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(Salt Lake Tribune)   Pot distributes 350,000 anti-Kettle DVDs in Utah, hoping to convince Mormons their religion is a cult   (sltrib.com) divider line 180
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2007-03-28 04:27:47 PM
The article is better if you swap LSD for the twelve times it mentions LDS .

/but not much better
 
2007-03-28 04:37:44 PM
When do you draw the line at cult VS religion?
So the LDS are based on a book that's probably a work of fiction.
I'd say that most religions have the same origin.
The only thing the established world religions have over LDS is the amount of time since initial publication of their holy book.
 
2007-03-28 04:46:35 PM
Well, if you look at the definition for the word "cult":

cult -noun
1.a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2.an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3.the object of such devotion.
4.a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5.Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
6.a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
7.the members of such a religion or sect.
8.any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.


You will find that all except #6 and #8 apply to EVERY religion. Even #6 kind of applies, since every religion believes the other religions have got it wrong.. thus fulfilling the "considered to be false" aspect. (I will agree that this might be considered "iffy")

So yes.. Mormonism, Catholicism, Islam and all the rest are technically "Cults", at least according to the Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. (Me? I don't really know)
 
2007-03-28 05:21:31 PM
www.scifimoviepage.com

Oh, him? He's harmless. Part of the free speech movement at Berkeley in the sixties. I think he did a little too much LDS.
 
2007-03-28 05:40:18 PM
ronin: Me? I don't really know

had this conversation several times, and at least in as so far as practical application of the term....i still think time, and number of followers are the main differences.
 
2007-03-28 06:10:31 PM
heap: i still think time, and number of followers are the main differences.

Those are perfectly reasonable criteria. My "argument" was pure semantical.. very similar to a discussion I had all week about what criteria had to be met in order to classify something as a zombie.. in that case, as in this one, I feel that the dictionary definition is a bit too broad.

Me, when I picture a cult, I usually imagine an organization that punishes or restrains anyone that seeks to shed their religious affiliation. The utilization of hardcore brainwashing techniques (such as protein or sleep deprivation,) also seem to be fairly big indicators. Heh.

Like I said, I don't really know. Religions and Cults aren't really "my bag". Came for the article, stayed for the semantics.
 
2007-03-28 06:14:51 PM
I was bummed out I didn't get one.
 
2007-03-28 06:30:29 PM
wait wait wait...

home.kc.rr.com
 
2007-03-28 06:32:11 PM
+1 from me subby, well done...
 
2007-03-28 06:40:17 PM
who knew pot could be so motivated?
 
2007-03-28 06:41:37 PM
Religion and cult have the same definition, same meaning. However, cult has a negative connotation.

cult = negative
religion = neutral
The One Ture Path for All God's Children = positive
 
2007-03-28 06:42:16 PM
I can only hope someone posts a rip of it somewhere on the net

i'm sure it could be the start of a a fantastic drinking game
 
2007-03-28 06:42:23 PM
All religions are cults. Some are just really successful cults.
 
2007-03-28 06:42:30 PM
There you go subby using the race card.
 
2007-03-28 06:44:30 PM
utter_bastard: All religions are cults. Some are just really successful cults.

HERESY!

Some are just more cult-y than others.
 
2007-03-28 06:47:38 PM
lol...brb
 
2007-03-28 06:47:53 PM
These are the same kind of jerks that claimed that playing Dungeons and Dragons would give one satanic mind control powers.

What a bunch of liers, I read their book, and took their advice and all I got from 10 yead of D&D was ... not laid.

I'm not listening to their kind again.
 
2007-03-28 06:48:48 PM
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Amateurs. People have no grasp of what they do.
 
2007-03-28 06:48:57 PM
ronin

very similar to a discussion I had all week about what criteria had to be met in order to classify something as a zombie

Sir, you and I could probably have a VERY long converstaion about said topic

But this is a Mormon thread so my .02 is
Didn't know what they were till I moved down here from Chicago when I was 16. They creeped me out then, they scare me now BUT If you ever get the chance to bang a Mormon chick, dude, go for it.
 
2007-03-28 06:49:43 PM
Now all we need is the scientologists, a few clams, and an actor and we got ourselves the making of the plot for "Hot Dog the Movie 3: Fun Without the Bun"
 
2007-03-28 06:49:45 PM
Ah, religious tolerance, the main stay of a modern western coulture, and one of the tenants of the United States Constitution.

The fundies really DO hate America, can't we give them an island or something to run into the ground?
 
2007-03-28 06:50:44 PM
submitter: Pot distributes 350,000 anti-Kettle DVDs in Utah, hoping to convince Mormons their religion is a cult

That'll show them..
 
2007-03-28 06:50:57 PM
And Christians wonder why they are persecuted...
 
2007-03-28 06:51:51 PM
FTA: "Lots of people are asking for more information," he said

Like "I'd like know who left this on my doorknob" and "Did this come from the 'Love your neighbors' Christians or the 'Everyone else is wrong headed and doomed to hell Christians'"?

Why didn't they just send out copies of the "South Park" episode? They could cut off the end where the characters decide religion doesn't have to make sense.
 
2007-03-28 06:52:16 PM
Mormons = DIAF
 
2007-03-28 06:53:27 PM
In America you are free to practice any religion you want, as long as it's Christianity.
 
2007-03-28 06:53:44 PM
Troll much, subby?

