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(CBS News)   So Bush is all like, "nuh uh" and the House was like, "subpoenowed" and now the Senate is all like "what they said, biatch"   (cbsnews.com) divider line 1657
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2007-03-22 02:01:14 PM
RancidOne

Aren't there some other pressing matters going on rather than having a Dem/Rep pissing match? I didn't vote for these whack jobs to fight.
I swear, they're all freakin' crazy...


A) this is bipartisan
B) this is about the politicization of federal prosecutions, with a very likely possibility of obstruction of justice.

Between A) and B) you look pretty damned stupid for that post.
 
2007-03-22 02:01:22 PM
Weaver95: telling point, that.

31 of his staff members testified 47 (or was it 45?) times before Congress.

Bush has had 1 of his staff members testify before Congress; so far he's prevented at least 3 of his staff members from testifying... the first president since Nixon to do so.

Gosh, no wonder people are suspicious.
 
2007-03-22 02:01:24 PM
spelunking_defenestrator: And show me some of these seething, frothing rabid posts. I'm not seeing them, Mr. Never Voted For A Republican In My Life who needed me to explain the issue to him five minutes ago BUT suddenly knows enough about the issue to know that no wrong was committed.

You need to catch up. I already explained why I was asking questions. It was to confirm my suspicions that no one could actually come up with any wrongdoing that had been committed and the evidence to back it up. I was right. Simply ASKING for facts I was labeled a Bush apologist. This is a political issue, not a legal one.
 
2007-03-22 02:01:34 PM
sigdiamond2000: The mainstream media is irrelevant.

I'm a Bush supporter and I've never said the MSM was irrelevant. Furthermore, I'm not sure that I've heard from a Bush supporter who claimed such. I think it's very relevant, and very biased.
 
2007-03-22 02:01:46 PM
By calling you a Freeper they are saying you are unable to think for yourself.

All I know is that i'm not Conservative enough to post on freerepublic.com without getting banned.
 
2007-03-22 02:01:46 PM
This is where unchecked electronic spying comes in to play. The Patriot Act, Total Information Awareness and all the spying tools are working double time digging up dirt on the congressmen, Senate Judiciary et al who are persuing this.

Behind closed doors is where the negotiations will take place.
You don't grow old in politics w/o skeletons in closet.

Sure there may be a fall guy or two to satiate the public, but as seen with Iran-Contra and Poindexter, it's rare someone big takes the fall. It'll be a movie of the week, a cool-ride on the talk-circuit at $15k a pop or maybe your own TV/Radio show like Oliver 'I dealt dope for the gov' North.

I'd be surprised if anyone gets pushed under a bus for this one. Sure there may be an 'accident or a 'heart-attack' (*cough Ken Lay), but it I doubt we'll see a scandal blown wide-open like Watergate.

Laws are for the average joe, while the elite 'masters of the universe' are quietly allowed to bend this country over.

Let's hope I'm wrong and these rats start canabalising eachother - but it's doubtfull.


//Enjoy! :-)
 
2007-03-22 02:01:47 PM
secondeye: Whether you like him or not, his title and military rank is President Bush.

Title: president
Military Rank: Commander-in-Chief
 
2007-03-22 02:02:05 PM
Impeach, hang, salt to taste.
 
2007-03-22 02:02:21 PM
2007-03-22 01:59:49 PM secondeye

Talking shiat with that 3rd eye though arentcha?
 
2007-03-22 02:02:28 PM
SunOfSam: the quantity of willfully ignorant and partisan farks around this thread

Eeeexactly. There are a certain number of dead-enders. You can't get them to change their tune about *anything*, and there isn't any use in trying. In fact, part of their very purpose in keeping at it with discredited talking points and willfull obtuseness is to continue to confuse the issue.

Once you figure out who they are, just give up on them, because you can't engage in anything like a rational discussion with them.

Don't let that prevent you from having a reasonable conversation with someone who disagrees with you, though, because one of you can come away more informed than before.

Big red stripes.
 
2007-03-22 02:02:31 PM
baby_hewey: Well you used it derogatorily, but it would be used in referance to a positive action toward a buddy, these guys were canned which would not be an act of "cronyism", however their hirering might have been.

Bud Cummins was canned in order to place a crony, J. Timothy Griffin, who used to be Rove's aide, in his spot.
 
