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2007-03-21 01:06:30 PM
tecnoir: Has anyone figured out what the crime is yet?...anyone?...Bueller?... Bueller?

That's sort of what an investigation is for. You guys have been shoving your fingers in your ears and screaming la la la for so long, you've undoubtedly damaged your hearing and your vocal cords.

Besides which, even if there was no crime, Congress still has a duty to investigate to see if it needs to ensure safeguards against a president who thinks the U.S. attorneys should be used to go after political enemies. You may not care now, but you will when a Democrat gets in office. I care now, and I will care then.
 
2007-03-21 01:06:35 PM
IXI Jim IXI
toonz: golly! did they get oral from a chubby intern too?!?

Yeah. They haven't released his name yet though.


I knew I could count on you Jim (no brisket this time, I was ready)
 
2007-03-21 01:06:49 PM
Feyrerm: So your saying you voted for gridlock

When the country is rolling downhill towards Hell, I would in fact prefer to stop the downward momentum---again preferably before trudging back up the hill step by step. That point when you stop rolling is often referred to as "gridlock."

/Still rolling. Takes a lot to stop 6.5 years of evil. :)
 
2007-03-21 01:06:50 PM
TheMaskedUnit: And it's called testifying because the Romans would swear on their balls that they were telling the truth. Look it up.

I don't think so.
 
2007-03-21 01:07:17 PM
"Neither the doctrine of separation of powers, nor the need for confidentiality of high-level communications, without more, can sustain an absolute, unqualified Presidential privilege of immunity from judicial process under all circumstances. The President's need for complete candor and objectivity from advisors calls for great deference from the courts. However, when the privilege depends solely on the broad, undifferentiated claim of public interest in the confidentiality of such conversations, a confrontation with other values arises." - Chief Justice Warren Burger

/Mmmm...burger! *drools*
 
2007-03-21 01:07:29 PM
Personally, I'm afraid no matter what the outcome is. Both political parties have learned too well from this process, and the next 20-50 years will be filled with these kinds of shenanegans. I'm terrified that if the Republicans stay in power, they'll merely solidify their powerbase to the point that they're unchallengable, and if the Democrats gain power, they'll merely entrench themselves into the powerbase the Republicans have set up so thoroughly that they'll be unchallengable.
 
2007-03-21 01:07:37 PM
conservatives cannot distinguish between their political opponents and those who oppose our country.

When they are both working for the same goal, the weakening and eventual destruction of our country, what's the difference?

BTW, did anyhbody else notice that the CPUSA recently donated an assload of documents to a library? Supposedly, it includes information regarding their control during the Cold War by the Soviets. Now THAT will be interesting to explore...
 
2007-03-21 01:07:57 PM
Snarky McFarkerson

for good or for awesome
Truth is I don't want to read all the comments in this thread


Well your missing out on a good thread. Just because you may have supported Bush in the past you don't have to now. Say in all politicians are bad is a cop out. If not completely wrong.
Going after the ones that screw up this royally keeps them in line. I can understand getting tired of it all however. And if you never supported Bush I apologize.
 
2007-03-21 01:08:11 PM
we_hates

tecnoir: Has anyone figured out what the crime is yet?...anyone?...Bueller?... Bueller?


I'm not a lawyer, but I'd bet that extortion has a shot. Obstruction of justice is a possibility. I can't imagine that there's no law prohibiting the intimidation of prosecuting attorneys.
 
2007-03-21 01:08:23 PM
zabdorff: /No, I wasn't retarded in 2004--I just disliked Kerry more and wanted to see a more balanced Supreme court.

A Supreme Court where 7 of the 9 justices have been appointed by Republican presidents isn't conservative enough for you?
 
2007-03-21 01:08:41 PM
*vomit*
 
2007-03-21 01:08:53 PM
If they're not guilty, why should they care?
 
2007-03-21 01:08:58 PM
Maybe there is something there to investigate [some lawyers got fired, boo farking hoo]....don't give a shiat. Getting tired of my Congress attacking my Executive Branch & vice versa. There is alot of stuff going on over here, all you elected guys need to stop playing political games & stop playing with your dicks & get the fark back to work on the Nations business.

Swear, it's like a bunch of 8 yr olds playing dodge ball.

*new policy on voting, never vote for an incumbant...vote the bums out.
 
2007-03-21 01:09:16 PM
WWTFSMD ?
 
2007-03-21 01:09:29 PM
Name a law broken in the process

If Carol Lam was fired for following an investigation that might get too close to the administration, that's called "obstruction of justice".
 
2007-03-21 01:09:35 PM
IXI Jim IXI: Yeah. They haven't released his name yet though.

susiebright.blogs.com
 
2007-03-21 01:09:51 PM
cement_hands
you folks amaze me in your blind faith of your elite leadership and your biased MSM. Sad.

Holds up mirror.

