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(BBC)   Decision to rename tourist attraction "Devil's Arse" leads to sharp increase in number of visitors.   (news.bbc.co.uk) divider line 26
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2001-07-06 01:29:09 PM
I wonder if it is just so people can claim they've "explored the Devil's Arse." ... I don't really care to hear how it got the name originally.
 
2001-07-06 01:30:57 PM
"Blimey, mate, how'd you get so dirty?"

"Oh, I got lost up in the Devil's Arse for a couple of hours."

"Black in there, yah?"

"s'Right, and it's got sh*t all over in there!"

"Crikey!"
 
Rei
2001-07-06 01:31:25 PM
Oh, doctor, I was just in the most wonderful place! With fire, and brimstone, and little guys in red pajamas..."

-= rei =-
 
2001-07-06 01:35:08 PM
Hell can't be any worse, 'cause I've seen the Devil's Arse...
 
2001-07-06 01:37:34 PM
so if we called this place farkarse.com, maybe there would be that many more hits?


thewiredpress_arse.com
 
2001-07-06 01:43:48 PM
I just want my picture taken by the sign for the place. Proof that I've visited the Devil's Arse. They need T-shirts too. Maybe have them read 'I survived the Devil's Arse' or 'Have you seen the Devil's Arse?' I hope they hold events there. I'd love to meet the couple who got married inside the Devil'a Arse.
 
2001-07-06 01:46:03 PM
Esoteric - Nice to see you have a good stereotype of Brits with their 'Crikey' and 'Blimey'. Hey, you come from Iowa. 'Hyuk, we makes cornnnnn in this centre state!'
 
2001-07-06 01:59:17 PM
NBC, CNBC, MSNBC, ARSENBC
Hmmmm I can see it now :)
 
2001-07-06 02:01:25 PM
Uh oh! I smell a name-infringement lawsuit coming from Hillary.
 
2001-07-06 02:01:44 PM
Oops, forgot FARKNBC
 
2001-07-06 02:09:43 PM
The equivalent here in the US is Lehman Caves in Nevada, as seen here. (Photo from my camping trip in Nevada/Southern Utah a few days ago)

-he who stacks pork
 
2001-07-06 02:35:15 PM
That's funny. My raft capsized right in the middle of 'Satan's Cesspool' on the South Park of the American River. It's much more fun going through the rapids without a boat!
 
2001-07-06 02:39:10 PM
Xander: Mind your grammar. That should be 'Hyuk, we makes cornnnnn in this HERE centre state!' Tsk. ;-) Besides, cornfields are grand; I'm not crazy about the stockyards which smell like the Devil's Arse.
 
2001-07-06 03:14:21 PM
Xander:

I frequently expostulate "Cor blimey, guv", not to mention "strike a light!" and "I say, old chap". I always felt one of the joys of being English was having one of the most ridiculous stereotypes to live up to.
 
Rei
2001-07-06 03:52:21 PM
Xander:
Iowa isn't what its stereotyped up to be. Seriously. I have a TS friend who, when she moved here, asked one of her friends "Well, since I'm moving to Iowa, I'm curious... to they shoot us openly in the streets, or do they drag us into an alley first?" (her friend just laughed). I swear, Cedar Rapids is like San Francisco on the plains ;) Elaine and I have only gotten one comment - and that was by a couple of lesbians who thought we made such a cute couple ;)

Iowa's a really diverse state. It's still got your ultra-conservative hicks. But its also got some really forward culture. That's why, at this last election, it went for Gore, but only by 4,000 votes. Its a neat place, and your vote actually matters here (unlike in Indiana, where there was no question which way the state was going to go).

-= rei =-
 
2001-07-06 04:18:04 PM
Xander and everyone else: just to clarify... meant no offense... would have used bad stereotypes no matter where this happened...
 
2001-07-06 04:24:25 PM
Hey! Stereotypes are good clean fun AND an effective barrier to a broader understanding of the world and its people! ;-)
 
2001-07-06 06:38:42 PM
Rei - does "TS" mean TransSexual? If that is so, then "she" isn't really a "she", correct? Sheman? Hewoman? It? Freak?

-he who stacks pork
 
Rei
2001-07-06 07:14:43 PM
Leopold Porkstacker:

Oy, this is going to be a long post. Better start at the beginning.

TS is short for transsexual. There are two types of transsexuals - FTM's (Female To Male), and MTF's (Male To Female). FTM's are born anatomicly female, but have always felt male; they are referred to as men. MTF's are born anatomicly male, but have always felt female; they are referred to as women. Transsexualism is not related to homosexuality, but is a separate entity of itself, with transsexuals having their own, unrelated sexuality (Rachael, who I was referencing here, is a lesbian).

