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(Canada.com)   Alberta Hospital closed as "Superbug" breaks out. And they sort of forgot to clean their surgical tools for a few years. EVERYBODY PANIC   (canada.com ) divider line
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2007-03-21 02:36:38 PM  
Had a problem with my foot Monday, called and scheduled an appointment for Tuesday. Got it looked, and got some anti-inflation medication

anti-inflation medicine = intl-light.com
 
2007-03-21 02:37:59 PM  
Hot nurses?

The one in An American Werewolf in London.
 
2007-03-21 02:40:11 PM  
Haven't read all of TFT yet, but damn, people NEED to stop taking penicillin for just any old time they have a cough or something. Yeah, I RTFA and it talks about improper sterilization and such, but these superbugs wouldn't be a problem if the bacteria and viruses weren't getting so much exposure to drugs, and ergo getting a chance to evolve.

/Only takes antibiotics after partially dismembering himself
//True story
 
2007-03-21 02:41:45 PM  
YoggiSothoth Tell you what, go for a free x-ray (you do live in Canada, right?), and then get a dog an x-ray at the vet where you have to pay. See who gets their x-ray first.

A couple of months ago I was at the doctor's office (an appointment which came 2 days after booking, incidentally) due to a lot of residual pain in my shoulder after a snowboarding wipeout. I walked directly from the office and down one flight of stairs, into the diagnostic imaging lab. I waited about 20 minutes, had my X-ray, and walked back up the stairs to the doctor's office. I waited about 45min for him to see me again to go over the pics. I was out of there with a prescription for a strong anti-inflammatory 5 minutes later.
 
2007-03-21 02:43:44 PM  
I don't know if the Canadian system is better than the American or Cuban system.

What I do know is that American soldiers get government-run health care at V.A. hospitals like Walter Reed.

If that is how we treat our war heroes, why should I expect any better?
 
2007-03-21 02:45:22 PM  
"So Canada, how's that publicly funded health care system working out?"

Quite well, thank you. Ask us instead how the labour shortage is working out. Fewer workers means that more poorly-trained people with no respect for quality are being hired and retained.

/Could jump the line and pay $750 for an MRI or wait a little and get the same thing free
//Depending on how serious the condition is, some people can get free MRIs almost immediately
///Not crippled by debt due to inflated medical expenses
 
2007-03-21 02:45:37 PM  
Flaccidor

I declare you the winner.
 
2007-03-21 02:46:31 PM  
Huh. I was expecting a different hospital name. Funny.

My experience has been not so much time, but knowledge. My Canadian doctor had about 4 times the amount of information that my American doctor did. However, my Canadian doctor completely ignored/missed the *obvious* medical condition I had that my American doctor picked up on in about 30 min.

I'll take my chances with paying more if it means I'm getting what I'm paying for.
 
2007-03-21 02:47:48 PM  
They knew about antibiotic resistance in the 40s. Enjoy your anti-bacterial hand soap losers.
 
2007-03-21 02:48:15 PM  
Dammit. Information etc...
 
2007-03-21 02:49:06 PM  
FTFA

-- after a recent audit found bits of flesh and blood left on tools and inside scopes used to examine patients and take tissue samples.


Good god that's disgusting
 
2007-03-21 02:49:29 PM  
This happened in Vegreville, not exactly a major metropolitan center, I can assure you. Lots of nice Ukranian folks out there, they love their perogies and painted easter eggs.....sterilizing equipment, not so much.

This is not indicative of anything general about the state of Canadian health care whatsoever....carry on private vs socialized medicine flameing...
 
2007-03-21 02:51:43 PM  
"We believe the risk is very low," said Dr. Gerhard Benade, the medical health officer for the East Central Health Region.

Has an official in damage control mode ever given anything other than a "we think the risk is very low"-type response?
 
2007-03-21 02:54:06 PM  
2007-03-21 02:46:31 PM Aidan


Huh. I was expecting a different hospital name. Funny.

My experience has been not so much time, but knowledge. My Canadian doctor had about 4 times the amount of information that my American doctor did. However, my Canadian doctor completely ignored/missed the *obvious* medical condition I had that my American doctor picked up on in about 30 min.

I'll take my chances with paying more if it means I'm getting what I'm paying for.



That's an impressive generalization to make based on a single crappy doctor.
 
2007-03-21 02:54:26 PM  

So, americans, how's that private health care system working for you?


