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(Rolling Stone)   Howard Hunt's deathbed confession: The CIA assassinated JFK. And then he named names   (rollingstone.com) divider line 54
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2007-04-04 01:35:56 AM
Wow, read all of that. Interesting article.
 
2007-04-04 02:32:32 AM
And most likely complete bullshiat. This information is from the son, not the source.

This Frontline show on Oswald demonstrates that there was no "magic bullet", that everything that happened in Dallas can be explained with one shooter from the book storage building:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/oswald/view/ (pops)

And subby gets a metaphorical -1 for the headline. It's E. Howard Hunt, not Howard Hunt -- to differentiate the crazy that broke into the Watergate vs. the crazy who built the Spruce Goose.
 
2007-04-04 02:58:18 AM
Okay I just realized I'm the idiot. I was thinking Howard Hughes. Subby gets their metaphorical +1 back.

But the rest of my statement stands.
 
2007-04-04 04:39:39 AM
This information is from the son

Mike Hunt?

/sorry
 
2007-04-04 04:42:52 AM
E. Howard Hunt = rhyming slang
 
2007-04-04 04:44:30 AM
EstoniaKat: And subby gets a metaphorical -1 for the headline. It's E. Howard Hunt, not Howard Hunt -- to differentiate the crazy that broke into the Watergate vs. the crazy who built the Spruce Goose.

-1
Howard Hughes was the one who had the Spruce Goose built. . .unless you were being deliberately disingenuous, in which case you get a +1
 
2007-04-04 05:02:12 AM
EstoniaKat

Howard Hunt built the Spruce Caboose.
 
2007-04-04 05:02:32 AM
LOL at E. Howard Hughes.

Is that kind of like N Ron. Hubbard?
 
2007-04-04 05:18:52 AM
I ate at an authentic Mexican restaurant this weekend with Howard Hunt. He made the wicked Loose Deuce.
 
2007-04-04 05:38:02 AM
"I cannot escape feeling," he said at the time, "that the country I have served for my entire life and which directed me to carry out the Watergate entry is punishing me for doing the very things it trained and directed me to do."

Wow. And still it goes on.
 
2007-04-04 05:39:07 AM
If it IS true. Let's just say it WAS true. Then...LBJ Had JFK Shot to get the presidency, and as part of the condition, stepped down in 68 and gave it to Nixon...Hmm One little speed bump...RFK. Sirhan Sirhan denies ever shooting RFK just like Oswald did JFK. Lets just pretend for a moment, that Oswald was just a patsy...And Sirhan was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, that would be, The single greatest news event in the history of the USA. Heh. Funny thing is, shiat like that has been going on in royal histories of europe since time began. So...For all the trouble we went through to create a new nation away from the tyranny of kings and queens, we end up just like them. Eh, pass me another nacho please :-)
 
2007-04-04 05:56:40 AM
Alright... after reading the whole thing over, I have to admit it's hard to believe. After all, we're hearing all of this second-hand through an admitted drug user, criminal, and bum. Normally I would have suspected that someone was trying to sell something, except for the fact that the article actually tells us who St. John's father claims helped kill JFK (instead of making us buy a book or something like that).

If it is true, though, it's quite a story. There are no heroes to be found in there, to be sure.
 
2007-04-04 06:16:10 AM
I read this article last week when it was a redlight on TF and I have to say what I found most interesting was in the comments section, where the OTHER brother stated "more to come soon."

david hunt | 3/24/2007, 1:16 am EST

The LA Times dismissed this "evidence" as inconclusive. Funny thing is they never examined it beyond a glimpse. 60 minutes on the other hand had hand writting analysis done on the notes..... no funny business found, its the real deal.When we decided to make this information public I knew that both my brother and I would be under suspicion. That is exactly why I brought Eric Hamberg on board to inspect the evidence, speak with my father and put some of these important pieces together. Eric Hamburg would have no interest in deceiving the american public. He was almost solely responsible for getting JFK documents
declassified. I think the new Rolling Stone story was exceptional. More to come soon.


Emphasis is mine.
 
2007-04-04 07:29:31 AM
The CIA did not have JFK killed. I know this because I know who did. Unfortunately, because I learned this in a conversation covered by attorney-client privilege, in one of those state where the death of the client is irrelevant to the duty to keep the secret; nobody else gets to share on this one.
 
2007-04-04 07:56:57 AM
I think the CIA, Mafia, Cuba, KKK, FBI, LBJ, GOP wanted to kill JFK, but Oswald got to him before they could.
 
2007-04-04 08:22:33 AM
Pure BS. The US gov't is (and always has been) far too honest and upright to do anything shady. Nixon said he wasn't a crook, and I believe him.

