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2007-03-29 08:23:24 PM
Cell phones probably do more harm to cells than microwave ovens.
 
2007-03-29 08:30:47 PM
After being evacuated from my dorm at 3AM back in my college days because someone left popcorn burning in their microwave, I believe it.
 
2007-03-29 08:36:47 PM
Wow, eight people were tested! That's got me convinced. Fie on you tv dinners! Fie I say!
 
2007-03-29 08:55:39 PM
peer.reviewed.studies.
 
2007-03-29 09:44:22 PM
While it was disturbing and could have killed me, I have to give a shout-out to Dr. Wineberg and his classic, "Jiffy Pop Testicles Surgical Replacement" gag.

One for the ages my friend, I LOLed so outloud I couldn't sue you for malpractice. By the way, the papers I served you? You guessed it ANTRHAX! Gotcha!
 
2007-03-29 09:44:42 PM
I had to explain to my roommate's mother, who read this a few years ago, that microwaving blood is different than microwaving your food. When you inject blood into a person, you want it to be whole. If the blood cells have been lysed (i.e. broken up) by being microwaved, your body won't like that very much.

However, with food, it really doesn't matter much whether the components are broken up. In fact, your stomach is very acidic because it wants to break down what you eat into usable products.

I'm sure there are still some nutrients lost with microwaving, as is the case with all cooking. However, I'd imagine eating microwaved broccoli is better for you than munching on a bag of potato chips.
 
2007-03-29 10:00:24 PM
queezyweezel: Cell phones probably do more harm to cells than microwave ovens.

Beer trumps all as far as dangerousness goes. Good thing college kids never drink.
 
2007-03-29 10:01:51 PM
They've been saying this for years.

*ding!* Oooh, pizza's ready!
 
2007-03-29 10:01:51 PM
Duh, its because microwaves are a form of lighter fluid
 
2007-03-29 10:02:23 PM
That is the single stupidest thing I have ever read on fark.

Thanks Subby! Always looking for new record holders.
 
2007-03-29 10:03:29 PM
I'm going to go stick a bunch of CD's and DVD's and forks and spoons and diecast cars in my microwave and see what happens.
 
2007-03-29 10:03:34 PM
This article fails the breathless exclamation trustworthiness test.

I never believe articles that overuse exclamations! It looks like the article is written by a gullible idiot! Your house could be on fire RIGHT NOW!
 
2007-03-29 10:03:58 PM
And exactly how does this harm Ramen noodles? or Easy Mac?
 
2007-03-29 10:04:27 PM
I've always found it interesting that the vast majority
of people don't know how to use the power control.
Practically all microwaves will heat things in 10% increments from 10 up to 100.
Virtually everyone just blasts at 100% power whatever they have in it, even if they're just warming something up.


/and I'm talking about women, too
 
2007-03-29 10:04:46 PM
And yet I've never had anything greenlighted....
 
2007-03-29 10:05:00 PM
Bad Housekeeping >

You cook pizza in the microwave? That's one floppy pizza...
 
2007-03-29 10:06:51 PM
They is the nasty cats, not microwaves...duh

farm1.static.flickr.com
 
2007-03-29 10:06:53 PM
Miles D Davis Jr.: That is the single stupidest thing I have ever read on fark.

seconded. whoever wrote this must have slept through basic physics classes while getting their journalism degree.

/I slept through my english classes.
 
2007-03-29 10:07:22 PM
Interesting... nurse warmed blood in a microwave oven. Microwave being in the OR because everyone likes a burrito during surgery.
 
2007-03-29 10:08:04 PM
OH NOEZZ!!! WHAT WE GONNNA DO??!

I've used a microwave for 21 year with no harm. Bypassing the door lock and using it with the door open, that's another story. No, I haven't tried that.

Anyone ever try the grape trick? You cut a grape in half and nuke it and it's supposed to shoot out plasma. Haven't tried that yet either.
 
2007-03-29 10:08:51 PM
*bing*

-Ha! The burrito's pointing at me! That means I get to eat it!

-Double or nothing for this hot dog?

i166.photobucket.com
 
2007-03-29 10:09:26 PM
The violent change that microwaving causes to the food molecules forms new life forms called radiolytic compounds. These are mutations that are unknown in the natural world.

Never put this guy's hat or other foil objects into a microwave.
 
2007-03-29 10:10:00 PM
I love the constant assumption that incr'd cholesterol levels in food -----> incr'd serum cholesterol levels.

\too many other holes in article to even think about
 
2007-03-29 10:11:04 PM
I'd worry more about the crap I put into the microwave, rather than the microwaving itself.
 
2007-03-29 10:11:05 PM
img249.imageshack.us

I found that article very interesting.

/PS: no foil in the microwave
//duh
 
2007-03-29 10:11:12 PM
Oh sure, blame it on the cat!

temp.frobbe.dk

wait...
 
2007-03-29 10:12:10 PM
Food? Microwave oven? Intriguing . . .

/Guess that explains the power cord on the bread box
 
2007-03-29 10:13:01 PM
I'm not a huge fan of microwaves, but I'll say this much.

I like chili a lot, and the chili I make (from scratch) cooked in a microwave tastes way better, and the meat has better texture, than when I tried the same recipe on top of the stove in a pot. It took a lot longer to cook, and basically tasted like boiled meat and was a pain in the ass because I had to stay at the stove for a significant amount of time. I also cook my frozen veggies in the microwave.

Scientifically, there is pretty much 0 leakage of MW out of an oven due to design, and what tiny bit there might be, rapidly diminishes to 0 due to some law about cubing with distance or something. From a nuitritional perspective I don't see any problem with heating food up by making water molecules vibrate. 'Mysterious compounds' that will kill you happens a lot more with things we take for granted.. like barbeques.. that charred carbon? It's carcinogenic. (Really.)

The reason people are afraid of microwaves is because they vibrate and make noise. It makes us think that deadly gamma radiation is shooting through us.

