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2007-03-26 02:06:21 PM  
In New Orleans, everything got wet. Wet things dry out. Broken things don't fix themselves.

Yeah, they just got wet.

Is there a way I can give your post the Asinine tag?
 
2007-03-26 02:08:07 PM  
canyoneer

Well I'm not saying an earthquake would be a minor event. I'd publish the study's author but I'm having trouble finding it. If I ever find it I'll post it later.

In New Orleans, everything got wet. Wet things dry out. Broken things don't fix themselves.

That's a nice way to put it. "Everything got wet". As if it was only a few hours it needed to dry off? How about the mold, and the 4 digit death toll? Your words seem to minimize the toll that New Orleans and the rest of the Gulf Coast has had to deal with post Katrina.
 
2007-03-26 02:10:54 PM  
canyoneer

I think this is what I was talking about. I'm not sure if the quote about the hurricane possibly being the worst is from the study or from the newspaper article.

Houston Chronicle
 
2007-03-26 02:11:21 PM  
well, canyoneer, at least if we do have destruction of that magnitude, it might slow down the illegal problem for a bit.
 
2007-03-26 02:12:13 PM  
sweddjen
And the Mexicans no doubt biatched and whined about the "American Invaders" that were "takin' er jerbs!" and land, and lives.

I just hope there was someone there saying "You can't complain! Look what you did to the Aztecs, Toltecs, Olmecs, and Mayans!"
 
2007-03-26 02:17:09 PM  
And the housing issue always makes me laugh. If I move from California to Las Vegas (not that I would, that place is a shiat hole) I don't cause real estate prices to go up, the people who own the property (Las Vegas residents) just charge more, so it is in fact your own residents that are screwing you over.

Can I have some of what you are smoking? Its called supply and demand. I could say if it werent for all the SoCal folks moving to vegas, we would have never had to increase our house prices and therefore its your fault (not you specifically, but that group).

And yes, SoCal is at the same time both enabling and destroying Las Vegas. Its an odd situation. All these folks come and spend money on the weekends and keep the casinos in business, and when they do decide to move here, they bring their lifestyle with them. And the real Nevadans who are more libertarian than republican or democrat are getting pissed at government getting in our lives.
 
2007-03-26 02:19:13 PM  
I am just waiting for the Big One, that will cause everything east of the San Andreas Fault to tumble into the Atlantic. Then maybe all of those nutjobs will quit coming into and farking up my state.

/Love Ca.
//Native
///would love Ca to secede.
 
2007-03-26 02:20:01 PM  
Please, vote us out of the Union ... please. ;)

I'm sure no one would rush in to sell us anything we used to get from your state canyoneer.

If California leaves, will Texas follow?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Californian_independence

/no html-fu
 
2007-03-26 02:21:20 PM  
Its not all of California, just the souther half.
 
2007-03-26 02:23:52 PM  
Fark Everbody!

That's what i'm getting from this thread. Why do we even bother with attempting to make peace with other nations, hell... we hate eachothers guts, we might as well make inter-state wars.

Death to Oregon, All Hail California
 
2007-03-26 02:26:14 PM  
I'm going to have to join the Secessionist Faction in this thread. We've got something like the seventh largest economy on this planet-- we'll be fine without the dead weight.

/ I keed, I keed...
// :D
 
2007-03-26 02:28:16 PM  
And the real Nevadans who are more libertarian than republican or democrat are getting pissed at government getting in our lives.

QFT
 
2007-03-26 02:28:58 PM  
Finally,

Being from beautiful Seattle, I am fully aware of the negative influence of californian occupiers.

For the last 15 years, they have managed to make it nearly as crappy and overpriced as frisco while still managing to fill the freeways with their poorly piloted crappy cars, commuting to their tacky east-side condos.

I fully support mandatory relocation of illegal cal-aliens to cleanup camps located on the Hanford nuclear reservation in the beautiful south-central washington wastelands.
 
2007-03-26 02:30:38 PM  
www.zerosourceproject.com

If you don't like it in California, don't let the door hit on the ass on the way out. More dynamic people will take your place and smile.

canyoneer
Oh yeah, about earthquakes...and the beautiful intermountain West---you are aware that Wyoming or Washington state could blow at anytime, right?

ps: the New Madrid fault line is overdue for a 7 or an 8, and St.Louis is woefully unprepared for an earthquake. Brick buildings disintegrate in quakes. (That goes for NYC, too---Long Island Sound is there for a reason.)

earthquake.usgs.gov

/San Diego native
//Wishes all the Texans would go home.
 
