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(RTLC)   Zach Snyder intentionally places homosexual subtext in "300." Then, when reviewers point it out, he whines that it's a homophobic neocon conspiracy   (right-thinking.com) divider line 52
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2007-03-21 03:42:26 AM  
Well, that scene was a near mirror of the same one in the comic...so if your catching teh ghey blame Frank Miller.

/Why can't people see a movie just for the sake of seeing it and not over-analyze it?
 
2007-03-21 03:44:12 AM  
"Zach gay Snyder intentionally places gay homosexual subtext gay in "300." Then, when reviewers gay point it out, he whines that gay it's a homophobic gay neocon conspiracy"

Well that's just gay
 
2007-03-21 03:47:11 AM  
Of all the reviews I read, none have mentioned that scene, rather they just complain about the sexiness of the actors and their skimpy leather outfits.
 
2007-03-21 03:50:25 AM  
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2007-03-21 04:06:33 AM  
submitter: Zach Snyder intentionally places homosexual subtext in "300." Then, when reviewers point it out, he whines that it's a homophobic neocon conspiracy(k)

I agree.
 
awr
2007-03-21 04:12:18 AM  
Smoke.
 
2007-03-21 04:15:33 AM  
Um... they're Greek, nuff said.
 
2007-03-21 04:24:55 AM  
Chapel: Um... they're Greek, nuff said.


i159.photobucket.com

Let us cavort like the Greeks of old. You know the ones I mean. ...
 
2007-03-21 04:40:45 AM  
The only thing this movie has done is show that no one knows anything about the Spartan state.
 
2007-03-21 04:46:51 AM  
Phil Moskowitz: The only thing this movie has done is show that no one knows anything about the Spartan state.

QFT. I'm going to go kill some Helots now. For freedom, though.

That being said, I didn't see 300, but I'd be among the first to see a well done, realistic movie on Thermopylae. I'm not a Frank Miller hater, but I think in many cases truth is better than fiction.
 
2007-03-21 04:52:04 AM  
Gay subtext ?! this is madness!
 
2007-03-21 04:57:03 AM  
Madness? THIS! IS! FARK!

And to the people complaining about historical accuracy you miss the point. It's more of a modern epic or legend. Meant to be an embellished fantasy tale and not the History Channel.
 
2007-03-21 05:00:09 AM  
This is a fantasy movie, not a history lesson.

Spartans were encouraged to take gay lovers so the homosexual subtext is not out of place.
 
2007-03-21 06:00:13 AM  
So, if a director places a homosexual subtext in a movie, it makes homophobic comments alright?
 
2007-03-21 06:04:09 AM  
He placed homosexual subtext in the film, true. But he isn't whining about them "pointing it out", he's suggesting they didn't like the movie BECAUSE it had homosexual subtext, where the underlying reason is that they are homophobic.
 
2007-03-21 06:05:52 AM  
Article reads somethig into Snyders' comments that were not there I think.

Snyder was asked if he was angry at the critics who pummeled his movie. He says no, may reviewers were neo-con and homophobic. Which many reviews were. He doesn't say there weren't camp images in the film he's just saying that the film is not as intellectual as some people have tried to make out (anyone who's seen it will know it's farily simple stuff).


Snyder's not denying the sexual aspects of the film (he's spoken about it in interviews before) but making too much of these elements is wrong. It's about a big fight, really and the homosexual imagery/agenda has been overplayed by the critics, to the point where reviews actually become homophobic.

At no point in the interview does he say there were not homosexual overtones in the movie. He's just sauying that's not what the film was supposed to be all about.

/ As a side point, the same thing happened with Top Gun, an old fashioned fighting film which - if you' want to look for it, has far more right-wing political imagery and overtones than anything else. Still whenever, anyone talks about that film now, all I hear is about how gay it was. Certainly some camp scenes there, but when it gets overplayed it actually comes across as homophobic.
 
2007-03-21 06:47:30 AM  
So, when they made the movie "Troy", they remove the mythology part because it would be silly, but when they make "300", they decide that the truth is not silly enough, and they add mutants and whatnot ? Am I the only one that think that both movies would have better if they stuck to the source ? (For "300", the source I'm talking about is the known facts, not the comic book)
 
2007-03-21 07:15:08 AM  
padraig

Get over it already! The movie WAS based on a comic book. If you want to see a historically accurate (or as close to "accurate" as history can be at this point) account of the battle of Thermopylae, watch the freakin knowledge network. If this flic was a cartoon (and it's close, with all the CGI) would so many "history buffs" be biatching so much about it?

/This... IS... BASEDONACOMICBOOKDAMMIT!!
 
2007-03-21 07:16:29 AM  
"That's quite an offer. I'd be crazy to refuse it."

