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2002-08-11 10:06:07 AM
I hope he died a quick death. What a dedicated professional.
 
2002-08-11 10:20:33 AM
Incredible photographs. Slayer's right, thius guy was the definition of photojournalism!
 
2002-08-11 10:25:25 AM
Wow. Really amazing. Every single time I see photos of that nightmare, it's just like it happened yesterday. I guess I'd have to say that was the most monumentally horrible day in my life.

Hats off to all the photographers who braved that.
 
2002-08-11 10:54:17 AM
Isn't it also amazing that his cameras and equipment were found, basically intact. With everything that happened that day, I find that incredible.
 
2002-08-11 11:59:09 AM
Powerful stuff. Amazing photos. This guy was a true pro.
 
2002-08-11 12:05:13 PM
Wow. Just wow.
 
2002-08-11 12:17:00 PM
That's really quite powerful. Incredible.
 
2002-08-11 01:07:36 PM
Those are some powerful photographs. And I know I wouldn't have had the balls/good sense to keep getting closer after the first tower fell...
 
2002-08-11 03:12:32 PM
Intense.
 
2002-08-11 04:26:06 PM
Thank you for that link.

And they say men never cry.
 
2002-08-11 04:36:31 PM
amazing
 
2002-08-11 06:57:36 PM
I remember stumbling upon this site a few months ago, really surprised me.
 
2002-08-12 05:25:01 AM
Is it just me or did the early photographs look far away. They guy ran towards a burning/falling down giant skyscrapers. I guess its his job, but running the other way with the mob would have landed his pictures less acclaim. And he would have been there to see it. Okay, now after pissing off a lot of people, ill dodge the rest of this thread.
 
2002-08-12 05:29:21 AM
I guess whoever designed this site has never heard of thumbnails.
 
2002-08-12 05:37:34 AM
Pictures like this still give me chills up my spine when i see them
 
2002-08-12 05:39:20 AM


Sorry for the big pic but i just happened to notice that i think at least 4 of the guys in this pic are arabic. Just a nice touch that America has over the ignorant terrorist scum
 
2002-08-12 05:39:25 AM
I guess its his job, but running the other way with the mob would have landed his pictures less acclaim
Thats the point, this guy wasen't a pansy-ass like the rest of them, he was determined to really capture the action. Its his job, he died in the line of fire. No different to war reporters. Amazing fellow
 
2002-08-12 05:39:46 AM
Professional photographers are truly men and women in a class of their own. They go to the fronts of wars. Into the deepest, darkest jungles. Spend days, even weeks or months, camped out in the most uninhabited places on Earth, just for that perfect millisecond in which they can open their lens. They place the love of their job above the love of their life. While yes, you could make the claim that they're just dumbasses for doing so, or an even better claim in cases such as this one that they should drop the damn camera and pitch in, it is because of these people that the world knows what the front lines of WWI and II were like. That we see how brutal the Vietnam War was, in either of the two very famous pictures from it (the one of the man about to be executed, and the one of the naked 9-year-old running from napalm), among of course many others. That we know JFK's expression immediately after he was shot. That we can relive in our hearts, minds, and souls, these moments in our history. Even though Bill Biggart lost his life for his art, I get the feeling that he would not be entirely disappointed with the manner of his death.
 
2002-08-12 05:42:08 AM
Those really are some good pictures....

Glad his buddy took the time to publish them....


RIP
 
2002-08-12 05:47:51 AM
I live on the other side of the world and I still get emotional when I see those pictures. I was working in the newsroom of the local paper when it happened. Saw some pretty awful pics coming in over the wire.

One was a close up of a man who had just jumped out of a window above the impact zone. He was falling head-first with his arms at his sides. Strangely calm-looking.

After four straight shifts following the attack I sat at home and cried all day. Still affects me really badly.

Teriffic photos.

Spoczywaj z Bogiem.
 
2002-08-12 05:52:58 AM
Veritas: I know it's been said before but everyone here in Australia was affected deeply. And I know it sounds lame but on the morning of sep 12 when most ppl found out about it (time differences), people in Sydney looked around nervously whenever a plane came low to land
 
2002-08-12 05:55:49 AM
http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0110/main01.htm

the first series.
 
2002-08-12 05:56:25 AM
Was I the only one who kept seeing the people in the pictures, and saying, "Get out!" over and over in my head?
 
2002-08-12 06:03:48 AM
It's one of those - "Why was this posted on Fark" stories. It's WAY above the heads of many people here (such as WastedYouth and Tatarize)

Very moving images....
 
2002-08-12 06:04:20 AM
R.I.P.
 
2002-08-12 06:10:22 AM
I stayed in the Hilton across from the WTC on my last trip to NY. I never found out what happened to it last year. Now I know. damn.
 
2002-08-12 06:16:04 AM
I normally try and stay indifferent too this whole incident but that farking photo with the man falling head first out of the tower freaks the shiat out of me
 
2002-08-12 06:18:07 AM
Very touching, very scary.

And also a good testamonial to Canon cameras if they can go through that kind of treatment and keep their contents intact.
 
2002-08-12 06:19:16 AM
Just looking at that picture Czar posted...


I would not want to be there under normal circumstances, much less then.
 
2002-08-12 06:25:24 AM
I imagine theres even more pictures out there we havent seen of the WTC...this man loved his work and it shows
 
2002-08-12 06:25:50 AM
Wyldfire:
"This isn't a flame, just clarification."

I'm offically repeating the sentiment stated here and making it a flame. The man died because he was trying to share the most tragic moment in modern times with the world. Anyone else think that is honorable? Not as much as the firefighters who died trying to save lives, maybe; but still something to be looked up to. I mean we all die someday; some of us die from living to long because we are lucky, but some die cowards because they ran away from living.

Rest In Peace.
 
2002-08-12 06:27:03 AM
How did he do it? How do you forsake everything you hold dear in the world for the sake of the story? You have to have the guts and nuts to do something like that.
I hope he died quickly and somehow knows that his work is a living testament to history.
 
2002-08-12 06:28:07 AM
I can't spot four arabic guys in that picture.
 
2002-08-12 06:28:45 AM
One looks faintly armenian though, and a couple are definitely hispanic.
 
2002-08-12 06:30:32 AM
I'm reminded of this one article I read, along time ago, probably a few days after 9/11. It was with, I think, the fire chief for FDNY, or someone who called the shots.

A journalist asked 'Sir, why is it that so many firemen were lost in the World Trade Center towers, when otherwise they make it out of buildings alive?'

and the chief replied with 'Well, Firemen rush into buildings. They don't rush out.'

I am paraphrasing, and if anyone knows the exact quote, much obliged if you can correct me, because I remember, reading that at the time, with the correct phrasing, I just short of broke into tears.
 
2002-08-12 06:33:50 AM
Kenny? Did i miss something, waht did Tribs say that you took offence to

Nickkoto: I wonder what he was doing there, i'd get back inside quick tho. I wonder what happened to him
 
2002-08-12 06:33:51 AM
Also, does anyone know where the location of a picture, taken on 9/11 during the towers crashing down, is located on the net? To be specific, a man is running down a completely barren street, and a tower of dust is chasing him, probably 20 feet behind. I have that image burned forever in my head, and it is without a doubt the most amazing 9/11 picture I have ever seen, but I lost it a while back in a format... If you can track it down and post it, then a thanks to you.
 
2002-08-12 06:36:16 AM
Being in the city on 9-11 was awful. A few weeks ago, going to work, the temperature, the breeze and the perfectly clear blue sky was exactly the same as it was that morning.
That night, I asked my girlfriend if the day felt like anything to her. She said, "It felt like 9-11."
It gave me chills.
Two days before 9-11, I was riding my bike on the path to Jones Beach with one of my friends. It was late in the day, and you could see the Towers in the distance. I said to my frined "How cool is that, that you can see the twin towers from here?" Little did I know what would happen two days later.
On 9-11, I walked to work from Penn Station like I always to, up through Time Square and Rockefeller Center. As soon as I got to work, one of my co-workers runs up to me and says a plane crashed into the twin towers. I thought it was a little piper cub or something. A few co-workers were crowded around a little b&w tv set in a cubicle. I called my dad to tell him to put the tv on. I walked back over to the tv and as soon as I could see it, I saw the second explosion (from the camera angle, I didn't see the plane)Immediately I said "I am getting out of here right now". People looked at me like I was crazy. "We are under attack, and I am getting out of the city before I can't get out."
I called my girlfriend who also works in midtown and told her to get the hell out of the city immediately. She didn't know what was going on. I said I was heading straight to Penn Station. I packed up my laptop and left.
I walked out on to 5th avenue, and could see the towers on fire. I ran down to the subway, and at Penn Station I just made a train heading to my town. It was one of the last trains that left the city before everything was shut down.
The train ride home felt like the end of the world. False reports were coming in from everywhere. Aside from the towers, the pentagon, and the Pennsylvania crash, they said the state dept. had been bombed, the white house was on fire, the capital building was on fire, and then they said there was a huge fire on the mall in D.C..
There was only a few people on the train, as most people didn't think, or know to rush out of the city right away. Those people would be involved in an incredible mass exodus. (My girlfriend had to walk across the 59th street bridge to Queens.)
There are a few times on the train ride that you can see the towers. I sat on the train listening to the radio, others were trying to call people on their cell phones. I kept giving everyone updates. I heard a reporter scream and say that the first tower collapsed. The next time I could see them, there was only one tower.
I still get chills when I think about. Those days after 9-11 were some of the saddest scariest days ever. It must have been like how my mom felt during the days of constant air raid drills and the threat of Atomic bomb attacks. The next day I sat on an empty beach with my girlfriend. The sky was just as clear as the day before, when I walked to work relatively care-free. But the world was completely different now, and I really thought that we may not be alive much longer.
Picture like thismake me relive things, I really don't want to. But I suppose I'll spend the rest of my live with it, and I really can't, or shouldn't try to avoid it.
 
2002-08-12 06:39:13 AM
I dunno if it's just me but the it's the pictures of the people that make me feel the most hollow.
The buildings can come and go as far I am concerned, but when you see people covered in dust and debris trying to go to the aid of others it goes a bit to restore faith in humankind that, by the attacks, was taken away.

Also this photographer may well not have done what "normal" people would have had expected, but he has shown a lot of people at their best and that will be appreciated by the families of those that died.
 
2002-08-12 06:44:06 AM
fark fark fark i hate remembering this shiat fcuk now im crying .
 
2002-08-12 06:51:19 AM
Anyone who's done much photography knows that being in the "right place in the right time" is what it's all about. And when you're in that situation, which in this case is a once in a lifetime event (hopefully), you're totally comsumed with trying to capture it.

I wouldn't necessarily call it bravery, it's more a case of being oblivious to the danger around you. The people who went inside those buildings trying to save people were the truly brave ones.

This poor guy wanted to see his pics processsed, he wasn't expecting to die. I'm not saying he wasn't brave. He was. Just not as brave as some of the people around him. He was there to capture the images, not to help anyone. I'm not trying to belittle what he did, if I would have been in his situation, the same thing probably would have happened to me. I would have the balls to take the pics, but there's no way I would have gone in those buildings.
 
2002-08-12 06:51:24 AM

holy fu*king SH*T!!
 
2002-08-12 06:51:54 AM
nicely said bongo. I'm just not big on starting shiat over something so tragic, I just hate to see people give misinformed or misguided synopses of situations.

I've lost a couple of friends firefighting, and almost lost my father when an imcompetent I.C. (Instant Commander for those of you that don't know what I.C. means) failed to inform him and his partner inside a two story house that the fire had burned through behind them. The only thing that saved them was the fire burning through the hose. My dad got away with second degree burns, his friend with a couple of second-degrees, and a major third degree on his left arm.
 
2002-08-12 06:53:31 AM
hey does anyone know what the plan is for this coming 9/11?
is everyone off of work?
i work at home but if i had a boss who wanted me to come to work that day, i think i'd quit
 
2002-08-12 06:53:37 AM
When I see photos of people injured it always suprises me. The scale of the thing meant that the individuals and their deaths become lost in the scheme of things. It's mainly the huge physical destruction

Suburban....: It always surprises me how blue the sky is in pictures. Literally cloudless with thick plumes of black smoke, really freaky
 
2002-08-12 06:53:40 AM
You know, people say that these photojournalists go and risk their lives for the 'perfect pictures' because they're going for the glory of it, the recognition of getting the picture that was better than all the others there, beating out the other people taking pictures. I find though, that in the "average person's" memory, the name of the photographer of many of the famous pictures of our time is lacking. I mean, how many of us can name, off the tops of our heads, the photographer of the flag raising scene at Ground Zero, or who took the only video of the first plane hitting the tower, or any number of famous and well known pictures, ones that have worked their way into our cultural identities. These people don't do it for fame or glory from the public, they do their jobs to just maybe capture a moment in time that will happen to touch us all, and alone can just express to us the true emotion of the incident. These people go out and do their jobs, and they die for it not that rarely in this world, and we rarely remember their names, only their work. They're heroes in their own right, and deserve our respect, and rememberance. This is one name I'll be sure to keep in memory.
 
2002-08-12 06:56:26 AM
Another interesting insight I had last year shortly after 9-11.

People speculated reasons they attacked that specific day. My idea is that, 911 is the nationwide call for help. Could it not have been mocking that? Or could it have been to signify that we needed help in the time coming?

Sorry, just thoughts going through my mind.
 
2002-08-12 07:00:12 AM
hey does anyone know what the plan is for this coming 9/11?

I'm not gunna be flying.
 
2002-08-12 07:02:32 AM
Wyldfire
Another interesting insight I had last year shortly after 9-11.

Actually, the first thing I thought of was the S11 anti-globalisation protests. Figured it was probably an anti-capitalism connection.

Of course, there are a million theories in circulation. I doubt we'll ever really know why they chose that date.
 
2002-08-12 07:08:39 AM
I looked through those pictures and remembered everything that went on that day for me, and then I thought of something different.

Those people, the firefighters, the police, the businessmen, the civilians, the casulaties, the heroes; Those people all have stern, focused looks on their faces. They didn't have the "out to lunch" gape of panic-stricken victims, but the stare of duty. Doubtless, panic struck hard and deep all over the city that day, but all the people in the photos look like they have balls lined with steel.

Think of how many of them were just normal people a few hours before. They could've been jolly Accounts Receivable workers, dickhead managers, communists, or even jobless on their way to an interview. It just goes to show that heroes aren't born, they're made.
 
