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2007-03-21 04:06:11 PM  
Sponsored by publisher Little, Brown and Co., the competition promoted "A Perfect Mess: The Hidden Benefits of Disorder," by Eric Abrahamson and David Freedman, a new book that argues neatness is overrated, costs money, wastes time and quashes creativity.

So, this is one of those "press release" articles that Drew likes to talk about?
 
2007-03-21 04:12:22 PM  
No [Obvious] tag?
 
2007-03-21 04:13:04 PM  
krelborne: neatness is overrated, costs money, wastes time and quashes creativity.

Which is why although my art studio is a huge mess, beautiful things come out of it daily.
 
2007-03-21 04:53:03 PM  
This comic spoke directly to me, as I'm a very productive person...

imgs.xkcd.com

xkcd
 
2007-03-21 05:01:17 PM  
I should have three Nobels by now if this is true.

Of course, I did get several letters from Stockholm that have been misplaced in my clutter.
 
2007-03-21 05:35:03 PM  
BackAssward: No [Obvious] tag?

I have it here, somewhere.
 
2007-03-21 05:47:11 PM  
I see a lot of anecdotal evidence and opinion, but no study.

I've known top notch people on both sides of the fence. In fact the two top programmers at my last job were perfect examples. I'm a messy bastard (although I keep my flat neat, bizarrely), and the other guy is a neat freak.

Maybe I should write a book, if that's the level of evidence required.
 
2007-03-21 05:53:42 PM  
This isn't news. If you've got time to keep a tidy desk, you're underperforming.
 
2007-03-21 05:56:46 PM  
WOOHOO! Vindicated at last.
 
2007-03-21 05:58:07 PM  
I'd post a photo of my massively cluttered desk, but I can't find the camera.
 
2007-03-21 05:58:25 PM  
My brain is so cluttered I can't think of anything to say. I must be a genius!

/got nothin'
 
2007-03-21 05:58:29 PM  
fark.
 
2007-03-21 05:58:40 PM  
jay_vee
If you don't write a book, that at least has the makings for a great sitcom!
 
2007-03-21 05:58:48 PM  
Well, duh!

Samrt people invent stuff that saves them effort and work. Which is why practically all inventors are lazy slobs.

/lazy slob
 
2007-03-21 05:58:52 PM  
I'm not a slob, but my desk appears that way because I simply have too much time to do to carve out any time to clean up. Too bad the life of a financial planner isn't usually all that productive.

/in the middle of a phone session
//get treated like a telemarketer
///by people who've trusted me with up to a million
 
2007-03-21 05:59:44 PM  
BackAssward

No [Obvious] tag?

It's too busy keeping its work area clean.
 
2007-03-21 05:59:50 PM  
Barry Izsak, head of the National Association of Professional Organizers

What?

Hahaha!
 
2007-03-21 06:00:54 PM  
I'm one of those really tidy, organized types, but I once read something that made me think. It was along the lines of, "Your desk/office/home may appear to be a disaster, but really, if you can lay your hands on any item within a couple of minutes of looking for it, you're as organized as you need to be." That makes sense to me. Sometimes obsessive types like myself are so compulsive about being organized, that we actually compromise our own efficiency.

I'm still a neat freak, but I'm less self-righteous about it now.
 
2007-03-21 06:02:20 PM  
organized clutter i call it...
 
2007-03-21 06:03:03 PM  
Yeah i used to fight with a coworker over this... she somehow found the time to read harry potter books at work yet I was overburdened with all work she was too stupid to do.
 
2007-03-21 06:03:11 PM  
That's why I only wipe my butt every other time.

/wait WHAT?
 
2007-03-21 06:03:33 PM  
Akuinnen

Yeah, how anal do you have to be to become head of the National Association of Professional Organizers?
 
2007-03-21 06:04:58 PM  
"If a cluttered desk is a sign of a cluttered mind, of what then, is an empty desk?"

Albert Einstein
 
2007-03-21 06:09:32 PM  
marked for later. carry on
 
2007-03-21 06:13:52 PM  
Of course we slobs are more productive; we spend less time cleaning our desks and more time working! Well, unless we are on Fark...anyway, when our desks are clean, we can't find anything!
*digs under junk* Now what'd I do with that Flash drive?
 
2007-03-21 06:15:14 PM  
I've been told my home was almost neat....for a guy...
 
2007-03-21 06:18:05 PM  
Finally! I have the HARD SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE I need to confront my harpy of a wife! Sloppy OR Lazy... You can choose one, but science says I can't be both.

This dilemma will hopefully keep her quiet just long enough for me to catch a LONG nap in a large pile of dirty socks! Yay science!
 
2007-03-21 06:18:34 PM  
wouldn't posting on fark about how productive you are be some sort of oxymoron?
 
