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2007-03-29 10:27:12 PM
Queezyweezel, I used to work at a broadcasting company in Culver City. You stand in front of that stuff you die. Heard many a tale of guys standing in front of RF antennas and literally having their brains baked.
 
2007-03-29 10:27:32 PM
Bugler: Nobody talks about it, yet medical authorities say 'dont give cells to children'.. why not? We all know cell phones aren't ionizing radiation. Do you know something we don't?

no, they're just doing this thing called "covering thier asses".

it could be harmful to developing children. it could not. but if it IS, they won't be gettin' sued over it.
 
2007-03-29 10:29:23 PM
queezyweezel: It may kill cells, but it won't mutate them. Any RF engineers know exactly what happens to cells when they're exposed to high power RF radiation?

you don't need to be an RF engineer. everyone knows what happens when you put live small animals in a microwave. enough cruel asshats have posted videos to the effect. they boil, and the pressure makes them explode.
 
2007-03-29 10:29:43 PM
MollyHell

Queezyweezel, I used to work at a broadcasting company in Culver City. You stand in front of that stuff you die. Heard many a tale of guys standing in front of RF antennas and literally having their brains baked.


mmmmmmmm brains

/sorry
 
2007-03-29 10:32:02 PM
MollyHell: Queezyweezel, I used to work at a broadcasting company in Culver City. You stand in front of that stuff you die. Heard many a tale of guys standing in front of RF antennas and literally having their brains baked.

It's not that bad, depending on the focal point, power level, and exposure time. I work on Cell towers and Microwave relay sites. You need to limit your exposure time, and turn off the really high powered links when you go near them.
I've been "cooked" before, and it wasn't nice. 80Ghz high power beam and I put my hand near the focal point of the TX dish.
It felt like dipping your hand in boiling water, but there was no skin damage. I'm guessing the radio wave excites the water molecules in your skin/body and causes them to flip polarity/vibrate at the frequency of the wave.

I could see someone being incapacitated by a high powered RADAR array, but most transmission towers take a while to warm you up.
 
2007-03-29 10:34:52 PM
The energy out out by the typical microwave oven is that powerful. About 900 watts at 2.4 Ghz. That's a shiatload of energy as far as radio waves go.

With that said, modern ovens are pretty well shielded. I don't look in the oven while it's running and I stand away from it. That's just the radio amateur in me because I have had RF burns with much less energy and we have always been taught not to look into horn antennas and such to prevent eye damage.

I don't believe it's mutating the food though. Articles like this make me laugh, I stopped reading at this point: "The violent change that microwaving causes to the food molecules forms new life forms called radiolytic compounds."
 
2007-03-29 10:36:07 PM
Holy crap, this went green?! *First greenlight dance* I accidentally found this BS article while looking for information on phased antenna arrays for wifi/cellular communications.
As long as the seals on your oven are in good shape, it's no more harmful to you than the toaster.
 
2007-03-29 10:37:07 PM
Turn out all lights, then watch a CD you don't want cook in the microwave for a few seconds on high power.

Nice Z-machine sparkly effect will ensue!
 
2007-03-29 10:37:10 PM
You can't wear your tin foil hat in there either

/just sayin
 
2007-03-29 10:37:12 PM
By the way, on most ovens adjusting the power does no actual adjusting of the power. It just cuts the magnetron on and off at intervals which attempts to simulate power levels.
 
2007-03-29 10:37:16 PM
MollyHell

Queezyweezel, I used to work at a broadcasting company in Culver City. You stand in front of that stuff you die. Heard many a tale of guys standing in front of RF antennas and literally having their brains baked.

Snopes says False.
 
2007-03-29 10:37:52 PM
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!...*catches breath*...AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

where to start...

They studied the effect that microwaved food had on eight individuals, by taking blood samples immediately after eating. They found that after eating microwaved food, haemoglobin levels decreased.

Blood rushes to your stomach during digestion...nothing special about microwaved food.

Other kinesiologists can confirm these results. David Bridgman, who has years of experience as a kinesiologist, said "Of all the people I test for allergies, 99.9% so far show severe sensitivity to any microwaved food".

Wow, it's a good thing that we have a registered kinesiologist looking out for our allergies to microwaved food. I guess he wasn't lying when he said that, because 112% of the people *cough*n=0*cough* that I test for allergies also show a severe sensitivity to microwaved food.

/TFA is so dumb that I can't even call it pseudoscience
//hell, the "schematics" for comic book technology are more believable.
 
2007-03-29 10:37:56 PM
vodka: That's just the radio amateur in me because I have had RF burns with much less energy and we have always been taught not to look into horn antennas and such to prevent eye damage.

