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2007-04-03 02:07:17 PM
THX-

Where is Napolean from?

C
Co
Cor
Cors...
Damn, it's on the tip of my tongue
 
2007-04-03 02:07:50 PM
Hideously Gigantic Smurf: Then obviously you've never been to Japan. You wanna talk about a xenophobic, misogynistic culture? Barbara Boxer would have a shiznit-fit!

Nope, haven't been there, but, so far, all the Asian people that I've meet and befriended have been quite nice, maybe the problem isn't them? Maybe if you stated being an american, and how you might have done it might have something with it?

Psst... just so you know, one thing that I make sure is let people know that if there's one thing that I'm not, is an american. Racists on their part you say? nah... read closely, you americans are pissing people off, it's not racism, it's about wanting to hurl in your general direction due to your pompous attitude.
 
2007-04-03 02:08:19 PM
Isn't Napolean from Corsica??
 
2007-04-03 02:09:44 PM
mvf-

Yes, and sorry my typo led you astray, Napoleon
 
2007-04-03 02:10:42 PM
Hideously Gigantic Smurf

Although it was a while ago... didnt you do the whole "fighting over here" thang with the civil war?
 
2007-04-03 02:10:54 PM
Snarfangel: Without knowing where you are from or which countries you have visited, it makes it hard to argue with. But I expect you realize that.

hehehe... what can I say? I'm not gonna play THAT card... I'd end up looking like I'm using the "I work for...so I'm getting a kick out of your replies" cliche.

I'll just state that I deal with more political stuff, have seen and lived a little more than the common folks.
 
2007-04-03 02:15:40 PM
Chaim Witz

If the USA hadn't brought the fight to the Western Front, Russia would have collapsed. Britain would have collapsed. We gave all of Europe their freedom. It's a shame that France is so eager to forget.

You can say the same about many of the other allies. It was a close thing. If Britain had sat out the war France would have not been recovered. Maybe if Australia had not fought, the war would have gone the other way; in the Pacific and European theaters.

And no, Russia would not have collapsed. They may have pulled out of parts of Western Europe without American materiel, but the eastern front was unwinnable for Germany in any case.

Your disregard for the role of anyone but the USA in that war is frankly apalling. You act as if we came along and picked the poor helpless Europeans out of the mud and singlehandedly saved them. That does a great disservice to their huge numbers of dead soldiers and civilians. This includes those of France.

I think you've watched "Patton" too many times.
 
2007-04-03 02:16:42 PM
Hideously Gigantic Smurf: Maybe we DO need to "fight them over here", maybe then we'd stop romanticizing war so much and not be so trigger-happy.

When that day comes... it will be a nasty day.... all the G.I. Joe wannabees with their balls...errr... guns in their hands...

Look at 9/11, and how the states faced it... if, or when, more stuff like that happens, I truly wonder how the hell you guys are going to face it, but I don't see a positive picture, sorry, but I don't... you guys have never faced an internal situation of the sort that just about every other country has. The closest that you have to that, was against Canada, and you guys lost.
 
2007-04-03 02:20:27 PM
nopokerface: Where is Napolean from?

Napoleon is from Corsica.

Corsica is part of France.

I'm still confused as to the claim that he had no military successes.
 
2007-04-03 02:22:43 PM
I think the Corsicans of the time might have a different opinion than yours. But, since I doubt yours is subject to change, let's just say he was born in Paris, mkay?
 
2007-04-03 02:23:41 PM
Hideously Gigantic Smurf

Our "left" (the Democrats) still hems and haws on the subject of universal healthcare, while continuing to use the right-wing scare term "socialized medicine." Meanwhile, Tommy Douglas brought universal healthcare to Saskatchewan in 1962 and the rest of the country had it four years later. To this day no Canadian politician dares talk about privatizing the system without being labeled far-right.

Most people in our generation, the twenty and thirty-somethings, don't give a CRAP about marijuana use. And slowly but surely, our time is coming. The boomers can't live forever. In 50 years, you're going to see a MUCH looser drug policy in America.

True, Gen X and Y for the most part have much more lenient attitudes on pot than their parents and grandparents. I'm looking forward to the day when I can openly smoke a joint on the street. But I think things are going to get worse before they get better. Remember how the demonization of pot began in the 1930s and 1940s. I prefer not to call it "marijuana" because that name was invented to link the "demon weed" to anti-Mexican sentiment. And guess what's on the rise again? Yep. I sense more "Reefer Madness"-style scare tactics in the future.