At least Rick Jones is safe.
 
2007-03-29 10:13:33 PM
My brain hurts after reading that article... microwaving cooking? eating food microwaved food?

Certainly nothing with such bad editing could be believable.

Not to mention how, could someone in the medical field not think about the possibility of microwaves not farking up blood?
 
2007-03-29 10:13:52 PM
FTA:There was a lawsuit in 1991 in Oklahoma. A woman named Norma Levitt had hip surgery, but was killed by a simple blood transfusion when a nurse "warmed the blood for the transfusion in a microwave oven!"

Doesn't radiation rip about DNA? What did they think would happen?
 
2007-03-29 10:14:25 PM
Some of the above information on microwaved food was published in an Eight Volume Lawyers Cyclopedia which is used by lawyers who sue in medical cases. Who knows? One day there may be a class action lawsuit against microwaves.

Classic stuff!
 
2007-03-29 10:14:38 PM
"Standing in front of a microwave is also highly damaging to your health. Perhaps you have already felt this intuitively? We know that cells explode in the microwave - just fry an egg in your microwave. We are made up of trillions of cells. So work out how many are getting damaged if you stand in front of your microwave for 5-10 minutes."

?

lawl? DOH! We are made up of sooo many cells, of course!!
 
2007-03-29 10:14:40 PM
But is the coffee pot okay?
 
2007-03-29 10:15:40 PM
Cue the "Not this shiat again" guy.

Bullshiat like this circulates perpetually. One week it's magnets that cure cancer, then it's microwaves making food poisonous, later it'll be something involving crystals. To quote the inimitable M.C. Hawking, "New age motherfarkers, don't get me started. / Made more sense than them last time I farted."
 
2007-03-29 10:15:47 PM
Bad Housekeeping: Oh sure, blame it on the cat!
wait...


Not that cat, statistics don't apply to the individual...
 
2007-03-29 10:15:48 PM
Woops (about = apart) in my previous comment.
 
2007-03-29 10:16:34 PM
Microwaves disperse quickly, and those in a microwave oven aren't that powerful, so unless you are peering in the window with your nose against the glass for 20 minutes, you'll be fine.

Also, radiation affects living matter (e.g. blood transfusions) much differently than it does non-living matter (e.g. meat). Radiation hurts cells by breaking down the DNA, causing cell death or mutations when it replicates. Digestion will break down any cells you consume in the end anyway, which will already be dead, so it doesn't matter if they are torn up to begin with. Now, if you inject mutated, damaged blood cells into someone's bloodstream, then there will be some problems.
 
2007-03-29 10:16:43 PM
increased cholestoral levels?!?? Seriously?! Could it have anything to do with that Hungry Man Fried Chik'n Dinner with over one pound of food? No, of course not. How about dem supreme pizza rolls? Nah...

/doesn't think microwaved broccoli will cause heart attackies
 
2007-03-29 10:17:26 PM
sirgrim: Doesn't radiation rip about DNA? What did they think would happen?

Different kind of radiation. Electromagnetic Radiation is just radio waves. Your microwave operates at about 2.4Ghz, and the waves vibrate the water molecules in food. Gama & beta radiation (nuclear radiation) break down cells.
 
2007-03-29 10:18:19 PM
Don't forget the article's disclaimer:

Disclaimer : This information is not medical advice. Because every person's situation is different, the author of this article will not be held responsible for any negative results which come from reading or acting upon the information in this article. Use at your own risk.

The author's assertions are based on the misconception that irradiated food is the same as microwaved food, when in fact it is not - ionizing radiation is entirely different than high-power radio waves.

(Note: Irradiation is not the same as microwaving, but they are similar in that both use unnatural frequencies to alter food).

Whatever. Whoever greenlighted this pap needs to check their sources before attempting to engage everyone in a debate about absolutely nothing.
 
2007-03-29 10:19:01 PM

By Stephanie Relfe B.Sc. (Sydney)


Well isn't that cute. Bachelor's degree is the new high school. Come back when you get your Master's, sweetheart.
 
2007-03-29 10:19:33 PM
http://wyomcases.courts.state.wy.us/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?cite ID=4387 Sorry no pops.

Norma Levitt did get microwaved blood. Died of a blood clot. I find this so hysterical... how could anyone working in a hospital be so stupid as to microwave blood in the nurse's lounge.

Dying here. Soooo funny.
 
2007-03-29 10:19:42 PM
queezyweezel

Thanks for clearing that up.
 
2007-03-29 10:20:10 PM
sirgrim

FTA:There was a lawsuit in 1991 in Oklahoma. A woman named Norma Levitt had hip surgery, but was killed by a simple blood transfusion when a nurse "warmed the blood for the transfusion in a microwave oven!"

Doesn't radiation rip about DNA? What did they think would happen?


Microwave radio waves - microwave radiation - is nowhere near energetic enough to break DNA. I would think it most likely to affect the polarization of membranes of some sort, which could potentially affect many cell processes.

If you heat a bag of blood in a microwave, though, you are likely to overheat parts of it enough to kill blood cells.
 
2007-03-29 10:20:25 PM
We have a microwave oven, and I have to admit that from time to time I have cooked and heated leftovers in it, but this article really opened my eyes. From now on, I'm not going to use it for anything buy drying cats.
 
2007-03-29 10:20:32 PM
2007-03-29 10:17:26 PM queezyweezel [TotalFark]

So are you saying heating blood in a microwave oven should not be damaging to the person receiving said blood?

/layman
 
2007-03-29 10:21:15 PM
//and drunk, I should definitely add that
 
2007-03-29 10:22:46 PM
I am concerned about cell phones though, which operate at the microwave band also, as does wireless in PC's..

See, it's not the frequency I have an issue with.. it's how they are designed to work.

There is continuous wave radiation which we are bombarded with 24 hours a day from the sun and so forth.. but it's smooth and constant. Then there is new generation cell phones and wireless.. those operate using constantly pulsing signals, and are square wave rather than sine.