Good call. I wonder why the eyes are so much more sensitive to RF radiation than the rest of the body. I'm guessing that it's the thin membrane, and fact that they're full of water.
 
2007-03-29 10:38:00 PM
Queezy, we had damn big dishes. RF antennas are different than the microwave ones, I assume you are talking about the ones that look like drums and are straight projection? Guys did sometimes die. Not often, of course.
 
2007-03-29 10:39:17 PM
As Mitch once said.."I don't have a microwave oven, I have a clock that can cook things."
 
2007-03-29 10:40:27 PM
SwiftFox, Snopes says false to what, RF antennas killing men or that I worked for a broadcasting company in Culver City, CA? How DARE Snopes!!!
 
2007-03-29 10:40:45 PM
SwiftFox: Snopes says False.

The military and FCC say true.

Well not brains boiling and such, but you can do serious damage to your body by spending too much time near an energized antenna.
 
2007-03-29 10:40:47 PM
This thread is useless without a bucket of Strontium 90 and a live trillobite!
 
2007-03-29 10:41:36 PM
this is beyond not news, it is WTF greenlight
 
2007-03-29 10:42:57 PM
MollyHell: Queezy, we had damn big dishes. RF antennas are different than the microwave ones, I assume you are talking about the ones that look like drums and are straight projection? Guys did sometimes die. Not often, of course.

Are you talking about transmitters for microwave satellite uplinks (eg feeds to DTV and dish network)?
 
2007-03-29 10:46:09 PM
queezyweezel:

Do you have an opinion of biological organisms sitting inside an active electrical field, perhaps magnetic field also? I'm thinking about the fields generated by high tension power lines.. the magnetic field lasts out to about 300 metres.. electrical, less so.

I wonder how it affects the body to be inside a field over an extended duration of time.
 
2007-03-29 10:49:54 PM
If you scroll down to the bottom of the page you can click on the little tabs to see the stuff they are trying to sell. That page is just a big bulls*it ad.
 
2007-03-29 10:50:36 PM
vodka:

panasonic makes a microwave that uses a solid state circuitry.. it allows it to run continously at any power level you choose rather than cycling the power on and off.. I'm thinking about trying one of those out, even though the boards don't have the best lifetimes.
 
2007-03-29 10:51:00 PM
queezyweezel img.fark.com
SwiftFox: Snopes says False.

The military and FCC say true.

Well not brains boiling and such, but you can do serious damage to your body by spending too much time near an energized antenna.


Well, obviously, but it doesn't seem to have happened on an acute basis, at least as far as can be documented.

My own father has told me a credible-sounding story of a guy whose pocket burst into flame, because he was carrying a packet of foil-wrapped gum in front of a radar antenna.
 
2007-03-29 10:51:04 PM
Basically, Queezel, though different clients than DirectTV. I am trying to remember who we used to broadcast 24 hours a day, and failing. I forced almost all info of them out of my mind when I left that foul job.
 
2007-03-29 10:56:02 PM
DIAM ????
 
2007-03-29 10:56:10 PM
Bugler: Do you have an opinion of biological organisms sitting inside an active electrical field, perhaps magnetic field also?
Well, any electrical field is a magnetic field, (Electro magnetic field). Depending on the frequency, some fields are more harmful than others.
Low frequencies like the 50/60hz fieled generated by power lines are probably less dangerous than microwave energy (2,400,000,000hz for wifi, or a microwave).

I'm thinking about the fields generated by high tension power lines.. the magnetic field lasts out to about 300 metres.. electrical, less so.

There are studies that "prove" that EMF/EMR generated by power lines causes cancer in human cells, and studies that "prove" it's perfectly safe.

I'm no expert on the subject (I'm a network engineer with a strong RF background), but I feel that directing any sort of energy at a living organism for an extended period of time is not the safest thing in the world to do.
Having a laptop in your lap all day, or a cellphone stuck to your head are probably more likely to give you cancer than being near a high tension power line though. Most studies I've seen seem to agree that high frequency EMF/EMR is more dangerous than low frequency.

I wonder how it affects the body to be inside a field over an extended duration of time.
Could kill you, could give your children super powers.

Nobody really knows......although I personally wouldn't buy a house with a cellphone tower, radio station tower, or high tension line near it.
 
2007-03-29 11:01:13 PM
I wonder how many copies of "Catcher in the Rye" this guy has. I also think my IQ went negative.
 
2007-03-29 11:01:44 PM
SwiftFox: MollyHell

Queezyweezel, I used to work at a broadcasting company in Culver City. You stand in front of that stuff you die. Heard many a tale of guys standing in front of RF antennas and literally having their brains baked.

Snopes says False.