All of this aside, what we're still faced with in the US is a government that favors the rich and white over the poor and brown. The death penalty, the crack epidemic, the "War on Drugs," police brutality, this whole rhetoric of "illegal" immigration, the corporatization-militarization of urban public schools (see Jonathan Kozol's The Shame of the Nation if this sounds weird to you), the lack of frequent, convenient, affordable public transportation in our cities? All institutionalized ways of oppressing and even killing off poor minorities.
 
2007-04-03 02:25:41 PM
So why aren't Farkers calling all the other countries that were consumed by the Nazi Blitzkrieg cowards? Why single out France?
 
2007-04-03 02:26:27 PM
Moonbat

You can say the same about many of the other allies. It was a close thing.

You're joking right? Australia turned the tide of the war?

And no, Russia would not have collapsed. They may have pulled out of parts of Western Europe without American materiel, but the eastern front was unwinnable for Germany in any case.

Russia wasn't in Western Europe until months after the USA joined the war. Germany was still deep in Russian territory in 1944. The only thing that kept Russia alive was the brutal winter. If the US hadn't opened the western front, Germany would have finished Russia off by 1945.

I think you've watched "Patton" too many times.

Never seen it.
 
2007-04-03 02:27:13 PM
imfallen_angel
Psst... just so you know, one thing that I make sure is let people know that if there's one thing that I'm not, is an american. Racists on their part you say? nah... read closely, you americans are pissing people off, it's not racism, it's about wanting to hurl in your general direction due to your pompous attitude.

First of all, I didn't say anything about "Asian people", I was talking about Japanese culture. May I ask under what circumstances these particular Asian people you met and befriended were?

Secondly, let's see if I have this straight... Just because I'm an American automatically means that I'm some uneducated, solopsistic fool who willingly and happily voted for officials who pursue a plutocratic national policy and that I stand firmly and in unwavering support of the obviously reprehensible aspects of our status quo and that it is in no way possible that I personally a more progressive, cosmopolitan world-view and desire cultural change towards that end?

How is that any different from assuming that all French people are snooty, foul-smelling cowards? How is that any different from assuming that all Muslims are pantocidal religious fanatics?

Hey... How is that any different from assuming that all black people are uneducated, fried-chicken-eating criminals?

Bigotry is bigotry, my friend. And the only thing worse than trying to justify it against others is trying to justify it against yourself.
 
2007-04-03 02:27:42 PM
nopokerface

Where is Napolean from?

His soldiers were French. Hitler was born Austrian, wasn't he?

Can a military opportunist choose his country?

'Course he can.
 
2007-04-03 02:30:16 PM
Moonbat-

I think you missed the intial premise. Which was Successful French military strategists for 200.

/There are no 400, 600, 800, or 1000 point questions
//and the 200 point one is in dispute
 
2007-04-03 02:30:17 PM
Moonbat

So why aren't Farkers calling all the other countries that were consumed by the Nazi Blitzkrieg cowards? Why single out France?

Because the Dutch aren't arrogant bastards.
 
2007-04-03 02:31:33 PM
Moonbat- And many of his soldiers weren't French. Other than that....
 
2007-04-03 02:32:57 PM
nopokerface: let's just say he was born in Paris, mkay?

Ummm, no. Napoleon was born in Corsica. Corsica is part of France. Even at the time of his birth, Corsica was part of France. I don't understand how anyone could make the argument that Napoleon wasn't French.

/unless it's just to make sure their dumb claim that France always fails militarily, then it makes sense.
//though it makes the person who says it look dumber than the French they're talking about
 
2007-04-03 02:33:39 PM
Chaim Witz

You're joking right? Australia turned the tide of the war?

My point is, evryone "turned the tide of the war." It was that close.

I don't mean to understate the US role, but you want to say we were THE prime movers, and that's just false.

Incidentally, the Diggers taught us the first lesson in beating the Japanese.
 
2007-04-03 02:33:58 PM
we came along and picked the poor helpless Europeans out of the mud and singlehandedly saved them

What european country provided troops for D-Day??

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Circa 1941 Hitler had pretty much all of europe. The English were scared shiatless...Churhill was praying for Roosevelt to get into the fight. So I'd say the U.S. made the difference between a few short years of occupation or possibly decades of the german yoke.
 
2007-04-03 02:35:05 PM
THX 1138

unless it's just to make sure their dumb claim that France always fails militarily

Napoleon won several battles, but ultimately he lost the war.

He's best known for his Waterloo.
 
2007-04-03 02:36:16 PM
Until most Americans can walk the streets with beers in our hands, we will never be as free as our French brothers and sisters.
 