And well, I know completely how it's not ionizing radiation.. but I'd really really like to see some serious studies done on how square wave pulsed signals affect the neurological system in organisms.

Nobody talks about it, yet medical authorities say 'dont give cells to children'.. why not? We all know cell phones aren't ionizing radiation. Do you know something we don't?
 
2007-03-29 10:24:28 PM
Get thee to snopes.com. It's completely debunked there

/surprised there aren't half a dozen hotlinks to the snopes entry
//too lazy to do it myself
///slashies kill ur foodz!!
 
2007-03-29 10:24:51 PM
Dextro: So are you saying heating blood in a microwave oven should not be damaging to the person receiving said blood?

No. it'd be very detrimental. when you microwave a liquid, you heat it up very rapidly, and kill the cells. You boil it on a microscopic level.
I'm not sure what the exact effect on a living organism is when exposed to 1KW of 2.4Ghz energy, but it's not good. The FCC says you shouldn't stand in front of a 4W beam of wifi radiation.
It may kill cells, but it won't mutate them. Any RF engineers know exactly what happens to cells when they're exposed to high power RF radiation?
 
2007-03-29 10:27:12 PM
Queezyweezel, I used to work at a broadcasting company in Culver City. You stand in front of that stuff you die. Heard many a tale of guys standing in front of RF antennas and literally having their brains baked.
 
2007-03-29 10:27:32 PM
Bugler: Nobody talks about it, yet medical authorities say 'dont give cells to children'.. why not? We all know cell phones aren't ionizing radiation. Do you know something we don't?

no, they're just doing this thing called "covering thier asses".

it could be harmful to developing children. it could not. but if it IS, they won't be gettin' sued over it.
 
2007-03-29 10:29:23 PM
queezyweezel: It may kill cells, but it won't mutate them. Any RF engineers know exactly what happens to cells when they're exposed to high power RF radiation?

you don't need to be an RF engineer. everyone knows what happens when you put live small animals in a microwave. enough cruel asshats have posted videos to the effect. they boil, and the pressure makes them explode.
 
2007-03-29 10:29:43 PM
MollyHell

Queezyweezel, I used to work at a broadcasting company in Culver City. You stand in front of that stuff you die. Heard many a tale of guys standing in front of RF antennas and literally having their brains baked.


mmmmmmmm brains

/sorry
 
2007-03-29 10:32:02 PM
MollyHell: Queezyweezel, I used to work at a broadcasting company in Culver City. You stand in front of that stuff you die. Heard many a tale of guys standing in front of RF antennas and literally having their brains baked.

It's not that bad, depending on the focal point, power level, and exposure time. I work on Cell towers and Microwave relay sites. You need to limit your exposure time, and turn off the really high powered links when you go near them.
I've been "cooked" before, and it wasn't nice. 80Ghz high power beam and I put my hand near the focal point of the TX dish.
It felt like dipping your hand in boiling water, but there was no skin damage. I'm guessing the radio wave excites the water molecules in your skin/body and causes them to flip polarity/vibrate at the frequency of the wave.

I could see someone being incapacitated by a high powered RADAR array, but most transmission towers take a while to warm you up.
 
2007-03-29 10:34:52 PM
The energy out out by the typical microwave oven is that powerful. About 900 watts at 2.4 Ghz. That's a shiatload of energy as far as radio waves go.

With that said, modern ovens are pretty well shielded. I don't look in the oven while it's running and I stand away from it. That's just the radio amateur in me because I have had RF burns with much less energy and we have always been taught not to look into horn antennas and such to prevent eye damage.

I don't believe it's mutating the food though. Articles like this make me laugh, I stopped reading at this point: "The violent change that microwaving causes to the food molecules forms new life forms called radiolytic compounds."
 
2007-03-29 10:36:07 PM
Holy crap, this went green?! *First greenlight dance* I accidentally found this BS article while looking for information on phased antenna arrays for wifi/cellular communications.
As long as the seals on your oven are in good shape, it's no more harmful to you than the toaster.
 
2007-03-29 10:37:07 PM
Turn out all lights, then watch a CD you don't want cook in the microwave for a few seconds on high power.

Nice Z-machine sparkly effect will ensue!
 
2007-03-29 10:37:10 PM
You can't wear your tin foil hat in there either

/just sayin
 
2007-03-29 10:37:12 PM
By the way, on most ovens adjusting the power does no actual adjusting of the power. It just cuts the magnetron on and off at intervals which attempts to simulate power levels.
 
2007-03-29 10:37:16 PM
MollyHell

Queezyweezel, I used to work at a broadcasting company in Culver City. You stand in front of that stuff you die. Heard many a tale of guys standing in front of RF antennas and literally having their brains baked.

Snopes says False.
 
2007-03-29 10:37:52 PM
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!...*catches breath*...AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

where to start...

They studied the effect that microwaved food had on eight individuals, by taking blood samples immediately after eating. They found that after eating microwaved food, haemoglobin levels decreased.

Blood rushes to your stomach during digestion...nothing special about microwaved food.

Other kinesiologists can confirm these results. David Bridgman, who has years of experience as a kinesiologist, said "Of all the people I test for allergies, 99.9% so far show severe sensitivity to any microwaved food".

Wow, it's a good thing that we have a registered kinesiologist looking out for our allergies to microwaved food. I guess he wasn't lying when he said that, because 112% of the people *cough*n=0*cough* that I test for allergies also show a severe sensitivity to microwaved food.

/TFA is so dumb that I can't even call it pseudoscience
//hell, the "schematics" for comic book technology are more believable.
 
2007-03-29 10:37:56 PM
vodka: That's just the radio amateur in me because I have had RF burns with much less energy and we have always been taught not to look into horn antennas and such to prevent eye damage.

Good call. I wonder why the eyes are so much more sensitive to RF radiation than the rest of the body. I'm guessing that it's the thin membrane, and fact that they're full of water.
 