2007-03-26 02:32:40 PM  
Photo of californian in his new camp issued work clothes:
www.heartofamericanorthwest.org
 
2007-03-26 02:34:21 PM  

In saying "everything got wet," I mean that the roads weren't destroyed, power poles toppled, pipelines ruptured in countless places, and substantial structures rendered uninhabitable. An 8-pointer in L.A. would do all of those things - and more. We're talking about "ruinous" to "catastrophic" damage on the Modified Mercalli Scale:

General panic; damage considerable in specially designed structures, well designed frame structures thrown out of plumb. Damage great in substantial buildings, with partial collapse. Buildings shifted off foundations. Some well built wooden structures destroyed; most masonry and frame structures destroyed with foundation. Rails bent. Few, if any masonry structures remain standing. Bridges destroyed. Rails bent greatly...Total damage - Almost everything is destroyed. Lines of sight and level distorted. Objects thrown into the air (like cars and trucks). The ground moves in waves or ripples. Large amounts of rock may move.


I am pretty sure that most people are wildly underestimating the troubles that will follow an 8+ point earthquake. If you're looking to the Loma Prieta or Northridge Quakes for a guide, you're way off base. An 8-pointer would be 10,000 times more powerful than either of those.
 
2007-03-26 02:34:29 PM  
Dear other 49 states:

Please don't judge real Californians by the whiny, spineless farktards who leave our state because they can't hack it here. Most of us are fine, regular people who are just as glad to see them go as you would be.

/CA native
//Never leaving, don't worry
///Greatest state in the union ftw
 
2007-03-26 02:35:41 PM  
Who are these people moving out of California? farking losers who can not get good enough job to pay the high prices here.

I have seen many people leave california, and each one of them were losers who lived like white trash including my neighbors.

Sorry other states, but you are getting california's trash. The rest of us can still afford to pay the high prices and smoke great herb.
 
2007-03-26 02:36:59 PM  
tatsumaki4ryu

ZombieCohagen

Damn you're right. I checked BoxOfficeMojo. Wild Hogs made $123.8 million domestically? Meanwhile Pan's Labyrinth has made $36.7 million and Children of Men $35.3 million.

I weep for my country.


Why? Because ppl want ENTERTAINMENT? Perhaps Hollywierd needs to realize that the ppl busting their ass in the real world, dona't want to be bombarded by the rose coloured of their actors. WE DON'T GIVE A FLYING FARK. We want escapism, not a thinly vailed mockumentary.
 
2007-03-26 02:37:15 PM  
buckbay: The rest of us can still afford to pay the high prices

and why are prices so damned high? That's right, because you suckers are willing to pay.
 
2007-03-26 02:39:35 PM  
Bonzo_1116

I am fully aware of the earthquake hazards around the U.S. Seattle is vulnerable, big time. Quakes in the Intermountain West are possible and probable, but there are no cities of eight or thirteen million people sitting in those areas. Denver is actually moderately vulnerable. 6.5 mag quakes happen along the Front Range fairly frequently and Denver is not built to withstand earthquakes, at all. But a 6.5 is most emphatically not the same thing as 8+. There are no other places in the U.S. as vulnerable as L.A. and San Francisco. Actually, I'm not sure "vulnerable" is the word. More like "inevitable."
 
2007-03-26 02:39:58 PM  
canyoneer

I mean the roads weren't destroyed...

From Wikipedia

Most of the major roads traveling into and out of the city were damaged. The only route out of the city was west on the Crescent City Connection as the I-10 Twin Span Bridge traveling east towards Slidell, Louisiana had collapsed. The 24 mile long Lake Pontchartrain Causeway escaped unscathed but was only carrying emergency traffic

I don't know about power poles toppling but the area was without clean water and had numerous power outages for weeks.

and subtantial structures rendered uninhabitable

You must have missed all the houses that were ruined and had to be bulldozed. Or the fact that it took about a year to rescue the Superdome. I have a friend from New Orleans. I was going to post some before and after photos she used to have but sadly she has taken them down. But it was of the same room and you wouldn't have even recognized it.
 
2007-03-26 02:40:22 PM  
TechieZero

South Korea, Japan and China are all kicking our ass at well made entertaining films. Our standards for what makes a good film in this country are piss poor. I blame your parents.
 
