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2007-03-26 03:12:20 PM
canyoneer

Cowifornia could not secede and do better. That's a fanciful delusion. In case all you Cowifornians hadn't noticed, you get your oil and natural gas and electricity from Alaska and the Intermountain West. And then there's that pesky little teeny-weeny problem with water. Ahem. If the Upper Basin states decide to build a few more dams and actually use their allocation from the Colorado River, much of the illusory "economic miracle" in Southern Cowifornia would dry up and blow away, and the fields would be salt pans and the empty eight bazillion swimming pools would be graced by the dessicated skeletons of dead Hollywood whores with their tattered and faded bikinis flapping in the sere desert wind.


For a guy who apparently prides himself on "logic and reason," your comments sure were ignorant. You seem believe that the hypothetical independent nation of California could not survive on its own because currently the state of California buys oil, electricity, and water from surrounding states. Do you really believe that every independent nation has an ample supply of these things?

Think it through: if California was independent it would go on importing these things exactly like it does now. Or, in the case of water and power, it could look into methods of creating these things in-house. Just because it is currently more economically efficient to import water and power does not mean that California is incapable of provisioning these resources any other way.

Where does Japan get oil and Saudi Arabia get water? Are they independent nations?

/And what's the deal with "Cowifornia?" Are you from a "Red State?" If that's the case you should thank "Cowifornia" for being a net contributor of Federal money, and thus supporting your welfare queen of a state.
 
2007-03-26 03:12:32 PM
buckbay: Get over it.

why should I "get over it"? I don't have to pay the outrageous prices you do and I shouldn't have to pay California prices in Nevada.
 
2007-03-26 03:16:36 PM
Tallow'nbits

TechieZero

South Korea, Japan and China are all kicking our ass at well made entertaining films. Our standards for what makes a good film in this country are piss poor. I blame your parents.


LOL What?!?!? I think the standard should be. Wow! That was a (great/fun/funny/scary) film. It's called escapism. Everything else is pretentious fluff. I don't expect hollywierd to instruct me on how to live or what is right or wrong. There needs to be a seperation of the church of film and the state as far as I am concerned.
 
2007-03-26 03:17:32 PM
spleef420
why should I "get over it"? I don't have to pay the outrageous prices you do and I shouldn't have to pay California prices in Nevada.

Maybe you should try not being so poor :)
 
2007-03-26 03:18:45 PM
I love it when people try to talk about how their economy (Fruit/agriculture) depends on illegal immigration and migrant workers.


I do remember reading about another industry/area that used that claim, except it involved cotton and slaves.
 
2007-03-26 03:20:40 PM
I have relatives from both Oregon and Ohio, unfortunately. All on my dad's side, poor dear.

We live in So Cal. - almost w/out exception, our relatives, w/ the exception of our immediate family, are fat, diabetic, unhealthy, bad teeth, heavy smokers, slackers, no college, bedwetters. The last time we visited, I made it a point to thank my dad for moving away and having the foresight to marry my mom. And, for choosing a place many many MANY miles away from these people.

Personally, happy all the smokers are moving to Las Vegas - it smells better here already.

....getting ready to buy tiny vacation home in Hawaii, which, of course is way better than anywhere.
 
2007-03-26 03:29:42 PM
Yeah, California has a negative influence on society, kind of like chemotherapy has a negative influence on testicular cancer.
 
2007-03-26 03:32:55 PM
inspeyere

As in real estate, it's all location, location, location. A slip on the San Andreas might not be so bad, but a cascade of quakes on the numerous shallow thrust faults under L.A. could render the city useless for a very long time. Once again, I'm not talking about how well people behave, I'm talking about physical damage to infrastructure and how long it might take to repair under ideal conditions. Just imagine New Orleans-scale devastation combined with a thoroughly-destroyed transport web, and you'll begin to see what I mean. L.A. is freakin' huge, and all of that sh*t out there has been built up over many decades. If there was a great earthquake, it would take the city years if not decades to recover. You don't replace 100 years worth of sh*t used by 13 million people overnight.

Katzenjammer

I suppose it all depends on whether this hypothetical independent California will have a free trade agreement with the United States or not. If so, things would function as they always have, and there'd be little reason to secede at all. If there is no free trade agreement, then the United States could slap tariffs and duties on your products and hike prices for natural gas and electricity and water. I am simply pointing out that independence for California is probably pointless. What would be gained?
 
