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(News.com.au)   The pope has confirmed that hell and damnation "real and eternal"   (news.com.au) divider line 533
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2007-03-27 04:32:50 PM  
Crux'd: Everytime I read one of these rants its never about Judism or Buhdism or Muslims just Jesus based. Just curious to know why?

because they won't be as feverishly argued on by both side (see above thread). christian based ones are far more sensational.
 
2007-03-27 04:32:57 PM  
Tartha De Tear
1. Just because you don't read the threads doesn't mean they don't happen. I kindly refer you to caste threads, religion of peace threads, and palestine threads.

These are my favorite threads, to tell you the truth.

However the Palestinian threads do not bash Judism as a religion but only in regards to the Jewish states treatment of the Arabs in Palestine.

And in regards to Atheists, no matter how hard one might believe there is no God there is the chance they are wrong so its purely on Faith that they are acting on doesnt matter if its in a cluster or not.
 
2007-03-27 04:33:11 PM  
JDAT: I wonder if the Pope would say to unbelievers things like "suck my c***" and "fark you".

If he ever does, I hope someone gets it on videotape. That'd be hilarious.

By the way, you're blind if you haven't seen similar statements coming from members of your own subscribed faith. Your belief system is what you make of it, for good or ill. What brings one person peace is what justifies maliciousness in another.
 
2007-03-27 04:33:13 PM  
Pope thread?

/got nothin'
 
2007-03-27 04:33:15 PM  
jingks: didn't Greek/Roman and Egyptian religions have a hell. pushing boulders uphill for eternity and what not?

Yeah but they didn't use it as a means to keep people inline. Also to get into the bad parts of the Greek/Roman underworld you had to be a real and total douchenozzle. Also the Greeks and Romans weren't big on the whole making people convert thing or keeping people inline with religion thing either.
 
2007-03-27 04:33:34 PM  
elchip


This is news?


phreakinowski: I say Fark the pope and the stupid ass cult he rode in on.


1 billion adherents does not a cult make.


The only difference between cult and religion is the number of crazies. It's like saying "That's not buffalo. That's bison."
 
2007-03-27 04:33:51 PM  
It'sa da popa!
/damn, I truly miss "The State"
 
2007-03-27 04:33:57 PM  
Boobies!!!
I wonder if the Pope would say to unbelievers things like "suck my c***" and "fark you".
No, but he tells them they'll spend an eternity in hell.
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You sure there wasn't an if/then statement involving that?
Do you think it is the Popes wishes for anyone to go to hell?

/He has been to Jersey?
 
2007-03-27 04:34:09 PM  
luke10_27: Except for that whole string theory thing. Oh, and the fact that 90 percent of the universe, as constructed by science, can't seem to be located.

Whoopsa daisy!


What do string theory and cosmology have to do with quantum mechanics?

(That missing 90% is obviously hell, anyway, wieghted down with the souls of the unbelievers.)
 
2007-03-27 04:34:42 PM  
To expand on the near death experience thing. When they found the part of the brain that they could stimulate the near death experience not all of the same things could be reproduced as luke 10_27 said. In addition around %10 of the people that experienced real near death had a horrific hell like experience. This could not be seen in any of the test subjects.
 
2007-03-27 04:34:56 PM  
The Pope has confirmed that hell and damnation 'real and eternal'

And is located backstage at a kevin fedderline concert.
 
2007-03-27 04:35:00 PM  
90 percent of the universe, as constructed by science, can't seem to be located.

Reference, please.

...Or did you just pull that statistic out of your butt?

(And if you post a Wikipedia link/quote as a "reference" I'm probably going to piss myself laughing.)
 
2007-03-27 04:35:06 PM  
trippdogg wins.

Because if we are to accept all church dogma as real, god is one hell of a farking sadist.
 
2007-03-27 04:35:09 PM  
Faethe
Golf clap.
 
2007-03-27 04:35:14 PM  
Fark the pope...Biggest propaganda peddler evar...

rofl.wheresthebeef.co.uk
 
2007-03-27 04:35:27 PM  
luke10_27: Oh, and the fact that 90 percent of the universe, as constructed by science, can't seem to be located.