2007-03-26 02:40:50 PM  
www.codinghorror.com

Thanks, for pointing this out!
 
2007-03-26 02:41:20 PM  
Honest Bender: Also, California kicks ass. How many of you other lame states could break from the union and be better off?

Right, sure.

As long as Californians don't mind getting along without electric power or water. Both of which you have to import.

So once you leave the union, the federal nanny state price control coddling no longer applies to you. Then power companies in other states will be happy to charge you $20 per kilowatt hour. Heh.

Clean water for irrigation is going to cost you even more than electricity. But if all your crops die instead, I sure there are a few states that MIGHT sell you some food - maybe.

Have fun on your own, you elitist clean air freak eco-sissies.
 
2007-03-26 02:42:07 PM  
TechieZero

I weep because I found Pan's Labyrinth and Children of Men to be the two best movies of the year yet a dumb buddy comedy made four times the money. And neither one of the movies I mentioned would be described as a mockumentary. But if you enjoyed Wild Hogs, that's fine. It's a matter of opinion. Don't be so thin-skinned.
 
2007-03-26 02:42:54 PM  
spleef420


buckbay: The rest of us can still afford to pay the high prices

and why are prices so damned high? That's right, because you suckers are willing to pay.


Its all relative. To me, the prices are not high. To you, they might be. Get over it.
 
2007-03-26 02:44:48 PM  
ThrobblefootSpectre
{stuff} Have fun on your own, you elitist clean air freak eco-sissies.

Vote early and vote often! Kick us out!!
 
2007-03-26 02:44:57 PM  
I live in CA. I hate it here. Too much left wing BS. The only thing nice is the weather.

/lubs my guns
 
2007-03-26 02:45:26 PM  
I will start by saying I know not all Californians are bad and I am not lumping them into one group.

However, most of them that seem to end up here (Vegas) are the Cali trash. The mindless and souless clones of what you see in movies and on TV. People with a terrible sense of humor who are too cool for school and wont even say farking "thank you" if you hold a door open for them.

It is true in my experience that nintey percent of them will biatch about it here and tell you how much better L.A. or San Diego is. Well go the fark back then!

And the no smoking thing...don't even get me started on that bullshight. Its freakin VEGAS! This is where people come to somke and play poker and bang whores and shoot craps and get way too drunk at three in the afternoon! It's the City of Sin, not the City of Lame Ass Rules.

You don't like it, go the hell back and keep pretending you're spiritual because you read a book on Feng Shui and listen to Tool.
 
2007-03-26 02:49:21 PM  
I find California as annoying as anyone else in concept but the reality of it is that there are an entire nation of backwater hicks and borderline retards living in the middle of the country. They're the ones lacking education and general intelligence. They're the reason the country as a whole is still unable to understand concepts like evolution and civil liberties. I'm looking at you, Kentucky, Carolinas, Oregon, Idaho, etc etc.

That being said, there is no state in the country that is just aces all around. Or country in the world. And incidentally, don't you people realize we need both California and the middle states?

If you can't even deal with the thought that there might be people in the country you don't relate to, please allow yourself to go bobbing for anvils at your earliest convenience.
 
2007-03-26 02:50:01 PM  
I know that there are similar feelings of resentment on both sides of the Oklahoma/Texas border. A lot of Okies hate rich Texans moving in, buying up big chunks of land for ranches, and then refusing to let people hunt or fish on the land. On the other hand, I know a lot of Texans feel that all the freaky poor hillbillies move in to North Texas from Oklahoma, and ruin the property values.

For all you Californian's who are telling people to stop coming to your state, check the census records. Most new immigrants to aren't coming across the Eastern border, if you catch my drift. In fact, the Eastern border seems to be the escape route for Californians fleeing the hordes.

And by the way, I hope California does secede. Either it would end up being better in the long run for both California and the other 49, or we in the other 49 would get to re-enact Sherman's march to the Sea all the way from San Francisco to San Diego.
 
2007-03-26 02:52:28 PM  
Canyoneer

If you're looking to the Loma Prieta or Northridge Quakes for a guide, you're way off base. An 8-pointer would be 10,000 times more powerful than either of those.

I'm sorry, have you ever actually looked at the MMS?

Lome Prieta was a 6.9 or a 7.1, depending on what aspect you're looking at. We'll go ahead and average them for ease of math, a 7.