2007-03-26 03:34:20 PM
... California is the best, most diverse, most beautiful state in the Union. It has been for quite some time.

It costs more to live here, just as it costs more to live in a penthouse than it does in a normal apartment. California is the penthouse of the U.S.

It's always been a favorite pastime for people from other states to hate on California -- it's always been just jealousy. Keep being jealous. Keep hating. It makes most of us laugh.

Meanwhile, I'll make my 5 mile drive down to the beach and PCH, have dinner on a pier overlooking the Pacific Ocean, and enjoy a sunny day of 75-80 degrees (just as it is 90% of the time).

So we're short on water. Fine, give some to us. So we're short on electricity. Fine, give some to us. We still give the rest of you more than we take in -- every single year we do. We know the score.

You can continue to hate us, but you know deep down you would love to live here if you had the opportunity. You have probably visited here as a tourist before, too. I'm sure at some points in your life, you've eaten something or drank something or watched something on your TV that has come from California. I speak for myself and other native Californians in saying, "You're Welcome".
 
2007-03-26 03:36:50 PM
Meh. I'm not moving. And I'm not one of those asshole Californians you read about.

/socal native
 
2007-03-26 03:39:02 PM
spleef420
why should I "get over it"? I don't have to pay the outrageous prices you do and I shouldn't have to pay California prices in Nevada.

Doesn't that make them Nevada prices, though?

Do we need to call Ric Romero in to explain how sometimes prices go up on certain commodities, regardless of geographic location?
 
2007-03-26 03:41:49 PM
ThrobblefootSpectre
Have fun on your own, you elitist clean air freak eco-sissies.

Location: Central Florida


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
 
2007-03-26 03:42:04 PM
Californians are bad drivers? Surely thou jest... or were stuck on the I-405.

Better than these states:

Massachusetts
Illinois
Texas
 
2007-03-26 03:42:36 PM
NYCers tend not to move. If you're from NYC, you tend to stay there. Or maybe move to Jersey if you like the burbs. They'll come visit your city, look around and speak loud, poorly accented English at you, then leave feeling confident that NYC is the only place on Earth worth living. At least they won't move there.

You can keep the Californians, though. They spread like a bad fungus. Please, please stay there. Just don't bother the rest of us. You guys way up north or in the desert, you're OK. It's just that SF and LA make everyone in the entire state look like a total dipshiats. Every time an actor opens his/her mouth, it reinforces the image, especially if they're a Scientologist. It's a good thing you've got good wine or we'd pull a Lex Luthor on you.
 
2007-03-26 03:50:31 PM
JT_Dutch

"Meanwhile, I'll get stuck in a SIG Alert on the Harbor while I admire the thick brown haze obscuring the San Fernando Hills while contemplating how I'll pay for the auto insurance and earthquake insurance and how many times my car got broken into last year."

Seriously, man: If you like California, that's fine. It has its charms, but you make it sound like paradise, or something. It's all personal preference.

I like visiting California, but it's a f*cking anthill of people and traffic and all the other sh*t that goes along with it being an anthill. But you know what bothers me most about California? The erosive sense of paradise lost.

I always imagine how truly paradisical it must have been 100 years ago before it got soiled and stained and worn out like a whorehouse mattress. I imagine the place without the endless crap subdivisions marring the hills as far as the eye can see and imagine what it must have been like before it turned into a big glorified slum.

I'd rather sit in a hut in the middle of the bleak, cold San Rafael Desert than live in California with its 34 million people rat-race anthill over-developed oppressive feel. Some people thrive on crowds and hubbub, but some people find such an atmosphere stifling and horrible.

And I think this notion that California is graciously subsidizing the rest of the country is bogus crap. These kind of quasi-economic analyses are junk science.
 
2007-03-26 03:51:51 PM
farkaholic: ....getting ready to buy tiny vacation home in Hawaii, which, of course is way better than anywhere.

Phuket, Thailand has Hawaii beat, IMO. You can pick up vacation homes cheaper as well. Downside: tsunamis.
 
2007-03-26 03:51:57 PM
ChubbyTiger

NYCers tend not to move. If you're from NYC, you tend to stay there. Or maybe move to Jersey if you like the burbs. They'll come visit your city, look around and speak loud, poorly accented English at you, then leave feeling confident that NYC is the only place on Earth worth living. At least they won't move there.