So does Mythbusters
 
2007-03-29 11:03:21 PM
2007-03-29 10:37:56 PM queezyweezel [TotalFark]

Good call. I wonder why the eyes are so much more sensitive to RF radiation than the rest of the body. I'm guessing that it's the thin membrane, and fact that they're full of water.

I think it's because the eye is one of the few places where you have living cells right at the surface, without some wet-but-dead skin to protect them. At microwave frequencies, the penetration depth of the radiation is quite small (moreso as you go toward higher frequency), so a few mm of skin can make a big difference to the cells underneath. It could just be that those tissues are particularly sensitive to heat damage, too.
 
2007-03-29 11:03:53 PM
illicit

I was under the assumption that even if you had your nose pressed up to the glass for 20 years, you wouldn't get any radiation at all, because that mesh that covers every microwave door, and is presumably present in some form all the way around, is a faraday cage which blocks the waves from getting out. Not true?
 
2007-03-29 11:07:13 PM
GreenSlime

I wonder how many copies of "Catcher in the Rye" this guy has.

Tell me about the Bunnies in the microwave again, George.
 
2007-03-29 11:11:35 PM
Heh, I just found a decent site explaining RF radiation and its hazards:


Looks like the eyes and balls are in danger because they lack suitable blood flow to cool the tissue while being exposed to RF radiation. The damage comes from overheating the tissue.

JericoPaladin: I was under the assumption that even if you had your nose pressed up to the glass for 20 years, you wouldn't get any radiation at all, because that mesh that covers every microwave door, and is presumably present in some form all the way around, is a faraday cage which blocks the waves from getting out. Not true?

True. The grid on the front of the microwave is small enough that the microwaves cannot penetrate through the screen. If you're getting exposed to microwave radiation (radio waves), your skin gets hot, Fast!
 
2007-03-29 11:12:24 PM
said site:
http://www.hps.org/publicinformation/ate/faqs/radiofrequencyqa.html
 
2007-03-29 11:14:10 PM
This article is the biggest pile of pig shiat I have ever seen, and I grew up on a hog farm.

#1 - radiation is not bad. It is just energy. Heat (IR) and light (Vis) are both radiation. Radiation has become a panic word like nuclear.

#2 - microwaves induce "spinning" in the molecules that absorb them. This creates heat. Stuff doesn't heat from

#3 - microwaved food is not irradiated by ionizing radiation produced from a nuclear reaction. Also, irradiated food (food that has been exposed to ionizing radiation) does not become radioactive. Radioactive contamination causes things to become radioactive. If you see that food has been "irradiated" it is perfectly safe. You won't get cancer from standing next to it.


This fear mongering in the article is typical. They play to people who are uninformed.

An MRI is actually a NMRI, for example. MRI stands for Magnetic Resonance Imaging, but is actually Nuclear Magnetic Resonance Imaging. They took the Nuclear off because people are idiots and get upset whenever they hear the word Nuclear.


From their main website disclaimer:

DISCLAIMER:The information on this website is not medical science or medical advice. This information is not backed up by scientific evidence. This is just for your information.

In other words: WE ARE MAKING THIS SHIAT UP!
 
2007-03-29 11:15:33 PM
#2 should say "stuff doesn't heat from the inside out" at the end. Got deleted accidently

sorry
 
2007-03-29 11:16:22 PM
Another headline on this site:

"The most awesome article explaining why we don't hear how very much more successful alternative health is than AMA-qualified medicine!"

Alternative medicine bullshiat makes the Baby Jesus cry.

Another great one:

"Man Lives to 256 Years Old Eating Lycium (Goji) Berries."

God, people are stupid.
 
2007-03-29 11:16:50 PM
2007-03-29 11:11:35 PM queezyweezel TotalFark]

If you're getting exposed to microwave radiation (radio waves), your skin gets hot, Fast!

Erm, maybe. If rig the switch and run with the door open, you'll get hot fast. But the shielding of the door is never perfect, so a few milliwatts will leak out (more around the door than through the screen). It's enough to screw with your wifi connection if it's close enough to your computer or AP, but far too little to feel.
 
2007-03-29 11:17:00 PM
Interesting disclaimer from TFA:

Irradiation of Food: (Note: Irradiation is not the same as microwaving, but they are similar in that both use unnatural frequencies to alter food).
 
2007-03-29 11:17:38 PM
JericoPaladin

Forgot about the mesh. Yes, if the holes are smaller than 1-2 mm (average wavelength of microwaves) they will be blocked.
 
2007-03-29 11:24:51 PM
iammess:

Yes but I am curious to know about the effect of square waved pulsed EMF on biology.. our nervous system is supposedly electrical in nature. If it is electrical, then it stands to reason continuously pulsing away at it might do something.