Whoopsa daisy!


Point well taken. It's much better to have a system of belief where absolutely nothing can be proven. Consider me converted.
 
2007-03-27 04:35:27 PM  
So the Pope says that Hell is real?

Wow, next thing they'll be telling us that he's Catholic, and that bears shiat in the woods.
 
2007-03-27 04:35:33 PM  
cyberlayde: but it states in the Bible in several places that hell exists

no, no it doesn't. What it does say does exist is not equivalent to hell. And can't even legitimately be translated as hell.
 
2007-03-27 04:35:50 PM  
jingks

http://discovermagazine.com/2005/jul/extreme-states/article_view?b_start:int=2 &-C=

Here's the article. Read it for yourself. Many of the conclusions are obviously biased, because the study was conducted to come up with those conclusions. The part that's interesting to me is that he basically ignores the parts he can't explain.
 
2007-03-27 04:36:12 PM  
luke10_27

String theory is not widely believed, it is widely known.
"Dark matter" is one theory that covers "missing matter" of the universe. Another is that the missing matter was packaged around a multidimensional version of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

/surely not obscure
 
2007-03-27 04:36:30 PM  
Thank you, RUSSICAN for saving me the time it would have taken me to GIS that image and post it here.
 
2007-03-27 04:36:46 PM  

No big deal, I believe atheism is a religion as well, to the extent that no one talks so much about the belief of God and with as much fervor as an atheist.


I don't play football, but I watch it on Sundays during the season.
I must be an athelete.
 
2007-03-27 04:36:55 PM  
Titinita: Catholics define hell as a state of eternal separation from God, not a place.

"Catholicism! It's the New Judaism!"

I told a Jewish friend that I thought the Jewish concepts of Law and Life and Afterlife are like nothing so much as a relationship of a good master and his well-trained dog.

"If you love me, keep my commandments" - Stay off the couch, don't snatch stuff off the counter, and I'll pet you and feed you. Break the rules and you will be sorry.

"My ways are not your ways" - I don't care whether or not you like it or understand it, you have to sit by the door when I open it and wait for me to release you before you can go into the yard, even if there are squirrels, right there..

"Hell is separation from God" - When I leave the house, my dog is mopey and sad. When I come home, he is happy. He follows me around from room to room, just to be near me. Best of all is when I allow him to join me on the bed and be right next to me for a few minutes of snuggles.

"I have made a place for you in my House" I know you like to get on the bed with us, but when I say "Off" you go sleep in your crate.

My Jewish friend thought about it for a few seconds and said, "that's as good as any description I've heard".
 
2007-03-27 04:36:57 PM  
I've heard that when Jesus died he went to Limbo to bring those souls up to Heaven right after he opened the gates and right before he resurrected. It's simple storytelling but maybe that's why Limbo doesn't exist? Limbo would've been Hell's suburb with a much more lenient HOA outside the influence of Hell entirely. It was just a dreary place that was boring as all hell.
 
2007-03-27 04:38:00 PM  
DeucedNuisance

No-one has ever recovered from "brain death". Ever. Not once. Anyone who's recovered from anything was never "brain dead".

Where's your "empirical" evidence for this? You don't have any. Read the Discover article I cited above and read that you are wrong.

Quit pulling "facts" out of your arse.
 
2007-03-27 04:38:04 PM  
emotion_lotion: In addition around %10 of the people that experienced real near death had a horrific hell like experience. This could not be seen in any of the test subjects.

Is there a report on whether... say, Hindu people with near-death experiences see Ganesh, or Islamic people see Muhammad, etc?
 
2007-03-27 04:38:37 PM  
2007-03-27 04:32:57 PM Crux'd

However the Palestinian threads do not bash Judism as a religion but only in regards to the Jewish states treatment of the Arabs in Palestine.

And in regards to Atheists, no matter how hard one might believe there is no God there is the chance they are wrong so its purely on Faith that they are acting on doesnt matter if its in a cluster or not.