2007-04-03 02:37:10 PM
Corsica was under the control of Genoa until the year before Napoleon's birth. The people of Corsica did not consider themselves French, they had been more or less a republicoontil they came under the control of the Lombards, then the Romans. I assure you, his parents did not consider themselves French when they were growing up, though he was educated in Paris.
 
2007-04-03 02:38:08 PM
imfallen_angel
I'll just state that I deal with more political stuff, have seen and lived a little more than the common folks.


Que Studman69. Or the "you can be anything on the internet" dogs.

/I've got a huge penis, btw. It makes Ron Jeremy cringe.
//And I'm rich, too
///No, really.
 
2007-04-03 02:38:31 PM
Chaim Witz: Because the Dutch aren't arrogant bastards.

I've never seen a French car driving around with a damn ribbon magnet on it saying "God bless France" or "Proud to be French", or even anyone posting on teh interwebs saying "France! Fark Yeah!". They seem to have a sense of tact about themselves.

/sorry, we were talking about arrogant bastards here?
 
2007-04-03 02:39:22 PM
Plus he is the basis for the line in Princess Bride about not getting involved in a land war in Asia, because of cunning and well thought out plan to invade Russia in the winter.
 
2007-04-03 02:39:45 PM
Canyoneer

I don't have anything against the French, but I've gotta pour some salt in your kool-aid. France is far below replacement level fertility in order to maintain its populace (though in-country births, immigration is another matter), the economy has been stagnant in comparison with other EU nations for years, and there is a lot of anti-semitism to be found along with native paranoia about moslem population growth

/no, I'm not French, but having several friends from France has given me insights...although I know its not research-admissible data to be taking a persons heresay for it...whatever...done spouting off
 
2007-04-03 02:41:48 PM
republicoontil-That has to be the wierdest filter application I've ever seen.
 
2007-04-03 02:42:42 PM
And those whining about how awful the US is are usually those who'd whine the loudest about any project to give the US the TGV. The French have offered the train to the US for a song before. I'm sure they still would offer it under very good terms. They've even volunteered engineers to work on laying out the required track etc.

Course in France and some other European countries being an engineer is at the least like having an MBA in the US and on a level with being a lawyer or doctor, at mininum. Which may or may not explain why the US doesn't have highspeed rail all over the place while Europe does.
 
2007-04-03 02:43:46 PM
nopokerface: The people of Corsica did not consider themselves French,

Many people in Hawaii don't consider themselves American, but they are nonetheless. Not wanting citizenship doesn't mean it's automatically lifted from one's shoulders.

But hey, if it fits with someone's argument that France's military has always been a failure, then go ahead and believe it.

/Yes I know about Waterloo. I used to live in Belguim.
//Not a France lover
///Not a lover of dumb anti-France rhetoric either
 
2007-04-03 02:46:40 PM
Chaim Witz: My grandfather entered Normany on D-Day +3. He was 21 years old. He was injured in the Battle of the Bulge and knocked out of the war. He is now 83 years old. He still has nightmares about the war. He still feels guilty that he lived, while many of his friends died.

I respect your grandfather's service, but it is not yours to wrap yourself in.

He earned the right to have strong feelings about a war he took part in. You did not.
 
2007-04-03 02:47:07 PM
This train sounds awesome if it is safe. I wish the US Government would fund the rail systems like this and make driving more expensive. But, I don't think the powerful auto industry would go for that.

And, I'm with the rest of you: French jokes are cliched.
www.weirdwildrealm.com
 
2007-04-03 02:51:06 PM
Corsica is still not a regular part of France, but anyway. France sucks, so did Napoleon. They get called pussies for one reason, they are. I'm sure it gets old for the French to hear, and apparently even for some non-French. But for me, it never gets old. Reminding the pompous and condescending of their glaring weaknesses and fallibility will always bring a smile to my lips.

/America is tired of hearing what a detriment we are, too
//Especially while most of the ones saying it only take breaks from talkning to cash our checks.
 
2007-04-03 02:51:54 PM
Moonbat

I don't mean to understate the US role, but you want to say we were THE prime movers, and that's just false.

For a history minor, you are incredibly ignorant of history. The Australians are valiant fighters, but they did not turn the tide of the war. All of the minor allies together did not turn the tide of the war. They likely shortened the war, but didn't affect the outcome.

For you to suggest otherwise is ludicrous.
 
2007-04-03 02:52:05 PM
I'll be looking for a USA yee-haw cowboy thread to get greenlit soon, for balance.

