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(New Scientist)   The next in a long line of Fark circumcision flamewars: World Health Organization hails circumcision as vital in HIV fight   (newscientist.com) divider line 854
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2007-03-28 02:30:41 PM
Nice pun Embden.Meyerhof.
img242.imageshack.us
 
2007-03-28 02:30:44 PM
21-7-b: i wonder if this is solely because of a loss of sensation increasing control, or whether there is another factor involved?

Less likely to have traces of various fluids being kept in close proximity to mucous membranes for extended periods of time, I'd wager.
 
2007-03-28 02:30:58 PM
"And now I've got the JDL on my ass."
"JDL?"
"Jewish Defense League."
 
2007-03-28 02:31:01 PM
New Moon Rabbit: Get over it, you had it done as an infant...

I was actually about 5. Not that I really care though...
 
2007-03-28 02:31:11 PM
Did you hear about the Rabbi that did budget circumcisions?
He only took tips!

/Only funny thing I have ever heard Al Franken say
//well other than "I'm running for Senate"
 
2007-03-28 02:31:26 PM
Thorak: I just don't get why circumcision should be pushed, in the Western world, as much as it is.

The ladies prefer it.

That's all it is.

Mommy's misandrist little choice.
 
2007-03-28 02:31:35 PM
Thorak: I guess my biggest issue is that, as much as a given mutilating practice may be encouraged in a given culture, that doesn't mean other cultures will understand it. I'm not even saying it's bad, I just don't get why circumcision should be pushed, in the Western world, as much as it is.

Tradition? *shrug* Why do we shake with the right hand these days, when we no longer wear swords strapped to our belts?
 
2007-03-28 02:31:53 PM
I_C_Weener: Well, for one, there are no studies saying that cutting up a woman's hoo haw will help stop the spread of AIDS. See, that is why its relevant to distinguish it.

Time to get a lop-it-off-a-me.


I'd rather use condoms and avoid sleeping with random women, but I guess if you'd rather have somebody cut your penis, go nuts.
 
2007-03-28 02:32:23 PM
I'll never suck an uncut cock again!
 
2007-03-28 02:32:30 PM
Man, I could talk about foreskins all day.
 
2007-03-28 02:32:33 PM
www.recipetips.com
 
2007-03-28 02:32:34 PM
In places like Egypt, more than 90% of women are "circumcised" and the same % believe that men prefer women that way (which might actually be true in Egypt) and want their daughters to be like that as well!

And I'm sure all the Grand High Priests in the Egyptian Local Clit-Choppers 101 will be swayed from their evil ways by your awareness-raising threadjack. Idiot.
 
2007-03-28 02:32:53 PM
Tatsuma: And by circumcision, they mean male circumcision, not female mutilation

and how is it different?
 
2007-03-28 02:32:58 PM
stop touching my junk.

/circumcised AND vasectomied
 
2007-03-28 02:33:10 PM
Cutting it off completely would almost eliminate AIDS transmission.
 
2007-03-28 02:33:10 PM
I'm no fan of it, but it is proven to fight off infection.

/speaking only of the male kind of course.
 
2007-03-28 02:33:13 PM
There've actually been flamewars over circumcision? Christ, Fark has everything.
 
2007-03-28 02:33:30 PM
Tatsuma

In places like Egypt, more than 90% of women are "circumcised"

Please tell me you exaggerated that number for dramatic effect.
 
2007-03-28 02:33:37 PM
JDAT: I'm no fan of it, but it is proven to fight off infection.

so is bathing
 
2007-03-28 02:33:56 PM
lesse. Cutting of the most sensitive part of a womans sex organs == mutiliation

Cutting off the most sensitive part of a mans sex organs == AIDS prevention.

/Smells a feminist agenda
//Condoms control AIDS a lot better then circumcision.
 
2007-03-28 02:34:00 PM
Once you get cut, you won't get the bug.

/go nothing
 
2007-03-28 02:34:05 PM
bake420: and how is it different?

The male equivalent of the female version would be chopping the entire glans off.

The Invisible Sky Wizard: There've actually been flamewars over circumcision? Christ, Fark has everything.

Often. They're generally hidden within other threads, but they do happen.
 
2007-03-28 02:34:08 PM
Note to self: Get cut before you take your next unprotected sex tour of Kenya.
 
2007-03-28 02:34:29 PM
21-7-b: i wonder if this is solely because of a loss of sensation increasing control, or whether there is another factor involved?

Well, no matter how well you clean a flap, its still not going to be as easy to clean as a flat surface. Simple physics.

Add to that Africa (where this is very important) is not known for great clean water supplies to ensure adequate hygiene.

So, eliminate the fomunda pocket, and you get an easier to clean surface...even when we are talking about a surface that you are cleaning off HIV infected fluids.
 
2007-03-28 02:34:34 PM
TheNintendoKid: "And now I've got the JDL on my ass."
"JDL?"
"Jewish Defense League."


images.quizilla.com
 
2007-03-28 02:34:49 PM
fluffy2097: //Condoms control AIDS a lot better then circumcision.

And condoms are not always available in the places where the WHO is worrying about AIDS transmission.
 
2007-03-28 02:34:51 PM
muninsfire: The male equivalent of the female version would be chopping the entire glans off.

the effect is the same, if varying degrees...less sexual satisfaction
 
2007-03-28 02:34:57 PM
So long at it's kept clean, you leave your hat on, I say.
 