The palestine threads start political, but usually get so ugly that everything gets mud on it.

Atheism as it stands is an Error Theory. The basis for believing it's true is thinking everyone else has it wrong. There is no need to put forth an alternative. This has definite effects on its status as a "religion". It depends on the purpose of the definition.
 
2007-03-27 04:38:44 PM  
Suflig: It was just a dreary place that was boring as all hell.

Soooo like Iowa?
 
2007-03-27 04:39:08 PM  
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2007-03-27 04:39:20 PM  
WhyteRaven74 Also the Greeks and Romans weren't big on the whole making people convert thing or keeping people inline with religion thing either.

do you know a lot of catholic evangelists? i've always wondered about if catholics are more evangelical in different regions. in my archdiocese, it's all but absent.
 
2007-03-27 04:39:41 PM  

You can hate the Pope or hate him for saying what he said, but it states in the Bible in several places that hell exists.


The Bible also says the sun revolves around the earth, bats are birds and rabbits chew cud. You better not take a chance on those either.
 
2007-03-27 04:39:44 PM  
LavenderWolf
Another is that the missing matter was packaged around a multidimensional version of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

that is some serius cybernetics, there.
 
2007-03-27 04:39:54 PM  
Suflig: It was just a dreary place that was boring as all hell.

You can always play with the babies?
 
2007-03-27 04:40:10 PM  
Now, if he'd just provide some proof, I'd be happy to believe him.

"Because I said so" isn't proof, by the way.
 
2007-03-27 04:40:40 PM  
Religion = Fear of death.
 
2007-03-27 04:41:16 PM  
www.gandalf23.com
 
2007-03-27 04:41:16 PM  
2007-03-27 04:09:29 PM Faethe

Doesn't this contradict JPII then?


That's what I'm a-wonderin'.... Didn't JPII say that Hell was just the lack of God and not a real place? (Or something to that effect.)

Good thing Benedict wasn't speaking "ex cathedra", so this all can be chucked out as blathering generalisms.
 
2007-03-27 04:41:33 PM  
Faethe: You can always play with the babies?

Watch it.. lets not pull the dead baby joke card just yet.
 
2007-03-27 04:41:38 PM  
serpent_sky Now, if he'd just provide some proof

Thats why its called "faith".
 
2007-03-27 04:42:00 PM  
Once again the Roman Catholic Church's teachings fly in the face of the teachings written in the Bible.

"Everlasting torment" is mentioned only once in the original Greek New Testament, and it's mentioned using the exact same metaphor used once in the Old Testament to describe a very finite event. (cf. Rev 14:10-11 vs Isaiah 34:9-10) No where is it stated that people are tormented forever.

The symbolism of "unquenchable fire" is used, yes, but in the sense that it totally consumes; there is nothing left when it is done. This symbolism is used throughout the Old and New Testament.

Jesus specifically stated that God destroys those who do not want humble themselves and ask forgivess for their wrongs. There will simply be no place for evil people in the next Age.

"Don't be afraid of those who want to kill your body; they cannot touch your soul. Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna." - Jesus (Matthew 10:28)

I'm sorry, but I'll take the word of the Messiah over the word of some people who tries to steal God's place in people's lives by allowing himself to be called Holy Father.

"And don't address anyone here on earth as 'Father,' for only God in heaven is your spiritual Father." - Jesus (Matthew 23:9)

Nothing demolishes Catholicism like the teachings of the Messiah.


Revelation 14:13-15
The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.


The "lake of fire" is the "second death" (i.e the permanent one after your physical death). It is THE END. A concept (death) and a place (Hades) and the "lost" are "thrown" into it. It is nonsensical how a place and a concept can suffer eternal torment, yet there they are, beign "thrown" into the same thing that those who defy God are thrown into. In a book filled with symbolism like a multi-headed dragon and a women wearing stars on her head why this "lake of fire" is picked out as suddenly being literal despite its context where death itself is thrown into it is insane. There's a sentence right there that says the lake of fire signifies the second death, for goodness sake, not eternal life in torment!