Just like today: Some people are saying the GOP is dishonest, but they're just a bunch of liars. You can always trust your government to have your best interests at heart. The US government is only corrupt when Demoncrats are in charge.

/Okay, I can't continue this with a straight face. Those who trust their gov't get what they deserve.
 
2007-04-04 08:34:04 AM
"Those who trust their gov't get what they deserve."

Just curious, what do you get if you trust your government? You do not trust your government, what do you get? I assume you know someone who does trust their government...what did they get, and how is it different from what you get?
 
2007-04-04 09:08:00 AM
If this is total bullshiat then what about the audio recording mentioned at the end of the story? That would be straight from the source - not his son.

It's pretty interesting the way that guy's wife died too.
 
2007-04-04 09:35:57 AM
Magorn

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2007-04-04 09:37:13 AM
Johnson had to be involved. It's well documented that if Kennedy had run for re-election, Johnson would not have been included on the ticket. He was involved in a number of scandals at the time and his political career was coming to a end.

Instead, JFK goes down in the heart of LBJ Country, the scandals are wiped away, and Johnson is the President.

The government is shady. Always has been. Always will be.

If you think Oswald did it himself, you prolly also believe a dozen flight school dropouts, armed with boxcutters and led by a dude in a cave pulled off what might have been the first sucessful attack on the American mainland since 1812.

Politics are so profoundly scary and sad at the same time.
Just overwhelming.
 
2007-04-04 09:45:22 AM
The driver shot kennedy.... lern to watch the video.
 
2007-04-04 09:47:53 AM
akrasia - your tin foil hat supplier since February 21, 2006.

Johnson had to be might have been involved. It's well documented rumoured that if Kennedy had run for re-election, Johnson would not have been included on the ticket.

Made it more sensible for ya.
 
2007-04-04 10:05:18 AM
ElPresidente - We have plenty of blindfolds and earplugs in stock if that's what you prefer.
 
2007-04-04 10:13:01 AM
akrasia: We have plenty of blindfolds and earplugs in stock if that's what you prefer.

What - after they've been used by you? No thanks.
 
2007-04-04 10:17:09 AM
I was interested until finding out that the un-employed, convicted felon, ex-meth addict had the info in his posession.

At that point I realized it's all bullshiat.
 
2007-04-04 10:24:31 AM
" he had no problem contemplating the use of firebombs and once thought about slathering LSD on the steering wheel of an unfriendly newspaperman's car"

I told you he was hardcore.
 
2007-04-04 10:26:45 AM
I read all of it too and I come away with a few things: I already believed Lucien Sarti and the CIA killed JFK. Also, it's too late. The public doesn't care. Lastly, but certainly not least, E. Howard Hunt was an asshole and if there's a Hell, he's frying in it. Bad father, bad citizen, and a bad person. Suffer, bastard.

One more thing, 1963 is when the military industrial complex really saw what it could do. Now we have elected "representatives" passing things like the Patriot Act, and we also find that the NSA and CIA are above having to tell the Department of Justice anything about spying on Americans because those in Congress don't have sufficient clearance.
 
2007-04-04 10:39:08 AM
I once assassinated JFK so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...
 
2007-04-04 10:42:06 AM
I always wanted to ask Lee Harvey Oswald: "Do you remember where you were when you found out JFK had been assassinated?"
 
2007-04-04 11:13:16 AM
After reading the whole article it seems to be much more likely this is just a plot to make money some how.

The father either tried to help his unemployed son on his deathbed or the son is trying to make money off of the JFK conspiracy theories.

Being poor, unemployed, ex-drug addict, somewhat bitter because you believe your father and mother were mistreated by the government... and you have people offering millions for your father to say there was a JFK conspiracy, pretty serious motivation.

That's my take anyways.
 
2007-04-04 11:16:50 AM
ElPresidente: E. Howard Hunt = rhyming slang

clever.
 
2007-04-04 11:17:58 AM
That article screams "my dad is famous gimme stuff"
 
2007-04-04 11:33:51 AM
Sure. I'll believe this when a Nazi becomes Pope.
 
2007-04-04 11:48:34 AM

While most of the essay might be absolute bullshiat, this little gem isn't:

That the country repaid him with almost three years in prison was something he could never understand, if only because the orders that got him in such trouble came right from the top...
It's never the guys at the top -- the ones that really give the orders -- that pay the price of the illegality. Just ask Janis Karpinski or Scooter Libby or Kyle Sampson.
 
2007-04-04 12:12:39 PM
E. Howard Hunt was not a good guy. Was there anything linked on Fark when he died? I couldn't find anything...
 