2007-03-28 02:34:58 PM
Tatsuma


And by circumcision, they mean male circumcision, not female mutilation


Its mutilation either way.
 
2007-03-28 02:35:17 PM
Amputating a child's left arm is a certain way to ensure he's right handed!!

Even if it were the cure for AIDs it is still excessive and unnecessary. Last time I checked infants aren't having sex... not to mention condoms still work better.

So would you cut off your child's left arm to ensure he's right handed when other, less invasive, and equally effective measures exist?

All I ask is that you let the child decide when he's old enough (12-ish), because it is simply unnecessary before that age to amputate.
 
2007-03-28 02:35:28 PM
Yeah but us cut folks can last longer than you green-beaners...
 
2007-03-28 02:35:29 PM
BrotherTheodore: The ladies prefer it.


Never had any complaints. And typically, by the time they find out, they're pretty dedicated to the task at hand anyway. A little extra skin doesn't scare em off.

muninsfire: Tradition? *shrug* Why do we shake with the right hand these days, when we no longer wear swords strapped to our belts?

The difference being that shaking hands doesn't involve a knife coming into contact with my penis.
 
2007-03-28 02:35:31 PM
muninsfire: And condoms are not always available in the places where the WHO is worrying about AIDS transmission.

ahhh, but the machetes are
 
2007-03-28 02:35:36 PM
Thorak:
I just don't get why circumcision should be pushed, in the Western world, as much as it is.

So the jews can blend in easier?

BrotherTheodore:
The ladies prefer it.

Nah. So far every single American female I bonked told me she'll never have sex with a cut guy again.
 
2007-03-28 02:35:42 PM
bake420: the effect is the same, if varying degrees...less sexual satisfaction

Having no basis for comparison, I don't really mind it.
 
2007-03-28 02:35:43 PM
savage_world: Please tell me you exaggerated that number for dramatic effect.

Nope. Just type Egypt + FGM + Poll and you will get plenty of results. Not just them. There are at least 10 countries where women are mutilated in a 80-99% fashion

I'll give you a link
 
2007-03-28 02:36:02 PM
I'm glad we had our boy circ'd. I get why some parents choose not to, but I think the benefits for him and his future partners outweigh not doing it.
 
2007-03-28 02:36:04 PM
Thorak:"I'd rather use condoms and avoid sleeping with random women"

Random women?? Sounds like a sexy party on the way

www.stealthputter.com
 
2007-03-28 02:36:10 PM
Anyone else see the irony of a person names Dickson talking about dicks?
 
2007-03-28 02:36:11 PM
Thorak: And don't give me that "cleanliness" crap either. It's called "bathing". It takes an extra 20 seconds in the shower to clean properly.

Shoot, I'm cut, and I still spend at least a few minutes getting it extra clean.
 
2007-03-28 02:36:20 PM
bake420: the effect is the same, if varying degrees...less sexual satisfaction

One could consider it to be a 'performance enhancing modification' in males--because there are, apparently, more than enough one-minute-wonders out there who could use a little less sensation..... ;-þ
 
2007-03-28 02:36:31 PM
There's gotta be some secondary motivation/reason behind this. It's almost like they are condoning not using condoms.

/wear a condom
//end of story
 
2007-03-28 02:36:38 PM
This is really just for the "brown people" that live in 3rd world shiatholes and can't be bothered to learn about AIDS.
 
2007-03-28 02:36:44 PM
I think it's great that we have people willing to mutilate the penises of infants.

I mean, it must be "cleaner." Hell, I'm planning on chopping my ears off next week so they'll be "cleaner" too.

Oh, and I hear raping a virgin cures AIDS too.
 
2007-03-28 02:36:58 PM
Why didn't this get the weener tag?
 
2007-03-28 02:37:01 PM
Yes, by all means, if you live in a third-world country plagued by HIV, then mutilate your kid. Heck, in most of the world circumcision is not common, so maybe your sex partner will reject your freakish circumcised penis and you won't catch HIV. Good thinking.
 
2007-03-28 02:37:05 PM
I hate having sand up in my bathing suit area and can't even imagine what it'd be like to have it stuck up under a foreskin.

Consider that when you're thinking about "why people from a dry and sandy region of the world" started snipping the tip.
 
2007-03-28 02:37:08 PM
Tatsuma:

As you are the superjew authority I give this to you.

Weren't all the men required by god to be circumcised just before they came into the promised land?
 
2007-03-28 02:37:19 PM
TheXerox


"We reviewed all the evidence, and the evidence is compelling," says Kim Dickson, coordinator of the joint WHO/UNAIDS working group that produced the report.


There are some people in this world who are simply *born* to do certain things...


There's a urologist in Austin,TX named Dick Chopp.

Link pops.
 
2007-03-28 02:37:22 PM
Thorak: I'd rather use condoms and avoid sleeping with random women, but I guess if you'd rather have somebody cut your penis, go nuts.

How's that condoms for black people thing going in Africa? They have practically eliminated AIDs you say? I guess I didn't realize that.

On a side note: If you complain about lack of sensation with a condom, why wouldn't you want to go bareback without the tip? Especially since the procedure is sooooo simple its like cutting a fingernail anymore (in Western medicine). I concede there is error...same with cutting fingernails, though.

There are idiots who err with the condom too, lets eliminate it.

Did I anticipate enough of your responses?
 
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