\We do have those, right?
\\Commander Codpiece FTW!
 
2007-04-03 02:52:21 PM
TheYeti

Wow.

You'd think that people like Canyoneer and cutlip98 would, you know, leave the country in search of better places to live.


Maybe they have, maybe they haven't. Maybe they like it here
in America. Maybe they just see things that could be better.

Maybe....

OH GOD MY KNEE!!! IT WON"T STOP.....JER....JERKING!!


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Props to the motherfarker who made that pic.
 
2007-04-03 02:52:30 PM
The Japanese will have a faster one by next week. That's just how they role.

I think they already do have a faster one - right now!
 
2007-04-03 02:53:24 PM
Moonbat

Incidentally, the Diggers taught us the first lesson in beating the Japanese.

I didn't realize it was the Australians who cracked the Japanese code for us? Amazing what you learn on Fark.
 
2007-04-03 02:53:55 PM
THX 1138: Not wanting citizenship doesn't mean it's automatically lifted from one's shoulders.

It's not a matter of citizenship, it's a matter of cultural affinity. Everyone in Italy has Italian citizenship, it doesn't mean they viwe themselves as a unified culture. Those in the north look down upon those in the south and those in the south don't feel that great about those in the north.
 
2007-04-03 02:56:19 PM
Besides all the bleeding vags in this thread, I would welcome some sort of equivalent to the TGV with open arms.

When I was traveling around France a couple of summers ago, I managed to catch a ride from Toulouse to Tours. I'd have to say it was the smoothest ride I've ever been on. Kind of comfy too.

/France was great, especially Tours and Nice
//But nuke Paris from orbit
 
2007-04-03 02:57:45 PM
Barricaded Gunman

He earned the right to have strong feelings about a war he took part in. You did not.

This statement is sheer idiocy. I have strong feelings against slavery, and yet I did nothing to contribute to the Civil War. How is this possible?
 
2007-04-03 03:03:22 PM
mvfreeman

Yes, it was Britain, Canada, and the USA that invaded Normandy; but I'm talking the whole war, not just the invasion. Don't forget the many resistance fighters and displaced soldiers from all the conquered countries fighting with the allies and behind the lines.

Again, my point is that the USA did not singlehandedly "win the war" for Europe. We made a crucial difference at the right time. They needed help, but they were not helpless.

Oh, and I find it hard to accept the concept of Britain being "Scared shiatless". They sure as hell didn't act that way during the battle of Britain. Britain's savior was -- Britain.
 
2007-04-03 03:05:28 PM
Our "left" (the Democrats) still hems and haws on the subject of universal healthcare, while continuing to use the right-wing scare term "socialized medicine."

At least they're making noise about it. Wasn't that long ago no one bothered to bring it up at all.

Meanwhile, Tommy Douglas brought universal healthcare to Saskatchewan in 1962 and the rest of the country had it four years later. To this day no Canadian politician dares talk about privatizing the system without being labeled far-right.

Okay, so we're slower than Canada.
You and I just happened to have had the misfortune of living in an era where we haven't quite gotten to where we're going. Tough nuts to us.
But I've got a good feeling we'll be getting to a place where in a generation or two, young people will be living in an America where they have known nothing else. And you know what? THEY'LL be complaining about shiznit, too!

Remember how the demonization of pot began in the 1930s and 1940s. I prefer not to call it "marijuana" because that name was invented to link the "demon weed" to anti-Mexican sentiment. And guess what's on the rise again? Yep. I sense more "Reefer Madness"-style scare tactics in the future.

PFFT! Let 'em TRY, man!
You think the trailer-trash and the fundies are breeding at an appaling rate? They're frickin' EUNUCHS compared to Chicanos!
In a few decades, anglos are going to be the MINORITY and the face of America is going to be on the swarthy side, to say the least!
And guess what the common Chicano political outlook is? Liberal Catholic! You think they're not going to affect American policy as a whole? What do you think has guys like Buchannan's panties in such a twist?

All of this aside, what we're still faced with in the US is a government that favors the rich and white over the poor and brown. The death penalty, the crack epidemic, the "War on Drugs," police brutality, this whole rhetoric of "illegal" immigration, the corporatization-militarization of urban public schools (see Jonathan Kozol's The Shame of the Nation if this sounds weird to you), the lack of frequent, convenient, affordable public transportation in our cities? All institutionalized ways of oppressing and even killing off poor minorities

Death Penalty
Once upon a time, no big deal. Heck, it was considered a slow week in the Old West if there wasn't a hangin'. Now, not only a matter of serious debate and controversy, but do any states that aren't considered the most backwater, brutal, bloodthirsty stains on the national canvas even EMPLOY hanging anymore?