2007-03-22 02:02:57 PM
A quote from White House Press Sec. Tony Snow Op-Ed - St. Louis Post-Dispatch, March 29, 1998 :

"Evidently, Mr. Clinton wants to shield virtually any communications that take place within the White House compound on the theory that all such talk contributes in some way, shape or form to the continuing success and harmony of an administration. Taken to its logical extreme, that position would make it impossible for citizens to hold a chief executive accountable for anything. He would have a constitutional right to cover up."

and...

"Most of us want no part of a president who is cynical enough to use the majesty of his office to evade the one thing he is sworn to uphold -- the rule of law."
 
2007-03-22 02:03:14 PM
Hi! I'm the Nube who jacked up the thread!
I'm deeply sorry for failing to use proper spaceing
while posting on this thread.

The Beer is on me tonight,
Tell Dave to put it on my tab.

And with that, I bid you a good day!
I SAID, GOOD DAY!!!
 
2007-03-22 02:03:26 PM
People people...come on. We have to wait until all the facts are in, both sides have been heard, and a ruling is found, before we decide...

Electric chair, or hanging? ;)
 
2007-03-22 02:03:26 PM
elchip
baby_hewey: What the hell is a Freeper, or at least your definition of it?

Hint:


I'm sorry I was asking for a real def of the term, but I forgot that you can't have a rational discourse and resort to insults and posting of Pics that are funny and try to use them to insult. I guess I need to rephrase the question so that you understand what I am asking.

What is a Freeper in your terms? Are you refering to people that participate in the Free State Project or is it some other slang term?

Is that a more clear and reasoned question?
 
2007-03-22 02:04:00 PM
mathmatix

yeah sad it wont change the damage already done to those investigations harmed by the firings.


It won't change that in the future either. It's the re-appointment that was changed. They can no longer skip congress, but they can still be fired, like the past.
 
2007-03-22 02:04:20 PM
I've heard it mentioned several times that the President can fire appointees for ANY reason. This is simply not true. There is a difference between being able to fire someone for NO reason and being able to fire for ANY reason.
 
2007-03-22 02:04:22 PM
People people...come on. We have to wait until all the facts are in, both sides have been heard, and a ruling is found, before we decide...

Electric chair, or hanging? ;)


I say we throw Baltar out of an airlock.
 
2007-03-22 02:04:23 PM

So just calling someone overseas is justification enough to wire tap them?

wow. if that's true, then I've got to be on thousands of hours of NSA tapes. I work international help desk for a major fortune 500 company based in the United States and make frequent calls out to foreign countries.


I wonder if HP knows this. They outsource their customer support to India, so I'm sure they're on the suspect list as well.
 
2007-03-22 02:04:25 PM
xria: (no doubt the same would be true of a D President with a D Congress, overall it seems like a weak spot in the fundamental design of government in the US)

As long as we have this crappy two party system its our job as voters to keep one party in control of congress and the other in control of the presidency. When they are wasting all this time fighting amongst themselves then it means they are spending less time trying to screw us.

Frankly, that's the only comfort I can take in this current investigation. I'd love to see the admin stand accountable for all the crap that's gone on in the last 6 years but sadly all they have to do is stonewall until Jan 09 and then it won't matter.
 
2007-03-22 02:05:01 PM
kliq
I'm sorry but I think Bush is better represented by...
img292.imageshack.us
...Happy Time Harry.
 
2007-03-22 02:05:08 PM
mathmatix

it makes no sense when you know congress will call your bluff and you have to rely on the hope it will get sent to the supreme court

Think of it like this. You're a room with no food or water where the only exit involves hand to hand combat with a Bengal tiger. I would wait until I was very thirsty before I jumped into that mess.

I think The Administration is scraping and clawing at the wall, hoping there was a secret door they overlooked.
 
2007-03-22 02:05:13 PM
skleenar
Or do you want partisan justice?


I am loving the wide eyed suprise that the DOJ is politicized under this or any previous administration.

Lowly assistant county DA's prosecuting DUIs and wifebeaters lose their job when a new DA from the other party gets appointed.

Did you guys really think that the DOJ was nonpolitical or are you pulling out the good ole fark thread 'play dumb' tactic?
 
2007-03-22 02:05:19 PM
I can only imagine what historians are going to write about President Bush in future 8th grade American History textbooks.
 
2007-03-22 02:05:20 PM
I regret that I have but one life to live..

