If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Chicago Sun-Times)   Dalai Lama plans trip to Chicago. Evangelicals holding workshops on how to try and convert Buddhists to Christianity when they arrive. What could possibly go wrong?   (suntimes.com) divider line 512
    More: Stupid  
•       •       •

12957 clicks; posted to Main » on 04 Apr 2007 at 11:57 AM (7 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



512 Comments   (+0 »)
   

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | » | Last | Show all
 
2007-04-04 12:04:08 PM
Limama and Foobert :

You are both right. Note that spreading the teaching of God and trying to forcefully convert someone (forceful also means constant persuation) are completely different.

The Christians can preach the word of God freely and they should, and nothing wrong comes out of it. The Buddhists can preach their way of live and nothing wrong comes out of it.

The most interesting thing is that the only ones who think something wrong comes out it are

a) fanatics (of any given religion).
b) those who think Christians are evil and that Christians try to forcefully convert someone every chance thye get. Unsurprisingly, a surprising majority of Farkers would fall into this category.

The only thing that I could see possibly going wrong, is Chinese assassins sent to assassinate Dalai Lama. As I understand, they've been trying to get him for a long time, which is why Lama is a refugee in India.
 
2007-04-04 12:04:50 PM
I'm an atheist and I have a lot of problems with Christianity, but I don't see what the big deal is about them trying to win converts. If they really believe what they claim to believe, they're supposed to convince others. They're not supposed to think the Budhists or Muslims have it right. Don't all religiouns arrogantly assume they have it right? Isn't that what faith is all about? Frankly, I would little pissed if the people farking up my country were doing it for reasons that they didn't even believe in.

What's with all this respect for the Dali Lama anyway? Doesn't he claim to be the reincarnation of the Buddha? That's nonsense not worthy of my respect.

Plus, it would be funny as hell if the Dali Lama converted. Or if he converted the Pope to Budhism.
 
2007-04-04 12:07:34 PM
Well, at least it's not proselytization by the sword. It is not the place of men to coerce others into following their ideals.
 
2007-04-04 12:07:38 PM
If you are a Christian, You are helping to perpetuate the same false, superstitious, flat-earth, bullshiat doctrine that the curch has been using to repress and exploit mankind for two milenia, and you should be ashamed of yourself for being so willfully stupid.
 
2007-04-04 12:08:17 PM
What's with all this respect for the Dali Lama anyway? Doesn't he claim to be the reincarnation of the Buddha?

No.
 
2007-04-04 12:08:57 PM
Why bother when this is all you need?
 
2007-04-04 12:09:45 PM
I think the Dalai Lama would make a fine christian.
 
2007-04-04 12:09:45 PM
I think that's the first time I've ever heard Buddhism referred to as "trendy"...
 
2007-04-04 12:09:56 PM
christianity converted me to buddhism
 
2007-04-04 12:10:31 PM
vernonFL:
I agree with your viewpoint. Jesus didn't preach to create christians, he wanted people to be in sync with God's law, and it is possible that buddhists are fulfilling that role; I am not informed enough on buddhism to speculate however.
 
2007-04-04 12:10:31 PM
GristleDick
If you are a Christian, You are helping to perpetuate the same false, superstitious, flat-earth, bullshiat doctrine that the curch has been using to repress and exploit mankind for two milenia, and you should be ashamed of yourself for being so willfully stupid.


And you are being as bigoted as some ignorant fundamentalist Christians.

What goes on it people's heads is none of your business.
 
2007-04-04 12:10:33 PM
Riche
I wouldn't be surprised if there were more Christian--> Buddhist conversions than the other way around.


Speaking of that. I have an aunt(my step-mother's sister) who lives in Chicago and has been a Buddhist for over 20 years. The real cool thing is that she is also a judge in Chicago as well.
 
2007-04-04 12:10:42 PM
jarbabyj: It's interesting, because I saw a woman on the train the other day reading a book called Living Buddha, Living Christ, and I forgot to look it up online. I don't know if it combines Budddhism and Christianity or contrasts them, but I think I could really hang out with a combo of these two religions, particularly because of my anxiety disorder and stuff. Christianity doesn't give me the peace that I've often sought because too many people answer my questions with "don't worry, Jesus is coming to get us soon and you won't need to pay your bills!".

When you compare and contrast the most prominent world religions, the really important stuff is basically the same - soze summed it up nicely - "don't be a dick." Joseph Campbell spent his career comparing the different mythologies of the world and concluded that the main themes of the stories from cultures divided by space and time were so similar, they must point to fundamental truths about who we are as a species - our hopes, fears, aspirations, etc. Regardless of whether or not one thinks of religion as mythology, the same principal applies - we should be focusing more on the big things we have in common rather than the small things that divide us. We can learn to live together and learn a lot about ourselves in the process.
 