/outta here
 
2007-03-28 06:53:44 PM
"Those are perfectly reasonable criteria. My "argument" was pure semantical.. very similar to a discussion I had all week about what criteria had to be met in order to classify something as a zombie"

/Is this what they talk about in college now?
//Maybe I am showing my age but we used to spend all our efforts trying to get laid
 
2007-03-28 06:54:03 PM
Abagadro I was bummed out I didn't get one.

You can view it online: link to video.

And there's a fun story behind it. Some very fundamentalist evangelical Christians (from the likes of www.carm.org), decided to prove "once and for all" that the Mormon church is bunk. They made this DVD in secret, and then requested help from other Christian churches to expose the cult. They demanded that this was to be kept secret until March 25. Most Christian churches were turned off by the idea. Only a few of the most fundamentalist ones agreed to distribute it for them.

Well, some secular ex-Mormon got wind of it, and posted it on his blog. He definitely isn't a fan of Mormons, but thought this DVD was far worse than the Mormon church. So he posted some info that it's coming out, what it has in it, etc.

After the post, he got several threats from these Christ-like disciples, threatining to hack his site and censor him for exposing their secret. That, of course, made him laugh.

So a few LDS folks got a hold of the DVD early, posted it to google video. A bunch of people also got together and wrote up a good rebuttal to the DVD. http://www.josephsmithdvd.org.
 
2007-03-28 06:55:43 PM
rkane1
"I can only hope someone posts a rip of it somewhere on the net

i'm sure it could be the start of a a fantastic drinking game"

/I like your thinking, Sir
 
2007-03-28 06:56:16 PM
Max Brooks has excellent insights into your "classify something as a zombie" discussions. We spend hours discussing zombies. (Best Zombie Fortress = Home Improvement Store.)

/Leave the Mormons alone. Its nobody's business but their own.
 
2007-03-28 06:58:13 PM
Kettle... you magnificent bastard, *I read your book*!
 
2007-03-28 06:58:25 PM
alcoholwasinvolved

Yeah, and Jews, and Muslims, and Republicans, Democrats, Liberals, Conservatives, Conspiracy-theorists, and basically everyone that I may not agree with today.
 
2007-03-28 06:58:32 PM
All I know is if I had to live next door to a religious fanatic I'd choose a Mormon.

Nice people.
 
2007-03-28 07:00:15 PM
Cults imply that some harm is being done. Drinking poison-laced Kool Aid = cult.
 
2007-03-28 07:00:53 PM
"All I know is if I had to live next door to a religious fanatic I'd choose a Mormon.

Nice people."

And with all those wives, they get so much more done around the house.
 
2007-03-28 07:01:04 PM
www.spurgeonworld.com

Good news, everyone!
 
2007-03-28 07:01:38 PM
I was so hoping the "Pot" people were Scientologists...
 
2007-03-28 07:01:43 PM
When you invite your Mormon neighbor over, how do you keep him from drinking all your beer? Invite another Mormon.

/seen it happen
 
2007-03-28 07:02:54 PM
DUM DUM DUM DUm DUM
 
2007-03-28 07:03:00 PM
ronin Me, when I picture a cult, I usually imagine an organization that punishes or restrains anyone that seeks to shed their religious affiliation.

Well, some Christians seem to advocate that sort of thing. One time I was looking through some books in a certain religious relative's house, and found one that described how to hold an "intervention" for a "backsliding" Christian. (Backsliding means they don't really follow the religion anymore.) In a nutshell, it said you get a bunch of strong Christians together and sort of corner the person and bombard them with Bible verses and prayer and whatnot, until they realize the errors of their ways and return to the faith. It mentioned that this might take many, many hours if "Satan's grip" on the person was strong. It kinda spooked me, to be perfectly honest.

/doesn't visit that relative much any more
 
2007-03-28 07:04:00 PM
helix400: You can view it online: link to video.

I have no interest in actually watching it. I just felt left out.
 
2007-03-28 07:05:05 PM
I have been around a lot of religions and I must say, anyone who sits through the six discussions with the Mormon folk that come to the door, and come away thinking that their story sounds viable has to be absolutely batshiat crazy.

Joe Smith could probably con the greatest of cons.
 
2007-03-28 07:06:17 PM
Abagadro I have no interest in actually watching it. I just felt left out.

Heh.
 
2007-03-28 07:06:18 PM
All these Orthodox missionary efforts against LDS is hilarious.
 
2007-03-28 07:06:48 PM
dillenger69: The only thing the established world religions have over LDS is the amount of time since initial publication of their holy book.

Well, I mean I doubt Buddha was a con-man, so there are ways to get a leg up of LDS.
 
2007-03-28 07:07:26 PM
moof: I was so hoping the "Pot" people were Scientologists...

Me too! Me too! Lol

/A scientology/LDS battle would have epic implications...
//WTF. Nobody would care who won.
 
2007-03-28 07:07:36 PM
dillenger69

When do you draw the line at cult VS religion?
So the LDS are based on a book that's probably a work of fiction.
I'd say that most religions have the same origin.
The only thing the established world religions have over LDS is the amount of time since initial publication of their holy book.


Mormons also use the King James version of the Bible. So it's more the time since they were established and their use of a second set of scripture that sets them apart.
 
2007-03-28 07:07:40 PM
Hey I have an idea. Why don't they spend all that time and money helping poor people and stuff.
 
2007-03-28 07:07:46 PM
By the way, anyone who truly believes in their religion of choice should have feel an obligation to try to get as many people to join them as they can. I see nothing wrong with religions trying to get more to join as long as it is because they feel that they are on the right path and not just to up their numbers and money in the collection plate...
 
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