

Or even more likely, is that the two slowly developed simultaneously.
 
2007-04-04 01:19:57 PM  
It's only exceptional individuals who can stand up for others.

Agreed, but back to my original point: Motive aside, do you feel that the millions of people who call themselves Christians in this country in no way add to the perceived credibility (and thus, influence) of people like Robertson through nothing other than silence or inaction?
 
2007-04-04 01:20:00 PM  
IXI Jim IXI: Oh yeah, I know that scene well, but I never thought Brian was all that imposing. :D

Still...

Somacandra: Have you ever watched Tibetan monks practice debating doctrine with each other? Its actually not too different than that great pic. Its quite physical, and the monks slap their hands together loudly when they make a specific rebuttal to another debater. :)

This I have *got* to see. Sounds like a lot of fun.

/Debataerobics!
//Rebut! Rebut! Rebut! aaand...turn!

nastro: This will work just like in Civ IV. The Lama will come, and then there'll be this big "BONG!" noise, and all of Chicago will suddenly turn Buddhist.

I'd pay to see that...

thelordofcheese: I think I'll watch Left Behind today.

Oh, hey, there you go: the rapture happens when christian evangelicals are enlightened to Buddhist doctrines.

I'm all for that.
 
2007-04-04 01:20:25 PM  
IXI Jim IXI: Well, they probably don't use piledrivers, and I don't think any dead popes are involved... ;)

No, I guess not. Although if the Dalai Lama was complaining of constipation, I'd make him a vodka and prune juice. Now THAT'S a "piledriver." :)

Can't help you with dead Popes though. If the living former Cardinal Ratzinger ever meets Tenzin Gyatso in person, I'll be *very* impressed.
 
2007-04-04 01:22:03 PM  
BergZ
Or even more likely, is that the two slowly developed simultaneously.


Actually, I'm pretty sure shaman falls in second place behind prostitution for world's oldest profession.
 
2007-04-04 01:22:04 PM  
mediaho-- "Not if you're straight."

Just keep it in the closet, where it belongs.
 
2007-04-04 01:22:35 PM  
BergZ: Or even more likely, is that the two slowly developed simultaneously.

And supported each other's development, much like the old practise of planting corn, beans, and squash together. Each grows on its own, but they grow better together.

GnomePaladin: Motive aside, do you feel that the millions of people who call themselves Christians in this country in no way add to the perceived credibility (and thus, influence) of people like Robertson through nothing other than silence or inaction?

I don't--but then, I don't see anybody as speaking for anyone but themselves. I can see where the impression that they would be speaking for others would come from, of course--it's the same thing with the whacko fundamentalist muslim preachers that folks like referring to in order to call Islam violent, or the Republican or Democratic leadership, or any other loud spokesfolks.

It's always the noisy, controversial ones that get the press.
 
2007-04-04 01:23:13 PM  
Diogenes: Can something be both ancient and trendy?

www.frontrowking.com
 
2007-04-04 01:24:51 PM  
muninsfire: Somacandra: Have you ever watched Tibetan monks practice debating doctrine with each other? Its actually not too different than that great pic. Its quite physical, and the monks slap their hands together loudly when they make a specific rebuttal to another debater. :)

This I have *got* to see. Sounds like a lot of fun.


Saw it at Piccolo Spoleto Festival (in Charleston, SC). It was pretty interesting (even in their native tongue). But, the multi-harmonic chanting was WILD! One man, three notes. It was kind of like a set of human bagpipes. Absolutely bonkers, especially when three or four of them did it together. Sounded like an entire room of dudes.
 
2007-04-04 01:25:06 PM  
El Mariaski sez,

Is it just me, or does the Dalai Lama always look like he just farted and isn't trying to laugh:


And thus El Mariaski was enlightened.
 
2007-04-04 01:25:10 PM  
We all know what will go wrong. The evanglical Christians will strap on their explosive laden vests & blow up the hotel. Meanwhile, the muslims will be going door to door for donations.
 
2007-04-04 01:25:39 PM  
Somacandra: Can't help you with dead Popes though. If the living former Cardinal Ratzinger ever meets Tenzin Gyatso in person, I'll be *very* impressed.