Guess what? Not everyone who despises this evil/retard/clownshow of a presidency likes the democrats either. If you'd stop trying to turn it into a "my team-your team" thing, maybe we'd get somewhere.
 
2007-03-21 01:09:52 PM
You'd better be damn glad these Democrats fought WWII and the Cold War for you. :)

Ah, yes. Old Uncle Joe was really our friend, wasn't he? How about Kerry's signature on the "Dear Commandante" letters?

The only way your statement makes sense if if by "fought", you mean "appeased".
 
2007-03-21 01:09:52 PM
Sir Roderick Glossop: You seem to have a better grasp on the subtleties of the legal situation than I, so I have some meager measure of hope that this will play out as you predict.

LOL I lived through Nixon, Reagan and Clinton, so I understand some of the arguments going around. It's honestly a case of 'if there is nothing to hide, why hide it'? This is a simple thing. It's not even directed at Bush as much as it is at Gonzales. Gonzales very well may have pulled some shady shiat. At any rate, there is an obvious conflict because it's apparent that some of the attorney's were investigating him. You read the House Judiciary docs (they are very short letters) you can see that their concern was having Gonzales explain himself, as some of this pertains to him directly.

Bush is doing his 'unhappy face' arrogant President routine. That's his job. But not when it comes to covering for someone who *may* have been doing something illegal.

That's where the conflict comes from. Bush really should have negotiated with the Judiciary. He gave up one offer and refused anything else. That pissed them off.

Well and truly - he brought this shiat on himself.
 
2007-03-21 01:10:10 PM
Funny how the precidents in investigating the POTUS durring the Bill Clinton years is turning around to bite them on the ass.
www.bullnotbull.com
 
2007-03-21 01:10:12 PM
Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: If they're not guilty, why should they care?

So then why do you care about the NSA spying on you?
 
2007-03-21 01:11:10 PM
andrew131: The president doesn't need the authority of Congress to fire anyone.

Authority? Sure.

But even if the firings were legal, they still could constitute an obstruction of justice.

And then there's the whole lying to Congress thing, and the documented conspiracy to do so.

If no one else has said it, I'm gonna take credit for it:

"It's eight times worse that Watergate"! TM
 
2007-03-21 01:11:21 PM
All the stupid, incompetent, illegal, constitution-shredding bullshiat this administration has done, and THIS is what causes a firestorm? I don't get it. It's like when Al Capone finally went to prison... for tax evasion.
 
2007-03-21 01:11:26 PM
Gee, look at how "unconcerned" all the "conservatives" on this thread are about this "non story".

Priceless.
 
2007-03-21 01:11:29 PM
If they're not guilty, why should they care?

Because just because you didn't intentionally commit a crime doesn't mean you can't be convicted of perjury if your memory isn't perfect while testifying under oath.
 
2007-03-21 01:11:41 PM
I want these to be the new thing to say.

Oh, what's that? I made a C on my paper? SUBPOENOWNED!!1

Only I think it'll lead to gross misspellings.
 
2007-03-21 01:11:45 PM
TheMaskedUnit: And it's called testifying because the Romans would swear on their balls that they were telling the truth. Look it up.

The Latin word testis originally meant 'witness'
 
2007-03-21 01:12:00 PM
Congress is going through a whole lot of trouble to conclusively prove what everyone pretty much knows. While I understand the need to get the Executive to be forthright on matters such as this (so that the public knows), there is no way this will accomplish anything other than getting (more) political egg on Bush's face.

I am just wondering how the fark the Republicans are going to campaign in '08. They've alienated supporters of their "honor and dignity" platform, the religious right, and even the economic conservatives are pissed. About the only people left are the closet authoritarians, the ignorant, and the political cheerleaders.
 
2007-03-21 01:12:06 PM
Secret Master of All Flatulence: BTW, did anyhbody else notice that the CPUSA recently donated an assload of documents to a library? Supposedly, it includes information regarding their control during the Cold War by the Soviets

Actually, that would be interesting to investigate. I would imagine that CPUSA would have essentially consisted of more CIA and FBI informants than actual Communists, but who knows?
 
2007-03-21 01:12:14 PM
"Getting tired of my Congress attacking my Executive Branch "

Yeah, we should just let all the crooks do whatever they want. I mean, the whole "checks and balances " part of the government that the Founding Fathers set up is obviously retarded. We should just have a King.
 
2007-03-21 01:12:15 PM
toonz: I knew I could count on you Jim (no brisket this time, I was ready)

Hahahah...I'm a danger to myself and others ;)

Somacandra: /Still rolling. Takes a lot to stop 6.5 years of evil. :)

Just imagine my fiancee trying to figure out how to stop 34 years of evil before the wedding...
 
2007-03-21 01:12:17 PM
When they are both working for the same goal, the weakening and eventual destruction of our country, what's the difference?

You know that is a lie. If you don't, you are an idiot.

Those who cannot distinguish between their political opponents and our mortal enemies are vile and dangerous, people. If they had their way, they would outlaw every political belief but their own.