I've met of New Yorkers out here the last few years ... they say how much they love the slower pace (which confuses me, slower? Are they all on speed back East?). A few of them even end up living out here.

My favorite was a guy they assigned to my department for a few months, he'd had this thick stereotypical New Jersey accent. He told me he hated visiting his friends back in NJ, because they "all sounded like uneducated rats".
 
2007-03-26 03:56:08 PM
Unhappy Californian (en HAP' pee cal i FOR nee un) 1. noun, person or persons unable to afford home in desirable area, particularly, those living in the Inland Empire, Antelope Valley, Central Valley or any place more than 2 miles away from the coast or other large body of water. 2. Anyone making the bad business investment of selling property in California and moving elsewhere in the nation, particularly during the mid 1990's, thus losing their shirt, and making it impossible to move back; see sour grapes
 
2007-03-26 03:58:39 PM
Historyteller: they say how much they love the slower pace (which confuses me, slower? Are they all on speed back East?). A few of them even end up living out here.

Everything in California seems to move slower to an East Coaster. From the clerk that rings you up at the register, to the people walking on the sidewalk, to the time it takes people to return phone calls - they all "seem" slower to someone from the East Coast. People also don't seem as incredibly impatient, which just helps build the illusion.

For some people, it's a blessing. For me, it was absolutely maddening. For an even more obvious example of such an affect, spend a week on a Caribbean island. It can take you two hours just to get a sandwich for lunch.
 
2007-03-26 04:01:30 PM
Clifton - the south didn't lose. They're just resting. Just, you know, FYI.

I've lived in San Francisco since 1979, and have met, maybe,
a half-dozen native San Franciscans. Including myself, almost everyone here is from somewhere else. Surely that says something about quality of life here. Perfect? Certainly not. Better than Topeka? To me, yes: to many Topekans, no.
I have been in every state in the union, and have found people to be pretty much okay. It's not where you live, it's how you were raised and who you choose to be. Some people choose to be a**holes and call themselves canyoneer or whatever. Most of us just want a place that we can call our own, a better world for our kids, and please, god, maybe a little peace.
Go ahead and hate away, blame other people and scoff at or fear things you don't understand. It's what people do. Even here.
 
2007-03-26 04:01:37 PM
TechieZero: Why? Because ppl want ENTERTAINMENT? Perhaps Hollywierd needs to realize that the ppl busting their ass in the real world, dona't want to be bombarded by the rose coloured of their actors. WE DON'T GIVE A FLYING FARK. We want escapism, not a thinly vailed mockumentary.

well, you just made my point for me. Hollywierd? That would tell me you have problems with hollywood, yet you want it to provide you entertainment. Stop contridicting yourself and grow me my lunch biatch.
 
2007-03-26 04:03:49 PM
cutplugherring

I too hail from Great Falls, but I'd rather live in Berkeley than that hell hole. Bozeman much more gooder.
 
2007-03-26 04:12:02 PM
This what us Oregonians have been saying since at least the 70's! ex-Gov. Tom McCall had a sign posted on the I-5 border of Oregon and Californian Stating, "Welcome to Oregon, Californians thank you for Visiting! .

It is so true that Californians Fark things up. When I was younger and in the military it was always easy to spot a Texan, Californian, and Floridian -- biggest asshats I ever met. They always used their stateship as a license to act like it too.

/I pray for earthquakes now
//Luckily we have lots of rain to hopefully deter more.
 
2007-03-26 04:12:18 PM
As a native Californian, who has lived several years in other states, I was happy to return to California. The only thing that really bothers me in California is the stupid gun laws that seem to be created for the sake of making someone feel good.

I've seen traffic in other states, maybe not as bad, but traffic nonetheless. Freaks and idiots are everywhere, but at least in California there is enough other stuff to make it all worth while.

Sometimes I wish the state would split into two parts, though, north and south. I personally think the southern half of the state is a burden on the northern portion.
 
2007-03-26 04:12:28 PM
Housing prices where I'm at have skyrocketed in the last year. Literally up anywhere from 2 to 6 times what they were. Who drove them up? Investors from California.
 
2007-03-26 04:14:31 PM
You guys make America seem like a WONDERFUL place to live.
 
2007-03-26 04:16:34 PM
And some choose to be Flakey Foonts who stick their fingers in their ears when anyone lays out the facts about great earthquakes in densely-populated areas and call themselves Grendel's Dad or whatever. Facts are hate, Flakey.
 