2002-08-12 07:09:52 AM
I'm currently reading "Inside 9/11 : What Really Happened" and it is truly an awesome account of that day. It's told in time frames (i.e. North Tower, 56th Floor, 8:45AM) and it really puts a human face to the whole damn mess. Highly reccomended reading for the 1-year anniversary.
 
2002-08-12 07:17:08 AM
I remember that day perfectly...I'm sure we all do.

I woke up just in time to see the second plane crash into the wtc...I always slept with my tv on...and I thought I was just having a dream or something...so I fell back asleep and my alarm went off and on the radio they were talking about a SECOND airplane crashing into the WTC. I sat up, looked at the TV, and sure as hell there the shiat was.

I was farking freaked out. I didn't know what I'd missed, who was doing what, anything. I jumped outta bed, woke up my roommates, and called them to my room to make sure I wasn't seeing things. I made oh...about 50 calls on my cell to my family to make sure everyone knew/was alright.

Then at work...it was dead (I worked at Applebee's at the time). If anyone came in, they would hover around the three tv stations we had broadcasting it.

It was ...horrific, to see what was occuring, and the replays. I can only feel pity for those who had family die in the WTC attack. It was wrong, but it was "justified" in our new enemy's eyes.

Being a pacifist, I don't believe violence solves anything. But apparently there are too many in this world that believe it does. And for those who do, I pity them. All I can say is that I hope these attacks are done, those who perpetrated the crime are caught, and that MAYBE...SOME farkING DAY, we can live in a world where violence isn't necessary.
 
2002-08-12 07:18:11 AM
The flag raising pic was done by Thomas someone from a new jersey paper
 
2002-08-12 07:20:43 AM
amazing pics

just wanted to say to the people who called him a dumbass that the guy wasn't taking the pics thinking "I'll take these and then i'll die", but rather probably thought he'd get out - or hadn't really considered it at all.

It's all very well to say in retrospect that it was a "stupid" thing to stick around but it could have been different at the time
 
2002-08-12 07:25:05 AM

so....did this guy live?
 
2002-08-12 07:25:31 AM
SuburbanCowboy
Thank you.
 
2002-08-12 07:43:37 AM

another closeup from that same photo - 19 Rector Street
amazing photo
 
2002-08-12 08:16:27 AM
A mate of mine had recently visited the US prior to 9/11. He had friends in New York, and due to the communications log-jam and general confusion it was days before he heard anything about them.

They are safe and well, but the poor guy spent a long time terrified he had lost them.

That's the closest I came to the tragedy, and I consider myself quite lucky.
 
2002-08-12 08:23:27 AM
September 11th: Another wonderful thing caused by religion.
 
2002-08-12 08:23:59 AM
At this point I would like to express my feelings with the following image:
 
2002-08-12 08:27:26 AM
Just to throw some fuel on the fire:

Many Farkers were quick to condemn Daniel Pearl for being a dumbass for going to where the news was and getting himself killed by terrorists. Is this different somehow?

For the record, I think both of these guys are heros.
 
Ni!
2002-08-12 08:31:31 AM
If you really want to get chills, go back and read the Fark page for 9/11. People's reactions as things are happenening....I did a few months ago and was just sobbing hysterically, it just made it all seem so fresh again. These pics are the work of the ultimate professional. RIP.
 
2002-08-12 08:33:33 AM
SuburbanCowboy: Wow, great story. Thanks.
 
2002-08-12 08:35:27 AM
Sorry I got sidetracked

Hearing on fark how many people were personally connected with it brings it home to someone living halfway across the world
 
2002-08-12 08:40:18 AM
There was a new guy in my office in CT we had recently hired - and on 9/11 he told us that his prior company was located in the WTC. He might have died had he not switched jobs. I bet theres tons of stories like that.
 
2002-08-12 08:40:59 AM
We are rapidly approaching the one year anniversary and it's obvious that the wounds are still fresh.

I hate watching everyone continue to fight or justify attrocities for whatever axe they have to grind at the moment.

But I guess it's that singlemindedness that makes such lunacy possible.
 
2002-08-12 08:41:55 AM
well said Grivas
 
2002-08-12 08:43:13 AM
Powerful photographs. Excellent post.
Cheers,
Dawg
 
2002-08-12 08:43:33 AM
I wasn't going to go to this link at first. Tragic imagery, as I am sure you all know, is not simply glanced at, digested and forgotten. It weaves itself into the fiber of your heart, where it lives for the rest of your life. After reading through your comments about the power and beauty of these pictures, I decided to look.

Thanks, guys -- Incredible images that eloquently capture both the drama of the event and the inarguable bravery of the photographer. How fortunate that this film was found.
 
2002-08-12 08:48:50 AM
Every time I see it, I feel the rage all over again. And you know, I think that's a good thing. It strengthens my resolve.
 
2002-08-12 08:50:45 AM
Queso
Me too - i think that's important
 
2002-08-12 08:53:13 AM
http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0111/biggart06.htm

Judging from this photograph, Mr. Biggart was about ten feet away from me when the first building fell. However, I took off when I saw that. He just kept going towards the buidlings. What a brave mofo.
 
2002-08-12 08:55:45 AM
Mr Fyre I think Mr Youth is right. Although a firefighters job is to save people. So there's a bit of difference. A photojournalist is supposed to document history, not interfere with it. So yes I think he must've been partially retarded to run towards it just to get that great picture. No life is worth a picture. While the NYFD (heroes the lot of 'em) we're trying to do their job.
 
2002-08-12 08:59:15 AM
Mr.Biggart's final picture jarred me the most, as the building destroyed on the left is the Marriott World Trade Center, where I would stay when in NYC on business. I knew the hotel was destroyed, but I hadn't seen any pictures of it before now.

Just so very, very sad.
 
2002-08-12 09:01:37 AM
SuburbanCowboy,

Your testimony gave me chills. Living in NYC now LI I now know what you meant about the weather being like 9-11. Strangely enough I didn't think of it that way until you brought it up.
Growing up in Ozone Park, Queens, could afford you a great view of the towers looking down pitkin ave, going on your roof, or the overpass over conduit ave. I remember these most because of your comparison with the Jones beach path, that I used to go down rollerblading or my bike when I lived in Massapequa then Wantagh.
My day on 9-11 will be something I never forget. The closest person to me, my dad works all the way downtown on Whitehall street. Once the towers fell the dustcloud looked ominous and possibly choking all the way down to the water.
Phone didn't get through for awhile, finally did and realized he's ok.
I do have friends of friends that were killed. I know families with moms and dads gone. All for what?
There is no justification for their murders. Some idiots with their "USA foreign policy at fault" argument can eat a steaming pile of dog shiat. The people that died in the towers were just going about their lives. Going to work in order put food on the table for their families.
Why did did mother farkers fly the planes on suicide missions? In the name of their religion. Brainwashed into believing they have "72"? Virgins waiting for them. Asshats.
 
2002-08-12 09:03:15 AM
One of my UT clannies was staying at the Mariott in the bottom of the WTC that day. She was one of the lucky ones, and only escaped with broken limbs and serious head injuries. She's been in and out of surgery since then, had several life-threatening seizures, and is only now regaining her faculties enough to speak. Hopefully she'll be able to walk again soon. But she can still frag my ass all over the map. :)
 
2002-08-12 09:13:36 AM
I don't know if anyone else has seen it, but in one of the British Papers the day after the tragedy they had various pictures. Of course they were all disturbing, but the picture that has really stuck with me is a picture of an arm severed above the elbow laying on the pavement. The person, plainly a man, was obviously wearing a suit and white shirt, his hand is fixed in a pointing motion with his index finger -- as if his hand was severed the moment he saw one of the planes coming in and pointed at it in horror.

Shortly after it was posted it was removed from the site and I've never seen it again. Does anyone else recall this picture -- absolutely haunting.
 
2002-08-12 09:13:59 AM
Bless us all for we are lucky to be here and not one of the unfortunate people lost on 9/11/01! Amen.
 
2002-08-12 09:15:36 AM
Thanks for the link.
 
2002-08-12 09:17:08 AM
Joh3092

Try a Google Image search. Might turn up more than you bargain for, though.

The ugliest pic I saw was of a guy who had jumped from the top of one of the towers. Split open like a melon, poor guy. Not pretty.

Not the sort of thing I ever care to see again. I can still see it when I close my eyes and that's plenty.
 
2002-08-12 09:20:03 AM
I work at the pentagon. The only thing I was selfishly thinking of was wanting to call my parents to tell them I was o.k. When I was finally released to go home a trip that took about 20 minutes on the subway took 5hrs because the subway was closed at the pentagon and the traffic was all backed up. When I finally called it was the first time my (retired from the military) father sob. later that night we went back into work (pentagon) it was still on fire. the hall ways were very smoke filled. The smell was very stiffling.We still didn't know about our friends. In the center of the court yard were many body bags. The thing that helped us get through were the volunteers, poster from around the world and the cards from kids everywhere.
 
2002-08-12 09:20:38 AM
Tolerance people.

grivas shouts and gestures at the deaf ears.
 
2002-08-12 09:32:08 AM
Vegasj: It's nice to be back, by the way.

Yeah, I'd have to say that (and this has been said ad nauseum)that 9/11 had to be Fark's proudest day. To this day I still go back and re-read those threads. They are as hard hitting, if not more so, than the photos were.

The chronology of the statements carries you along in this huge wave of emotion, excitement and terror. I would encourage all you new Farker's to link to it, pour a cup of coffee and read it. You'll never be the same and it will give you a whole new respect for Fark and what Drew Curtis & Company had put together here.
 
2002-08-12 09:36:59 AM
For those who are asking. http://notendur.centrum.is/~czar/misc/wtc/P7300439.jpg is the after pic of the guy standing on the ledge of that green building. I don't have a pic editor at work, so you'll have to look closely yourselves. But it doesn't appear that he is standing there. He would have had a second, maybe, to realize a blast of smoke and debris were headed around his building. Whether, he jumped, was blown off, or get back inside the window is unknown. But his situation was dire.
 
2002-08-12 09:39:51 AM
If you are in the NYC area, and you would like to see some unbelievable photography of the WTC, and 9-11, visit "Here Is New York" on Prince Street in SoHo. I work around the corner, and I have gone there a few times. It is a very moving experience to see some of the work there.
They have a website HereIsNewYork.org where you can view all of the photos online.
 
2002-08-12 09:41:21 AM
From now on, please don't anyone else say anything mean about this today. Thanks.
 
2002-08-12 09:43:38 AM
Cowboy
I have a friend who got picked for the continuation of that exhibit. She felt very honored and donated the money they gave her for her shot.
 
2002-08-12 09:46:28 AM
Mr.Sinister:
"can only be corrected through education"

Education is a good start, but I wonder why an educated man like Mohammed Atta decided to fly planes into buildings instead of educating the children of the Middle-East.
 
2002-08-12 09:47:08 AM
If I may.....

Where Were You (When The World Stopped Turning)By Alan Jackson


Where were you when the world stopped turning on that September day?

Out in the yard with your wife and children
Working on some stage in L.A.
Did you stand there in shock at the sight of that black smoke
Rising against that blue sky
Did you shout out in anger, in fear for your neighbor
Or did you just sit down and cry?

Did you weep for the children who lost their dear loved ones
And pray for the ones who don't know
Did you rejoice for the people who walked from the rubble
And sob for the ones left below
Did you burst out with pride for the red, white and blue
And the heroes who died just doin' what they do
Did you look up to heaven for some kind of answer
And look at yourself and what really matters?

SING CHORUS

Where were you when the world stopped turning that September day?
Teaching a class full of innocent children
Or driving down some cold interstate
Did you feel guilty 'cause you're a survivor
In a crowded room did you feel alone?

Did you call up your mother to tell her you loved her
Did you dust off that Bible at home
Did you open your eyes and hope it never happened
Close your eyes and not go to sleep
Did you notice the sunset for the first time in ages
Speak to some stranger on the street
Did you lay down at night and think of tomorrow
Go out and buy you a gun?

Did you turn off that violent old movie you're watchin
And turn on I Love Lucy reruns
Did you go to a church and hold hands with some strangers
or stand in line and give your own blood
Did you just stay home and cling tight to your family
And thank God you had somebody to love?



CHORUS 2x
I'm just a singer of simple songs
I'm not a real political man
I watch CNN but I'm not sure I can tell you
The difference in Iraq and Iran
But I know Jesus, and I talk to God
And I remember this from when I was young.
Faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us
And the greatest is love.

And the greatest is love.
And the greatest is love.

Where were you when the world stopped turning on that September day?
 
2002-08-12 09:48:02 AM
As someone who lost two people I really cared about in my family to the attacks, I have to say my life has never been the same after that. When I see pictures of this, its like its happening all over again. But, even though panic anxiety attacks are hellish to endure, it helps me to remember that I am human, first and foremost, and that in time these feelings of anxiety will subside, and to not feel these things would be even more tragic, to be numb and desensitized by Paxil or bombardment of images is even worse. I am amazed by these pictures, even if they make me panicy and anxious, because it is very real, it is not softened by paraphrasing or camera tricks or anything, its real life and that is very valuable to be as a human.
 
Ni!
2002-08-12 09:50:24 AM
Thank you DaCricket. I had heard about that song but had never seen the lyrics. That's very sweet.
 
2002-08-12 09:53:11 AM
The mini argument between greenhornet and I were censored as well. Maybe or maybe not rightfully so.
I'll ask in a more polite manner:

Greenhornet. Please enlighten us to how the manner that the pictures are portrayed are propaganda. That is the word you used, so please.
That is all.
 
2002-08-12 09:53:24 AM

Time for my $.02...


I was one block from the WTC on 9/11.  I was lucky enough to be in my
office at 8:46 because I'd just moved to Long Island and decided to go into work
an hour earlier than normal.  Because of that decision, I was in the WTC at
around 7:45AM instead of 8:45AM.  My office (on Barclay Street) is (was)
directly across the street from 7 WTC.


I was with several co-workers and went to our building's cafeteria to see
what had happened.  We had a remarkable view of the impact to the north
tower, then went downstairs to our cubicles to grab radios or get internet
news.  While trying to get info, the second tower was hit.


Our security personnel (not known for competence - MY opinion) instructed us
to stay inside, off the phones, and on the SOUTH side of the building (AWAY from
the WTC).  We were told NOT to leave the building.  In this case, I
think they made the right decision, since 4,000 more people walking around lower
Manhattan could raised the death toll higher.


We were evacuated after the first tower collapsed.  I walked up
Greenwich street (northbound - away from the action) and was around one mile
from WTC when the second tower collapsed.  I'd stopped to listen to a radio
being played by someone standing on a street corner, turned south to look, and
watched the north tower disappear.  


