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(The Raw Story)   Subpoenas to compel Karl Rove and former counsel Harriet Miers to testify are authorized and ready to be issued. Bush classifies U.S. Constitution, four Supreme Court Justices declared enemy combatants   (rawstory.com) divider line 669
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2007-03-28 12:31:12 PM
Father_Jack: bring on the idictments!

Fechez la vache!
 
2007-03-28 12:31:32 PM
Too much verbage in that sentence.
 
2007-03-28 12:31:32 PM
andrew131
"Actually, there are ways Congress can compel people to speak and deny the 5th Amendment."

Which can help with getting info from the lower level people, but not so useful in compelling the people they want to nail. You know, because they have to grant immunity to compel someone to testify against a 5th amendment claim.
 
2007-03-28 12:31:39 PM
I told 'em I'd shoot!!! But they wouldn't believe me!! Why wouldn't they believe me!?!?!?!??
 
2007-03-28 12:31:44 PM
image.guardian.co.uk

Harriet! Sweet Harry -- Yet? Hard-hearted harbinger of hubris. Beautiful, bemuse-ed, bellicose White House counsel.

Un-trust...ing. Un-know...ing. Un-Rove...ed?

"I got your back," Bush screamed into the night air like a fireman going to a window that has no fire...except the passion of his heart. I am lonely. It's really hard.

This administration...sucks.
 
2007-03-28 12:31:45 PM
Actually, I doubt anything the Democrats do between now and November will hurt them in the election. The next election cycle will be people voting against Bush, not voting for [insert canidate here].

Kinda like 2000 when people gathered en masse to vote against a knob job?
 
2007-03-28 12:31:46 PM
z.about.com

plz plz plz plz
 
2007-03-28 12:31:47 PM
Prude_Hawkeye: While I don't think this scandal even would crack the Top 10 in the bush administration, I'm glad that it seems to at least be sticking.

This is the same scandal as all the other scandals.

It is the lynchpin to their ability to get away with all the crap the GOP has gotten away with for the past several years.

Think about it--Since the Congress was not doing any oversight, the only way the GOP was going to get in any hot water was if the DOJ prosecuted them. And, finally, they started doing that. And then the prosecutors who were doing said prosecuting got canned.

This is ALL the same scandal. This is the thread that ties them all together.
 
2007-03-28 12:31:49 PM
Maybe I'm kind of dumb, but someone explain to me how "testifying under oath" is considered up for judgement?

NO politican likes testifying under oath. It means that if they lie (and they do so love to lie) they'll end up in serious trouble.
 
2007-03-28 12:31:57 PM
media.newsobserver.com

The real question is ... Is Karl Rove pregnant?
 
2007-03-28 12:31:59 PM
Troy McClure
Has Bush done a good enough job in appointing executive power rubber stamps to the Supreme Court for him to win this?

Executive Privilege won't matter since the White House has been selectively releasing requested documents. Executive Privilege does not give the President the ability to hide everything but what is good for him.
 
2007-03-28 12:32:19 PM
Personally, I think this is a second tier scandal, and Congress should be going after the administration for bigger ones.

/Iraq War
//Patriot Act
///Being Asshats
////Plame
//Haliburton
 
2007-03-28 12:32:28 PM
I warned Democrats if they wasted taxpayer money investigating old news, they'd pay for it next November.
Apparently they weren't listening.


I know! I can't believe the DNC didn't come on FARK 5 months ago and take strategy tips from the threads. I mean, WTF??!! Why aren't they listening to me??!!
 
2007-03-28 12:32:46 PM
Fizpez
Not that hard, if a Congressman starts by having a conversation with him through the course of the testimony over things such as "how was golf last week" and so on, it shows that the witness is willingly cooperating.

I forgot the specific legal term used that forces the testimony, but it was eloquently put by my 1st Amendment Law Professor that clerked for the SCOTUS.
 
2007-03-28 12:32:53 PM
IXI Jim IXI: I told 'em I'd shoot!!! But they wouldn't believe me!! Why wouldn't they believe me!?!?!?!??

Happy, happy, joy, joy!!!!!
 
vid
2007-03-28 12:33:10 PM
yet Congress is clearly within their legal rights to take this action.

You are correct, if by "clearly" you mean "not."

This is classic separation of powers stuff. If Bush were to demand that Nancy Pelosi's staff be brought to the White House for questioning, you would be screaming that he's being a tyrant, and rightly so.

Congress has ZERO oversight of the internal workings of the White House cabinet. They have the right to impeach the president, but they don't have the right to drag his bureaucrats on to the House floor for show trials.

The COURTS could compel Rove to appear before them, if there is evidence of criminal behavior, but that's not happening.

Yet.

For now, Bush can make little paper hats with these congressional subpoenas and otherwise ignore them completely.
 
2007-03-28 12:33:14 PM
drunk_bouncnbaloruber: Personally, I think this is a second tier scandal, and Congress should be going after the administration for bigger ones.

Well, you know that Al Capone did worse things than tax evasion, right? ;)
 
2007-03-28 12:33:29 PM
DrForrester: I think this article was referring to Earth.

Winnah Winnah Chicken Dinnah.
 
2007-03-28 12:33:32 PM
Fif.
 
2007-03-28 12:33:36 PM
andrew131 - my post may not have been very clear, sorry. i think that justice must demand that they testify, and i can see no just reason, not one, why they should not
 
2007-03-28 12:33:38 PM
I warned Democrats if they wasted taxpayer money investigating old news, they'd pay for it next November.


Apparently the people approve of this "waste".

http://www.usatoday.com/news/polls/tables/live/2007-03-26-poll.htm

Please jump to section 14.