Actually pretty good. I needed good health care so I worked my ass off and got a good job that takes care of medical, dental, vision, accupunture, massage, chiropracic work - 30 visits a year for the massage/chiro/accu at 10 bucks a pop.

Plus there's free snapple.
 
2007-03-21 02:55:04 PM  
I just like to take antibiotics for recreational purposes!
 
2007-03-21 02:55:14 PM  
Can you imagine Govt controlled health care.

It would have all the efficiency of the DMV with the compassion of the IRS.
 
2007-03-21 02:57:14 PM  
2007-03-21 02:55:14 PM pounddawg

I was ill in Canada, and I got the best care for free, even though I am not even a citizen. I was quite impressed. The doctors were extremely nice and caring, and clearly loved their jobs. Compared to visiting the ER in Philly, Canada wins IMHO.....
 
2007-03-21 02:58:53 PM  
2007-03-21 02:54:06 PM Flaccidor

"My Experience" = Anecdotal

Surely that was obvious...
 
2007-03-21 02:59:00 PM  
Evil Twin Skippy: /Looks out window. Notices the giant blue skyscraper housing Blue Cross
//Taller than PECO's (the electric company)
///A little shorter than Bell Atlantic's (now Verizon)
////About to get dwarfed by Comcast's
//All of them are WAY taller than City Hall


You're in Philly, aren't you?

/waiting for the day when the PECO building says "All your base" on it
//as much as I'd like that meme to die, it can't until someone makes it scroll across the top of the building..
 
2007-03-21 03:00:10 PM  
maffick --- US govt run health care.

And yes our private system is very broken.
 
2007-03-21 03:00:15 PM  
Bonehead

That kind of prompt care can depend on the part of the country you're in. My sister had to make three separate ER visits last week (with moderate to severe abdominal pain) to get admitted. Finally early Friday morning they admitted her, that night she had the necessary surgery, and now she's recovering nicely. Plus the operation and hospital stay aren't going to break her financially, which is good, and she's got disability coverage for her recovery (6wks until she can work again).

If you can get past the disaster that is the emergency room, our system works pretty well. But we waited for 7 hours on the third visit to be seen by a doctor, by which time she was unable to walk or even sit up straight. I never want to have to watch someone I care about go through that again.

/still upset with the ER triage people
//happy sister's okay
 
2007-03-21 03:01:00 PM  
img140.imageshack.us

Superbug break out at hospital, eh?

/Aw jeez, here it comes.
//DNRTFA
 
2007-03-21 03:04:00 PM  
Public health care is fair and equal for all citizens. That is why the US of A will not approve of it. Only white people deserve fair and equal treatment there.


//Brown people use the 'Tussin!
 
2007-03-21 03:06:05 PM  
2007-03-21 02:55:14 PM pounddawg

Can you imagine Govt controlled health care.

It would have all the efficiency of the DMV with the compassion of the IRS.



And we have a winner! I was waiting for the inevitable reference to the DMV. Although I know it won't make any difference to your ignorance, the Canadian system is not a government-run system, it is a "single payer" system. Canadian doctors are not government employees (exceptions include military docs, etc). They are nearly all self-employed as professional corporations. They treat as required and simply send the invoice to the government instead of to the patient or the patient's insurance company. There are no government bean-counters or administrators present in Canadian hospitals, approving or denying treatments. Doctors have full authority to treat as necessary. The provincial government defines what is and is not covered by the system and provides funding. The federal government creates very high-level healthcare-related laws and provides funding.
 
2007-03-21 03:06:29 PM  
Hospital is no place for a sick person.
 
2007-03-21 03:06:52 PM  
Med student here, and I live in the states. (California) I have heard/experienced/seen more misdiagnosis and issues caused by HMO's, (whom I despise) than I would care to admit too. (I saw x rays of a surgery where a guy left his damn scissors floating around caught up in the gut sack) So now I do Holistic health as well as conventional. (preventative medice>conventional) It bugs me to no end seeing how the system gets abused by corporations, Doctors who don't continue their education and the like. Plenty of blame to go around.

/US doesn't even rank in the top 10 for health care.
//Yet it is the absolutely most expensive in the world.
///You don't get what you pay for.
 
2007-03-21 03:07:22 PM  
muninsfire
/You do NOT need antibiotics for a g-ddamn cold, nor for the 'flu--they will do NOTHING.