2007-03-26 04:17:14 PM
JT_Dutch

I lived there. It sucked.

I made good money. It still sucked.

It sucked so much I was willing to take a substantial paycut to go live and work somewhere else.

Unfortunately now I'm thinking of moving again because this place is increasingly reminding me of California...except with gambling.

We'll see how the next few ballots go.
 
2007-03-26 04:19:51 PM
BTW, disclaimer: I like the Mojave, the Southern Sierras, Shasta and the lava lands, and the big tree country north of Eureka. San Francisco is a cool city and beautifully-situated. L.A. is fun (very occasionally) in a sort of shake-your-head kind of way. Otherwise California is nothing to write home about.
 
2007-03-26 04:24:11 PM
I bet you'd be surprised to find out that most of those "Californians" that you hate aren't actually natives to the Golden State. In fact they probably came from a different state and simply couldn't hack it in Cali. So they fled.

And now they're losers in YOUR state.

California-haters: Please keep hating my state so you don't move here!
 
2007-03-26 04:24:43 PM
As a Californian let me just say:
Whatever you do STAY AWAY from California.

DO NOT MOVE HERE TO CALIFORNIA.

/Get off my lawn.
//Stay out of my state.
 
2007-03-26 04:27:09 PM
Mekongcola

+1. Ugh. California is the bastion of all that is wrong with capitalism.

Tell ya what. Instead of banning smoking, ban hair dye. With the amount used there, I'll bet the benefits of doing so would be even more than those of banning public smoking.
 
2007-03-26 04:30:50 PM
gerbopel

In spite of all the provincialism you'll see in fark threads, America is pretty much the same everywhere.

Generally speaking, it's colder north, drier west, hotter south, and wetter east. It's lumpy and high up in the West and sort of lumpy in a soft and modest Europeanish way along the East Coast. The middle is largely pretty flat - or gently-sloping, to be exact.

The roads and buildings and cars and TeeVee and movies and shopping and food and everything else are more-or-less the same everywhere. You'll meet the same mix of people, more-or-less, everywhere. A hick town in Upstate New York isn't really very different from a hick town in Michigan or California or Mississippi. The cities are all almost exactly alike, except for a couple of notable exceptions. The suburbs are all exactly alike everywhere.

Only the trees are different from region to region, and therefore you'll find that the natural landscape (what's left of it) is the most interesting thing about America. Most everything else you already know or could find out after being here a couple of weeks, no matter where.
 
2007-03-26 04:30:58 PM
Here in Oregon, they hate the Californians. But, everyone seems to be from there, and the Oregonians and Californians both seem to be fairly self-involved. There are differences between people and changes will always occur: deal with it. I think we can thank dwindling resources and general dissatisfaction for how things are going (a constant) for this piece of scapegoating.
 
2007-03-26 04:31:31 PM
canyoneer

"Meanwhile, I'll get stuck in a SIG Alert on the Harbor

... rarely have been on the Harbor during a sig alert; I've lived in Southern Cali long enough to dodge most of the crap on the freeways. I live six blocks from my work, so it's not like I need the freeway to commute.

"while I admire the thick brown haze obscuring the San Fernando Hills"

... meh. I live close enough to the beach to not have to deal with most of the smog; if people choose to live in shiatholes like Riverside and San Bernardino, that's their business.

Even a penthouse has a toilet and a garbage disposal. I'm not saying California's paradise. What is? I'm saying there's still enough diverse beauty here to outdistance anywhere else.

"while contemplating how I'll pay for the auto insurance and earthquake insurance"

... My fiancee and I just have the one car, the 95 Corolla, so insurance isn't a horrific expense at all. I live in an apartment, so earthquake insurance is pretty much a non-factor. We're looking into other options; from what we've seen, those options aren't prohibitively expensive.

"and how many times my car got broken into last year."

... Zero times in the last three years. If someone wants to break in and rip off the emergency kit out of the trunk, hey great; that's all that's in the car. Most of our neighbors have better car stereos than we do; don't see why they would jack us.
 
2007-03-26 04:31:59 PM
As an Idahoan that has to deal with constantly rising house prices, due to Californians selling their one house in CA to buy three here, I have one thing to say.
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//stay in your own damn state if its so perfect.
///get off my lawn
 
2007-03-26 04:36:27 PM
I don't disagree with you canyoneer. Just count me as one of the people who doesn't see that as a bad thing. Obviously, the death toll and damage will suck, but like you said, its inevitable. I'm working as hard as I can to prepare people for it, but the real opportunity is after such a disaster.