Thus an 8 would be approximately 30 times more energy released, not 10000.
 
2007-03-26 02:52:34 PM  
This headline is like saying the sun will rise tomorrow. No crap California is bad.
 
2007-03-26 02:54:59 PM  
Noosh

Kentucky, the Carolinas, and Oregon are in the middle of the country? Have you looked at a map lately? Oregon and the Carolinas actually sit on the ocean.

I live in North Carolina. Are there some idiot rednecks around here? Definitely! Any more so than other places? Nope not in my experience.

And I learned evolutions in school. We didn't do anything about intelligent design. I think that's more Kansas territory.

Before you lump North Carolina with other states on being blatantly ignorant, you might want to look at some of our colleges and universities. UNC-Chapel Hill, Duke (granted they suck), NC State, Davidson, Wake Forest, Appalachian State, UNC-Wilmington, and UNC-Asheville are all pretty respectable schools. Not many states can match NC for quality colleges in the state.
 
2007-03-26 02:57:20 PM  
pushpinder

This headline is like saying the sun will rise tomorrow. No crap California is bad.


Horrible, we don't deserve to be associated with the rest of you. Feel free to vote us out of the Union. :D

/Can't get the other NorCal people to realize we need LA, except the business types.
 
2007-03-26 02:58:08 PM  
MisterRPG: My state has a smoking ban for a few years now. I hang out at this watering hole with an outside deck. Even when there's a farking blizzard outside, you will find 95% of the patrons outside and 5% (if that many) inside. Tell me with a straight face that's Democracy.

That's not democracy, that's utter farking stupidity! Chew some Nicorette for fark's sake and go inside before you freeze!
 
2007-03-26 02:59:36 PM  
InferiousX

...and wont even say farking "thank you" if you hold a door open for them.

So I'm guessing this is how it usually plays out...

InferiousX: *opens door to Binion's Horseshoe for tourist*

Tourist: *enters without comment*

InferiousX: HEY! You didn't THANK ME! You must be from CALIFORNIA!!!

Tourist: Why yes, yes I am.

InferiousX: Once again my theory about Californians has been proven CORRECT!

Tourist: Do you have a job or a girlfriend?

InferiousX: No.

Tourist: Play World of Warcraft.

InferiousX: Ok.
 
2007-03-26 03:00:44 PM  
Born and raised in Ventura, CA. Now I have to live in Davis. I can't stand Northern California. Thats coming from a guy who used to live in an artist colony in LA.

Heres the difference:

Southern California: Everyone is out to get you, everyone is full of bullshiat, but at least we all know it. Theres almost a culture of courteous blarney.

Northern California: Everyone is full of shiat, but they BELIEVE their own bullshiat. They lack the American killing instinct, and they lack original thought. At the same time they somehow manage to take themselves seriously.

Still, I'd rather live up here than many other parts of the country.

/Hawaii here I come
//It'd be weird to lose minority status
 
2007-03-26 03:01:38 PM  
I love how people complain about the liberals trying to "tell them what to do," when they are the very same people trying to push Judeo-Christian morality into legislation...

Also: To the rest of America, if you really want California's cultural influence to lessen, get off your fat asses and stop watching the TV / Movies that california produces. Go to a museum, read a book, do something else. Really, we all know this isn't going to happen, you are too fat and lazy and people in LA are smart enough to take advantage of that fact by constantly refilling your feeder bottle with the mindless entertainment you crave in order to forget how mundane your lives are. The people who makes these shows and films are not at home watching them, they are out surfing, skiing, socializing, and living life, with fund generated by you. The often document what they are doing with the money, and sell that back to you and your kids (MTV reality shows, anyone?). How does that feel?

You have in every imaginable way lost whatever cultural war you were fighting.
 
2007-03-26 03:01:47 PM  
California & Hawaii are all I need, I have no reason to go east except to visit ex-Californians which I haven't done yet....I'm simple that way.

So I'll visit the rest in pictures.....you're welcome.
 
2007-03-26 03:03:11 PM  
Hey don't worry everybody, Los Angeles is bound to go into another crash and burn stage. Crime is going to spike immensely soon, black and brown race wars have began. Los Angeles might lose it's water supply, which means all the surrounding areas with wells and aquifers will be farked, so people from the other areas are going to hate people from LA.

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM.

I like Earthquakes btw, they are fun (unless the connector falls and crashes and cripples the state and increase truck traffic on my road).