I've been told even worse than that, supposedly if you take them at the slightest sign of a cold/flu, your immune system is slower to respond in the future due to overreliance on antibiotics in the past; sort of an internal tolerance. No proof as to whether or not this is the case, but it does make some sense.
 
2007-03-21 03:07:25 PM  
Evil Twin Skippy: Dear Fellow Americans,

You have been taken for a ride by the insurance companies, and you've been farked so hard you are suffering from Stockholm syndome.

Stop it.


QFT
 
2007-03-21 03:09:23 PM  
The longest I've ever had to wait to see a doctor in Canada without a prior appointment was 2 hours in a small clinic on a busy day. I've had to go to the emergency room on several occassions and I've always received immediate treatment. I know people who have been diagnosed with cancer and been operated on within a couple of days of being diagnosed.

The 3 month waiting lists are for things like hip replacements and other non-emergency procedures. If you have the money and you want non-emergency procedures immediately, go south and get it done. I'd be broke if this were a privatized system.
 
2007-03-21 03:09:31 PM  
Mtop18: Public health care is fair and equal for all citizens.

Just like public schools.
 
2007-03-21 03:12:13 PM  
Mtop18: Public health care is fair and equal for all citizens. That is why the US of A will not approve of it. Only white people deserve fair and equal treatment there.

I don't understand why walking into practically any emergency room anywhere in the nation, with your 8000 kids in tow, getting treated, and not ever paying your bill, is unfair.

Sounds like some poor, poor, 'disadvantaged' people have themselves a great gig. Free health care, and better yet, you get to play the part of poor, poor, oppressed person.

It's not as if they ever had credit to lose to begin with.

RentWay, heres I a come!
 
2007-03-21 03:12:58 PM  
www.planet99.com
 
2007-03-21 03:13:22 PM  
1. Both Canada and the United States have equivalent health care coverage for the poor and elderly. Any debate on these points is based purely on ignorance.

2. The American health system is much more extensive, with diagnoses and treatments available much sooner or at all. You can wait three months or more for an MRI in Ontario or get one the same day as you are admitted in the United States. There are no Gamma-knife surgery sites in Canada. With many rare illnesses, you're SOL North of the border.

3. Health care is much more expensive in America overall. There are more treatments, better equipment, high salaried doctors and nurses, higher administrative costs (though complexity in Canada makes for a tough comparison), and the development of new treatments and drugs that the rest of the world enjoys for free.

4. The Cuban system is garbage. Their spending can buy little more than penicillin, band aids, and very poorly trained doctors who are little more than slaves. Even electricity and running water are spotty in the hospitals. No informed person would choose Cuban health care over any first world system.
 
2007-03-21 03:15:15 PM  
So, americans, how's that private health care system working for you?

Great - I've had 2 surgeries in the past 3 months, and all I've had to pay is a $250 fee from the hospital. Ok, well I've had to pay a $5 copay for each time I get my prescriptions. But I'll take that all day long. Consider that so far my medical care has run in excess of $200k, and I'm nowhere near bankruptcy. It's called having a great job with excellent benefits.
 
2007-03-21 03:15:52 PM  
fruitloop

so where's goldbug?

I don't know but Officer Flossie is looking for him!
 
2007-03-21 03:16:34 PM  
ChairmanKaga: As a conservative I have a special hatred in my heart for anything commie.

You mean like eavesdropping on innocent citizens and requiring permission to leave the country, and secret prisons, right?
 
2007-03-21 03:18:18 PM  
For the last time, dumbasses, Canadian health care is NOT run by the Government of the day. It is FUNDED by tax dollars.
This country (Canadaukistan) believes, on a DEEP level, that people deserve health care as a basic human right. A little different than leaving those less fortunate than yerself to worry about paying to stay healthy.

'Cause thats what it comes down to folks, denying your fellow citizens access to healthcare because they's poor or not as white as you.

//all other arguments just come down to the usual sad excuses......gov't can't run anything, ... etc. etc.
 
2007-03-21 03:24:37 PM  
2007-03-21 03:13:22 PM Pseudorious

2. The American health system is much more extensive, with diagnoses and treatments available much sooner or at all. You can wait three months or more for an MRI in Ontario or get one the same day as you are admitted in the United States. There are no Gamma-knife surgery sites in Canada. With many rare illnesses, you're SOL North of the border.