2007-03-29 10:38:00 PM
Queezy, we had damn big dishes. RF antennas are different than the microwave ones, I assume you are talking about the ones that look like drums and are straight projection? Guys did sometimes die. Not often, of course.
 
2007-03-29 10:39:17 PM
As Mitch once said.."I don't have a microwave oven, I have a clock that can cook things."
 
2007-03-29 10:40:27 PM
SwiftFox, Snopes says false to what, RF antennas killing men or that I worked for a broadcasting company in Culver City, CA? How DARE Snopes!!!
 
2007-03-29 10:40:45 PM
SwiftFox: Snopes says False.

The military and FCC say true.

Well not brains boiling and such, but you can do serious damage to your body by spending too much time near an energized antenna.
 
2007-03-29 10:40:47 PM
This thread is useless without a bucket of Strontium 90 and a live trillobite!
 
2007-03-29 10:41:36 PM
this is beyond not news, it is WTF greenlight
 
2007-03-29 10:42:57 PM
MollyHell: Queezy, we had damn big dishes. RF antennas are different than the microwave ones, I assume you are talking about the ones that look like drums and are straight projection? Guys did sometimes die. Not often, of course.

Are you talking about transmitters for microwave satellite uplinks (eg feeds to DTV and dish network)?
 
2007-03-29 10:46:09 PM
queezyweezel:

Do you have an opinion of biological organisms sitting inside an active electrical field, perhaps magnetic field also? I'm thinking about the fields generated by high tension power lines.. the magnetic field lasts out to about 300 metres.. electrical, less so.

I wonder how it affects the body to be inside a field over an extended duration of time.
 
2007-03-29 10:49:54 PM
If you scroll down to the bottom of the page you can click on the little tabs to see the stuff they are trying to sell. That page is just a big bulls*it ad.
 
2007-03-29 10:50:36 PM
vodka:

panasonic makes a microwave that uses a solid state circuitry.. it allows it to run continously at any power level you choose rather than cycling the power on and off.. I'm thinking about trying one of those out, even though the boards don't have the best lifetimes.
 
2007-03-29 10:51:00 PM
queezyweezel img.fark.com
SwiftFox: Snopes says False.

The military and FCC say true.

Well not brains boiling and such, but you can do serious damage to your body by spending too much time near an energized antenna.


Well, obviously, but it doesn't seem to have happened on an acute basis, at least as far as can be documented.

My own father has told me a credible-sounding story of a guy whose pocket burst into flame, because he was carrying a packet of foil-wrapped gum in front of a radar antenna.
 
2007-03-29 10:51:04 PM
Basically, Queezel, though different clients than DirectTV. I am trying to remember who we used to broadcast 24 hours a day, and failing. I forced almost all info of them out of my mind when I left that foul job.
 
2007-03-29 10:56:02 PM
DIAM ????
 
2007-03-29 10:56:10 PM
Bugler: Do you have an opinion of biological organisms sitting inside an active electrical field, perhaps magnetic field also?
Well, any electrical field is a magnetic field, (Electro magnetic field). Depending on the frequency, some fields are more harmful than others.
Low frequencies like the 50/60hz fieled generated by power lines are probably less dangerous than microwave energy (2,400,000,000hz for wifi, or a microwave).

I'm thinking about the fields generated by high tension power lines.. the magnetic field lasts out to about 300 metres.. electrical, less so.

There are studies that "prove" that EMF/EMR generated by power lines causes cancer in human cells, and studies that "prove" it's perfectly safe.

I'm no expert on the subject (I'm a network engineer with a strong RF background), but I feel that directing any sort of energy at a living organism for an extended period of time is not the safest thing in the world to do.
Having a laptop in your lap all day, or a cellphone stuck to your head are probably more likely to give you cancer than being near a high tension power line though. Most studies I've seen seem to agree that high frequency EMF/EMR is more dangerous than low frequency.

I wonder how it affects the body to be inside a field over an extended duration of time.
Could kill you, could give your children super powers.

Nobody really knows......although I personally wouldn't buy a house with a cellphone tower, radio station tower, or high tension line near it.
 
2007-03-29 11:01:13 PM
I wonder how many copies of "Catcher in the Rye" this guy has. I also think my IQ went negative.
 
2007-03-29 11:01:44 PM
SwiftFox: MollyHell

Queezyweezel, I used to work at a broadcasting company in Culver City. You stand in front of that stuff you die. Heard many a tale of guys standing in front of RF antennas and literally having their brains baked.

Snopes says False.


So does Mythbusters
 
2007-03-29 11:03:21 PM
2007-03-29 10:37:56 PM queezyweezel [TotalFark]

Good call. I wonder why the eyes are so much more sensitive to RF radiation than the rest of the body. I'm guessing that it's the thin membrane, and fact that they're full of water.

I think it's because the eye is one of the few places where you have living cells right at the surface, without some wet-but-dead skin to protect them. At microwave frequencies, the penetration depth of the radiation is quite small (moreso as you go toward higher frequency), so a few mm of skin can make a big difference to the cells underneath. It could just be that those tissues are particularly sensitive to heat damage, too.
 
2007-03-29 11:03:53 PM
illicit

I was under the assumption that even if you had your nose pressed up to the glass for 20 years, you wouldn't get any radiation at all, because that mesh that covers every microwave door, and is presumably present in some form all the way around, is a faraday cage which blocks the waves from getting out. Not true?
 
2007-03-29 11:07:13 PM
GreenSlime

I wonder how many copies of "Catcher in the Rye" this guy has.

Tell me about the Bunnies in the microwave again, George.
 
2007-03-29 11:11:35 PM
Heh, I just found a decent site explaining RF radiation and its hazards:


Looks like the eyes and balls are in danger because they lack suitable blood flow to cool the tissue while being exposed to RF radiation. The damage comes from overheating the tissue.