I ended up meeting a co-worker who'd evacuated the building too, and we
walked to Penn Station.  At that time  (probably around 12:00 PM),
there were no trains running, so we waited around outside Penn Station, sat,
rested, and listened to my headphones for the latest news.  We decided to
walk the 59th Street Bridge to Queens (where my co-worker lives) and get to her
apartment.  The "E" train was running by the time we made it to
53rd Street, so we took a VERY crowded train to her stop and got back to her
apartment by 5:00PM or so.  We rested there for a while then I caught a bus
to the Queens/Nassau border where my parents picked me up.  I didn't get
back to their house until around 7:30PM.


I can't help but feel lucky to have walked away from the devastation
unscathed.  Friends wondered how I managed to deal with it.  I simply
told them that I was OK.  I was feeling too sorry for the REAL victims to
feel sorry for myself.


I ended up with an unexpected two week vacation as my company decided how to
handle relocations.  I spent a month or so in our northern New Jersey
office, three months on Broadway and 51st Street, and four months on 51st Street
and Sixth Avenue.  We relocated back downtown at the end of June.  I'm
not at my old building, but two blocks away with a direct view of "ground
zero" (jeez, I HATE that name).


My most lasting impression of 9/11 (other than the destruction), was how
people came together.  Cars were parked with windows down and news stations
cranked, others were using portable radios on the streets, and people gathered
around for updates.  Businesses north of WTC opened their doors to provide
rest rooms and water to those coming from downtown.  Unfortunately, stuff
like that didn't last.  We're back to our self-absorbed bickering selves...


I suspect that everyone knows someone who knew someone, etc.  In my
case, it was my friend's brother.  He and his EMT partner were off that
day, but went in to help out.  They were both killed.  My manager is a
volunteer EMT.  He didn't show up for work on 9/11, and I called his home
that night to see if he was OK.  His wife told me he went there and helped
out, as did his volunteer EMT son.  They were both OK.


My company lost three employees.  None were based in the WTC, but may
have been passing through the trains or just outside when the bad stuff
happened.


Lastly, just to vent a bit more, as much as I appreciate seeing the pictures
of the WTC site, there's something I see daily that just infuriates me.  I
see families coming to visit the WTC site and they take photos like they're
visiting the Grand Canyon.  You know, husband takes picture of wife and
kids in front of the destruction while they smile and wave.  I *SO* want to
make a camera suppository every time I see that.


Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking with it.


 

 
2002-08-12 09:56:07 AM
Maui Haui-

Agreed.
 
2002-08-12 09:59:56 AM
A quick thank you to the MODS for keeping this thread pointed in the right direction.
 
2002-08-12 10:00:40 AM
"I suspect that everyone knows someone who knew someone, etc."

I know it's a long stretch but even here from Sydney, my cousin's teacher's daughter was killed in WTC
 
2002-08-12 10:00:55 AM

A few photos from outside my office immediately after 9/11.



A totaled UPS truck.



Above/below...1,900 broken windows.


 
2002-08-12 10:01:38 AM
I actually saw the second plane crash into the second tower live on Headline News. I almost always flip on the TV when I'm doing the shave/iron clothes thing. The reporter if I remember had a camera on either another rooftop or a helicopter - it was pretty jittery. They were going through their monologue and they had the camera on the second tower when this aircraft just comes out of nowhere and hits it. It was a pretty deep moment.
 
2002-08-12 10:06:17 AM
LeeHerMan,
great story. I feel the same way about the "ground zzero" name. And I have posted several times about how much I hate the fact that it is a "tourist" spot. THose people are clueless. They seem to forget that it is a place where people died. I don't work near the WTC, the only time I have been there was whn I accidentally got out at the subway stop at the end of the "E" line. I say accidentally, because I don't know downtown that well, and I was going to the seaport. I din't know that the last stop on the E was right at the WTC. I walked out and saw it, and was like "oh s#it." I instantly felt sad. Then I see these pricks posing for family photos. I actually said to a family "this isn't disney world".
"Want to see my photo album? Here is me and the kids at Auschwitz, Here's Hiroshima, This one is a little village down in Argentina that was destroyed by a mudslide..."
I really think these people are disgusting. Why would anyone wear a "Ground Zero" hat or t-shirt? Were they alive on 9-11? DO they know it was real? It wasn't a made for TV movie???
 
2002-08-12 10:06:38 AM
Is this the picture you mean?

http://www.donald99.homestead.com/files/mdf52265.jpg
 
2002-08-12 10:07:36 AM
Looks like my anti-Harmonia rhetoric got deleted too



Amazing
 
2002-08-12 10:07:59 AM
moving forward with this thread...
Ignore the trolls.
Leave the Political Discussion for another thread.
 
2002-08-12 10:08:39 AM
My vantage point on 9/11 was as good if not better (or worse!) than Biggart, as I work at 1 Liberty Plaza, which is directly across the street, but I had the wherewithal to hightail it out of there. He was a courageous but foolish man, as I'm sure his family would rather have him than his last role of film.
 
2002-08-12 10:08:51 AM
The human race is doomed, and this thread proves it.

So many different realities, and everyone of them is convinced they are right.
 
2002-08-12 10:11:05 AM
Thanks Chrisifa I am still waking up and my HTML skeelz are slow today.
 
2002-08-12 10:11:24 AM
By the way, more photos from that website you might like to see.
 
2002-08-12 10:16:23 AM
DO they know it was real? It wasn't a made for TV movie???

I've thought about this extensively, and I think that for most people, the answer is both yes and no. They believe that it is real, but can't quite reach the same level of reality as the rest of us who were here to see with our own eyes what went on. It's not necessarily their fault, as sympathy and empathy can realistically only go so far; but there is definitely a difference.
 
2002-08-12 10:18:45 AM
http://www.mslaura.net/2001_09_09_archives.html

This is really nice, a good correction if you think the world is against america
 
2002-08-12 10:18:47 AM
This was a pic I saw at the exhibit that really got me....
 
2002-08-12 10:19:59 AM
I was actually in France on the Mediterranean with my girlfriend on vacation when the towers fell.

As we walked out to the beach, the matron of the hotel and the bellhop were intently watching a TV in the parlor. We didn't see what they were watching and went out totally unaware that the world had changed.

We spent a beautiful hot day at the beach, sunning ourselves. I had started to read "The Good Soldier Svek", a Czech novel from World War I that ultimately focuses on the absurdities of war.

We came back to the hotel that evening. My girlfriend went into the shower to wash the sand off her and I turned on the TV. On a German language channel I saw the second plane slam into the tower on tape. The sky was blue and cloudless behind the upper third of the white tower. Smoke could be seen off to the side of the picture and then, from off screen a jumbo jet streaked towards and was absorbed into the tower with a gush of flame. I thought it might be a movie, but knew almost immediately it wasn't.

I looked for CNN, BBC - anything in English and found a channel where they showed the New York skyline with two gaping holes. By this time, I'd called R (my gf) into the room, telling her "something big happened in New York".

We watched and held each other as the shock and the enormity of what had happened rolled over us from the tiny TV.

When we returned to Paris, we noticed a strange mix of reactions. My friends work for the OECD in Paris and are well integrated into the ex-pat international community there. The Europeans and Brits were kind but cautious around us. The mass for the dead a couple days later was particularly comforting as our prickly allies the French turned out in large numbers to express sympathy.

The Australians and Kiwis, on the other hand were downright boisterously supportive of us. That was welcome, but made me feel strange, like I should be angrier or sadder, or both. Mostly, I felt numb.

We spent more time in Paris that week than intended becasue of the flight cancellations. When we rode the metro, we sometimes sat near or across from Arab-looking people and the expressions on their faces were a mix of sympathy somtimes, hatred other times, and occasionally either or both mixed with what seemed to be fear.

We left four days later than intended, due to the groundings. When we touched down in Pittsburgh, the plane erupted in a cheer and a sigh of relief that we were home in the USA and down safely on the ground.
 
2002-08-12 10:21:15 AM
I will never forget where I was when the WTC collapsed. I was working for Sprint in Kansas City and walked into one of their control rooms, (you know, the ones in the commercials that shows all the telephone traffic) and there it was on these huge displays. Very moving to see all these people screaming, crying and hugging. Very moving. Very vivid seeing it on a Jumbotron too!

But hey, I spent all of Y2K eve watching a hostage bank robbery from a friends van,
http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/01/01/bank.hostages.03/index.htm
 
2002-08-12 10:21:30 AM
I'm lucky enough to be married to a talented artist.

Unable to express her grief and horror, last September and October she created a series of works about the attack that let what she felt go onto the canvass. Powerful stuff.

By pure luck, this series was noticed by the Hunter Museum in Chattanooga, Tennessee. They were planning an anniversary exhibit and they liked what they saw.

Her work goes on display September 7th at the Hunter. Before you point fingers and shout commercialism, be aware that museum exhibits are NOT sales events. The only thing she gets from this is a new line on her resume.

Anyway, you're all invited to come to Chattanooga to see her work. I'll be the one with the bloodshot, glassy eyes and a bag of Oreos.
 
2002-08-12 10:23:10 AM
i beleive the phrase" And pooof you are now a pile of shiat "should clear that up
 
2002-08-12 10:24:02 AM
You know, husband takes picture of wife and
kids in front of the destruction while they smile and wave.


Not being from NYC, I did visit ground zero as a tourist. But I must say, I didn't see any behaviour such as you noted above. When we got to the site, it was a very solemn place - everyone was pretty much solitary, lost in their thoughts. Many were crying. Until you see the ground zero site for yourself, it's very difficult to understand the level of destruction - you can see the WTC crumble on TV, but you see movies blow up the white house every day and it's difficult to understand and comprehend exactly how real this was, exactly the level of devastation, until you see it for yourself. And I think that's the point of letting people see ground zero. I took photos - not because I wanted to "show them off", but because it's difficult to explain to other people exactly how being at that site affects you. Things like the buildings on all sides of the WTC that are still standing, but shrouded, most of their windows cracked or shattered. Things like the wall by the church, covered with tributes and memoriams and lost signs.

You're always going to have bonehead tourists, but in my experience, ground zero had fewer boneheads than most places, and I came away from there sobered and saddened.
 
2002-08-12 10:28:51 AM
Nightsweat: I think that's because Aussies and Kiwis are much more similar than Europeans to Americans. I'm not sure exactly why but there you go.

I just heard about it when I woke up on the morning of sept 12 (no i'm not lazy, time differences) and watched the news in disbelief. When I arrived at school we just watched the news all morning and cheered as Bush made his first major speech.
 
2002-08-12 10:30:04 AM
SuburbanCowboy and LeeHerMan
And I have posted several times about how much I hate the fact that it is a "tourist" spot.

There is without a doubt a high percentage of gawkers, but I also have to believe that for many of those "tourists" there is genuine therapeutic value. New York City is my Oz, it has always inspired awe. My last trip into the greater NYC metro area was to change planes in Newark, April 2001. I flew in from the north, right at sunset and the clearest visible landmark in Manhattan was the sun reflecting of the Trade Center towers.

I have had to regrettably pass on opportunities to visit the city in this past year. I don't know that I would need to visit the site, but I do know that seeing the skyline in person would, for me, be much the same as visiting the grave of an old friend whose funeral I was unable to attend.

Perhaps the lack of time makes so many locals uncomfortable with outsiders, but as with places like Normandy and Pearl Harbor, people come to places that have been home to unspeakable carnage because for better or worse, it gives them a tangible connection to it. And it would be my hope that many of those people leave with a greater respect for the events that took place there.
 
2002-08-12 10:31:26 AM
I also got deleted so I'll try more civility.

That horrible Teusday, and I despise Teusdays, I was asleep with the TV on. I was in that cat-like half-sleep mode and saw the news with a burning trade center. I thought to myself "oh no not that dream again". I had seen it before. My friend called me up a few minutes later and wondered if I was seeing this. I told him it was just a dream, then I fully awoke. I asked if this was a movie stunt. It wasn't. Oh crap. Next thing I know another airplane smashes into Tower 2. Oh crap!

I grabbed my army helmet, strapped my pistol onto my hip and began drinking like a fish. I stayed awake for over 30 hours watching the horror. Then I heard these anti-american women of a different sexual proclivity saying how America deserves the terror and all Americans should die. I flipped out, got in a row, ended up in the loony bin. One very,very bad week.

I also lost an IRC buddy who was a cool guy, but I never saw his face and knew not much about him. Still makes me sadder than I can stand sometimes.

Now, here's a question, do you have dreams about 9-11? I had them before it happened and now I have them practically every night. I think the whole nation has been scarred for life.
 
2002-08-12 10:34:35 AM
Not to undermine the pictures or anything, but anyone else notice how whoever wrote this article can't spell? :P
 
2002-08-12 10:35:40 AM
Conradknight ~~ IMHO, looking at the posts prior to Harmonia, most were paying tribute to the photographer in question and also sharing their own feelings/experiences of that particular day (Something very much like a funeral ~ yes?).

What was being discussed was Not the things that have happened since, or even the reasons why these people felt they needed to do what they did. And a more appropriate place would have been a discusion board geared toward that ^ topic.
 
2002-08-12 10:38:15 AM

Zchamu:


I first re-visited downtown during November, 2001.  I'd been relocated
as a result of the destruction so I had no other reason to go down other than to
see the aftermath.  I couldn't bring myself to visit sooner.


Even during the 11/2001 visit I noticed a family taking a photo in the matter
I described.  It was not the norm at that time, though people were taking
somber pictures and generally exhibiting the behavior you'd expect when visiting
a "mass burial site".


However, 11 months later, now that I've returned downtown for almost two
months now, the scene is now of a tourist trap.  Lots 'o' photos, and
plenty of knock-off FDNY and NYPD shirts for sale.  I still find it
disturbing.


For the record, I finally took some photos in April, when I returned to my
old office for the first time to pack my stuff.  I've got no problem with
taking photos in that manner, and I took them more for myself than anyone else,
though I did share them with friends and family.  The photos were taken
from 14 stories above ground level and show the clean-up efforts nicely. 
Photos available on request.

 
2002-08-12 10:38:58 AM
I finally get a link posted.. and its one of the saddest i've ever seen..

My GF was here in Newfoundland with me when it happened.. she is a native New Yorker and her mother was in the city alone recovering from a mild heart attack about a week before.. It was one of the most tense days in my life.. I remember feeding information from CBC and what ever news source I could find to an american friend so he could post it in his LiveJournal and keep the people who couldn't get to a TV informed about what was happening.
 