The roots of transsexualism are still an issue for clinical debate, but most evidence points to prenatal roots (not nessisarily genetic). For example, women on DES, a drug that caused numerous birth defects - especially sexual deformities - also tended to increase the number of transsexuals by a good bit. Additionally, brains of transsexuals have been found to be strikingly different than those of their anatomical gender - for example, the part of the brain which controls thermal regulation is three times larger in women than men; studies on MTF's show female proportions. The most widely accepted cause, currently, is that its part of the body's internalized "defect correction mechanism". This is exemplified in the fact that most complex animals have an inherent knowledge of "what they should look like". Things that are out of the ordinary to them, there is an instinct to try and change, such as an out-of-place feather on a bird, or a bump in the skin on a human. This mechanism is believed to be established before birth, based on prenatal hormone levels. As such, it is quite similar to forms of hermaphroditism (which also strongly correlate to transsexualism).

Humans, compared to most animals, have a high level of sexual dimorphism. However, even as such, fetuses are near identical until the body receives MIH (Mullarian Inhibitor Factor) or does not. MIH causes differentiation into being a male, and starts a hormonal chain reaction (in theory, of course... for example, AIS). However, the timing of MIH is very critical, as the brain (as well as all other organs) are developing at their own rate at the same time. Regardless, in "normal" differentiation, parts start to become distinct - labia minora=scrotum, clitoris=penis, etc. In fact, the medical definitions of what is male and what is female soley rely on the measurement of 2" - the cutoff point between micropenis and macroclitoris (in such cases, the urethral opening is often also at an in-between state, located partway down or at the base).

Then, we encounter the issue of society. Does society play into gender? Well, you wouldn't think that it would, but it does. Humans are set in their minds as to "how things are", so when things change, people's minds tend not to. Is a woman who was mangled in a car accident, or had a lot removed because of severe cancer, still a woman? Well, anatomicly, she's really neuter. But, of course we still would *treat* her liek a woman - in our minds, she would be in every way just as much of a woman as she was before. Whether we were talking heads - or even just text on a screen - doesn't change the societal view of gender.

So, in short, a binary system of gender, while good at modelling the general case, isn't always completely applicable. Like all things in this world, there are few to no real binary systems. Gender is a composition of sliding scales on many different aspects - all of the various anatomical aspects, chromosomal and genetic aspects, social aspects, mental aspects, secondary sex characteristics, etc. Is Rachael a "she"? Well, being a pre-op, but on hormones for over a year, her categories fit like:

Male: Female:
Anatomical: 85% 15%
Genetic: 100% 0% (probably)
Social: 5% 95%
Mental: 5% 95%
Secondary: 15% 85%

So, really, the answer comes out to... "somewhere in between". So, does that mean the term "she" shouldn't be used?

Of course not.

I have a friend named "John Henry Horton". He hates that name. He goes by "Elim". He got that name from Star Trek, it was a Cardascian(sp?) name. Is that a silly notion? Of course it is. Do we even hesitate to call him Elim? Of course not. Addressing someone the way they would prefer is a sign of respect, a sign of friendship. It takes no effort on your part. All our linguistic constructs serve is communication - and the communicate emotions as well as ideas.

Oy, you should have seen my birthday party last friday. It was all T-girls and les/bi girls, except for two straight guys ;) I felt bad for them ;) Luckily, they formed their own clique, and were off in their own little world, talking about calculators and all sorts of geeky stuff.... but, anyways, off topic! :)

Again, sorry for the long response, but I felt I needed a little background for that point. :)

-= rei =-
 
2001-07-06 07:52:53 PM
Rei: Ummmm, ok
 
2001-07-06 08:01:07 PM
Thanks for the education Rei. A very erudite explanation of the difficulties of functioning in our very authoritarian society.
 
2001-07-06 09:16:48 PM
Rei could have summarized that whole thing into 4 words: "Aint dis, aint dat."
 
Rei
2001-07-06 09:24:19 PM
Myfeminineside:
thank you :)

IG-88:
laf ;)
but would that have been as fun or educational? ;)

-= rei =-
 
2001-07-07 12:57:47 AM
Rei, per chance, would you have some pictures from your party? :)
 
2001-07-07 04:29:12 AM
Wow, that was the most I've ever learned about Transexuals on a thread about the Devil's Arse.
 
2001-07-07 09:38:41 AM
Hey, UKPhil, you forgot to mention that you live in a city of roundabouts and concrete cows!
 
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