JericoPaladin: I was under the assumption that even if you had your nose pressed up to the glass for 20 years, you wouldn't get any radiation at all, because that mesh that covers every microwave door, and is presumably present in some form all the way around, is a faraday cage which blocks the waves from getting out. Not true?

True. The grid on the front of the microwave is small enough that the microwaves cannot penetrate through the screen. If you're getting exposed to microwave radiation (radio waves), your skin gets hot, Fast!
 
2007-03-29 11:12:24 PM
said site:
http://www.hps.org/publicinformation/ate/faqs/radiofrequencyqa.html
 
2007-03-29 11:14:10 PM
This article is the biggest pile of pig shiat I have ever seen, and I grew up on a hog farm.

#1 - radiation is not bad. It is just energy. Heat (IR) and light (Vis) are both radiation. Radiation has become a panic word like nuclear.

#2 - microwaves induce "spinning" in the molecules that absorb them. This creates heat. Stuff doesn't heat from

#3 - microwaved food is not irradiated by ionizing radiation produced from a nuclear reaction. Also, irradiated food (food that has been exposed to ionizing radiation) does not become radioactive. Radioactive contamination causes things to become radioactive. If you see that food has been "irradiated" it is perfectly safe. You won't get cancer from standing next to it.


This fear mongering in the article is typical. They play to people who are uninformed.

An MRI is actually a NMRI, for example. MRI stands for Magnetic Resonance Imaging, but is actually Nuclear Magnetic Resonance Imaging. They took the Nuclear off because people are idiots and get upset whenever they hear the word Nuclear.


From their main website disclaimer:

DISCLAIMER:The information on this website is not medical science or medical advice. This information is not backed up by scientific evidence. This is just for your information.

In other words: WE ARE MAKING THIS SHIAT UP!
 
2007-03-29 11:15:33 PM
#2 should say "stuff doesn't heat from the inside out" at the end. Got deleted accidently

sorry
 
2007-03-29 11:16:22 PM
Another headline on this site:

"The most awesome article explaining why we don't hear how very much more successful alternative health is than AMA-qualified medicine!"

Alternative medicine bullshiat makes the Baby Jesus cry.

Another great one:

"Man Lives to 256 Years Old Eating Lycium (Goji) Berries."

God, people are stupid.
 
2007-03-29 11:16:50 PM
2007-03-29 11:11:35 PM queezyweezel TotalFark]

If you're getting exposed to microwave radiation (radio waves), your skin gets hot, Fast!

Erm, maybe. If rig the switch and run with the door open, you'll get hot fast. But the shielding of the door is never perfect, so a few milliwatts will leak out (more around the door than through the screen). It's enough to screw with your wifi connection if it's close enough to your computer or AP, but far too little to feel.
 
2007-03-29 11:17:00 PM
Interesting disclaimer from TFA:

Irradiation of Food: (Note: Irradiation is not the same as microwaving, but they are similar in that both use unnatural frequencies to alter food).
 
2007-03-29 11:17:38 PM
JericoPaladin

Forgot about the mesh. Yes, if the holes are smaller than 1-2 mm (average wavelength of microwaves) they will be blocked.
 
2007-03-29 11:24:51 PM
iammess:

Yes but I am curious to know about the effect of square waved pulsed EMF on biology.. our nervous system is supposedly electrical in nature. If it is electrical, then it stands to reason continuously pulsing away at it might do something.

I've also heard about electro-sensitive individuals, and while some of them it's psychosomatic I'm sure, but for others it's certainly theoretically possible they have somehow managed to detect the cycling of active transmitters. Populations are not homogeneous, they're a fractal curve, and there's always the x-factor. We can all get aids for example, but supposedly there's a group of people who cannot due to some protein. There's extremely few of them. So why not a group of people who can detect electricity in a negative way.. Sweden has more than any other country in the world.. unless it's mass hysteria, perhaps the swedish population has a recessive that is coming out or something.

When we make statements that are black and white, part of it is to reassure ourselves, but we don't necessarily know it all. Doctors used to recommend cigarettes as part of a healthy diet.
 
2007-03-29 11:26:05 PM
Visible Light. On the right, getting shorter and shorter and more offensive, you have bad stuff, ultraviolet and the even shorter, more energetic and ionizing stuff, gamma etc. Very energetic, smashes stuff up, splits atoms, knocks of neutrons, etc. And splits off your inherited tendency to download porn. On the left, you have longer and longer wavelengths, less and less scary and energetic, your infra reds and then radio waves. The shortest radio waves, just past infrared are teeny tiny, like, micro they're so small. Hey, wait a minute, why don't we call them microwaves? They love water and they heat it up, and water loves them, so FAA radars have a real hard time seeing the airplanes around the thunderstorms, but burritos love them. Put something in your microwave like toast with no water in it and nothing happens.

If you put your cat (full of water) in the microwave or yourself (full of water) in front of a radar antennae and crank them up to 11 you will at some point make baby jeebus cry. But only because the water in you and the cat got real hot and you and the cat exploded. Your dna sprayed around intact.
 
2007-03-29 11:27:05 PM
Professor Science: It's enough to screw with your wifi connection if it's close enough to your computer or AP, but far too little to feel.

True.
Many microwaves will leak a fair amount of RF when they are empty and turned on. We turned on the Spectrum Analyzer at the lab and tuned it to 2-4Ghz and fired up the microwave. The SA (in the next room) went through the roof, and registered about .25W at 20ft. We put a burrito in the microwave and fired it up, and you could barely see the microwave RF on the meter (.025W if I remember right)
 
2007-03-29 11:29:22 PM
sirgrim: FTA:There was a lawsuit in 1991 in Oklahoma. A woman named Norma Levitt had hip surgery, but was killed by a simple blood transfusion when a nurse "warmed the blood for the transfusion in a microwave oven!"

Doesn't radiation rip about DNA? What did they think would happen?