2007-03-21 06:23:57 PM  
2007-03-21 05:58:40 PM Fabric_Man
jay_vee
If you don't write a book, that at least has the makings for a great sitcom!


You don't know the half of it. The anal guy I worked with is gay!
 
2007-03-21 06:26:25 PM  
MadAfro

I'd post a photo of my massively cluttered desk, but I can't find my desk.
 
2007-03-21 06:26:40 PM  
jay_vee The anal guy I worked with is gay!

*rimshot*?
 
2007-03-21 06:27:08 PM  
jingks: wouldn't posting on fark about how productive you are be some sort of oxymoron?

I think posting on Fark to point out how unproductive everyone else is that posts on Fark merits it's own little fiery corner of hell.
 
2007-03-21 06:28:08 PM  
My cube is a farking mess, littered with hard drives, PC's, cables etc. My house is quite tidy though.
 
2007-03-21 06:28:48 PM  
FINALLY I'm an exception to one of these studies. I'm a slob and I'm not productive at all!
 
2007-03-21 06:31:57 PM  
images.amazon.com

These slobs aren't productive at all.
 
2007-03-21 06:33:00 PM  
As long as you're not wasting time looking for things then you're saving time by not putting things in a specific place. On the other hand, if you can't remember where you put things then it saves time to put things in a specific place. It's not very complicated.
 
2007-03-21 06:36:54 PM  
Bah. I think the answer, like most, is in the middle. It saves you a lot of time if you aren't constantly trying to find things or forgetting appointments/responsibilities by staying organized. Organization is a huge time saver up to a point (insert diminishing returns graph). I ended up being the go to person for information in my previous office because I had a system that let me lay my hands on info quickly. My boss recognized this and gave me all the complicated projects over my less organized counterpart, who was otherwise just as capable. In crunch time though, you just have to let the papers fly to keep up with it.
/It's working out for me so far
 
2007-03-21 06:38:53 PM  
SharkUW

As long as you're not wasting time looking for things then you're saving time by not putting things in a specific place. On the other hand, if you can't remember where you put things then it saves time to put things in a specific place. It's not very complicated.

No, but you sure make it sound like it is.
 
2007-03-21 06:43:21 PM  
"if you've got time to clean your desk, your not working hard enough"

--Me.

/spends his time on fark and techcomedy.com
 
2007-03-21 06:45:39 PM  
I'm always totally organizized...pancakes taste good!1
 
2007-03-21 06:48:46 PM  
Somebody should say something encouraging, like "sharpen the saw."
 
2007-03-21 06:50:59 PM  
I haven't cleaned since December. I'm only home to sleep!
 
2007-03-21 06:51:26 PM  
img.photobucket.com


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Wow, this article has convinced me that I should be the most productive person on Earth!


I didn't even have a pathway through the stuff piled on the ground...I simply knew where to step where there would be a minimal chance of me breaking something. I knew where pretty much everything I could possibly want to use was though, despite appearances.


I have never really been one to care too much about spatial organization. Somewhat paradoxically I'm also an endlessly romantic aesthete. Go figure.


That was a few years ago, my senior year of highschool by recollection. I'm a second year university student now and my new room isn't nearly that farked, but my mind is as messy as ever.


I'm highly intelligent, but I know first hand that it's difficult to be efficient or productive when you're as scattered as I am.


"As above, so below", or perhaps more appropriately, as without, as within.

 
2007-03-21 06:56:05 PM  
There is some serious blurring of the issues here.

"Slob-like" does not necessarily mean "disorganized", it's just a different form of organization.
 
2007-03-21 06:57:47 PM  
What SharkUW and BillSPreston said. I HAVE to be a neat desk guy. My mind is utterly disorganized, so I must organize my physical workspace to find things, remember things, even think clearly. Other people can function just fine in clutter. Generally, the people I have worked for have used me for the things that absolutely positively have to get done and done right - and used the slobs for things that have to get done fast.
 
2007-03-21 07:04:45 PM  
I'm a neatnik and it's true. Slobs are more productive than me. They are busy being productive so have no time to clean things up. I once knew someone who had a bumper sticker that read "I'm too busy to be organized!" And how.
 
2007-03-21 07:05:26 PM  
"Clutter is just delayed decisions."

www.calgarysun.com


/obscure?
//I'd hit it in a sloppy, disorganized fashion
 
2007-03-21 07:07:24 PM  
I'm a professional organizer, and I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...

/ would've been here sooner, but it took me a few minutes to find my keyboard
 
2007-03-21 07:10:53 PM  
He approves
i11.tinypic.com
 
2007-03-21 07:13:01 PM  
SideburnSlim: I'd hit it in a sloppy, disorganized fashion


You mean you'd clumsily grope her elbows, then pee in her left nostril? Yeah, I've been there a million times too.
 
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