2007-04-04 12:10:55 PM
What's the point of having a religion if you don't believe it's the right one? If they said, nah, don't convert, you can burn in hell, you'd be snarking them as hypocrits.

When I say to them (and this includes my relative that won't just give up) "leave me be", I mean it. If they acknowledged my wishes, I might not have an attitude and would not call them hypocrites.
 
2007-04-04 12:11:06 PM
I'm going to hell, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2007-04-04 12:11:18 PM
StandsWithAFist
I think that's the first time I've ever heard Buddhism referred to as "trendy"...

Pay more attention to celebrity lifestyle. It's up there with Kabbalah.
 
2007-04-04 12:11:28 PM
GristleDick: If you are a Christian, You are helping to perpetuate the same false, superstitious, flat-earth, bullshiat doctrine that the curch has been using to repress and exploit mankind for two milenia, and you should be ashamed of yourself for being so willfully stupid.

Not really.

Many of 'em are just trying to find their way in a world that doesn't make much sense. Mostly harmless.

It's the (sadly, very loud) minority that gets the press.
 
2007-04-04 12:11:58 PM
He hauls off and whacks one---big hitter, the Lama---long, into a ten-thousand foot crevasse, right at the base of this glacier. Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-galunga. So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consiousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.
 
2007-04-04 12:12:02 PM
I'm very glad he's got 3 bathrooms in the suite. 1 to pee. 1 to poo. 1 to get away from it all. I hope there's at least one without a phone but I doubt it.

Wouldn't it be funny if the evangelicals got the phone numbers for the bathroom phones?
 
2007-04-04 12:12:21 PM
Hey, Lama, how about a little something, you know, for the effort.
 
2007-04-04 12:12:41 PM
It is important to remember that Jesus never coerced anyone. People followed him because what he spoke of "hits home" with people. (some folks, anyways)
 
2007-04-04 12:13:14 PM
PianoJosh
The Buddhists are able to convince the Evangelicals that they don't exist, causing them to spontaneously disappear?

Some would argue thats the best thing that could happen
 
2007-04-04 12:13:36 PM
Big hitter, the Lama.
 
2007-04-04 12:14:23 PM
jarbabyj
It's interesting, because I saw a woman on the train the other day reading a book called Living Buddha, Living Christ, and I forgot to look it up online. I don't know if it combines Budddhism and Christianity or contrasts them

The book you are referring to is written by Thich Nhat Hanh, a Vietnamese Zen Buddhist teacher and a rather amazing thinker. His books are well worth a read (and this is coming from an atheist). You can find them all at www.parallaxpress.org, including "Living Buddha Living Christ."

For what it's worth, one of his teachings is that no child should be taught ANY religion.
 
2007-04-04 12:14:31 PM
GristleDick:
what you speak of is paulist christianity, and not true christianity. Paul was a man such as we are, and the church's laws were created by men (some of them). A true christian need not be a part of any group.
 
2007-04-04 12:15:49 PM
muninsfire: It's the (sadly, very loud) minority that gets the press.

But it's the (sadly, very quiet) majority that gives the nuts a power base.
 
2007-04-04 12:16:14 PM
GristleDick has a point. You may think he's wrong or you may think he's an asshole for making it the way he did, but the point, I think, is this. Christianity, as an institution, is backwards, bigoted, and antithetical to scientific thought and social progress. If you are a Christian, you are supporting that institution regardless of your personal reasons for doing so.
 
2007-04-04 12:16:27 PM
My limited experience with buddhists is with Thai buddhists. I just think they'll ignore the christians. I do remember reading a quote by some thai foreign minister concerning missionaries... he said something to the effect that parts of christianity have a nice message, but on the whole it's absurd anyone would believe it.
 
2007-04-04 12:16:30 PM
The Fark Chicago trivia players should see if he's up for a night of cheap beer and trivia.
 
2007-04-04 12:16:46 PM
AcadianSidhe [TotalFark]

eh, I think too many people idolize the Lama. Buddhism is cool, but he's just a person, and I don't think he's better than everyone else.

---------

in buddhism, everyone is "just a person" and nobody idolized Lama any more than people do the pope. i would say, it's more admiration than idolization.
 
2007-04-04 12:17:20 PM
GnomePaladin: But it's the (sadly, very quiet) majority that gives the nuts a power base.

What power base? I don't think that most of 'em actually care what the minority's doing.

If I'm sitting in the park reading, and a lynch mob comes by, did I help the lynch mob by ignoring 'em?
 
2007-04-04 12:17:24 PM
Because only one grammar comment is not sufficient for a mistake so egregious:

AND and TO are NOT the same word!
 
2007-04-04 12:18:11 PM
Do you think the buddhists are down with genocide like the God of Abraham?