Its one of the basic rules of capitalism: if there's a need, there's a place to create value. If the 8th biggest economy in the world is taken to its knees, you bet your sweet ass there's going to be some opportunity. We need to rethink the way we do things here anyway, that will just be a big whomping incentive to do so...

As for the article, my rule of thumb is that no matter where you are, 90% of people are reasonable and decent if you treat them with respect. 10% of people suck, no matter where you are, no matter how you treat them.

How they suck is where stereotypes and generalizations come from. Sorry if you've had to deal with the pieces of shiat from California. Please don't send us your human garbage...
 
2007-03-26 04:38:16 PM
Ummm...the gripe isn't about the people who live in California. It's the ones that are leaving that are the problem.

I think your state sucks, hence I don't live there.

I'm already staying off your lawn.

Please stay off mine.
 
2007-03-26 04:40:01 PM
Feel free to visit one of our fine casinos from time to time though.

Try the buffet.
 
2007-03-26 04:40:39 PM
JT Dutch

As someone living in a so-called "shiathole", fark you. Its your farking smog that we're breathing. Plus, its not so bad if you don't commute... but keep thinking you're somehow superior because you live closer to the beach. I can still get there in 40 minutes any time I want, plus I don't have to pay as much as you to live.

One of my jobs is to try to create more local jobs in the IE so people don't have to go to your uppity-ass city anyways to work. The planners out here didn't balance the job/housing ratio, so most people have had to commute. We're trying to fix that.
 
2007-03-26 04:41:54 PM
Ah...what a thread. So much hatred for my home state...

I'm writing this while on my lunch break at my job in Hollywood, in an office of 9 people consisting of 3 native Californians (including myself), 2 ex-New Yorkers, 1 ex-New Jerseyan, 1 ex-Oregonian, 1 ex-Texan, and 1 ex-Hong Kong resident. We're all happy to be living in So Cal.

/too bad it's overcast & drizzly today
 
2007-03-26 04:58:18 PM
all this attention is great
 
2007-03-26 05:12:18 PM
If it were'nt for California, where would all your farked up, no self-esteem, self loathing daughters run away to with dreams of becoming "movie" stars?
 
2007-03-26 05:18:37 PM
I've known a few people from SoCal. All of them farked up spoiled biatches with little concept of reality.
 
2007-03-26 05:21:01 PM
canyoneer
Just a little wet? You're thinking about New Orleans and their flood. The hurricane was far from a 'moisture introducing natural event'.

Observe


www.inspeyere.com

I took all these photos. Get a little knowledge about what happened, it wasn't pretty down there.
 
2007-03-26 05:21:13 PM
inspeyere

As someone living in a so-called "shiathole", fark you. Its your farking smog that we're breathing.

... So-called shiathole? I lived in Ontario for 25 years. It IS a shiathole, and so is Rivershiat and shiat Bernardino, and no one's holding a gun to your head to stay there -- so move if you don't like it. You are breathing in your OWN smog just as much as L.A.'s or Orange County's, so that argument goes nowhere.

but keep thinking you're somehow superior because you live closer to the beach. I can still get there in 40 minutes any time I want, plus I don't have to pay as much as you to live.

... I'm damn happy to live where I live, and I'm going to say it -- if that hurts your feelings, tough; it's the truth. I'd rather live 20 minutes by bike from the beach than 40 by car, like I used to. If you want to pay less to live where you live and breathe in more smog and live in 100 degree plus temperatures, good for you. I pay a little more (less than you might think, though); it's worth it to me.
 
2007-03-26 05:26:47 PM
California would be great if it wasn't for all the farking people.
 
2007-03-26 05:27:49 PM
The7thcircle

Well what do you expect from a Californian that is dumb enough to want to move to Idaho?


/zing!
 
2007-03-26 05:31:25 PM
Reverend Otis

Zing indeed, good show...
 
2007-03-26 05:32:07 PM
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Sasquatchula


If it were'nt for California, where would all your farked up, no self-esteem, self loathing daughters run away to with dreams of becoming "movie" stars?
---------------

They don't have to go all the way to California to be porn movie stars.
 
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