1. Rare for anything other than non-life threatening conditions. If you need it now, you will get it now. Is triage that difficult a concept to grasp?

2. False (pops) http://www.elekta.com/healthcare_international_north_america.php
 
2007-03-21 03:24:40 PM  
Flaccidor -- I wasn't talking about the Canadian system. I was speculating what a govt run health care system in the USA might be like.
 
2007-03-21 03:25:00 PM  
lohphat

You forgot firing crown attorneys for not be completly loyal to the current administration.

/by crown attorneys I mean Federal Prosecutors
//to used to Canadian system
///probably could fix it in the post, but you know...the whole laziness factor
 
2007-03-21 03:26:01 PM  
2007-03-21 03:24:40 PM pounddawg

Flaccidor -- I wasn't talking about the Canadian system. I was speculating what a govt run health care system in the USA might be like.


My mistake. I apologize...
 
2007-03-21 03:28:00 PM  
Flaccidor -- accepted
 
2007-03-21 03:28:08 PM  
sat1va: The longest I've ever had to wait to see a doctor in Canada without a prior appointment was 2 hours in a small clinic on a busy day. I've had to go to the emergency room on several occassions and I've always received immediate treatment. I know people who have been diagnosed with cancer and been operated on within a couple of days of being diagnosed.

That was the case with my mother when she was diagnosed with cancer. (My parents live within 100 km of Edmonton.) It was detected on Friday and on Tuesday she was in the operating room. Five years later, she is doing great.

I think that the Canada vs. U.S. flamewar stems a lot from people who have never had a bad experience with their own system but are quick to jump on reading about a problem with the other system. (Or hearing about one from a friend of a friend of a friend.) Both systems have flaws but both operate, one sometimes better than the other, other times vice-versa.

As others have indicated, the government does not operate the hospitals in Canada, they are merely billed. Here, the big players are Capital Health and Caritas Health Group. These are not government entities. In Ontario, it is a different company, in B.C., another. Because of this, you will always have discrepencies. Even in the same country you will have pissing matches, just like you could get screwed buying a computer at Best Buy, but have a great experience at Staples. Heck, you could even have a great experience at one Best Buy and a horrible one at a different Best Buy. The point is that incidents like this are not indicitive of a broad problem.
 
2007-03-21 03:30:36 PM  
This is just another case of the roommate putting the dishes in the dishwasher without rinsing them first. The tools were sterilized, they just had bits of flesh stuck to them.
 
2007-03-21 03:32:36 PM  
ChairmanKaga: As a conservative I have a special hatred in my heart for anything commie.

Like equality? Canadian universal health care is based upon the belief that all citizens are equally worthy of quality healthcare. I'll wait in line a few extra hours for that.
 
2007-03-21 03:33:38 PM  
I'm a bit distressed by the amount of people injecting facts and rational arguments into this thread. Please stop it.

Don't you know that the Canadian system has to suck, cuz it's Socialism, and Socialism is Bad.

Everyone knows that in Canada, regardless of your condition, there's a minimum 6 month wait to see a doctor, and that most people die before this occurs, keeping costs down.
 
2007-03-21 03:34:59 PM  
Flaccidor

Thanks for doing that, so I didn't have to. Bloody idealogues.
 
2007-03-21 03:35:19 PM  
This thread is so full of ignorance it's dripping stupid.

I have gotten an x-ray five minutes after talking with a doctor, 10 minutes after walking in the clinic door. In Canada. In Alberta.

I bet you could do the same in most parts of the United States. The quality isn't really different. The biggest difference is, the government pays for most of it. So those who couldn't afford basic health care can get it without charge.

/Found out I had indeed broken my collarbone. Too bad it happened two months before that.
//Doesn't like doctors
///Turned out fine!
 
2007-03-21 03:41:58 PM  
hockeyfarker


This thread is so full of ignorance it's dripping stupid.

I have gotten an x-ray five minutes after talking with a doctor, 10 minutes after walking in the clinic door. In Canada. In Alberta.

I bet you could do the same in most parts of the United States. The quality isn't really different. The biggest difference is, the government pays for most of it. So those who couldn't afford basic health care can get it without charge.

/Found out I had indeed broken my collarbone. Too bad it happened two months before that.


See? Canadian health care sucks! hockeyfarker had to wait two months to see a doctor!
 
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