Don't tell me that is from 300 the comic!?!?!

BRING BACK THE REALITY SHOWS! The only thing worse then them is our "culture" being taken over by bloody comic books FFS!

I guess society has gone from pitching to 12 year old girls down to 9 year old boys.
 
2007-03-21 07:31:18 AM  
Goldang left wing America hating homophobes. It's a movie you Castro loving degenerates.
 
2007-03-21 07:38:18 AM  
The only thing worse then them is our "culture" being taken over by bloody comic books FFS!

Damn the last 75 years!

How will we ever progress as a nation?
 
2007-03-21 08:05:17 AM  
Read Symposium by Plato
 
2007-03-21 08:12:10 AM  
I recall the last few weeks of various 300 threads on Fark as being riddled with homophobic remarks. It would be foolish to think some of that wouldn't carry over into the critic world.

When I saw it homosexuality never even entered my mind once, the person I attended with was female and did reference Liberace in relation to Xerxes though.

That was it.
 
2007-03-21 08:39:28 AM  
tdpatriots12
That being said, I didn't see 300, but I'd be among the first to see a well done, realistic movie on Thermopylae. I'm not a Frank Miller hater, but I think in many cases truth is better than fiction.

I saw 300 with my dad, who's a real history nut. Afterwards, he was kinda ticked that it was based off the graphic novel and not the actual story.
So we go home, and he shows me a documentary the history channel did in a series, "Decisive Battles", that re-creates the battle using computer software. It was neat as hell. After watching the documentary, I have to say I prefer the documentary.
 
2007-03-21 08:47:44 AM  
Check out my review of 300 at:

www.meatspin.com

NSFW!

/in case you're stupid enough to believe that
 
2007-03-21 09:07:19 AM  
I'm completely comfortable with my sexuality, but as I sat there watching the scene in question, the only thing I could think of was "It's not the lash they fear, but my HUGE EFFING C#CK UP THEIR @SS! I mean come on, he's 12 feet tall, standing right behind Leonidas with his hands on his shoulders asking him to kneel. It was pretty blatant; I laughed my @ss off.

/"Hey, you're just the right height!"
//Slashie slashie
 
2007-03-21 09:15:04 AM  
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2007-03-21 09:28:02 AM  
HAHA!

Neocon!

Neocon Neocon Neocon Neocon Neocon Neocon Neocon Neocon
Neocon Neocon Neocon Neocon Neocon Neocon

The stupid, meaningless word of the year.
 
rka
2007-03-21 09:29:40 AM  
What the hell is a neo-con review anyway? Does it support an expansionist US foreign policy? Is the reviewer a disenchanted liberal who has defected and decided to follow the precepts of the PNAC?

I hate it that people have decided neo-con is a catch-all term for the conservative bogeyman.
 
2007-03-21 09:30:58 AM  
The scenes of a bejeweled, long-fingernailed Xerxes offering King Leonidas peace in exchange for ''submission'' have a decidedly sexual undertone.

Yeah, and when some big burly dude offers 'submission' to the frail princess all the rapeophobes get all like antsy and stuff. Ain't I progressive! Stupid Rapeophobes!
 
2007-03-21 09:33:22 AM  
How can you make a movie about ancient Sparta and not include a homosexual subtext?
 
2007-03-21 09:36:27 AM  
rka


What the hell is a neo-con review anyway? Does it support an expansionist US foreign policy? Is the reviewer a disenchanted liberal who has defected and decided to follow the precepts of the PNAC?

I hate it that people have decided neo-con is a catch-all term for the conservative bogeyman.


Especially considering that with the obvious exception of Michael Medved, most film critics appear to be liberal. "Neocon" has become to the left what "communist" used to be, and still is although to a much lesser extent, for the right. A meaningless buzzword to toss out at somebody who disagrees with your politics.
 
2007-03-21 09:47:52 AM  
So just to bring up a comparison with a similar movie that tons of people like, Fight club also had a huge homosexual undertone, not to mention the book it was based off of (the writer of which is gay). It funded by fox so who knows how that one got by. I think way too many people didn't understand that this was about a comic book and not a historical event. For what it was based off of it did damned well. People just need to reasearch more about stuff before they biatch about it.
 
2007-03-21 09:57:39 AM  
When I read the Director's comments initially (not in the linked article) I thought "Well, he made a very successful film, but he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about politically". Nothing like tossing words out there in an attempt to sound informed when you don't have the slightest clue what they actually mean.
 
2007-03-21 10:23:16 AM  
teh ghey?
 
2007-03-21 10:23:40 AM  
padraig and the rest of the "but... but... 300 is not historically accurate!"

www.sikyon.com

Neither is the scene depicted on this nice Laconian vase. A nude warrior, winged creature, etc. ZOMG!!!