'cause watching this group of criminals go down will take a few lifetimes, and will be fun to watch.
 
2007-03-22 02:05:21 PM
mmm... pancake
This is a political issue, not a legal one.

the investigation hasn't even begun and you can make this assessment? what brilliant and objective analysis.

no really.
 
2007-03-22 02:05:21 PM
baby_hewey

i23.photobucket.com

these guys were canned which would not be an act of "cronyism", however their hirering might have been.
 
2007-03-22 02:05:22 PM
Xenthan: "Most of us want no part of a president who is cynical enough to use the majesty of his office to evade the one thing he is sworn to uphold -- the rule of law."

I couldn't agree with Mr. Snow more. So...what law regarding the employment of a U.S. attorney was broken here?
 
2007-03-22 02:05:28 PM
Weaver95

By calling you a Freeper they are saying you are unable to think for yourself.

All I know is that i'm not Conservative enough to post on freerepublic.com without getting banned.


And most people called Freepers, myself included, have never even been to Freerepublic.

It's merely an attack to discredit, it's very childish.
 
2007-03-22 02:05:39 PM
I wonder if HP knows this. They outsource their customer support to India, so I'm sure they're on the suspect list as well.

The NSA wiretap thing is bullshiat. those guys broke the law and the President knew it. Someone should go to jail over that mess.
 
2007-03-22 02:06:14 PM
Wow. It seems the admin is so appalling bad at executing its illegal activities now that checks and balances are returning. They are not only corrupt but completely inept at executing their corruption and circumvention of our constitution. Now they plan to pull their nonexistant cooperation. Ohhhh scary.
 
2007-03-22 02:06:16 PM
Weaver95: I say we throw Baltar out of an airlock.

Well, I've always wanted to see if explosive decompression or freezing would kill someone first...
 
2007-03-22 02:06:16 PM
weaver
So just calling someone overseas is justification enough to wire tap them?

wow. if that's true, then I've got to be on thousands of hours of NSA tapes. I work international help desk for a major fortune 500 company based in the United States and make frequent calls out to foreign countries.

what if bush was out of town at all during this, does that make it okay for the nsa to listen? seems like this administration wants to pass laws and not follow the laws they put forth.
---------------------------------------------------------
baby hewey
thats not a hair question
/yes i know i am second to use it
/mediaho, kudos for keepign it alive
 
2007-03-22 02:06:37 PM
PAPASandBEER

Your troll-fu style is excellent! It is no match for my northern fist of logic!

Amended without strikethrough as apparently the del tag no longer functions

Republican administration fires attorney for

not prosecuting Democratic candidates prior to elections in spite of lacking evidence and bigger priorities. Also fires attorneys for no reason other than failure to abuse authority to ensure Republican majority. (Note: none were actually "fired," but were "asked" to resign.)




Republican administration offers to allow democrats to mock themselves with off the record accounts of how their legal system has been pwnd.

Democratic senators scoff at the offer and instead demand a full account of what happened so it can be determined if any criminal action was taken.

Oral vote allows investigation with obvious and only intent being to Maintain the absolute rule of law.



/well, there you have it.


Indeed. Thank you.
 
2007-03-22 02:06:52 PM
And most people called Freepers, myself included, have never even been to Freerepublic.

you should create an account over there. I suspect you'll like it.
 
2007-03-22 02:06:58 PM
baby_hewey: What is a Freeper in your terms? Are you refering to people that participate in the Free State Project or is it some other slang term?

Is that a more clear and reasoned question?


No, you have it wrong. The term refers to a visitor of freerepublic.com, an ultra-right wing news aggregator and message board.
 
2007-03-22 02:07:39 PM
twistedknickers: the investigation hasn't even begun and you can make this assessment? what brilliant and objective analysis.

no really.


IXI Jim IXI: Electric chair, or hanging?

SharkUW: I'm not sure how you are defining "well", but I too am disappointed that Bush will probably not be impeached.

Monkey's Knuckle: Impeach, hang, salt to taste.
 
2007-03-22 02:07:51 PM
But since the wiretaping is only on international calls with known or suspected terrorist affiliations, that provides the probable cause to justify the listening.

Weaver95: "So just calling someone overseas is justification enough to wire tap them?"