2002-08-12 10:42:13 AM
PegLeg, I agree totally with you. But, it is one thing to go there to mourn or pay your respects. It is totally unacceptable to use it as a photo opportunity. People shouldn't be smiling in front of a camera there. It is disrespectful and ignorant.

On the subway the other day, I saw a family, obviously tourists. The youngest girl, must've been 8 or 9, was looking at a big picture book of photos from 9-11. The book was called "Day of Terror" or something sick like that. She was flipping through the pages like it was a Dr. Seuss book or something. A girl that age, with parents dumb enough to buy her something like that, doesn't really grasp what happened that day. Trivializing it with bad products is going to give us of a generation of kids that has no idea what that day meant to so many people, and how it tore so many people's lives to shreds.
 
2002-08-12 10:44:36 AM
these pictures are amazing, yet at the same time disturbing...i hate thinking back and seeing the plane fly into the towers, but at the same time i'm somewhat glad i was there...anyone else here that worked in the John St. area?
 
2002-08-12 10:45:15 AM
No hypocrisy. As I said, I shall not morn the loss of the hijackers lives in anyway shape or form. Their familes in their sick belief they are martyrs will morn them. But I will not. Many of the terrorists who fight our forces in Afganistaion are young and brainwashed into believing they will become martyrs. Do they not have families?

I morn the innocent people killed in WTC attacks and innocent men, women and children killed in the bombing of afghanistan by my country and the USA.

It's a shame I have to spell it out for you Nightsweat.

A life, is a life. Live with it.
 
2002-08-12 10:49:30 AM
A few things from my prospective:

1. I can't look at the pictures or view that video with Enya singing in the background without getting chocked up.

2. The NYPD, NYFD, NYEMTs, and all other personnel that worked that day and the days that followed are heroes. Every one of them.

3. The personnel that worked the Pentagon were heroes.

4. The personnel that worked the Pennsylvania crash site were heroes.

5. Todd Beamer and the passengers on all the flights (DC, NY and PA) were all heroes.

6. I can understand (in a twisted way) why Bin Laden wanted to bomb the Pentagon. His grudge is with the US military and wanted to throw a wrench into the works. But, to bomb the WTC? I know that by doing that, he hampered our financial networks. But there was little if any military aspect to the WTC. From that, comes my anger. I know that there are phases people go through when they greave. I have not let go of the anger.

7. I am not an uncaring man. I care very much for my family, friends and the people of the United States (all races, religions and nationalities). But I believe Bin Laden is evil. He must be removed from the face of the earth. And the US has the know how to do it.

8. May God bless the souls lost.
 
2002-08-12 10:49:57 AM
I was so struck by the pictures of the police and firefighters.
i think of the men and women in and under those buildings, and the people in the plane that went down in PA, and to me they inhabit spaces in time that are impenetrable, shrouded in mystery. we can't know what they did under thaose towers, or in that plane, because they were obliterated entirely and wiped off the Earth. Although they are revered, their specific deeds are not remembered, for rescuer and rescued alike were buried and pulverized into dust, or strewn in pieces across a field.
These pictures are a small window into that mystery. Imagine a relative of one of these firemen or police, seeing one of these pictures, and for the first time being able to understand what happened to their loved one and what they were doing when they died. Imagine us all being able to understand.
THAT is the value of walking toward a collapsing building with a camera.
 
Zed
2002-08-12 10:52:37 AM
There is a time and place for every conversation. Some of you have no tact. This is not the time nor the place for some of you to whine about deleted posts or political crap. Get over yourselves and stop trying to make yourselves the story because you are not.
 
Ni!
2002-08-12 10:54:24 AM
The pic that gets me every time is the one where the firemen are carrying Father Mike out of the building. I saw the documentary made by those 2 brothers that followed that particular squad (? if that's what they are called) and I can still hear the bodies of the jumpers making that sickening thud as they fall onto the roof above them. What pure hell must they all have gone through. It makes me shake to think about it.
 
2002-08-12 10:54:49 AM
Let me just put my two cents in by saying I *did* know people that were victims of the attack. I knew one of the passengers on the first plane to hit the WTC, someone who worked on the 47th floor of Tower 2, and a New York City firefighter. Now I'm not looking for a lot of sympathy, as the only one I knew well, the woman who worked in Tower 2, survived, the other two were passing acquaintances. My brother-in-law also worked part-time in the WTC as a temp employee, and fortunately was not assigned to that office on September 11. So Harmonia, your assumption is incorrect.

Now that I've said that, let me also say that the photographer on this link was not only a hero, but his contribution is different, a little more subtle than one would think. Because of the way he put himself forward, not just to take some pictures, but to record what was obviously an historic event, we have this moving record of one of the most horrific days in history, and *THE* most horrific in your or my memory. Unless you were standing around Hiroshima or Nagasaki, I don't think there's much that can compare with what we all saw on that day.

Yes, people die in war. Yes, the US action probably caused civilian casualties. Yes, that sucks. However, take a look through these pictures and tell me how there should be no response to such a cowardly, senseless act of murder. They declared war on us, years ago. It was demonstrated on 9/11 very clearly. When the comment was made in 1941 about waking a sleeping giant, it is the most accurate description I have ever heard. Democratic societies are incredibly inefficient and look weak and ineffective to the outside world, until they are angered. For many years, the government has been trying to do something about Bin Laden, and only received ridicule in the local press and comparisons to "Wag The Dog" were made. Until 9/11 these actions that were taken were limited in scope, and tried to be precisely targeted. They are the ones who escalated the levels of this war, and the Taliban backed them up and provided a base of operations for this war. Sorry, but they brought themselves into this conflict. Yes, it's tragic that many people lost their lives over the past 11 months. Noone feels this more keenly than the people serving in the Armed Forces of the nations invloved in teaching a lesson to those who would commit such heinous acts. But we did not start this. We will, however, finish it. And because of people like Bill Biggart, we have everlasting reminders of why we cannot allow the people responsible to go unpunished.
 
2002-08-12 11:02:36 AM
I'm originally from Oklahoma City, and I lost two high-school buddies when T.M. blew up the federal building. Somehow it made it easier to accept by looking at all the photos taken right after the blast and the subsequent events. It made be aware that I was not the only one shocked and horrified.

My hat's off to all the brave photographers that documented the attack on the World Trade Center. I'm pretty sure I would have just turned away and hauled ass.
 
2002-08-12 11:03:13 AM
http://wtc.pkl.net/photos/

Some disturbing stuff.
 
2002-08-12 11:06:44 AM
Nightsweat: No problem. Glad it made things clearer for you.

To take images like this shows a great deal of bravery. To even hold a camera when you would be shaking from the shock is amazing. God bless him and everyone who died on that horrible day.
 
2002-08-12 11:08:56 AM
The most disturbing thing for me was the jumpers. The big CBS documentary a few moths ago did not show them, but there was a sickening thud every few seconds or so when they would show footage of the NYFD command center inside the second tower. I don't know how anyone could think clearly with that going on.
 
2002-08-12 11:12:17 AM
When I was a boy on Long Island, my mom and dad would take me in to visit grandma and grandpa, who lived towards the City. There was one entrance ramp onto the LIE where, on a clear day, although they were 40 miles or so away, you could just make out the tops of the WTC peeking over the trees. Each trip, I would hope it would be clear enough to see them, and if we went up that ramp and I saw them there, I would get so excited.

Even though I'd been to NYC and the WTC dozens of times since, when I reflect on 9/11, my thoughts always go back to those excited little glimpses.
 
2002-08-12 11:14:49 AM
Wow, hard to believe that it's nearly been a year since the WTC disaster. Seems only like yesterday. I'd love to look at the pictures from that site, but I could barely read a few paragraphs before my eyes got all watery. I can't find the words to express how those pictures made me feel. *goes outside to hang the flag*
 
2002-08-12 11:21:21 AM
Basically, you've all read my account of what happened, so I won't repeat it. I still haven't been back downtown. I don't want to talk about it.

Harmonia posted some inappropriate stuff and apparently will be sitting in the corner for a while.
 
2002-08-12 11:22:06 AM
suburbancowboy: why do people feel the need to 'own' 9/11 more than others? why do you hate people coming to see ground zero? i agree that while some might come and not feel awed by the significance of what is essentially a grave, those people are few.
 
2002-08-12 11:25:51 AM

Too bad about the thread eviscerating that occurred today. I think it wholly appropriate to /rant on when this topic comes up and some seriously deluded bastage whines about the babies being killed in the ME or Asian Subcontinent by the "evil American bombs". We would have no interest in wasting our taxpayer dollars on that forsaken corner of Earth if it's inhabitants hadn't come over here and started some serious shyatt. Shyatt for which they and theirs will be punished for years to come.

God Bless the men, women and children, the innocents, who were unfairly taken from this world on 9-11-01.

 
2002-08-12 11:28:10 AM
I cant read through all the comments to see if its already been done, and I was planning on trying to post this next month, but for anyone who hasnt read the days comments on fark, here they are:
http://www.fark.com/archives/index.2001-09-16.shtml
 
2002-08-12 11:29:33 AM
Ka Ching.


http://hereisnewyork.org/jpegs/photos/5317.jpg
 
2002-08-12 11:29:36 AM
Unterseeboot:

It's not a question of "owning" "ground zero". It's a question of respect and appropriate behavior.

Most people wouldn't go to a cemetary and start taking photos, so I can't quite understand why they do so in downtown NYC. Perhaps I see things differently because I was there, and shouldn't judge others, but I'm funny that way.
 
2002-08-12 11:29:42 AM
Unterseeboot,

I realize you directed your post to suburbancowboy, but I feel I needed to add.

People do not 'own' 9-11. People were affected by it in differing degrees. If you wish to argue that point, a person losing a loved one has a significantly different stake in it than someone who did not. (Just an example.)

Second, the people coming to see ground zero as a tourist attraction are not few. A couple of guys from the cleanup crew have told me they see hundreds of asshats a day.
When I say asshat it's the family picture type asshats that have previously been mentioned.

Persons going there for grieving are not the asshats.

You are completely incorrect when you say. "those people are few."
 
2002-08-12 11:30:33 AM
 
2002-08-12 11:31:06 AM
Not to be gross, but I have seen the video of the doctor that carried a videocamera with him when he went in to help. In the video, you here a constant beeping noise. I thought it was all the car alarms going off. But it turns out that firefighter have alarms that go off if they do not move for over a minute or so. Very chilling.
 
2002-08-12 11:31:33 AM
Also, anyone else flaming on this subject will join him.
 
2002-08-12 11:37:26 AM
dammit

http://hereisnewyork.org/gallery/showbig.asp?photoID=1195
 
2002-08-12 11:40:17 AM
I certainly wasn't trying to justify people who don't act with dignity and respect when they go to ground zero. I think that's really pathetic. But banning all tourists who want to see where it all happened seems stupid too, people who could get a lot out of visiting the site. I also understand that there are differing shades of experience, losing a loved one vs being close to the physical event vs hearing about it on tv. it just seems strange to me that all of my friends who live in new york (none of whom lost loved ones fortunately) are very quick to say 'oh, you couldn't understand what is was like to be there'. they seemed to need to illegitimize the rest of the country's feelings about 9/11. sems like it would be a lot mroe healthy to just listen and share all of our experiences, as opposed ot this discrediting of non-new yorkers...
 
2002-08-12 11:40:41 AM
I will always remember waking up in the ER, dehydrated and unable to stand, watching the 2nd plane hit and my already mutated reality became surreal tenfold.

Come 9/11 I will probably revisit the hospital and try to gain perspective and humilty.
 
2002-08-12 11:45:07 AM
Its not really that cool. 9/11 was one of the most photographed events in history.

I dont think he bought anything for his life. He didnt save anyone, or attempt to save anyone. He was chasing the money you get when you take photos of a breaking news story.

By being a glory hound, he deprived his friends and family of his company for the rest of their lives.
Losing someone you are close to hurts like hell. Losing a person because he was trying to get pictures to make him famous is even sadder.
 
2002-08-12 11:46:09 AM
Unterseeboot
suburbancowboy: why do people feel the need to 'own' 9/11 more than others?

I don't feel the need to own it, at all. I was affected by it, but I know I wasn't affected by it nearly as much as thousands of other people that lost loved ones.
I find it disgraceful, the way I saw people acting when I was down there. Seeing people all happy and taking pictures is sickening when you see other people there crying. When you see people trying to make a quick buck off of merchandise that no one should be buying in the first place, that too is sickening. Buy an NYPD shirt of FDNY shirt, and buy it from a legitimate source.
 
2002-08-12 11:49:14 AM
Ignore that last post, Rbuzby is right, this guy threw his life away, and that song that guy posted was pathetic, where was your magic god when the WTC fell down? He was too busy not existing I guess.
 
2002-08-12 11:49:21 AM
these photo were really nice to see.

I also think it is interesting how americans have reacted to the stunning reality we are not invincible.

I know that people from various countries deal with terrorism on a daily basis or at least have had to deal with the loss of loved ones due to outside influences. I am just glad we as Americans would never fill the role of an "outside" influence.
 
2002-08-12 11:51:10 AM
Unterseeboot:

I don't want to ban people from visiting the site. To the contrary, I believe the more people who see the aftermath of 9/11/2001 the better. It serves as a reminder of why our armed forces are fighting in various parts of the world.

I simply find the circus atmosphere a bit distasteful. ScatPack's photo of the vendors selling postcards says it all.
 
2002-08-12 11:51:19 AM
The sick picture posts were in violation of Fark Rules. And as for the censorship of text, the message board nerd's hackneyed complaint is that this is America and censorship is wrong, First Amendment, etc.

Give it up!

The prohibitions on censorship relate to government, not . . . Drew! This country SHOULD make a big fuss when a public school removes a book from its library, but for over 200 years we have respected the rights of private citizens to discriminate and censor as they like. If they wanted to, Fark could censor every post from a Euro, or a specific ethnnicity, or everything that mentions God.

*takes Glory Glory Hallelujah off the Victrola*

So when they do some censoring to try to keep people from being offended by reading the boards, it's probably a good thing. Without the fear of mild censorship, the comments areas here might just be overrun by stupid kids like every other message board on the Internet.

How would you like it if the comments area for every boobies link had pictures of blown-up Afghani people? Well, I bet some of you would love that . . .
 
2002-08-12 11:53:26 AM
"The man died because he was trying to share the most tragic moment in modern times with the world. "


Gimme a break. You know thats not what he was thinking as he shot the photos.

Reminds me a little of Daniel Pearl. He went looking for terrorists, found them, and they killed him.

This photograhper ran towards danger just to get some pictures. It wasnt worth his life.