300 is entertainment. The kind of epic entertainment that is SUPPOSED to be larger than life, inspirational, etc.

And if you think Troy was better because it dealt with "the facts," think again. Do you think EVERY conversation that the people had is real life dealt with cheesy shiat like, "The battle will be remembered for all time," "History is yours -- take it," every 5 goddamn minutes!

PFFT.

/And to all of the 300 fans (including myself, does that vase not look JUST like a scene from the flick?
//To everyone else, get over yourselves.
 
2007-03-21 10:34:12 AM  
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2007-03-21 11:20:09 AM  
I thought Xerxes was a bit Goa'uld-ish, actually.

/geek
 
2007-03-21 11:23:53 AM  
Kome: So we go home, and he shows me a documentary the history channel did in a series, "Decisive Battles", that re-creates the battle using computer software. It was neat as hell. After watching the documentary, I have to say I prefer the documentary.

This documentary? That's Rome: Total War with set of custom maps/skins.
 
2007-03-21 01:18:17 PM  
There is significant debate as to the nature of the homosexual relationships among Spartan men. For instance the Spartans where not one of the cultures that wanted soldiers of the same age to take each other as lovers and have them fight side by side so they would fight better. Every spartan male was expected to already be the best soldier ever and to fight his best all day. What they did encourage was institutionalized pederasty, where young men sought out older men to take as lovers so that they might learn to be the best men they could be.

Many sources indicate that this relationship was supposed to be chaste and that taking carnal pleasure in such a situation was a punishable offense.

That said 300 was an awesomely entertaining movie. I loved it.
 
2007-03-21 01:28:55 PM  
entropic_existence, that's one of the best and most truthful posts I've seen in a 300 thread.

Good stuff fella.
 
2007-03-21 01:43:02 PM  
bean_bag

Don't tell me that is from 300 the comic!?!?!

Uhm... You should probably know that 300 the movie was based off 300 the graphic novel. As was Sin City. By the same writer. Who also wanted movies made about his comics to match content as closely as possible.

You also should probably know that comics have become much less for kids. A trend that started to go into the mainstream in the early 90's. Welcome to the 21st century.

/Yeah, yeah... I know. Get the hell off you lawn.
 
2007-03-21 02:56:42 PM  
I'm betting Xerxes wasn't 8 feet tall either...

/whatever
//madness and stuff
 
2007-03-21 03:07:38 PM  
i wonder if ancient audiences were pissed at homer for making the entirely factual battles of the trojan war into fictionalized and fantastical legends rather than history lessons.

/no account of the "trojan war" is factual.
//it's not as if they've been taking events based on fact and making them into fiction - and dare i say myth - for quite some time now, anyway.
 
2007-03-21 03:33:51 PM  
My ice cream contains rum and raisins! It's clearly a plot by the liberal ice cream establishment!
 
2007-03-21 04:01:25 PM  
What Snyder said is likely fair in some cases. There were a few movie reviews that said Happy Feet was evil librul propaganda.

// farking ... Happy Feet
// Come on
 
2007-03-21 04:46:24 PM  
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2007-03-21 05:28:39 PM  
I've said it before and I'll say it again now that I've actually seen the film and had it confirmed to me:
This movie is only "gay" in the sense that ten frames of the film it is printed on would be capable of physically overpowering and raping three grown men.
And you know what? They'd like it. That's how awesome this movie is.
/I've now replaced "x"="Your mom x!" with "x"="TONIGHT x DINE(S) IN HELL!!!" in all social interactions.
 
2007-03-21 08:19:16 PM  
Considering the movie was mostly for women, and I thought the movie was good. The directing was great, I haven't seen directing like that in years. I didn't think the movie was gay but from what I heard it was mostly for women that like to see guys that actually workout. Though I kept finding it annoying they always did a closeup on spartans chest and legs and everything else, I thought the movie was great.
 
2007-03-21 08:35:05 PM  
Troy was no more historically accurate than 300 was. At least 300 used a few real, verifiable people's names. All we know about the Trojan War is that Homer wrote an epic and there appears to be a city-state on the Turkish peninsula that died off around when we suspect the Trojan War occurred.

And with 300, the historical accounts we have of Thermopylae aren't exactly by people known for their commitment to accuracy. Herodotus liked to exaggerate, the Spartans didn't leave much of anything of their own for us to read or look at, and the Persians would have covered up any information outside of maybe bureaucratic lists to protect their Despot's image. Given all that, they might as well have friggin' war rhinos and mutants with sawblades for hands. It ain't getting a whole lot more truthy.

/The history channel account of Thermopylae is funny. The show uses not just the Rome:Total War engine, but the friggin soundtrack too, and not just in the CGI bits.
 
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