In short, Mr. Pope, your place in the lake of fire is reserved if you don't change the way you think and act and renounce your blasphemous position.

"Not everyone who calls out to me, 'Lord! Lord!' will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. On judgment day many will say to me, 'Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.' But I will reply, 'I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God's laws.'" - Jesus (Matthew 7:21-23)


And lest I be accused of just being an angry Protestant, I assure you they have their own issues (e.g. Bible-worshipping). But, man, the pope just pisses me off. He represents true Christianity about as much as Ronald McDonald represents fine cuisine.
 
2007-03-27 04:42:04 PM  
Pope makes a living selling bulls#it to a billion people just like McDonalds!
 
2007-03-27 04:42:07 PM  
cyberlayde
Now that's something I wouldn't want to take a chance on.

Well Pascal, by that logic you need to believe in ANY religion/cult that says you will suffer if you don't believe... but of course you can't because a good many of them also say you can't believe the other ones.

Any just god, if he exists, will judge people on their actions and how they live their life, not on whether or not they gave up their rationality to believe in some silly story. A god that will punish people eternally for not ignoring common sense and rationality is nothing but a monster and would not deserve to be worshiped anyway.
 
2007-03-27 04:42:26 PM  
Faethe You can always play with the babies?

Too bad the chopped up, malformed, vacuumed ones will outnumber the cute newborns.
 
2007-03-27 04:42:29 PM  
scwewywabbit

I can't believe that you're the only one to mention John Paul. I loved that pope. He was everything a good Christian should be. He went and visited the guy who tried to kill him to talk to him about what he had done and why. That's an action worthy of King. Ratzinger has no business being in the church, let alone the Vatican. Never has a basic message of peace been so ruthlessly butchered. I wonder if the Catholics have considered the possibility that hell is living everyday of your life without recognizing humanity as a single family and loving all humanity with that same compassion. Prolly not. fark them towel heads.


/I miss Donne for that matter.
//Here's to my whole human family
 
2007-03-27 04:42:32 PM  
This pope says there is a hell, John Paul II says there isn't (it's in TFA). No scientific proof, mind you, just their assertions- which are in direct contradiction with one another. So, would someone mind telling me which one of these douches is more infallible than the other? Pfft.
 
2007-03-27 04:42:58 PM  
Why can't people be open minded about Religion. Let people believe in what they want to. The only ones who should be offended by a cross is a vampire. If you dont want to believe in God then stop talking about people who do, it just seems to me that the one who spew out all this hate need to take a step back and ask themselves where its all coming from, if they themselves have no relationship with any kind of diety in the first place.
 
2007-03-27 04:42:58 PM  
no it doesn't. What it does say does exist is not equivalent to hell. And can't even legitimately be translated as hell.

The Bible refers to Ghenna, which was a garbage dump outside Jerusalem. It was always smoky because they burned the garbage. Jeebus and his boy-toys basically used it as a metaphor for what happens to the souls of "evil" people who don't believe in stupid shiat; i.e., they get thrown in the "dump" outside Heaven.

"Ghenna" was translated to "hell" in English. That's where the modern concept of Hell came from. (That, and a lot of creative thinking by stupid people with overactive imaginations.)
 
2007-03-27 04:43:09 PM  
LavenderWolf Religion = Fear of death.

I couldn't disagree with this more. if this life were all we had, I would have a great fear of death. As it is, I don't fear death at all.

/I fear a painful death... but just because I'm not a big fan of pain
 
2007-03-27 04:43:11 PM  
What kind of message is he sending to the troops?
 
2007-03-27 04:43:51 PM  
Oh yeah, don't want to forget about this:

Time Magazine Prints Different Cover For US Edition
TIME's cover story in every edition but the American one is "Talibanistan", a story about the resurgence of the Taliban. TIME's cover for the US: "Why We Should Teach the Bible in Public School".

/just throwing gasoline on the fire, don't mind me
 
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