Especially if they go best out of three falls ;)
 
2007-04-04 01:26:17 PM  
JohnBigBootay

You know that he's been in exile for almost 50 years don't you? He's not in much of a position to make reparations for anything. Not that he'd think it would matter. From the buddhist point of view isn't the suffering you speak of due to the actions of the sufferers in past incarnations?


No no...you're right, he's in no position to make reparations. Not from any of the money he gets from tours. Not from the donations people give him. No position at all...

And I'm sure that those people would rather have food in their stomachs then learn how they are suffering because of something from a past life. The Chinese government might not be nice, but at least they brought in some secular infrastructure. If this is really a lesson for the Lama, they should spend the next 1000 years in exile...
 
2007-04-04 01:26:43 PM  
2007-04-04 01:22:03 PM AcadianSidhe
"Actually, I'm pretty sure shaman falls in second place behind prostitution for world's oldest profession."

Right but "the world's oldest profession" is just a sly term for politics, right? ;)
 
2007-04-04 01:27:39 PM  
BergZ: Right but "the world's oldest profession" is just a sly term for politics, right? ;)

Either way, we're talking about whorin'
 
2007-04-04 01:28:23 PM  
Website for the visit:

http://www.dalailamachicago.com/

Looks like he's giving a specific Teaching talk and a more general public talk.

His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama will give commentary on the 11th Century meditator Langri Thangpa's root text on training the mind. A teaching on how to cultivate the deeper human values of compassion and kindness, qualities which are embraced by all religious traditions and a topic that the Dalai Lama strongly advocates to audiences during his many travels around the world.

Ahh, according to a Google, Mr. Thangpa (1054-1123) was "A prominent monk of the Kadampa school. He was so called because he founded the Langri Thangpa monastery, situated to the northeast of Lhasa. He is the author of the famous Kadampa text: "Eight Verses for Training the Mind."

I dunno. You just can't trust those 11th century Kadampa monks. Always walking around like their Buddhanature didn't poop and stink.
 
2007-04-04 01:28:44 PM  
IXI Jim IXI
Either way, we're talking about whorin'

Pretty much
 
2007-04-04 01:29:05 PM  
kyuzokai: But, the multi-harmonic chanting was WILD!

I've been wanting to learn how to do that, just for shiats and giggles. I wonder if they give lessons...

/Kinda like kung-fu, you know?
 
2007-04-04 01:29:10 PM  
Religious peoples:

There's no way to prove that any of you are right! So STFU!
 
2007-04-04 01:29:28 PM  
Interserve USA is putting on the workshops to teach Christians how to talk to Buddhists and, perhaps, to win converts.


I farking farking hate these type of people with a farking vengeance.

Missionaries preaching to some tribe in the outer reaches of civilisation; Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses and alike knocking at your door....

Fark off, you arrogant, presumptious pieces of shiats before I punch you in the farking face and piss on your 'sacred' texts.
 
2007-04-04 01:29:51 PM  
2007-04-04 01:27:39 PM IXI Jim IXI
BergZ: Right but "the world's oldest profession" is just a sly term for politics, right? ;)
"Either way, we're talking about whorin'"


Strangely enough one outlawed the other! I guess politicians just couldn't stand the competition.
 
2007-04-04 01:30:14 PM  
kyuzokai: ut, the multi-harmonic chanting was WILD! One man, three notes.

Oh yeah, the harmonic overtone chanting. That's just so unearthly and powerful. Excellent stuff for personal meditation, and just really really trippy to see in person.
 
2007-04-04 01:30:15 PM  
muninsfire - It's only exceptional individuals who can stand up for others.

We should all strive to be 'exceptional' individuals, don't you think? I won't copypasta the famed Martin Niemoller quote because I'm sure you know it. Who will be exceptional when you're the last one left?
 
2007-04-04 01:30:18 PM  
Somacandra: What's a little yak butter between actual and potential realizations of universal Buddhamind?

In that case, I find it helps to have a buttersattva.
 
2007-04-04 01:30:24 PM  
Hickory-smoked-- "Actually, there are quite a number of Atheists who are Buddhists. Belief in an all-powerful deity is not a requirement."

I have never met an atheist Buddhist. It's sort of like denying existence.

Maybe it's just a rejection of some twisted notion of deity, which is really just getting caught up in Western dualistic word games. But, sitting zazen usually clears that up, in time.
 