They are as close as you can get to an example of living fascism in America.
 
2007-03-21 01:12:29 PM
All you people crying and whining about how there are "bigger problems" do realize that none of this would be necessary if the Bush Administration didn't behave like a secret cabal of nefarious evildoers, right?
 
2007-03-21 01:12:31 PM
So then why do you care about the NSA spying on you?


Apples and oranges, their testifying under oath is not the same as American's giving up basic civil liberties.
 
2007-03-21 01:12:53 PM
Somacandra,

I can see that you are a true free thinker. You should head back to moveon.org to get some more propaganda. There is no point in debate with a coolaid drinker not a free thinker. You can't believe everything you hear see or read no matter what the source. The truth is always much closer to the middle.
 
2007-03-21 01:12:58 PM
Secret Master of All Flatulence: When they are both working for the same goal, the weakening and eventual destruction of our country, what's the difference?

Where you fail is that only in addressing your shortcomings and weaknesses can one become a better anything. Pretending weaknesses and shortcomings don't exist is what leads to institutional weakening and eventual destruction.
 
2007-03-21 01:13:11 PM
Next election peeps, vote American
 
2007-03-21 01:13:15 PM
This is a non-story.

Criminalization of illegal nepotism.

Nothing to see here.
 
2007-03-21 01:13:54 PM
elchip

TheMaskedUnit: And it's called testifying because the Romans would swear on their balls that they were telling the truth. Look it up.

I don't think so.


Had to see if anyone would bite.
 
2007-03-21 01:14:04 PM
I would imagine that CPUSA would have essentially consisted of more CIA and FBI informants than actual Communists, but who knows?

According to news reports, they admit that they were under Soviet control during the Cold War. It'll be nice to see who else they had ties to, and who they funnelled money and propagnda to.

/time to make the donuts
 
2007-03-21 01:14:26 PM
"Because just because you didn't intentionally commit a crime doesn't mean you can't be convicted of perjury if your memory isn't perfect while testifying under oath."

Bullshiat. If they're not guilty, they shouldn't care. They should testify, under oath. If they've been honest, no problem.
 
2007-03-21 01:14:43 PM
Don't blame me next election I am voting for Doug Stanhope!
 
2007-03-21 01:14:43 PM
DrForrester

Actually, I think it's great. We serve the law. Rule of law is sacred. If you can't bust him for what you know he's done, bust him for what you can prove. It would be hilarious if the president was bust for the shady business dealing of the Carlyle group through judicious use of the patriot act. That would have to be the epoch of the Ironic tag for all time.
 
2007-03-21 01:14:44 PM
TechieZero: Smitty. No subpoenas have been issued, just OKed to be issued, which is far from ownage.

In fact they may never be issued.


Bush doesn't appear to be negotiating on this.

Look, man. Today is a bargaining chip. He didn't take it. They are letting Bush know the whole house Judiciary Committee is standing behind this.

Actually this is a lot more disturbing. I thought he'd been served? If not - he could pull what Clinton and Nixon did - threaten to surround the White House with National Guard. Or in the case of Nixon, fire each and everyone who attempts to serve him.

That would be MOST uncool.
 
2007-03-21 01:16:10 PM
www.edventure.org

It's starting to look like the Bush Cabal is running for the hills.

Bush's speech yesterday smacked of desperation. Saying, "oh, you can come in and talk to us on an informal basis and we won't be under oath. How's that sound? Lets do that."

Congress says, "No, Mr. President, we don't think so. Instead of that, we'll just send your boys some subpoenas. How do ya like them apples? We're the ones telling you the way things are."


This is going to be an interesting next several weeks.
 
2007-03-21 01:16:14 PM
Don't get excited yet. If you read more... this is just "permission" to proceed... no one has gotten owned to the face yet
 
2007-03-21 01:16:31 PM
Dubya's_Coke_Dealer


If they're not guilty, why should they care?


Because, as we know, it's a total waste of tax payer's money to follow up on this stuff. We should get back to our war, and leave alone the petty stuff that takes our leaders away from their responsibilities.
 
2007-03-21 01:16:50 PM
2007-03-21 01:12:53 PM Feyrerm
The truth is always much closer to the middle.


Always?

Science tells us the world is a sphere, a small number of religious fanatics believe it is flat and four cornered just as the bible says. What does this mean? That the earth is actually a cube?
 
2007-03-21 01:16:59 PM
Upcomming headline:

dca.boozle.net
 
2007-03-21 01:17:27 PM
Secret Master of All Flatulence: The only way your statement makes sense if if by "fought", you mean "appeased".

Definition of "Appeasement": What President Reagan did by pulling out all U.S. service personnel from Lebanon after sustaining over 200 casualties in a single Beirut bombing by Islamic terrorists, not to mention selling arms to their benefactors, the radical Iranians, for years in the 1980's. Appeasement, ladies and gentlemen, appeasement.

/"Donnie, you're out of your element!"
 
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