Single moms raising 4 kids and working 3 jobs are heroes. Guys who widow their wives by seeking glory and money from exclusive photos/stories are fools.


He was thinking of how big he was going to score off the photos. And thats fine. But it wasnt worth his life or the grief his family and friends are going through missing him.


Sometimes we photograhers forget that what we see through the lense is happening right around us. We get in "zone".

This is sad, not heroic. If the guy was alive he would admit,

"Ya I guess a few pics werent worth my life after all."
 
2002-08-12 11:54:29 AM
Rbuzby: I agree. Its too bad the guy died, but his pictures aren't anything new. I have seen many other pictures better than this one from guys who observed enough caution to stay alive. What shocks me is that the guy died. He didn't die in the initial collapse of the 2 towers (from looking at the pics). So when was the guy crushed?

I hate to say it, but this guy wasn't very bright. These photographers just lose their mind on assignment and start taking crazy shots and risking their life. And for what? Often its for personal glory and a lot of cash. It isn't like photographers are saving people lives like the firefighters did.
 
2002-08-12 11:54:38 AM
Very well said Leth.
 
2002-08-12 11:54:45 AM
man, it does sound like a disgraceful atmosphere at ground zero. how sad.
 
2002-08-12 11:55:28 AM
Rbuzby: I don't think it fair you attempting to paint this man's actions as frivolous or selfish. The man was a photographer. Sure he was attempting to carry out his profession, which would mean taking a photograph and selling it. There's no shame in that. Think how empty an ill informed your life would be without people who performed that service.

If no one had taken any pictures of 9/11, then opinions couldn't have been formed, lines couldn't have been drawn in the sand and political policy wouldn't have been instituted.

Don't kill the messenger if you don't like the message. I admire photographers for having the ability to make a split second decision to go for the picture at all costs. And while they may get paid for it, don't think they didn't do it for you and I and our children and their children.
 
2002-08-12 11:55:33 AM
I know I'm posting this late, but for any of you who want, I made a nice little tribute video using a bunch of still images. A lot of it really captures the human loss, but there's some really good shots of the devastation (if there is such a thing as GOOD shots of devastation). Anyway, it's streaming video. You can see it here.
 
2002-08-12 12:02:36 PM
Follow up point: This guy (or his family) are not asking for sympathy nor is the website maudlin. They are presenting the photographs. That's all.

Reminds me of race car drivers. They don't want you to feel sorry for them if they wreck or, god forbid, get killed. They know the risks as do their families. They, like photographers and their kin, could probably give a rat's ass whether or not the ignorant among us disagree with what they do.

I think it shows great pomposity on your part to disrespect the dead. If you don't like it, there's the door.
 
2002-08-12 12:06:43 PM
"And while they may get paid for it, don't think they didn't do it for you and I and our children and their children."

BIGPEELER



You apprently think this guy was thinking " I have got to get these photos to show the world what happened here today. I might die, but I am doing this for everyones kids and grandkids!"


I disagree. In our society people know they can score big cash if they get photos or video of big events. Nothing wrong with that. That is why this guy took the pics and got himself killed, not so you grandkids cold see pics of that day.


Why did that Doctor who went to "help" just walk around with a video camera the whole time?

Was it easier to "help" people with a video camera stuck on his face?


If this guys photos never existed, we would still have photos showing the exact same things.

You think he did it so your kids and grandkids would know about 9/11. I think that was the farthest thing from his mind. We can agree to disagree I guess.

Senseless death sucks. We want to assign meaning. In this case, I like your version better, but it sounds more like justification after the fact than truth.
 
2002-08-12 12:06:54 PM
The amount of dedication is truly amazing.
 
2002-08-12 12:13:28 PM
I cant help but laugh when I imagine a guy running toward a collapsing building saying to himself


"I must get these photos for the children of the world, and our children's children too!"



Sorry gang, but life is for the living. If you carry 9/11 around with you like a lead weight around your neck, then the terrorists have won (seriously).

And get off your high horses of grief, cause mine is higher. Yes I lost someone last year too, my brother.


Viva life!
 
2002-08-12 12:18:15 PM
Rather than to continue arguing with people in this thread, I would much rather read about what other farkers experienced on 9-11, or the days following.
I don't think this guy was taking the pictures for money. I think he was trying to capture a record of something extraordinary. I take pictures, so I can go back and remember something, or so others can see what I experienced.
I put a few in my profile page. (the taxicab picture on my profile page, happens to be one that would have the WTC in the background if they were still there. I took it on the Brooklyn Bridge about a month ago.)
 
2002-08-12 12:19:39 PM
Rbuzby, even if you are correct (and I do not believe you are) in your assessment that he was only in it for the money and self-promotion, you seem to wasting a lot of time in your own life, complaining about this guy wasting his life. Why don't you return to maintaining the quality of your existence, and just let us fritter our time away in peace.
 
2002-08-12 12:20:12 PM
I, too, was in NYC on 9/11. Walking on 15th Street between 5th and 6th Avenues, I heard some women standing outside of a building mention something about a plane hitting a building. My immediate thought was "Why in the world would they be talking about the incident in the 40's when a US military bomber struck the Empire State Building"? As I reached 5th Avenue and turned uptown (my office is on 16th and 5th), I saw a guy coming towards me on his cell phone and his comment to the person with whom he was speaking was "I'm walking down 5th Avenue and I can see the flames". That's when I realized that I was the only person not stopped in his tracks and looking downtown. I turned and saw flames. It's a picture I will never forget. 15th Street was far enough away, in retrospect, to be out of the danger zone, but we stayed in the office until 6 PM that night, never knowing what was going to happen next. On 9/11/2002, I'll be coming to work a little early to ensure I'm standing in the same spot as I was a year before. When it comes time for the moments of silence, I would like to be standing there, no doubt with an American Flag in my hand and a tear in my eye.
 
2002-08-12 12:21:19 PM
I'm still waiting for Disney/ABC/WhoresofBabelon to mutate 9/11 for their own profit. They'll slap those damn mouse ears on anything it seems.
 
2002-08-12 12:25:39 PM
Pegleg-

Ok I will. You didnt notice, but another poster and I were responding to each other.

Have a nice day of not noticing stuff !



("Those who wallow in grief and self pity will always be grieving, and always pitying themselves."

Neville Throckmorton )
 
2002-08-12 12:25:47 PM
Hey, great idea here guys: let's honor this guy's death by posting some pandering masturbatory drivel by a no-talent hack like, I don't know, Alan Jackson? Oh wait, someone beat me to it.

The lack of class never ceases to amaze me.
 
2002-08-12 12:27:56 PM
I lost someone on 9/11, he was a mailman for the Pentagon. His name? Dennis Craigface. He died serving his country!
 
2002-08-12 12:35:34 PM
for those complaining that he lost his life taking those pictures and saying it was worthless, i disagree... it's a shame he lost his life over a few pictures, but at the same time it shows the rest of the world what it was like to be there... i hate reliving it in my mind but it's refreshing to let other people know what i and many others say that morning... no one expected the first plane to hit, and then the second...no one expected the towers to fall from what in reality is only a little bit of damage to such huge towers especially when hit from the top like that... had i had a camera with me i would've taken pictures as well... it was definatly an event that changed many lives, and with pictures like these people can understand why...
 
2002-08-12 12:39:15 PM
Actually Bump, I was in Disney World a couple of months ago and saw a print for sale of a sad looking Mickey Mouse shaking a fireman's hand. I don't know for a fact that that hadn't been done some other time, or if it was in fact commissioned after 9/11 (for instance, I didn't notice "FDNY" on the firefighter, nor did I check the artist's date and signature). But, just thought you might be interested...
 
2002-08-12 12:44:28 PM
I remember this day because I was on my second day of jury duty. (symbolic of the freedoms and sacrafices we make as citizens of this great nation) I saw the news reports of the first and second plane hitting and had to then leave to go into the courtroom for jury selection. Everyone there was upset and the fact that we had to be there with fear of jailing was bad. (you can't just leave like in a job)There was a federal judge in the jury with us and she was scared silly and the fact that she had parked in the federal couthouse garage a couple blocks down and her car was sealed off was a bad feeling also. She had the US Marshalls calling her on her cellphone to check her status and to pick her up after jury duty to get her car. We were all scared of being in a government building also but soon figured out "Why the hell would a terrorist want to come to Cincinnati anyways?" The whole next few days were surreal.

It amazes me though that people have gone back to the status quo biatchin and comlainin about everything though. I thought that we would have learned our lessons and would become better people. But that has not happened yet.
 
2002-08-12 12:46:12 PM
EatMeat: Don't you know anything? A terrorist would go to Cincy for the excellent bratwurst. Duh.
 
2002-08-12 12:47:29 PM
Wow, very impressive...
 
2002-08-12 12:50:26 PM
anyone else remember seeing some 'list of songs that wouldn't/couldn't be played on the radio' following 9/11. I'm all but positive I did - although I'm sure it was some bogus creation. I cannot imagine censoring music cause of this...
 
2002-08-12 12:53:17 PM
Clear Channel's list of songs with questionable content

Drowning Pool "Bodies"
Mudvayne "Death Blooms"
Megadeth "Dread and the Fugitive"
Megadeth "Sweating Bullets"
Saliva "Click Click Boom"
P.O.D. "Boom"
Metallica "Seek and Destroy"
Metallica "Harvester or Sorrow"
Metallica "Enter Sandman"
Metallica "Fade to Black"
All Rage Against The Machine songs
Nine Inch Nails "Head Like a Hole"
Godsmack "Bad Religion"
Tool "Intolerance"
Soundgarden "Blow Up the Outside World"
AC/DC "Shot Down in Flames"
AC/DC "Shoot to Thrill"
AC/DC "Dirty Deeds"
AC/DC "Highway to Hell"
AC/DC "Safe in New York City"
AC/DC "TNT"
AC/DC "Hell's Bells"
Black Sabbath "War Pigs"
Black Sabbath "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath"
Black Sabbath "Suicide Solution"
Dio "Holy Diver"
Steve Miller "Jet Airliner"
Van Halen "Jump"
Queen "Another One Bites the Dust"
Queen "Killer Queen"
Pat Benatar "Hit Me with Your Best Shot"
Pat Benatar "Love is a Battlefield"
Oingo Boingo "Dead Man's Party"
REM "It's the End of the World as We Know It"
Talking Heads "Burning Down the House"
Judas Priest "Some Heads Are Gonna Roll"
Pink Floyd "Run Like Hell"
Pink Floyd "Mother"
Savage Garden "Crash and Burn"
Dave Matthews Band "Crash Into Me"
Bangles "Walk Like an Egyptian"
Pretenders "My City Was Gone"
Alanis Morissette "Ironic"
Barenaked Ladies "Falling for the First Time"
Fuel "Bad Day"
John Parr "St. Elmo's Fire"
Peter Gabriel "When You're Falling"
Kansas "Dust in the Wind"
Led Zeppelin "Stairway to Heaven"
The Beatles "A Day in the Life"
The Beatles "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"
The Beatles "Ticket To Ride"
The Beatles "Obla Di, Obla Da"
Bob Dylan/Guns N Roses "Knockin' on Heaven's Door"
Arthur Brown "Fire"
Blue Oyster Cult "Burnin' For You"
Paul McCartney and Wings "Live and Let Die"
Jimmy Hendrix "Hey Joe"
Jackson Brown "Doctor My Eyes"
John Mellencamp "Crumbling Down"
John Mellencamp "I'm On Fire"
U2 "Sunday Bloody Sunday"
Boston "Smokin"
Billy Joel "Only the Good Die Young"
Barry McGuire "Eve of Destruction"
Steam "Na Na Na Na Hey Hey"
Drifters "On Broadway"
Shelly Fabares "Johnny Angel"
Los Bravos "Black is Black"
Peter and Gordon "I Go To Pieces"
Peter and Gordon "A World Without Love"
Elvis "(You're the) Devil in Disguise"
Zombies "She's Not There"
Elton John "Benny & The Jets"
Elton John "Daniel"
Elton John "Rocket Man"
Jerry Lee Lewis "Great Balls of Fire"
Santana "Evil Ways"
Louis Armstrong "What A Wonderful World"
Youngbloods "Get Together"
Ad Libs "The Boy from New York City"
Peter Paul and Mary "Blowin' in the Wind"
Peter Paul and Mary "Leavin' on a Jet Plane"
Rolling Stones "Ruby Tuesday"
Simon And Garfunkel "Bridge Over Troubled Water"
Happenings "See You in Septemeber"
Carole King "I Feel the Earth Move"
Yager and Evans "In the Year 2525"
Norman Greenbaum "Spirit in the Sky"
Brooklyn Bridge "Worst That Could Happen"
Three Degrees "When Will I See You Again"
Cat Stevens "Peace Train"
Cat Stevens "Morning Has Broken"
Jan and Dean "Dead Man's Curve"
Martha & the Vandellas "Nowhere to Run"
Martha and the Vandellas/Van Halen "Dancing in the Streets"
Hollies "He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother"
San Cooke Herman Hermits, "Wonder World"
Petula Clark "A Sign of the Times"
Don McLean "American Pie"
J. Frank Wilson "Last Kiss"
Buddy Holly and the Crickets "That'll Be the Day"
John Lennon "Imagine"
Bobby Darin "Mack the Knife"
The Clash "Rock the Casbah"
Surfaris "Wipeout"
Blood Sweat and Tears "And When I Die"
Dave Clark Five "Bits and Pieces"
Tramps "Disco Inferno"
Paper Lace "The Night Chicago Died"
Frank Sinatra "New York, New York"
Creedence Clearwater Revival "Travelin' Band"
The Gap Band "You Dropped a Bomb On Me"
Alien Ant Farm "Smooth Criminal"
3 Doors Down "Duck and Run"
The Doors "The End"
Third Eye Blind "Jumper"
Neil Diamond "America"
Lenny Kravitz "Fly Away"
Tom Petty "Free Fallin'"
Bruce Springsteen "I'm On Fire"
Bruce Springsteen "Goin' Down"
Phil Collins "In the Air Tonight"
Alice in Chains "Rooster"
Alice in Chains "Sea of Sorrow"
Alice in Chains "Down in a Hole"
Alice in Chains "Them Bone"
Beastie Boys "Sure Shot"
Beastie Boys "Sabotage"
The Cult "Fire Woman"
Everclear "Santa Monica"
Filter "Hey Man, Nice Shot"
Foo Fighters "Learn to Fly"
Korn "Falling Away From Me"
Red Hot Chili Peppers "Aeroplane"
Red Hot Chili Peppers "Under the Bridge"
Smashing Pumpkins "Bullet With Butterfly Wings"
System of a Down "Chop Suey!"
Skeeter Davis "End of the World"
Rickey Nelson "Travelin' Man"
Chi-Lites "Have You Seen Her"
Animals "We Gotta Get Out of This Place"
Fontella Bass "Rescue Me"
Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels "Devil with the Blue Dress"
James Taylor "Fire and Rain"
Edwin Starr/Bruce Springstein "War"
Lynyrd Skynyrd "Tuesday's Gone"
Limp Bizkit "Break Stuff"
Green Day "Brain Stew"
Temple of the Dog "Say Hello to Heaven"
Sugar Ray "Fly"
Local H "Bound for the Floor"
Slipknot "Left Behind, Wait and Bleed"
Bush "Speed Kills"
311 "Down"
Stone Temple Pilots "Big Bang Baby," Dead and Bloated"
Soundgarden "Fell on Black Days," Black Hole Sun"
Nina "99 Luft Balloons/99 Red Balloons"
 
2002-08-12 12:55:08 PM
There's some Sept 11th footage at www.feedroom.com of the south tower collapsing where you can see a person standing exactly where Bill Biggart took the photo of the collapse. I'm pretty sure it's him since you can tell from his photo that he's up the street from the pedestrian bridge, standing next to a fire truck. In the video footage which was taken from a bit farther back you can see the fire truck and a person standing next to it. Chilling.
 