Joshua 6:21
 
2007-04-04 12:18:24 PM
we_hates
GristleDick has a point. You may think he's wrong or you may think he's an asshole for making it the way he did, but the point, I think, is this. Christianity, as an institution, is backwards, bigoted, and antithetical to scientific thought and social progress.


I'd argue against that if only because many (if not most) of our technological and scientific discoveries came about from war, which often came about because of religion.
 
2007-04-04 12:18:43 PM
autonoe? is right, it's a great book. He preceded it by a book called "Going Home: Jesus and Buddha as Brothers." It's good stuff...

/Buddhist
 
2007-04-04 12:19:05 PM
I agree that there's no harm in telling the Lama (big hitter the Lama) about Jesus.

I'm just figurin' he's probably already heard about him already. Tibet's got Internet.
 
2007-04-04 12:19:11 PM
acadiahsidhe

"eh, I think too many people idolize the Lama. Buddhism is cool, but he's just a person, and I don't think he's better than everyone else."

He COMPLETELY agrees with you.
 
2007-04-04 12:19:12 PM
It should be fine but I still keep hoping the Lama whips out a lightsaber at some point.
 
2007-04-04 12:19:12 PM
The Gospel is a work of fiction, we might as well be quoting Bat Man comics.

This is a great book, (copy+paste) /lazy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Canticle_for_Leibowitz
 
2007-04-04 12:19:35 PM
"We welcome the Dalai Lama here, but we also want to have a chance to reach Tibetan Buddhists with the gospel," said Doug Van Bronkhorst, executive director of Interserve, an international missionary group based just outside of Philadelphia.

No, Doug. If you are using the Dalai Lama's visit as an opportunity to convert his followers and cut him off at the knees, you are NOT welcoming the Dalai Lama. You are doing the religious version of a drive-by.
 
2007-04-04 12:19:50 PM
dryknife


Wondered how long it would be before a caddyshack reference showed up. Nice job there.
 
2007-04-04 12:19:53 PM
Interestingly enough, if you look at the regions where these two religions exist, it's not hard to speculate some interaction VERY early on... mainly that Jesus probably got himself a good dose of quasi-buddhism while he was wandering around all those years.

That's my solution. Jesus and Buddha chillin' under a bodhi tree...sipping tea.
 
2007-04-04 12:20:07 PM
If these Christians believe that they are right and everyone else has it wrong, shouldn't they be doing exactly what they are doing?

I mean, if they did anything less, wouldn't they just be half-assed believers?

Anything less than the attempt to convert nonbelievers would be hypocritical, if you claim to believe what you believe.

//didnt RTA.
 
2007-04-04 12:20:13 PM
AcadianSidhe: I'd argue against that if only because many (if not most) of our technological and scientific discoveries came about from war, which often came about because of religion.

I agree with the first part but war always comes from someone wanting someone else's shiat; religion is just a great recruiting tool.
 
2007-04-04 12:20:19 PM
we_hates:
as I stated earlier a true christian does not need to be a part of any organized group to still follow the teachings of Jesus. Benny Franklin edited a copy of the bible to give to native americans, but he wasn't a "christian" in an organized sense.
 
2007-04-04 12:20:28 PM
AuntofDogface

My vitriol is not limited to Christianity - it goes for all religions. If I want to be preached to, I'll let you know

I feel the same way about a lot of marketing in general. I'm tired of being sold to.

Don't put ads on every available flat surface, don't approach me in a store when I'm browsing, and don't tell me about your god. I'll find my own way, thanks.
 
2007-04-04 12:21:33 PM
Lilmama

Don't be angry at the evangelicals. They're doing what what Jesus said to do:

To do what Jesus says to do is not presumptuous, arrogant, or disrespectful. It's an act of love toward God and toward a fellow human being. Happy Easter.


It's been said, but it's worth repeating. I think Christians, in general, would get alot more mileage if they actually practiced what they preached.
The irony is that Buddhists are less about preaching and all about doing.
Like my favorite zen proverb: before zen, chop wood, carry water. after zen, chop wood, carry water.
 
2007-04-04 12:22:04 PM
I will say this about Christianity trying to win converts - I would be all for it if they actually did it they way they were instructed to - by turning the other cheek, going the extra mile, and helping those in need. If they really did what they were supposed to you would here people say, I don't agree with those Christians, but damn they make the world a better place.
 
2007-04-04 12:22:08 PM
I'm not sure what submitter thinks could "possibly go wrong." Buddhists are typically mellow, tolerant and unlikely to start any static.
 
2007-04-04 12:22:28 PM
Threats of hellfire and damnation aside, are there any actual threats of violence, or conversion by the sword?

Thought not. Save your rants for the Religion of Peace(tm).
 
Displayed 50 of 512 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | » | Last | Show all



This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report