The War On Drugs
Are you KIDDING me? Nowadays it's considered a LAUGHING STOCK! "Just Say No" has become a PUNCH-LINE, my friend. 20, maybe 30 years, it'll go the way of Prohibition, you watch.

Police Brutality
Isolated incidents, my friend. You think news outlets would raise such a stink of the occurences they DO find out about if it was commonplace? Besides, you saw what happened in LA when it didn't go unpunished. Or maybe you're too young to remember, sorry to assume.

Illegal Immigration
Like the weather, man. Everyone complains, but nobody can do anything about it. The Border Wall? Psht! Yeah, RIGHT! Who do you think are the ONLY people willing to do THAT HARD of work for THAT LITTLE of pay? Bingo! The immigrants. And just how eager do you think they are to participate?

The last two points you brought up? Yeah, they're real problems. But now that the other "problems" you brought up have been dispelled, you have a lot more energy to focus on those two, don't you?

Bottom line... You're letting yourself get scared, man. You're letting people cloud your mind with fear, because they know that frightened people are easier to manipulate. Don't think that scare-tactics are the sole property of flag-waving SUV drivers and rapturists.

Here's a good rule to live by, if someone... ANYONE... Is telling you scary shiznit, it's more than likely not because they want to protect you, it's because they want to use you.
 
2007-04-03 03:06:58 PM
TheBlackrose: /France was great, especially Tours and Nice
//But nuke Paris from orbit


What is it with Paris? I thought i was strange because I have absolutely no desire to go back there.

I've been to provincial france many times and people have been friendly and the whole experience has been enjoyable, but Paris really didn't appeal to me in the way that most other big cities do.

And I like city vacations - i'd certainly go back to San Francisco, Rome, London, Barcelona, Hong Kong and maybe even Cairo. Paris ranks with Bartlesville, OK in my list of cities to go back to.
 
2007-04-03 03:09:54 PM
Sorry, drucee, forgot to bold ya up there.
 
2007-04-03 03:10:08 PM
"Idiocy" seems a bit harsh, but OK.

What I meant to suggest is that if your grandfather were to sign on to Fark and make jingoistic, anti-France statements, it would be understandable, if not actually palatable by 21st century standards. Having personally lived the event in question, his views would naturally carry more weight than say, the chest-thumping, faux-patriotic bloviation of an internet tough guy.

/Feeling compelled join Chaim Witz in his bold stance against slavery
//Lincoln/Hamlin in 2008!
 
2007-04-03 03:14:58 PM
mdeesnuts: Que Studman69. Or the "you can be anything on the internet" dogs.

/I've got a huge penis, btw. It makes Ron Jeremy cringe.
//And I'm rich, too
///No, really.


Well... you certainly proved the point that I WAS making...so, one can't wonder why one wouldn't mention too much info about themselves...would they?

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: Bigotry is bigotry, my friend. And the only thing worse than trying to justify it against others is trying to justify it against yourself.

Yup... but when it becomes a question of no longer it being a generalization, but an actual majority, it becomes very hard for the minority to stand out. I'd say that most of the better americans are stuck with having to deal with the world's opinion because of this. And it's not a question of majority of actual head count (possibly), but of the overall picture.

For example... if you have 50 tourist from the states and all of them are jackasses, well, what do you expect when the next 50 comes over.... there'll be maybe one nice one , but the damage is done.

I just find it sad, really, how many people I've seen that are plain out jackasses, and no matter how you ask them to kinda get over themselves, they just don't see it. And while that's not limited to americans, it is the "standard" attitude that I, and a LOT of people get from americans on almost every encounter.

Mind you, I've know a lot of americans, and they were, for the most, very nice, but... the racism, the bigotry, the attitude, all of what I've mentioned, was there, and eventually, it gets old. And it's sad. Good people if not for this cancer of the society mindset.

Hell, what I find amusing is how Newe York is always put down for this bigotry, and honestly, I found myself to have a very nice New York experience, accomplished by just a simple "hello, can I help you"... so, this angel did show that there are still some good... some...
 
2007-04-03 03:16:08 PM
Is it too late to mention a century of ass whooping the French served the English?
 
2007-04-03 03:17:06 PM
Chain Witz

it was the Australians who cracked the Japanese code for us? Amazing what you learn on Fark.

Hah! I'll let an Aussie respond to that one.
 
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