Ni!
2002-08-12 12:56:36 PM
They couldn't play "What a Wonderful World?" what the hell.
 
2002-08-12 01:00:52 PM
finally, a tasteful, smart and simple tribute. hell, not even a tribute in the Disney sense of the word.... just a story.

i hope when 9/11/2002 rolls around people realize this is truly the best way to present what happened...

but, i think we're in for a dose of Mtv patriotism, benefit concerts and insincere, thoughtless BS.
 
2002-08-12 01:03:49 PM
 
2002-08-12 01:04:14 PM
On the pages of the pictures, down at the bottom is a link that is called "Platypus." I'm tempted to click it.
 
2002-08-12 01:12:27 PM
Almost a year lator there isn't a day goes by when I don't think of this.
 
2002-08-12 01:15:22 PM
These pictures bring it all back...

I will remember the morning of 9/11 with more clarity than any other moment in my life. My roommate awoke before me and discovered a a single photo of tower 1 on the cnn website with the words "breaking news". We figured some lunatic ad flown a Cessna into the top tower, we had no idea from the photo the scale of the damage. We turned on the TV and realized every channel was running the same story and came to the realization something had gone very wrong. In the subsequent minutes, most of us watched the second plane appear from the side of the screen and impact the second tower. I could not believe what I had just seen, absolutely chilling. Those of you who were watching NBC probably remember the horrified gasp the crew of the Today show uttered. I remember when my friend, a civil engineering major, told us those towers would collapse. Even at that moment it seemed absurd, everything seemed out of phase with reality. I went to class in a state of shock, only to find out afterwards the situation had become so much worse. Most students were walking around jabbering on their phones, a few walked without any expression whatsoever. I went back to my room, called my mother and cried for the first time in years. I spent the rest of the day with my friends trying to understand why all this had happened...

We must never forget the people in those towers, people whose best solution was to jump hundreds of feet to their deaths...or the people on those jets who had no idea of their fate until the final seconds. Every single American who died on September 11th perished in the most sickening, cruel, and unfair way possible. It still upsets me to think about so many firefighters who ran up those towers looking to help, to do good. We all need to do our best to ensure this never happens again. No matter how much we dislike or disagree with how our government is behaving in light of the attacks, no one should ignore the memory of the victims of 9/11, the heroes who tried to save lives, the workers who died because they were at their jobs, and the people like Bill Biggart who worked to record history in such a moving way.

Thanks to all you Farkers out there who have contributed such moving and meaningful stories on this thread today.
 
2002-08-12 01:25:56 PM
wow, that sucks this guy got killed when the 2nd tower came down. must of been debris.
 
2002-08-12 01:29:22 PM
Wow, I just spent the last two hours looking at the article pictures, & the pictures that Czar posted the link to, & reading the Fark posts from 9-11.

I was taken immediately back to that day and it was like I was living it all over again. And I kind of like that, because I don't ever want to forget. Worrying about repeating the past if I forget it.

Czar, those were some incredible images. Did you take these? The one that really knocked me out was the big 1.2mb phote of Manhattan taken from the air. Manhattan after rotation I think it was.
 
2002-08-12 01:29:33 PM
Greyrescue-My immediate thought was "Why in the world would they be talking about the incident in the 40's when a US military bomber struck the Empire State Building"?

When that plane hit the building, and then came crashing down on the street, It landed on my Uncle's (through marriage) Father's car.
 
2002-08-12 01:37:34 PM
I've just been back over the Farkives for Sep 11th and the following few days. I was going to re-read every comment, but had to abandon that idea. Then, I decided to count up the total number of comments posted directly about the attacks. I stopped when I got past 6,000 but I wasn't anywhere near finished. For some reason, that moved me much more than I was expecting.
 
2002-08-12 01:39:40 PM
Neelb420,

Thanks for linking that. I wasn't a farker at that time.
My whole office was in the rec room watching it on TV since no news sites were working. (Just referring to the farkers saying they could only see FARK.)
I was busy trying to get in touch with my dad that works downtown. Not in immediate danger, but once the towers collapsed.

That was some call bigpeeler.

09-11-01 10:00:00 AM Bigpeeler


REMEMBER THIS FACE
 
2002-08-12 01:42:00 PM
I thank all of you who have shared your stories with us. It is so sad that threads like these become the exact opposite of what Fark was like on that horrible day. Oh so sad.

Yesterday when I first saw this link, I spent hours going over the pictures and I was in awe of what this man did.

Please keep sharing your stories. I need to read them.
 
2002-08-12 01:50:11 PM
yeah..now we now how a lot of the world feels about getting bombed and attacked....we seem to think that this is the most horrible thing in history...well it wasn't..people deal with horror and death on a daily basis in many parts of the world. Also, most of the world does not care about us just like we do not care about most of the world. Sorry to burst your bubbles but most people do not have time in their daily struggle to care about people from a land far away that are suffering....just like we ignore suffering in countries that are not important for oil or political reasons....
 
2002-08-12 01:54:32 PM
Tarvuz:

Sad but true. We Americans live in a bubble - tragic massacres of people go on all the time but nobody cares 'til it's in their own backyard. O well.
 
2002-08-12 01:54:55 PM
I also remember local news stating stuff like, "we're not going to see movies like 'Die Hard' on the screen"
 
2002-08-12 01:56:49 PM
I spent the entire day on 9/11 coordinating refugees from the incoming planes that were supposed to land in the states...here in halifax we had about 50 planes land, and thousands of people with nowhere to go while america was declared a no-fly zone. People had seriously asked me while coming off the planes if there had been a nuclear war, because nobody knew what was happening. To make things worse, alot of the planes were from europe, and we had about 100 french, and 50 german only speaking people who I had to translate for. Those are 3 days straight of being awake I'll never forget
 
2002-08-12 02:00:33 PM
I am going to try and get my hand on some photos that my Grandmother's neigbor has. He is an NYPD Detective, and was at the towers. As the first tower fell he was right there. He, and his partner, jumped in a car and sped away as the debris chased them down the street. One person in the car took photos out the back window while they sped away, smoke right behind them.
 
2002-08-12 02:14:20 PM
Tarvuz

I notice that your name in your bio is "Mr. Insightful." That is appropriate. After reading your post above, I must say that it is very insightful, especially for one so young. I mean, you are eight years old or thereabouts aren't you? If not, disregard the rest of this post.
 
2002-08-12 02:18:52 PM
I worked the overnight on September 11 (12am to 8 am). By the time I fought my way home through Atlanta traffic, It was about 8:30. I went in and woke my wife up so she could get ready for work. We didn'thave cable at the time, so I turned on the local talk radio station to catch up on the news. I had just turned it on and sat down with my wife at the table when they broke in saying that a plane had hit the Trade Center. I will, to my dying day, remeber saying to my wife: "Oh Christ, some hotshot in a Cesna lost control." My wife was walking out the door when they said another plane had hit. I was stuned. I will also never forget the next thought through my brain when I heard that. One word: attack. I didn't want my wife to leave, but she has always had a cooler head than me, and she knew that working in the home health care industry at the time, that she had to go. I remeber watching a snow rabbit ear aided picture of smoke at flames pouring out of the WTC. Then, everything seemed to happen so very fast after that. The Pentegon was hit. I rember thinking 'This can't get any worse.' Then rembering that the CDC is here in town. Then the first tower fell. My god, how I wish I could forget what that looked like. I thought "Someone will pay in blood. There is no other choice." After the second tower fell, I got my bottle of Jack Daniels, some Pepsi, and began to try and forget what I had just seen. At about 1230, I decided that I would try and sleep. Suprisingly, I did for about an hour and a half, before I got called in to work (we deal satelite feeds for TV stations). I didn't cry for two days. I was just angry and scared. Then, it hit me on the Friday after. I just broke down. And still to this day, when ever I see pictures of the human side of the attack (i.e., Father Judge, the funerals), I still get misty eyed, and I suspect I will until the day I die.
 
wil [TotalFark]
2002-08-12 02:22:15 PM
I just had a thought.

Some people are accusing the photographers of being opportunistic, or trying to exploit the events of 9/11.

I disagree. In the months since September 11, the real human toll of these attacks has been obfuscated by political maneuvering. People all across the political spectrum are really doing their best to make political hay out of the terrorist threat, and the fear and outrage that most people feel when they recall 9/11.

Seeing these pictures brought right back, into extremely sharp focus, the magnitude of 9/11, and reminded me of the very real loos of thousands of lives.

That's a photojournalist's job: to take us to the events, and allow the images to tell us what happened.

This guy lost his life doing his job, taking us right into the middle of that horrible, horrible day.
 
2002-08-12 02:24:38 PM
Intense stuff...

So many people don't see God in all of this, but He was totally there. God was in all the heroes on that day. You could see the innate love for one another in the eyes of all those people. Like the guy who said you could see the grim determination of the rescue workers and stuff. Thats love!

You can pretend we're just overgrown primates with no soul and we're only living to live, but man. You look at 9/11 and you see us pulling together and loving each other and you can see we're so much more than that. We have a soul and you can see it on that day. God's love was sooo evident, you just have to look past the tragedy. 9/11 restored some of my faith in humanity. Its almost a year later and my faith has diminished again. The bickering, backbiting, selfishness of people has returned. Fat farks suing fast food, priests covering up sex abuse, and everyone attacking the US for responding to an atrocity. On 9/11, we were all about love for our fellow man. It didnt take long for people to turn 9/11 into a political tool to attack our president and his staff.

I like to remember 9/11 if only to remember the day God revealed himself to the whole world.

Psalms 29:10-11
"The Lord sits enthroned on the flood, yes, he sits as a king forever. He will give strength and peace to his people."

God was with us during the terrible flood of a collapsing tower, and he was evident in the strength he gave to us.
 
2002-08-12 02:32:25 PM
Like others who have posted in this link, I too was in NYC on September 11. My office is way downtown. I was getting prepared for the day trading when someone yelled out that a plane hit the Trade Center. We all thought it was a small plane. We could not see the north tower because our view was blocked by the south tower. I went back to my desk to continue working. Just after 9am I said to myself, 'I wonder if they put out the fire yet?'
I went back to the window to see if they were successful. Little did I know what really happend. I was watching the smoke and debris for about a minut. Then this plan comes zooming past our building about 200 yards away. I said out loud, 'man that guy is getting really close to get a look at the fire'! Then boom, right through the building. It was surreal. The building just swallowed the plan. I ran back to the trading floor. I yelled to everyone, 'another plane hit the second tower, it was no accident, they are trying to take them down!".
i am starting to shake while I write this so i am going to stop now. Maybe I will post more later.
 
2002-08-12 02:37:46 PM
nothing amazing, but here are some pictures me and a coworker took on october 24th, 2001...pretty much the final days of the company i was working at...anyhow the first one on the page, to the left is the subway stop i was coming up at when it all started on 9/11 (broadway/john st.)
 
2002-08-12 02:39:29 PM
errr duh...need coffee the images
 
2002-08-12 02:43:52 PM
9/11 was a horrible thing, but certainly not the greatest tragedy of modern times. I'm not trolling, it's just how I feel.

People die and are at war every day. Serbs, Palestinians, Suicide bombers. There are people who witness similar tragedies every day of their god damned life.

For me, 9/11 was an awakening. Not for my love of America... it didn't make me more patriotic. It made me realize that I live in a very small world... and the seems burst open at those horrid images on that horrid day

... but then, in the back of my mind, I knew it would be sensationalized and milked to no end by the public. The melodramatic press and the majority of the American people will wave their flags and cry - bandwagon patriots galore.

And everyone will sob for America.

I'm proud to live here. But I also know that America is pretentious and most of its people are ignorant. That's exactly the problem. The moment something bad happens in America, that happens almost every day in some far-off fairly and third-wolrd country, it's the greatest tragedy that's ever happened.

I think that's bullshiat.

As for this journalist: A brave man. Good photos. To think that his eyes behind a lense perhaps shut him out partially to the reality of what was happening. In a trance, I'm sure he walked forth into the rubble taking photos but equally shutting himself out. It's eerie to think he had no idea of his demise... and these phantoms of the last moment of his life not only encapsulate a tragic moment in American history but also its microcosm: the human lives that were lost as a result of it.
 
2002-08-12 02:45:11 PM
re: tourists

I know a few people and have heard MANY stories from others, about how tourists go see the WTC like it was part of their tour. Empire state building, Statue of liberty, and then ground zero. They had no apparent emotional attachment to the site or what it ment, but were just there to see what they saw on tv. I'm not saying all tourists are like this, just the few I know.

What makes me even sicker is that they'll be at home on Sept. 11 and glued to their TV's watching the memorial service like it's a soap opera, being entertained by the river of human emotion. I think that's why NYers have resented it when others are saddened, because their 'grief' is totally different than ours. We feel like you saw it all on TV like it was the Tuesday morning movie, and don't have the feeling that YOU could have been any one of those people falling, anyone of those people running away, anyone of those people dead could be a member of your family. Not to mention the devastation of our home town or having every stable thing in your life disrupted (like the phones, the power, the internet, school, the subway, looking downtown and seeing a gigantic black cloud engulf your neighborhood....I will never forget going out for groceries on 9/12 and there not being a single jug of bottled water or milk or a single piece of bread in the 4 supermarkets I went to). Pardon the expression but 9/11 hit so close to home, unlike anything before. Tourists may have been saddened by Sept. 11, but they still don't know how deep the wound is for us.