Now, I'm no scientist, but if I know my They Might Be Giants song's correctly, mammals have red blood cells lacking a nucleus... consequently, no DNA, because that is where DNA resides.
 
2007-03-29 11:34:44 PM
My understanding is that a "micro" wave is about 4 3/4"(frequency of 2450 MHz (a wavelength of 12.24 cm))
So yeah, the screen in the door, gaps around the edge & etc would all appear as a solid surface. Works as longs as the gaps are smaller than the wavelength. That's why they can use screen for the surface of satellite dishes, and for engine intake covers on stealth planes...


A question for those more knowledgeable than me:
Being that this all occurs within the electromagnetic spectrum, given that very, very high frequency radiation is known to be bad(gamma & etc), wouldn't it stand to reason that the lower you go, frequency wise, the "better" it is?

Isn't normal heating via infrared several orders of magnitude higher frequency than microwaves?

/UGGGHHH! Fire! Bad! UGGGHHH!
 
2007-03-29 11:35:16 PM
they raise a paw
the bat, the cat
dolphin and dog
koala bear and hog...
 
2007-03-29 11:35:17 PM
2007-03-29 11:17:00 PM Shadyman

Interesting disclaimer from TFA:

Irradiation of Food: (Note: Irradiation is not the same as microwaving, but they are similar in that both use unnatural frequencies to alter food).


Well, it's half right. Irradiation (use of ionizing radiation to kill bacteria in food) and microwaving (use of microwaves to heat food) are completely different.

The bit about "unnatural frequencies" is complete nonsense. Ionizing radiation is perfectly natural. Hell, when radioactivity was first discovered, the snake oil industry had a field day selling products incorporating "this natural, essential source of healing energy." The suckers who bought them (the ones that actually included a significant amount of radioactive material, anyway) tended to get cancer from those naturally healful products. Do a quick googling for the Revigator water jar if you want an example. As for the microwaves, they don't alter food in any way that a gas stove can't. They make food hot. That's all.
 
2007-03-29 11:37:43 PM
MollyHell: how could anyone working in a hospital be so stupid as to microwave blood in the nurse's lounge.

img294.imageshack.us
 
2007-03-29 11:38:19 PM
www.moviepoopshoot.com
 
2007-03-29 11:42:35 PM
Everything
Everything gives you cancer
Everything
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Theres no cure, theres no answer
Everything gives you cancer

Dont touch that dial
Dont try to smile
Just take this pill
Its in your file

Dont work hard
Dont play hard
Dont plan for the graveyard
Remember -

Everything
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Everything
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Theres no cure, theres no answer
Everything gives you cancer

Dont work by night
Dont play by day
Youll feel all right
But you will pay

No caffeine
No protein
No booze or
Nicotine
Remember

-Joe Jackson
 
2007-03-29 11:43:04 PM
horsecore: they raise a paw
the bat, the cat
dolphin and dog
koala bear and hog...


Was that a random check for TMBG fans? :-)
 
2007-03-29 11:48:25 PM
Don't fret about the microwaves... The real killers apparently are DOCTORS!

http://www.relfe.com/A06/doctor_medical.html

//HTML-fu is weak tonight
 
2007-03-30 12:00:28 AM
just a little FYI, human red blood cells (ie what you you in a blood transfusion) are enucleated, or lack a nucleus. They don't have DNA in them, so the problem with nuking blood would not be "mutations in the DNA" but rather busting open the RBCs as they heat up and the water inside them expand.

When they burst, and are injected into a person, the body recognizes the busted RBCs as an injury, and something that needs to clot.

Basically, they transfused her with a time bomb for a blood clot, and she died from that.

Other critters (birds, and I think reptiles, though I could be wrong) have nucleated blood cells.
 
2007-03-30 12:02:02 AM
there is a They Might Be Giants song about blood cells? cool.
 
2007-03-30 12:04:23 AM
ha actually i kind of accidentally made my RAs microwave catch fire yesterday...

/blamed his girlfriend
//shh
 
2007-03-30 12:06:02 AM
The article is perhaps the finest example of JUNK SCIENCE I have ever seen.
 
2007-03-30 12:08:48 AM
JustHereForThePics:

And it's healthier if you bless your food!

http://www.relfe.com/pray_bless_food.html

Also lots of irrational hate for vaccinations on this site. Who cares that we no longer have Polio, Small Pox, HiB meningitis, and have greatly reduced the numbers of countless other diseases in this country: there's total bullshiat reports of increased autism in vaccinated children! Fight the man!

There is absolutely nothing in this world that pisses me off more than pseudo-science and pseudo-medicine. Fark you, Kevin Trudeau. Fark you, Joseph Mercola. Fark you, HIV denies. Fark you all.
 
2007-03-30 12:23:24 AM
This isn't even FARK, let alone news. It's just the ravings of some crackpot crank.
 
2007-03-30 12:48:16 AM
queezyweezel
Well, any electrical field is a magnetic field, (Electro magnetic field).

Nah, you need a changing electric field. If you've just got some charged plates, as long as the charges don't move you won't have a magnetic field. Magnetism is just the relativistic expression of the electric force- if you don't have movement of the charges, it reduces to a simple electric field.
 
2007-03-30 12:48:21 AM
We all know that this article is a bunch of poo. I suggest that everyone ignore it.

Of course, this flipping article will be circulated by all sorts of well meaning, but misguided twits. Way to feed an urban myth. Next thing you know, people will start believing in leprechauns, peagasuses, samsquatches, jesuses, etc.
 
2007-03-30 01:12:54 AM
From TFA:

Copyright ©: Stephanie Relfe - 1998 - 2010
 
2007-03-30 01:36:26 AM
I thought that standing in front of a microwave actually wasn't bad for you. Microwaves have a certain frequency and wavelength and the wavelength is larger than the holes in the mesh screen which block the waves, therefore, waves can not make it through the window.
 
2007-03-30 01:36:48 AM
I hate you smitty. I hate you, your goddamn shiatty website, and the fact that I wasted a minute skimming over that tripe.