I've also heard about electro-sensitive individuals, and while some of them it's psychosomatic I'm sure, but for others it's certainly theoretically possible they have somehow managed to detect the cycling of active transmitters. Populations are not homogeneous, they're a fractal curve, and there's always the x-factor. We can all get aids for example, but supposedly there's a group of people who cannot due to some protein. There's extremely few of them. So why not a group of people who can detect electricity in a negative way.. Sweden has more than any other country in the world.. unless it's mass hysteria, perhaps the swedish population has a recessive that is coming out or something.

When we make statements that are black and white, part of it is to reassure ourselves, but we don't necessarily know it all. Doctors used to recommend cigarettes as part of a healthy diet.
 
2007-03-29 11:26:05 PM
Visible Light. On the right, getting shorter and shorter and more offensive, you have bad stuff, ultraviolet and the even shorter, more energetic and ionizing stuff, gamma etc. Very energetic, smashes stuff up, splits atoms, knocks of neutrons, etc. And splits off your inherited tendency to download porn. On the left, you have longer and longer wavelengths, less and less scary and energetic, your infra reds and then radio waves. The shortest radio waves, just past infrared are teeny tiny, like, micro they're so small. Hey, wait a minute, why don't we call them microwaves? They love water and they heat it up, and water loves them, so FAA radars have a real hard time seeing the airplanes around the thunderstorms, but burritos love them. Put something in your microwave like toast with no water in it and nothing happens.

If you put your cat (full of water) in the microwave or yourself (full of water) in front of a radar antennae and crank them up to 11 you will at some point make baby jeebus cry. But only because the water in you and the cat got real hot and you and the cat exploded. Your dna sprayed around intact.
 
2007-03-29 11:27:05 PM
Professor Science: It's enough to screw with your wifi connection if it's close enough to your computer or AP, but far too little to feel.

True.
Many microwaves will leak a fair amount of RF when they are empty and turned on. We turned on the Spectrum Analyzer at the lab and tuned it to 2-4Ghz and fired up the microwave. The SA (in the next room) went through the roof, and registered about .25W at 20ft. We put a burrito in the microwave and fired it up, and you could barely see the microwave RF on the meter (.025W if I remember right)
 
2007-03-29 11:29:22 PM
sirgrim: FTA:There was a lawsuit in 1991 in Oklahoma. A woman named Norma Levitt had hip surgery, but was killed by a simple blood transfusion when a nurse "warmed the blood for the transfusion in a microwave oven!"

Doesn't radiation rip about DNA? What did they think would happen?


Now, I'm no scientist, but if I know my They Might Be Giants song's correctly, mammals have red blood cells lacking a nucleus... consequently, no DNA, because that is where DNA resides.
 
2007-03-29 11:34:44 PM
My understanding is that a "micro" wave is about 4 3/4"(frequency of 2450 MHz (a wavelength of 12.24 cm))
So yeah, the screen in the door, gaps around the edge & etc would all appear as a solid surface. Works as longs as the gaps are smaller than the wavelength. That's why they can use screen for the surface of satellite dishes, and for engine intake covers on stealth planes...


A question for those more knowledgeable than me:
Being that this all occurs within the electromagnetic spectrum, given that very, very high frequency radiation is known to be bad(gamma & etc), wouldn't it stand to reason that the lower you go, frequency wise, the "better" it is?

Isn't normal heating via infrared several orders of magnitude higher frequency than microwaves?

/UGGGHHH! Fire! Bad! UGGGHHH!
 
2007-03-29 11:35:16 PM
they raise a paw
the bat, the cat
dolphin and dog
koala bear and hog...
 
2007-03-29 11:35:17 PM
2007-03-29 11:17:00 PM Shadyman

Interesting disclaimer from TFA:

Irradiation of Food: (Note: Irradiation is not the same as microwaving, but they are similar in that both use unnatural frequencies to alter food).


Well, it's half right. Irradiation (use of ionizing radiation to kill bacteria in food) and microwaving (use of microwaves to heat food) are completely different.

The bit about "unnatural frequencies" is complete nonsense. Ionizing radiation is perfectly natural. Hell, when radioactivity was first discovered, the snake oil industry had a field day selling products incorporating "this natural, essential source of healing energy." The suckers who bought them (the ones that actually included a significant amount of radioactive material, anyway) tended to get cancer from those naturally healful products. Do a quick googling for the Revigator water jar if you want an example. As for the microwaves, they don't alter food in any way that a gas stove can't. They make food hot. That's all.
 
2007-03-29 11:37:43 PM
MollyHell: how could anyone working in a hospital be so stupid as to microwave blood in the nurse's lounge.

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2007-03-29 11:38:19 PM
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2007-03-29 11:42:35 PM
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