I'm reminded of a story about famous Vietnam writer Tim O'Brien ("The Things They Carried", "If I Die in a Combat Zone, Box Me Up and Ship Me Home"). He was at this book signing, and a woman came up to him and said (paraphrase), "Wow, I love your books, etc., I really know how you feel." to which he angrily responded, "No you don't. You can read every book on Vietnam, you will never know what it was like there, and you will never understand how I feel."

I don't mean to compare NYers to vets, but it's the same idea.
 
2002-08-12 02:46:32 PM
I live 2 buildings away from the WTC (75 West Street NY, NY) I moved there in the spring. One of the saddest circumstances to surface as a result of this event is the shameless peddling of WTC goods by street vendors. The streets around my apartment are painted with simple tourists wearing fanny-packs and USA t shirts. These people are pests. They sit in front of the WTC site, staring at a large pit of dirt and machinery. There is nothing to see. What is more disheartening is all the cheap, ridiculous merchandise they buy. It makes me sick to see these hicks contribute to the exploitation of an tragedy so serious. It has become a tourist attraction, like the grand canyon or an amusement park. If you are planning to come to NYC to see the site-DONT, stay home, there is nothing to see.
 
2002-08-12 02:53:16 PM
i remember, shortly after 9/11, a bunch of friends of mine got in a huge argument with another friend. he was biatching that americans are so desensitized when it comes to shiat like this, that by february, everyone would've forgotten this had happened. we were all like, "what the fark?!" in hindsight, i'll admit he had a good point, but it's amazing how much of a deep scar this really did leave on most of us. i didn't think, back then, that seeing pictures about 9/11 in the future would trigger such an emotional response.

great photos and stories, by the way.
 
2002-08-12 02:53:54 PM
Here's some pictures I took that day from my place in Brooklyn

http://frutsel.terrainhost.com:7601/frutsel/dump/c_l/
 
2002-08-12 02:55:24 PM
Nabb1 That Disney print is an older print. It wasn't commissioned for September 11th.
 
2002-08-12 03:02:33 PM
If i go to newyork, i will go look at ground zero. but i won't be buying/wearing merchandise, i won't be taking smiling pictures. on 9/11, i was not watching tv like a tuesday night movie, i was horrified and sick to my stomach thinking about the people in the buildings, at the pentagon, in the planes, and all the bystanders and rescue workers.

thelander: 'We feel like you saw it all on TV like it was the Tuesday morning movie, and don't have the feeling that YOU could have been any one of those people falling, anyone of those people running away, anyone of those people dead could be a member of your family.'

yup. you're right. i was like 'man, that could never have happened to me. i don't live in america, i don't go to work, i don't walk down streets near tall buildings, and i don't care about anyone but myself.' man, let people feel the same things you did! YES we did have that feeling.
 
2002-08-12 03:03:01 PM
BigHonky, Snopes ain't hearin' yo jive.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/radio.htm
 
2002-08-12 03:05:20 PM
I'd like to think that if I had been there, I would have been running towards the fire like this guy. But he did it, and I wasn't there. Hats off.
 
2002-08-12 03:08:26 PM
Well said Wil

The moment I found out about the WTC attack was surreal as well... I live in California, and I'd slept in on my day off.

I turned on my computer, went to check my yahoo mail, and saw the "world trade center towers collapse" headline in Yahoo news. I thought "very funny Yahoo." I thought they were doing a "what if" scenario, or something to that effect.

It was only then that I heard MSNBC wafting through the house from the kitchen, where my mom had the TV on. It was then that it hit me. :(
 
2002-08-12 03:13:58 PM
ThePhil - glad to hear you think that. i don't agree with you at all, but that's my opinion. that's what makes our country so great. you can have your religion, i can have mine. fun.
 
2002-08-12 03:15:23 PM
I'll never forget watching CBS when the first tower fell.

Dan Rather was yammering about something, who knows what, while the building crumbled. He just kept talking and talking and I was thinking "DAN! LOOK AT YOUR FRICKIN MONITOR!"

A few moments later, Dan stops musing to himself and says something to the effect of "We have received an unconfirmed report that part of one of the towers may have collapsed."

After we all watched it happen. Not the most impressive news reporting I've ever seen...
 
2002-08-12 03:17:08 PM
I don't actually feel that much different because of the WTC and Pentagon Attacks... I know some of you are going to flip out and start being beligerant, but it is the truth. I do think that the loss of life was tragic, and that attacks on a civilian population is monsterous, but as for personal feelings, not so much.

For all of you who did lose friends and family, you have my deepest sympathy.
 
2002-08-12 03:18:26 PM
The pics are amazing. That guy had some balls.
 
2002-08-12 03:36:25 PM
AssHull

hey does anyone know what the plan is for this coming 9/11?
is everyone off of work?
i work at home but if i had a boss who wanted me to come to work that day, i think i'd quit


Are you kidding? My boss and immediate project lead still can't understand why this bothers some people. I actually got chewed out for trying to follow the story that day.
 
2002-08-12 03:39:16 PM
I was living in Hawaii, but at the time it happened we were sound asleep. (East coast is 5-6 hours ahead of Hawaii time). Around 9 am my neighbor comes hysterically running to our door in her pj's and fluffy shoes and curlers in her hair yelling about how the twin towers were blown up. We had no TV, but pulled up the CNN website and wow . . . .unbelievable.
 
2002-08-12 03:39:18 PM
I'll admit I gave up reading all of the posts in this thread about halfway through - after all, I am at work. So forgive me if this is a repeat.

To all of you who think it's inappropriate for tourists to visit the WTC site, please understand that tourism isn't all "Disney World feel-good-stuff." there are many historical, yet serious tourism spots. The U.S.S. Arizona Memorial, site of the Battle of the Little Bighorn, the Alamo, Normandy cemeteries, Arlington Cemetery, Daly Plaza . . . .the list goes on.

Personally, I can't think of a time of more somber significance than my visit to the Arizona Memorial at Pearl Harbor. It affected me to a magnitude I could not have foreseen. Sometimes we need reminders of the cost of freedom in order to better appreciate it. On my next visit to NYC, please don't fault me for wanting to see the historic site where so many heroes fell. My visit will be one of respectful admiration and sober recollection.
 
Ant
2002-08-12 03:39:55 PM
I actually got chewed out for trying to follow the story that day.

Your boss is an asshole. My boss and I stood in someone's office for about an hour while the first tower collapsed. Anyone who expects something of that magnitude to have no effect on your productivity is a farking moron
 
2002-08-12 03:41:12 PM
I remember eating lunch at after 3pm that day since it was impossible to get out of DC. We rode across the Key Bridge near Georgetown and you could see the smoke shooting up from the Pentagon. People were just stopped on the bridge, using the fencing to hold them up as they cried.

At lunch, I watched as this lady in an Air Force uniform tried to sip her tea. She couldn't keep from shaking and as the tea cup got closer and closer it shook more and more.
Then she just collapsed., broke down, and her friends all held her up. I did'nt bother her or ask if there was anything I could do so I never knew that lady or her story.

At that point is pretty much when I knew that the American people, and our allies, were all in this together. We are not perfect. We are not flawless.

We are a great nation made up of great people.
 
2002-08-12 03:42:07 PM
Okay, I'm back! I think the shaking was due to lack of food. Now that I have had my fill, I will continue.....
The second plane crashes into the tower, we all were scared. We grabbed our stuff and in a calm orderly manner proceeded to evacuate the building. Out on the street it was chaotic, but it was a controlled chaos. Poeple were walking towards the SI ferry and the Brooklyn Bridge. All the foot traffic was moving away from the towers. All the vehicle traffic was racing towards them. Police, Fire and EMT. After twenty minutes on the street, we decided to go back up to our office, since we felt it was safe.
About five minutes after we get back into the office we hear a very loud roar. Someone yelled out that it was another plane. We all then took the stairs to the lobby. By the time we got to the lobby the building was covered in the plume of smoke and debris. We had no clue that the tower collapsed.
I am going to cut this short now. When I saw the towers burning, I was only thinking about the people who I knew were in those buildings. Since then, whenever anything bad happens to me or someone I know, I say, "It could be worse."
 
2002-08-12 03:42:29 PM
Thanks whoever posted this link. I didn't know the guy, but he was the father from the best friend of a poster on the same message board I was on last year... Very impressive, these pics.

Btw, I still have a 9-11 picture as my desktop. Sometimes I think it's been a long time and it's time to change it, but I never do.

 
2002-08-12 03:43:45 PM
When I went to work that day (AST), My boss put my on information detail. He used to work there. It was the only time at that job that I got to put my skills to work.
 
2002-08-12 03:50:21 PM
Slippy


DO they know it was real? It wasn't a made for TV movie???

I've thought about this extensively, and I think that for most people, the answer is both yes and no. They believe that it is real, but can't quite reach the same level of reality as the rest of us who were here to see with our own eyes what went on. It's not necessarily their fault, as sympathy and empathy can realistically only go so far; but there is definitely a difference.


Yes, the answer is yes and now, at least for me. This may sound sick, but I have to see the pics over and over again, just to prove to myself that it is real. I never got the pleasure of visiting the WTC, and now I never will. It never existed beyond description and pictures, much as Mecca might for me as well. So I have to see the film. I have to hear the "holy fark" of the photographer as they film. I have to hear the total strangers -- in New York -- screaming at each other in differently accented English, "What are those people going to do?"

It is that which makes it real for me.
 
2002-08-12 03:50:59 PM
Unterseeboot-

I just don't understand how you could have the same feelings I do - like you said, you live in a different country and in a rural area I assume, so how can you know how I feel in order to compare it to the way you feel in order to make them equal? Indeed, I don't know how you feel and can't compare, but I assume my feelings are deeper and stronger because I walked by the WTC almost every day of my life. So you may understand why I/we feel resententment to those who say they were deeply affected, when they go see the towers and mourn. I don't think that you're mourning in the same way I would, because you didn't know the towers or the people like I did. I'm not saying you didn't have feelings, or they weren't deep, I think ours were just 5x that. It makes me upset when you say "I feel the way you did," because you're saying that I feel like someone who didn't live here, and didn't see it with their own eyes.

I'm not making a direct comparison, but lets say your mother died. If a distant relative came up to you at the funeral and said "I feel the same way you feel," wouldn't you be upset that your feelings are being equaled to those of a stranger?

I'm not saying you don't have feelings about what happened - I'm sure you all do - just don't equal them to mine.
 
2002-08-12 03:53:10 PM
Thelelander: Well said. The comparison of New Yorkers and Nam Vets isn't altogether wrong. The "you had to be there" mentality when applied to most things is just a pompous affectation, but in the context of the WTC episode, it's quite appropriate.

I know a local news reporter (St.Louis) who got assigned to go up to New York and do a piece. When something like this happens, every city tries to hop on the coattails and work a local angle. St.Louis is notorious for that.

Anyway, this reporter went, saw and came home. I talked to him a couple days later and honestly, he looked different. He looked like he had aged 10 years. He wasn't smiling. His brow had furrowed. And mind you, he's in his late 20's.

He told me, "Ross, you know all the horrible pictures and videos you've seen? You know all the terrible stories you've heard? Forget them. You had to be there." His look valdiated that statement. He just walked away toward the studio.

I sit here and look at the pics and remember the adreneline rush I got when I watched the news. Then I try to imagine that feeling multiplied by 100. I can't. I guess I had to be there.
 
2002-08-12 03:53:29 PM
This photograhper ran towards danger just to get some pictures.

And, respectfully... the firefighters ran into the building just to try to put out fires. And the police ran in to try to save some lives. The photographer was doing his job, the same as everyone else that day; the job he more than likely loved. I'm not saying his actions were as heroic as the firefighters' or cops. I mean, I never knew the man but I believe that he was doing what he believed was his duty: recording events on film so that we who remain have a record of what happened.

And if he was a profitmongering asshat as many of you believe? Well, he paid for it. Either way.
 
2002-08-12 03:54:12 PM
I actually got chewed out for trying to follow the story that day.

Your boss is an asshole. My boss and I stood in someone's office for about an hour while the first tower collapsed. Anyone who expects something of that magnitude to have no effect on your productivity is a farking moron


Actually a scottsman, who fits the stereotype.

Wanna know what's more scary than that? He's the best boss I've ever had. Momma, don't let your kids grow up to be computer geeks because they'll be ready for the glue factory or the padded cell by age 40.
 
2002-08-12 03:59:18 PM
Ahhh... glorious sleep and then awakening to find Harmonia's mess has been removed.

FARK IS GOOD!

Anyway, Confabulat was talking about the CBS coverage of the collapse and I think during the first collapse I was watching NBC. Matt Lauer(sp) remarked something to the effect of "Did you see that? It just looked like a huge piece of the tower just broke off"
Now I'm by no means a journalist (Thank God) but even I... sitting at home on the bed after working a 12 hour graveyard... could tell the whole damn thing collapsed. It makes me wonder if they (reporters and on air personalities)even look at their monitors during things like this. Obviously, Matt and Dan were either reading from copy or needed their glasses.
As a sidebar, I noticed in the bookstore the other day that CBS has published a book detailing their coverage of that day and it includes a DVD of the whole day as it unfolded on CBS. I think it reatils at Books-A-Million for about $39.99.
 
2002-08-12 04:01:47 PM
Ni!

9/11, with the footage from Jules and Gidean Naudet. Jules Gaudet was the cameraman who caught the first plane going in.

The documentary made of their footage is amazing, and very tasteful. I watch it a lot -- to remember how good people can be. Also to see people functioning in a situation beyond what I could work in.
 
2002-08-12 04:05:09 PM
MrDark
"It just looked like a huge piece of the tower just broke off"
Now I'm by no means a journalist (Thank God) but even I... sitting at home on the bed after working a 12 hour graveyard... could tell the whole damn thing collapsed. It makes me wonder if they (reporters and on air personalities)even look at their monitors during things like this.


I think it's just plain denial. The only reliable news feed I could get was from the BBC World Service, and they were playing back a fragment of conversation between an on-scene reporter and ABC anchor Peter Jennings, and it went something like:

"Oh my god, the tower collapsed!"
"The front of the tower collapsed?"
"No, the whole thing collapsed."
"The building collapsed?"
"Completely. To the ground."

...ad nauseum. I know that I didn't believe it at first.
 
2002-08-12 04:09:36 PM
thelander- saying i wans't an american was sarcasm.