If I see you, it's a cockpunch.
 
2007-03-30 01:43:41 AM
I once broke up with a beautiful girl over this kind of pseudoscience crap.
Twice, maybe.
 
2007-03-30 01:50:53 AM
How the hell did this get on the front page? Can I rent a $2 domain, spew random pseudo-scientific garbage, and pass it off as news to Fark too?

farking hillbillies.

/Please don't feed the ignorant.
 
2007-03-30 02:40:28 AM
Well, thank god I use safer cooking technology...

i23.photobucket.com
 
2007-03-30 02:44:23 AM
 
2007-03-30 03:11:12 AM
This article is a crock!

Here's the Norma Levitt lawsuit for anyone that's interested. If you don't want to read the entire article, here's the reason that heating blood in a microwave is not safe (this is from the article's footnotes)..."Heating blood in this manner destroys the red blood cells, resulting in "gross hemolysis" of the blood, releasing large amounts of potassium. Excessive potassium, when introduced into the body, is often fatal. The practice of warming Intravenous (IV) fluids, other than blood, in the microwave was an accepted practice at Hillcrest Medical Center, as reflected in its written procedures."
Norma Levitt lawsuit
 
2007-03-30 03:21:29 AM
Yes equusdc, Stephanie Relf (author of article) should DIAF.
 
2007-03-30 04:03:53 AM
Maybe the rest of us should learn to cook. Then cook the author. Old school-style, in a fire. It might not cause cancer, but the results could be entertaining.

/easy for me
//I'm a chef
///I cook slashies
 
2007-03-30 04:05:14 AM
I hate the kind of psychopathic morons who write this crap more than I hate most people.
 
2007-03-30 04:08:34 AM
This guy should get together with the TimeCube guy.
 
2007-03-30 04:47:17 AM
Bugler
You should read Waldo, by Robert Heinlein.
 
2007-03-30 06:23:45 AM
I don't own a micro-wave because I don't enjoy using them... but skimming over TFA I found this treasure...

Most of my clients came back to see me after about two weeks. In the early days I found that many who came back were not much better. I found that they were again `out of balance'. That is, their electrical circuits were not working correctly (which is common for many people). It was therefore not surprising that they were not much better, because the body does not begin to fully fix itself until the electrical circuits are in balance.

The question was, why did their electrical circuits go out of balance?


I'm assuming that the author's reasoning for including this was that anyone who bought into his previous mumbo-jumbo surely is too lazy/scared to read any further. After all, their monitor is transfering this information via RADIAMAZATION!!!
 
2007-03-30 06:59:58 AM
pornmonger

fark you.
 
2007-03-30 07:38:06 AM
I bet is I CAPS (BOLD) RANDOM WORDS my stupid ARGUMENT will lOOk betTER!
 
2007-03-30 08:15:46 AM
This guy should get together with the TimeCube guy.

She's probably a distant cousin or niece of that guy.
 
2007-03-30 08:33:25 AM
WBlows: I've always found it interesting that the vast majority
of people don't know how to use the power control.
Practically all microwaves will heat things in 10% increments from 10 up to 100.
Virtually everyone just blasts at 100% power whatever they have in it, even if they're just warming something up.


We're not too bright in America. That's why microwave ovens sent to the USA are quite often enhanced by the addition of a 'popcorn' button much to the amusement of our international friends, the ones we have left anyway.
 
2007-03-30 08:44:21 AM
It kills me how much someone can butcher scientific logic and reasoning by only seeing the results in their own light.

Microwaves are farking microwaves. Cooking is farking cooking. Anything cooked is going to have those carcinogenic substance cause it was farking heated to the point of severe 3rd degree burns. Because you cooked it, not because of the demonic microwave.

No farking shte.
/rantoff
 
2007-03-30 09:21:16 AM
You people are right, red blood cells don't have a nucleus and therfore don't have much dna.

However, red blood cells do have transmembrane proteins, and hemaglobin, the 4 segmented compound which carries oxygen.

Microwave radiation does alter proteins. The statement about intracellular potassium is correct, it would be harmful. Moreover, a bunch of damaged proteins will likely be recognized as foreign antigens and could also lead to anaphylactic shock.

The nurse was an idiot and should loose her license.

The statement about heated meat containing carcinogens is not unique to microwaves. If you heat meat by frying, grilling, or baking, you also create carcinogens. Any overcooked meat has more carcinogens that other meat.

However, the digestive system breaks down said carcinogens. If the lady drank the blood she would not have died (except for perhaps anemia.)

/delusional, malinformed article
/M.D.
 
2007-03-30 09:24:52 AM
I find it completely hysterical that people fall for the "microwaved blood" story as a reason for thinking that a microwave oven is dangerous. Umm - ok, let's be fair here and cook some blood on the stovetop and see if that kills someone too - OMG it DOES! BAN STOVETOPS! Let's see the logic here - cook the blood and make it DEAD, then shove it into someone's circulatory system - yeah - prolly a bad idear.

The same shiat goes for the "microwaved vs. tap water" plant experiment. Complete hogwash.
 
2007-03-30 09:27:43 AM
queezyweezel [TotalFark]

Cell phones probably do more harm to cells than microwave ovens.

You're absolutely right. The less-than-one-watt transmitter in your cell phone is surely more dangerous than the thousand-watt transmitter in your microwave.
 
2007-03-30 09:43:59 AM
Dear Author,
In order to prevent the Government Microwave Malnutrition Social Engineering Committee from reading your thoughts, please cap your skull with tin foil, override the doorswitch on your microwave and please, only think while your head is in the microwave and it is in operation.
 
2007-03-30 10:05:16 AM
raygundan: You're absolutely right. The less-than-one-watt transmitter in your cell phone is surely more dangerous than the thousand-watt transmitter in your microwave.