2007-04-04 01:30:38 PM  
El Mariaski: Is it just me, or does the Dalai Lama always look like he just farted and is trying not to laugh

It's not coincidence that Nirvana and fart jokes cause the same expression on the face of the enlightened.
 
2007-04-04 01:32:06 PM  
Don't be angry at the evangelicals. They're doing what what Jesus said to do:

Matthew 28:19-20 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations blah blah blah etc.


That's not what Jesus said. It's what somebody ghost writing a rewrite of what somebody believed a long dead follower of Jesus was told Jesus said. Big difference.
Christians love to think their precious book is a verbatim and contemporaneous account of what Jesus said, but the Book of Matthew was written at least two generations after he died, and was just a rehash of Mark's equally hearsay account anyway.

And yes, it's highly amusing that a bunch of evangelicals think they can convert Buddhists to their faith. If Christians could step outside their 'faith' for 10 minutes and see just how ridiculous their beliefs look to non-Christians then they'd be converting to Buddhism in their droves.
 
2007-04-04 01:32:53 PM  
muninsfire: I don't--but then, I don't see anybody as speaking for anyone but themselves.

Fair enough. That is a viewpoint I wish more people shared. Sadly, I think you're in the minority there.
 
2007-04-04 01:33:29 PM  
Could be trouble. I hear he's a big hitter, the lama.
 
2007-04-04 01:33:32 PM  
BergZ: Strangely enough one outlawed the other! I guess politicians just couldn't stand the competition.

I think they didn't like the restriction on "ass to mouth"
 
2007-04-04 01:33:35 PM  
zooklaw7
Religious peoples:
There's no way to prove that any of you are right! So STFU!


that's my thing. I consider it arrogant to act like you have all the answers. No one knows- faith is how some of us deal with not knowing. It's not about proof or fact, and both sides should quit worrying about it as far as religion is concerned. Truth does not always equal fact, and it is unwise to have beliefs that you are not willing to change, because we are always gathering new informtation.

But that's just my .02
 
2007-04-04 01:33:59 PM  
Ms.Maus: We should all strive to be 'exceptional' individuals, don't you think?

There's a difference between what should be and what is.

I don't spend much time these days wishing for 'should'--I simply observe what is, and work with that.

rogersnowden: I have never met an atheist Buddhist. It's sort of like denying existence.

Call me crazy, but I think that'd work out really well. ;-þ
 
2007-04-04 01:35:25 PM  
GnomePaladin: Fair enough. That is a viewpoint I wish more people shared. Sadly, I think you're in the minority there.

*shrug* Spread it around if you want, and maybe it'll catch on. I haven't figured out how to package it virally yet--still finishing up my notion on how to hijack a few different hysterias in order to get the corn syrup out of my ketchup.
 
2007-04-04 01:35:59 PM  
rogersnowden: I have never met an atheist Buddhist. It's sort of like denying existence.

Sort of like denying an uncaused cause as a matter of fact.
 
2007-04-04 01:36:11 PM  
Lilmama: Don't be angry at the evangelicals. They're doing what what Jesus said to do:

Matthew 28:19-20 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."

To do what Jesus says to do is not presumptuous, arrogant, or disrespectful. It's an act of love toward God and toward a fellow human being. Happy Easter.


I'm sure if you went and selected other tracts from the bible you can make like homosexuals should be killed, and it will be the will of God.


Still doesn't make it farking right, does it? Farking presumptuous, arrogant, and disrespectful dumbass coont.


Oh, Happy Easter too. I love them chocolate bunnies.
 
2007-04-04 01:36:40 PM  
I like the Lama. He's a nice guy. I'm sure Jesus was a nice guy, too. I bet if there was some giant anomaly of space and time and the two of them could have a talk, everyone would realize how farking stupid being overly zealous is.

And that's all I have to say about that.
 
2007-04-04 01:37:26 PM  
What would Jesus do? Probably not this.
 
2007-04-04 01:38:08 PM  
rogersnowden: "Not if you're straight."

Just keep it in the closet, where it belongs.


I seem to remember Jesus saying something about keeping something in the closet but I don't think it was one's boning preferences.

Matthew, 6:5-6
 
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