"Do you think Congress should -- or should not -- investigate the involvement of White House officials in this matter"

Yes: 72%
No: 21%
 
2007-03-28 12:33:48 PM
DEMOCRACY IN ACTION, or I think someone needs a time-out. Take your pick.
 
2007-03-28 12:34:08 PM
Executive Privilege does not give the President the ability to hide everything but what is good for him.

That's where the Patriot act comes into play. Just mark any unfavorable information as classified and you can make up whatever stories you want.
 
2007-03-28 12:34:16 PM
rickythepenguin

+1 for working in a "So I Married an Axe Murderer" quote.
 
2007-03-28 12:34:22 PM
2007-03-28 12:25:14 PM hdhale

I warned Democrats if they wasted taxpayer money investigating old news, they'd pay for it next November.

Apparently they weren't listening. So be it. Enjoy minority status again in January 2009 asshats.

How much money was wasted investigating Clinton's extramarital affair (by Newt Gingrich no less, who has recently admitted to having an affair during the same time he was on a witch hunt for Clinton).. And yeah it really hurt their reelection in 2000 eH? Hah, suck it.
 
2007-03-28 12:34:23 PM
IXI Jim IXI
Well struck. Twice.
 
2007-03-28 12:34:35 PM
Drag that scum in and force them to answer. Then nail their a$$es to wall for lying.

/They will lie. They do not know how not to.
 
2007-03-28 12:34:54 PM
be careful playing chicken with congress George.
It's not as simple as riding a bike.

img69.photobucket.com
 
2007-03-28 12:35:32 PM
Congress has ZERO oversight of the internal workings of the White House cabinet. They have the right to impeach the president, but they don't have the right to drag his bureaucrats on to the House floor for show trials.

So....they can impeach but not investigate if they've got ground to start impeachment proceedings?
 
2007-03-28 12:35:33 PM
Jeez, people though Clinton was persecuted.
 
2007-03-28 12:35:35 PM
It's about time Congress realized that they are a powerful branch of government. When congress works together (Yeah, and pigs can fly too) they are far more powerful than the president. Congress should use it Constitutional power here, and send the president a message that he and his administration are accountable for their actions. Hopefully this is only the beginning.
 
2007-03-28 12:35:45 PM
I get the feeling the Administration is worried that the line of questioning may stray, thus forcing the some dirty laundry to be made public knowledge.
 
2007-03-28 12:35:56 PM
Bushco brought this on themselves. They asked Rove to be involved in this issue.

Some simple answers on why a political operative was involved in the firings of 8 USAs is not out of line.

If you approved of the investigation of Travelgate - where some no power goverment travel agents were fired - you should be backing this investigation 1000%.
 
2007-03-28 12:36:05 PM
The executive branch needs to be trimmed big time.
 
2007-03-28 12:36:07 PM
OK - who had Wednesday in the pool?
 
2007-03-28 12:36:22 PM
web.ics.purdue.edu
 
2007-03-28 12:36:34 PM
Oh, the delicious memory of Wilford Brimley in Absence of Malice saying "Sub-peenies"
 
2007-03-28 12:36:42 PM
"For now, Bush can make little paper hats with these congressional subpoenas and otherwise ignore them completely."

He's been practicing with the Constitution, so he's getting better at making them.
 
2007-03-28 12:36:43 PM
vid: Congress has ZERO oversight of the internal workings of the White House cabinet. They have the right to impeach the president, but they don't have the right to drag his bureaucrats on to the House floor for show trials.

1) Were you cheering the investigations of Clinton's staff carried out by the Republicans in the 90s?

2) You realize that in order to impeach someone, you need evidence? Evidence that can be obtained via, say, a subpoena?
 
2007-03-28 12:36:49 PM
vid
Congress has the authority to compel testimony. That's why it is called "Congressional Oversight." Clever, ain't it?
 
2007-03-28 12:36:57 PM
KARL LIKE JUMBO-JACKS! RAAAAAWWRR!

*slaps wildly at airplanes circling head*

EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE! GAAAHHH!

*takes dump on the supreme court*
 
2007-03-28 12:37:11 PM
Settle down now folks, this is only from little Chuckie. He can't spell subpoena, and doesn't really know what it is. Better wait for a grownup to explain what's going on.
 
2007-03-28 12:37:53 PM
Grab your nuts, chimpy. They gonna get kicked.
 
2007-03-28 12:38:02 PM
Fizpez: Actually, there are ways Congress can compel people to speak and deny the 5th Amendment.

I not scholar on the subject, but I find this nearly impossible to believe.


First, it is important to apply the 5th appropriately, which appears to be not the case where. (An incompetent Bush appointee? Color me shocked!)

Second, there is a concept called 'inherent contempt' of Congress which is currently being readied for use by the Dems.
 
2007-03-28 12:38:09 PM
WTF?? No thread about the Worlds Tallest Man getting married? I mean, the dude saved a dolphin with his long arms and he gets no respect????
 
2007-03-28 12:38:10 PM
Tyee: Jeez, people though Clinton was persecuted.

Clinton avoided breaking the law and the appearance of massive impropriety.
 
2007-03-28 12:38:12 PM
andrew131: Congress has the authority to compel testimony. That's why it is called "Congressional Oversight." Clever, ain't it?

He's wondering where in the Constitution it says that.
 
2007-03-28 12:38:17 PM
elchip: 2) You realize that in order to impeach someone, you need evidence? Evidence that can be obtained via, say, a subpoena?

Well hey there Mr. elchip. Wtf, you know? This thing has legs, huh?

Suck or not suck?
 
2007-03-28 12:38:22 PM
rickythepenguin That was farking beautiful, +1

/love that movie
 
2007-03-28 12:38:24 PM
rickythepenguin: Harriet! Sweet Harry -- Yet? Hard-hearted harbinger of hubris.

I am in man-love with you.
 
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