Oh well, California is better place, but the people aren't. I hate most the people in this state.
 
2007-03-26 03:04:08 PM  
helix400, wisconsins pretty inoffensive. I mean we've got cheese and beer, who doesn't love that.
 
2007-03-26 03:04:21 PM  
canyoneer
first of all, you're talking about damage in the epicenter. As we all know, earthquakes get progressively weaker as they flow out from said epicenter. Therefore, while your predictions are valid, we're talking about a several dozen to a hundred square mile area.

Additionally, this will most likely NOT be in the middle of Los Angeles. It COULD happen, but it is more likely to happen in San Francisco, Northridge, or along one of the many fault lines that criss cross the inland areas. California is BIG... don't forget that.

I'm not disputing your claims, I just think you underestimate people's reaction to crisis. There would be rioting and looting, of course, and widespread panic, but my contention is that we've been fortunate to never experience these things in the historical context of it all.

Throughout history, there have always been wars, famine, disease, pestilence, and especially natural disasters. Every generation thinks the end of the world as we know it is happening in our lifetime.

And they've all been right, more often than not. We've had two disasters of biblical proportions in the past three years. And thats not even considering the Pakistani earthquake.

So I spend alot of my time preparing for the end of the world as we know it. Not because I really think the world is ending, but because its just smart. I hang out with survivalists in the desert, I talk with sustainable development experts, and I work with volunteers who rebuild after disasters. Hopefully, I won't have to use ALL of these skills in Southern California (my hometown is Riverside), but at the very least we can start preparing for a more distributed, value based capitalist system that will replace our current screwed up economy.
 
2007-03-26 03:04:36 PM  
MedicDance
Northern California: Everyone is full of shiat, but they BELIEVE their own bullshiat. They lack the American killing instinct, and they lack original thought. At the same time they somehow manage to take themselves seriously.

WTF? Is that a euphemism for nice or something?
 
2007-03-26 03:04:36 PM  
SideburnSlim
Mock as you may, I've lived in Boston and been in New York and even in those areas where I was told people would be "cold and callous" at least had basic manners.

And yea...they usually were Californians. I didn't have to ask since they usually announce it.
 
2007-03-26 03:05:46 PM  
North Carolina is so backward it should be called Anilorac Htron.
 
2007-03-26 03:08:22 PM  
Northern California: Everyone is full of shiat, but they BELIEVE their own bullshiat. They lack the American killing instinct, and they lack original thought. At the same time they somehow manage to take themselves seriously.

Yeah, because all those engineers in silicon valley never came up with anything new, right?
 
2007-03-26 03:09:53 PM  
Chaussman: Maybe the reason for so much hate is envy?

Er, no. I moved out of California for a variety of reasons.

1. High taxes.
2. High cost of living (goods and services are more expensive).
3. High housing prices. ($900/month for a studio in a San Francisco suburb? I think not.)
4. Absurdly high gas prices due to high gas taxes and specific customized blends for the state.
5. Overly restrictive gun laws.
6. Too much traffic in the SF Bay Area.
7. To little open space within a reasonable distance (having to drive for an hour and a half to get out of the Bay Area is a bit much -- I can drive 20 minutes from my apartment in Tucson and be in the middle of the desert, which I find relaxing.)
8. Hippies. (When I was in the Army Guard, I had to go to drill at Santa Cruz...hippie central. I'm surprised they didn't picket us, though they did eventually get the armory shut down.)
9. Yet more hippies.
10. Political wingnuts.
11. Meddlesome politicians. Stay off my lawn, you bastards.

Yes, California has a large economy, and lots of fruits, vegetables, and other agricultural products are made there. I have no problem buying California-grown agricultural products, or drinking California wine. Zero problem at all. That doesn't mean I envy Californians at all.

But I dislike how Californias flee California due to a combination of some of the above reasons (or some of their own), then try to turn Arizona into the same thing they left.

Sure, I miss the beach sometime, but the desert's fun too, if you have the right mindset for it. The weather here's a lot nicer than San Francisco -- it gets hot during the summer, and pleasant during the winter. No real long, dreary, overcast winters like in San Francisco...it didn't get cold there, nor snow...just cool, rainy, and cloudy. It kinda sucks after a while.
 
2007-03-26 03:11:29 PM  
Born and raised in Montana. Now I'm in Berkeley. I wanna go home now.
 
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