2007-04-04 12:40:55 PM
www.arete-eci.com
 
2007-04-04 12:50:48 PM
akrasia: If you think Oswald did it himself, you prolly also believe a dozen flight school dropouts, armed with boxcutters and led by a dude in a cave pulled off what might have been the first sucessful attack on the American mainland since 1812.

Why, yes I do! Considering, oh, I don't know...all the evidence and eyewitnesses corroborate that scenario?

But let me guess, in your heart you just *know* the government was behind 9/11, from the very first moment!

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2007-04-04 12:52:27 PM
When it comes to the Kennedy assassination, it's easier to figure out who didn't have a motive than who did.

-Mobsters were pissed, because Papa Joe had them deliver Ohio (or whatever state) and then JFK turns around and declares war on the mafia. (To be fair, it was RFK, but JFK signed the order.)

-CIA were pissed because he was going to break up the department due to the CIA's massive corruption and incompetence. (Bay of Pigs fiasco.)

-Johnson was pissed because JFK was going to pull out of 'Nam, costing Johnson millions in lost revenue from his holdings in the military-industrial complex. (I think his wife owned a company that made attack helicopters.)

And so on and so on...

/Tin foil hatter extraordinaire.
//There were 2 real conspiracies; Fluoride and the JFK assassination.
 
2007-04-04 12:54:12 PM
An interesting article, true or not. I have my own thoughts about who killed JFK.

I overheard someone mention Billie Sol Estes' involvement, but then who knows? It was a weird conversation. I think he thought he was involved in everything.

/Absolute power corrupts absolutely
 
2007-04-04 01:17:57 PM
ONE of the Lee Harvey Oswalds acted alone
 
2007-04-04 01:25:51 PM
zerkalo: ONE of the Lee Harvey Oswalds acted alone

Excellllllentttttttt.
 
2007-04-04 01:48:02 PM
Wait a minute. Hunt said that he refused to be involved in the JFK shooting, but then he turned up as one of the three "bums" on the the grassy knoll.

More lies and disinformation. He knew his meth-head son would sell this story to the media when he needed the cash.
 
2007-04-04 01:49:59 PM
I know it was only Lee Harvey Oswald. How you ask? I saw it on Quantum Leap, and since I saw it on TV, its gotta be true!
 
2007-04-04 02:35:37 PM
akrasia: If you think Oswald did it himself, you prolly also believe a dozen flight school dropouts, armed with boxcutters and led by a dude in a cave pulled off what might have been the first sucessful attack on the American mainland since 1812.

You're quite correct. They didn't do it alone.
They were helped by the incompetance and ignorance of the administration at the time.

Do not always attribute to malice what could easily be the result of stupidity.
 
2007-04-04 05:13:15 PM
Interesting stuff. Just too bad this is all coming from the words of a dying old man through his (ex?) druggie son.
 
2007-04-04 05:45:31 PM
bingethinker: Wait a minute. Hunt said that he refused to be involved in the JFK shooting, but then he turned up as his son thought he saw his dad as one of the three "bums" on the the grassy knoll.

that's what i thought about too...(with noted differences)
 
2007-04-04 08:36:30 PM
I jsut don't get the "conspiracy buff" thing. Do people get some kind of dark and twisted pleasure out of spinning these fantasies? Is it a feeling of superiority, of being wiser than the "ignorant masses" of "sheeple"? What is wrong with people?
 
2007-04-04 08:44:16 PM
Crazier things have been true. E. Howard Hunt was involved in some nasty shiat, and probably went to his grave with a lot of ghosts and skeletons. Rolling Stone is not exactly an unreliable blog, and 60 minutes shows some truthiness. As a student of the Watergate era, and poly scientist. The article has a ring of interest to it. Let's face it E. Howard Hunt was no stoolie, and was privy to a lot of high level shiat.

I would not totally dismiss this as a complete fraud, nor would I accept it as the gospel.

For you youngsters, read "All the Presidents Men." These guys were totally dismissed as crack heads for quite a long time during their research. No one...literally no one gave their story any credence.
 
2007-04-04 09:47:32 PM
Bill O'Riley does a story on the CIA connections of Lee Harvey Oswald:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AQdphWO2SQ
 
2007-04-04 10:19:05 PM
akrasia Johnson had to be involved. It's well documented that if Kennedy had run for re-election, Johnson would not have been included on the ticket.

I've never read that before, source? Johnson needed LBJ to shore up the southern vote. Their styles didn't match up but both of them needed one another. Plus LBJ was about the only southern Dem that was pro-civil rights.

He was involved in a number of scandals at the time and his political career was coming to a end.

LBJ was surrounded by scandal probably 80% of this life, starting from stealing elections in college. Somehow he always managed to squeek it out.
 
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