Weaver95,
This is a cut and paste made just for you since you have obvious reading comprehension skills issues---

Office Ninja: "But since the wiretaping is only on international calls WITH KNOWN OR SUSPECTED TERRORIST AFFILIATIONS, that provides the probable cause to justify the listening."

Are you saying that you have terrorist affiliations when you make your calls. Then yes, you should be tapped. End of story.
 
2007-03-22 02:08:44 PM
Weaver95: you should create an account over there. I suspect you'll like it.

I know that two very conservative members of this site has also been banned from Free Republic. If they aren't conservative enough... well, wow.

/I've been banned from there too... obviously
 
2007-03-22 02:08:59 PM
PAPASandBEER: Recap:

Republican administration fires attorney for not prosecuting enough gun and immigration violations. Also fires attorneys for no reason other than that's what administrations have done historically. (Note: none were actually "fired," but were "asked" to resign.)


At least that's what this administration wants us to believe, even though these gun and immigration violations didn't show up anywhere on their positive reviews. And no, they weren't "fired" but did they really have a choice?

Democratic bloggers magically link resignations to "investigations of wrongdoing" within the administration.

There is no "magic link." The "asked-to-resign" attorneys have a similar story that they've been telling, and that story is that they were asked to do some illegal and/or unethical activities for GOP members that the US attorneys were unwilling to do, and after they didn't do them, they were asked to resign. That is really slimy to normal people. One other guy US attorney might have been fired to make room for one of Rove's personal friends. That's still rather crappy, but not as bad as the others.

Republican administration offers to allow inquiry into alleged wrongdoing.

As long as it's not under oath, the public can't know what they say, and no one records what they say in any way, shape or form. But other than that, sure, the investigation is no-holds barred.

Democratic senators scoff at the offer and instead demand a show trial.

Democrats realize that the offer is insulting and instead flex their new power to get to the truth instead of the lies that they'd hear while the people being investigated are not under oath.

Oral vote allows show trial with obvious and only intent being to drag subpoenaed parties through the mud.

Obvious intent is to get an actual honest answer. Dragged into the sunlight, actually.

/well, there you have it.

Or not.
 
2007-03-22 02:09:18 PM
Weaver95

The NSA wiretap thing is bullshiat. those guys broke the law and the President knew it. Someone should go to jail over that mess.

There is evidence suggesting Gonzales had Bush stymie the investigations of that particular issue when it became apparent that Gonzales was a target of the investigation.
 
2007-03-22 02:09:29 PM
Weaver95: So why did he do this?

I believe it's called arrogance.
 
2007-03-22 02:10:00 PM
Wow...mmm... pancake apparently skipped the "twist" setting and put his panties right on "spin" today ;)
 
2007-03-22 02:10:42 PM
2007-03-22 01:58:31 PM Manfred Richthofen

I seem to remember Clinton's staff complying with the subpoenas.


Not always.
 
2007-03-22 02:11:11 PM
"But since the wiretaping is only on international calls WITH KNOWN OR SUSPECTED TERRORIST AFFILIATIONS, that provides the probable cause to justify the listening."

So basically all the NSA has to say (say - not prove) that they believe someone is suspected to have terrorist ties, and they can wiretap away to their hearts' content?

scary scary stuff dude. Not that we really had much of a 4th amendment left after the war on drugs anyway but it's just sad to see what's left of our rights die so quickly and without fanfare.
 
2007-03-22 02:11:17 PM
I remember now.

It does seem like Clinton's staff was fairly cooperative with a hostile Congress and willingly testified without subpoenas.

This included his Chief of Staff.



another reason to hate Bush. I've lost count.
 
2007-03-22 02:11:20 PM
Weaver95

All I know is that i'm not Conservative enough to post on freerepublic.com without getting banned.


Telling point, that.
 
2007-03-22 02:11:21 PM
Rove is the Pandora's box of this administration. There's no way he'll testify. He'll go to jail first.
 
2007-03-22 02:11:26 PM
Do me a favor: When you can find a law relating to the employment of a U.S. Attorney and how the Bush Administration may have broken it, e-mail me at uatuba[nospam-﹫-backwards]l­iam­g*com

I have to go now, but I'll be really interested if anyone can come up with something. So far I've yet to find any hint of legal wrongdoing. Now, if you want to bring morality into the equation, that certain changes things.
 
2007-03-22 02:11:27 PM
IXI Jim IXI

It's looking like those flapjacks are a bit undercooked.
 
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