How often do you hold the magnetron to your head for hours on end, and then stuff it next to your crotch for the rest of the week when you're not using it?
 
2007-03-30 11:16:37 AM
Irradiation of Food: (Note: Irradiation is not the same as microwaving, but they are similar in that both use unnatural frequencies to alter food).

What the hell? These people are idiots.
 
2007-03-30 11:17:55 AM
bigredball.blogsome.com

Hail Bob!
 
2007-03-30 11:20:31 AM
Clearly if this is true, then fire is far more dangerous to use for cooking than microwaves. After all, the radiation emitted by fire is at far higher frequencies ZOMG.

These people need to stop drinking the kool-aid.
 
2007-03-30 11:34:19 AM
"use unnatural frequencies to alter food" This of course demands an answer.. what the Fark is a "natural" frequency?
 
2007-03-30 12:31:28 PM
Look, if someone can come up with a better way to stay warm during the winter than drawing your own blood, microwaving it and injecting it back in again, I would love to hear about it. Unfortunately, to the best of my knowledge no other such system exists.
 
2007-03-30 12:34:33 PM
"The violent change that microwaving causes to the food molecules forms new life forms called radiolytic compounds."

Are these new life forms peaceful, sentient, good at basketball?

I NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE NEW LIFE FORMS!!!
 
2007-03-30 12:36:51 PM
raygundan: You're absolutely right. The less-than-one-watt transmitter in your cell phone is surely more dangerous than the thousand-watt transmitter in your microwave.

One of the transmitters is in a microwave opaque metal cage, the other is not. I'll leave it up to you to figure out which is which.
 
2007-03-30 12:40:14 PM
vastrightwing: "use unnatural frequencies to alter food" This of course demands an answer.. what the Fark is a "natural" frequency?

Easy: The ones that are evenly divisible by 2.718281828459. Duh! Is my math geek showing?

These people are as crazy and off-base as the moon-landing hoax believers. It doesn't matter how much evidence to the contrary to their delusion, they always find "proof" they are right.
 
2007-03-30 01:37:17 PM
When I started dating my wife she told me that microwaved food was bad for you because the microwave would ionize the food. This would cause wastes in your body to stick to it which in turn makes it more difficult for your body to eliminate.

Whether or not you believe that, check out the ingredients and nutritional information for microwavable food, like those convienent TV dinners that take 10 minutes in the microwave (as opposed to 60 minutes in a regular oven.) They're laden with chemicals, perservatives, and high in fat.

Even if microwave ovens are harmless, and even if microwaves don't make food dangerous, most of the food we put into the microwave is already poisonous. So simply by avoiding microwave food and cooking real food more often, you will feel better, if for no other reason that non-microwaved food tastes better, and therefore makes you feel happier, more content.
 
2007-03-30 01:52:30 PM
amuro98: When I started dating my wife she told me that microwaved food was bad for you because the microwave would ionize the food. This would cause wastes in your body to stick to it which in turn makes it more difficult for your body to eliminate.

Damn dude. No flame intended, but "my wife told me" is about as good as "I saw this on TV once".

Fact: Microwaves produce non-ionizing radiation. The definition of which is: "electromagnetic radiation that does not carry enough energy to ionize atoms or molecules - that is, to completely remove an electron from an atom or molecule."

Fact: Non-ionizing electromagnetic radiation cannot "ionize the food."

Fact: An electric oven produces electromagnetic radiation in the infrared wavelength. People don't fear electric ovens because they are familiar to ignorant laymen.
 
2007-03-30 01:57:08 PM
I micro-wave in subby's general direction.
 
2007-03-30 03:30:39 PM
queezyweezel


Holy crap, this went green?! *First greenlight dance* I accidentally found this BS article while looking for information on phased antenna arrays for wifi/cellular communications.
As long as the seals on your oven are in good shape, it's no more harmful to you than the toaster.


Un-farking-believable. I've submitted a number of articles with clever headlines and haven't been on the front page 100 times before. No greenlights for me.

\ Guess the $5 a month really does make a difference
 
2007-03-30 04:50:51 PM
I recently heard that outside, which they say is the big room past the scary 'exit' door (which I take to mean 'do not enter') with the blue ceiling, that some IDIOT has actually installed a goddamned UNCONTROLLED FUSION REACTOR that just HANGS ON THE CEILING 12 HOURS a FREAKING DAY! Don't they know that they are BOMBARDING everyone with UNCONTROLLED RADIATION? There's something about Ozone to soak up the radiation like a big ol' sponge, but its just SMOG! Don't they know ANYTHING? I mean I saw a PICTURE of it once and it was SO BRIGHT that people couldn't even LOOK at it! As much as the flourescents buzz I can't imagine the NOISE it must make!

/adjusts the tinfoil hat
//adjusts the tinfoil jock
///tinfoil slashies!!
 
2007-03-30 06:29:22 PM
Miles D Davis Jr.
That is the single stupidest thing I have ever read on Fark.

Agreed. The part about microwaves creating new life forms was particularly memorable.
 
2007-03-30 08:57:29 PM
Actually, microwaves are used to heat frozen blood and plasma in hospital blood banks. Special microwaves, calibrated to a specific power output and with built in shaking apparatus to prevent areas being overheated and boiled. No such protections in the nurses lounge. It isn't microwaves, its the uneven heating/ boiling that lyses the cells and denatures the proteins.
 
2007-03-30 10:16:11 PM
vastrightwing
"use unnatural frequencies to alter food" This of course demands an answer.. what the Fark is a "natural" frequency?

They probably mean like infrared light (radiant heat). That's a "natural frequency" you can use to cook your food.
 
2007-03-31 04:02:16 AM
I know that you can destroy nutrients by microwaving food (or overheating it in general...), but I highly doubt that microwaves turn food into poisonous cancer-forming substances. Given, food doesn't taste as good when microwaved as when cooked regularly, but if the choice is between no vegetables and microwaved vegetables, I think it's better for your health to go with the latter.
 
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