'I'm not making a direct comparison, but lets say your mother died. If a distant relative came up to you at the funeral and said "I feel the same way you feel," wouldn't you be upset that your feelings are being equaled to those of a stranger?'

i see what you're saying. but i think it's a lot healthier to understand and accept that everyone at that funeral would be feeling grief. I wouldn't feel the need to illegitmize that person's feeling, and i would feel grateful that they had shared what they felt. i think we're just different in that you need to own 9/11 more. i think it's weird that many newyorkers feel the need to say 'you can't possibly know how it felt.' kinda sad they can't just add to the shared stories and accept that we all felt horrible that day.
 
2002-08-12 04:11:24 PM
There has been a lot of talk in this thread about how people should and should not feel. Well.... everybody sees things the way the see them. I was close to it, I experienced it in MY way. Others who were close went through the same thing I did but were affected in a different way. Shortly after the attacks I spoke with friends all over the country. One thing I realised is that the level of anger vs shock and grief was in direct proportion to the distance the person was from NYC or the Pentagon or the fields of PA. Many I spoke to say they did a lot of crying. I did not shed one tear. I don't know why. I was close enough to it that I should have. I had images burned into my yes that took a long time to get rid of. Having said all that I think it is okay for anyone to feel what they feel about the attacks. Try to understand why it happend and then help to take action so this does not happen again. Anywhere!!!!
 
2002-08-12 04:20:28 PM
Another thing that haunts me is a short video clip someone took of a crowd of people...people of all sorts, crying and screaming as they watched the first tower burn. A few seconds later the second tower gets hit, and just the looks on their faces, when they thought it couldnt get any worse, its just horrible. Its been almost a year and i feel like it was just yesterday, i dont think a day goes by where we forget.
 
2002-08-12 04:21:24 PM
I think this is one of those things you'll tell your children or grandchildren about and they won't understand.. just the way your parents or grandparents told you about living through air raids and WWII or Korea.

I remember watching in stunned silence as the towers burned. I drove to work watching the smoke as I drove. By the time I got to work the first tower was about to fall.

I think stunned is the word that comes to mind. It was like looking at the world through a different lens.. and none of it was making much sense. People came into my store who had made it out of the buildings. Many never came in again. One photographer who lived next to the towers was on his roof with his camera as the second plane came in. He never got off a shot, he was so shocked he couldn't pick up his camera.

Another customer told me that when he got out of the building he ran as the tower was coming down. He and several others got underneath a truck to avoid the falling debris. He was the only one under the truck to survive.

I guess I thought I was handling the shock OK for a few days, but I think I was really avoiding thinking about things too deeply. Then, of all things, I saw Queen Elizabeth singing our national anthem and I lost it completely.

I can't type any more.
 
2002-08-12 04:24:15 PM
thelelander, I agree totally. People everywhere were affected by it in some way, but will never truly understand it, the way New Yorkers do.
I had a scheduled vacation to Rhode Island the weekend after 9-11. It was good to get away from the city, and just relax, and try not to think that the world was ending, or that my next breath might be filled with poison gas or anthrax. I can tell you, the people there knew it was a big tragedy, but it just felt like it was a world away. The people didn't truly understand the magnitude of what had happened, and how terrifying it was. When we would tell people we were from NYC, and were there when it happened, people asked us questions, and showed concern, but they will never ever know what it felt like, and how different our city is without those towers standing there.
 
2002-08-12 04:25:25 PM
On 9/11 I was sleeping in, at my apartment in Rosslyn which is around a mile from the Pentagon. I was in between jobs and was supposed to have a phone interview at 10AM with an employer so I had set my alarm for 9:45. Around 9:30 I was awakened by a low pitched boom outside. Almost immediatley afterwards I heard what sounded like every fire truck in the state tearing down Rt. 50. I have never heard so many sirens. My brother knocked on the door and said that he had heard an explosion and that now he was hearing dozens of fire trucks. He said the explosion was powerful enough that there was a shockwave that ruffled his clothes - the window was open. I still didn't realize what was going on and told him it was probably nothing.

My brother went in his room and turned on the TV, and then knocked on my door again to tell me the World Trade Center was on fire. I got up when he told me that. When I went in the livingroom and turned the TV on I saw a shot of the Pentagon burning, taken from the building across the street from us. I instantly realized what was going on - the country was under terrorist attack. To say I was scared s-less would be an understatement. I tried to call our mother but my hands were shaking so bad that I couldn't dial my phone. It didn't matter because all the lines were jammed anyway.

I grabbed my handheld police scanner and ran outside to a vantage point where we could see the Pentagon. The sight of the Pentagon engulfed in flames is burned into my memory forever. While we were watching this someone announced that one of the World Trade Centers had just collapsed. Soon after that I heard the Arlington County fire dispatcher say "FBI confirms two more airliners are missing, believed to be enroute to Washington DC." At that point we went back to our apartment and stayed inside. Of course, there was only one plane enroute to us, and it was Flight 93.

That evening I drove to my mother's house, 50 miles away. I got about five steps inside the door at Mom's house and just lost it - started crying like a child.

To this day loud noises like thunder and the sound of screaming sirens scare the hell out of me. I don't think I'll ever lose that fear.
 
2002-08-12 04:26:58 PM
TheCharlie "Then, of all things, I saw Queen Elizabeth singing our national anthem and I lost it completely."

I got chills when I saw that. That was one of the things that really made me cry.
 
2002-08-12 04:29:29 PM
Truly awesome pictures. It really makes me remember how utterly terrifying September 11th was. Sure, I wasn't in NYC, I was in the middle of a small town in Indiana. A small town that was almost adjacent to one of the largest stores of the chemical agent VX in the country.

Anyway, that morning at school, I was patrolling the hallways as usual, when I noticed a huge crowd literally spilling out of my science teacher's classroom. I peeked my head in the door to see a video of tower one with a huge hole in its side and smoke pouring out of it. I could only hear snippets of audio, one of which being, "accident." I shook my head, my parents were hobbyist pilots, and from years of flying with them, I knew it would be very difficult for this to be an accident. Sure enough, a minute later, my fears were confirmed. "We have reports coming in that the plane may have been hijacked." After that, as we all probably remember, the rumors started coming in left and right. This place has been hit, this place is on fire, this place has been bombed. We were scared out of our minds. Just when we thought it couldn't get any worse, an announcement came over the intercom. All teachers were to turn off their televisions. It was time for our annual standardized testing. Standardized farking testing. For the next three and a half hours, we were deprived of any and all information as to what was going on. We were just supposed to fill in the circles like good little boys and girls.

When the testing was finally over, everyone rushed to the closest TV they could find. The first words we heard were "Army Chemical Depot." Every single person in the room gasped in fear. I won't ever forget that sound. We thought the aforementioned VX store was being talked about on the national news. Thankfully, it was just a local news feed interviewing one of the heads of security there.

In the end, nothing did happen in my small town. However, the fear of possibility still remains fresh in my mind. Maybe it's my own way of connecting myself to the disaster.
 
2002-08-12 04:30:52 PM
Unterseeboot
A close personal friend of mine lost her husband to a heart-attack a few years ago. He was 34 years old when he died. It was, to say the least, traumatic. I wanted to help her because basically we had grown up together. So I read a book about helping others through times of grief and it said quite clearly, "DO NOT try to identify with the person grieving." Even though you might have the exact same feelings or the exact same history, you are not the owner of his or her grief. It's true. I think I helped her more just by telling her I would help her any way I can and letting her deal with it her way.
The people of New York seem to be a tight community. They get a bad rap as being off-putting and disinterested in others... but in the days after 9/11 these people shared something that I in Tennessee and You in wherever you are could not possibly imagine. The had walked in the shadows of the twin towers on sunny days and stared at their distant lights at night. They watched their kids stare at them in awe and amazement the first time they ever saw them and felt that pang of amazement themselves from time to time. They, like their citizens, were New York.
Then it was over. The towers were gone. Entire Police, Fire and Emergency Crews were dessimated and 2,823 of their citizens were dead. I can't imagine being a New Yorker and not owning some piece of that day. If you feel offput by the reaction of some New Yorkers to 9/11, you gotta understand what was lost to these people and their children... as a city! Don't try to put yourself in their shoes. They are still grieving, they are still tired and they are still coping.
 
2002-08-12 04:38:42 PM
nicely put mrdark- i don't try to put myself in their shoes. just an observation of human nature.
 
2002-08-12 04:41:40 PM
i stay away from television...internet was pretty clogged that day. i did not see the towers being hit. i did not see the collaspe. i just knew it happened. i did not want to see it. i was not interested in feeling it.
as i was walking home (from work, we all left) with my friend we both felt sick. just sick.

the vast majority of my family, extended included, are located in new york and DC or somwhere in between. once i got word that everyone was accounted for i calmed down quite a bit.

later that night i was trying to convince my father, over the phone, that nuking the middle east was not the solution. he asked me if i saw what happened. "don't talk to me again until you see what they did. go to the bar down the street, have a beer and watch what they did. then we will talk."

so i did. i drank two beers as if they were water and the way i felt about what i saw is not for this thread.
 
2002-08-12 04:41:49 PM
Smooth,
I hear you. A couple of weeks ago a storm came through downtown NY. None of had seen the weather forecast so we were not expecting to hear a thunder clap. The first one did not sound like thunder because it was just a big boom. Like a bomb, not the usual rolling thunder. I went to the window to see if something happened on the street. Before September 11th, 2001, that would never have happened.
we are still nervous around here but the further we are removed from the attack the less panicky we are.
On a side note to what Cowboy said above. I was out west(OR) a couple of weeks ago and we met some people from Iowa who were visiting relatives. When they heard I was from NY and that I was in the city that day, they sort of let out a little gasp of shock. As if they were hearing I lost a loved one. With the obligatory, 'I'm sorry to hear that.' Follwed by, 'What was it like?'
 
2002-08-12 04:43:18 PM
does anyone else feel like its september 2001 again? after reading these, i totally got into a trance, i told myself i was going to read most the posts on here but im short on time. From the few ive read, ive gotten the chills over and over again, relive and rethink, your stories are amazing
 
2002-08-12 04:49:53 PM
I completely agree that I cannot begin to fathom how the average New Yorker felt that day -- close friends who were there described what it was like, but the secondhand nature of their accounts can't compare to living in their skin.

However, you have to realize that as Americans, we were all deeply affected that day. In one way or another, in our own personal ways.

Two of the planes were headed to San Francisco, where I live. *Our* fellow Californians died on those planes. People we had gone to school with, worked with. I worked in the financial district at the time, and walked by the Transamerica building every day before and after 9/11. I think I hurried past most of the time.

I truly feel for the citizens of New York, but please keep in mind that DC, Pennsylvania, and other places were *directly* affected as well. Every month it seems the Golden Gate Bridge is under "heightened security alert". Every week, I jog by National Guardsmen toting M-16s at Fort Point at the foot of the bridge. America is a different place now, for all of us. Sadly, that unites us more than we'd hoped, I suppose.

Reading a lot of these posts has brought tears to my eyes more than once, as has looking at the pictures. Not sure if any of us know when that will fade.
 
2002-08-12 04:51:10 PM
Unterseeboot
Sorry about the put yourself in their shoes comment. I started out talking to you and somehow felt like I was suddenly talking to a room full of people about something I feel very passionate about.

In short, I started rambling. Sorry.
 
2002-08-12 04:52:42 PM
Monkeypants:

Someone asked

I provided
 
2002-08-12 04:56:31 PM
Knowing that im one of the younger farkers on here (18), I'd like to compare my 9/11 story to what was probably very similar to when you heard JFK was assassinated. I was sitting in my 3rd Period Journalism class when the principal of my high school got on the PA system and announced that there were terrorist attacks in NYC and that a plane had been flown into one of the world trade towers. At that given second, the whole school with all 3000 people in it, grew ghostly silent. No one had any clue what was going on (being in classrooms at all). I quicked hopped onto cnn.com because i figured that would be the quickest way to see what was going on, i called my teacher over to show him stills of the towers, and the class soon followed him. There we were 30 students starring at the most powerful image we'd ever see in our lives. We didnt have Vietnam, president assassinations, air raids, etc. It was the most chilling thing to have 30 teenagers who had felt invisible untill this point... looking over my shoulder at the images. The bell rang shortly after and everyone filled the halls which were the most silent i had ever heard them. Tears and hugs were everywhere, and the sound that will never leave my head... of the CNN broadcasters voice pouring out the doorway of every classroom you walked by. I can still hear it to this day. We werent sent home, but all remaining classes were optional, and they had live broadcasts in our cafeterias and auditoriums untill our normal release time. This story isnt as "breath taking" as most the others, but one thing we all have in common is the initial sight of the trade towers, the sounds, sights, emotions etc. Residents of NYC were talking about how the way the air felt that morning, how the sun looked, and the blue sky. Believe it or not, i remember that exactly what youre talking about, even living 5 hours from NYC.
 
2002-08-12 05:03:27 PM
Factory81k, yes, the thread is giving me chills.

Re: Many posters on "You had to be there", I agree, but don't devalue someone else's experience because they were not. Unlike Viet Nam, there was no warning, no numbing of the senses, little edititing to prep people. I guarantee you that no one who lived through Kennedy's assasination will say you had to be at Dealy Plaza to experience it.

But the only written account that truly carries the shock that New Yorkers must have went through to me is right here. If you don't read the whole article, just read the last paragraph. It leaves tears in my eyes and me more than a little shakey. Even though I wasn't there.
 
2002-08-12 05:09:38 PM


Nostradamous my ass.
 
2002-08-12 05:19:24 PM
Phil are you sure your not Bevets? Just because people helped each other after some arabs crashed planes into major buildings doesn't mean that help was divinely inspired or whatever your attempting to insinuate. If a few 747s crashing into buildings and people caring restores your faith in humanity you have issues.
 
2002-08-12 05:32:19 PM
I think ThePhil has a right to come away from this thinking anything that brings him peace. It doesn't have to work for you.
 
2002-08-12 05:40:08 PM
Wow, I had a whole post ready but Mrdark pretty much summed up exactly why it's different. Bravo. Thank you. A few other clarifications.

Educated's post is an excellent example of the way I view the tourists at ground zero. "we ALL were damaged that day" - clearly - and my entire point is that the wound is deeper for some than others, in particular those who live in downtown New York. The way that post is written it's apparent you have no concept of that. My original point was the sickness I felt knowing that many people will watch the 9/11 anniversary not because they still have pain that needs healing, but for the human drama. I assume that most of the 9/11 anniversary stuff will take place in NY, so I'm pointing out that the greif everyone is going to see (from widows, etc) will be much greater than the greif they themselves had, and to not buy into the drama and the close ups of CNN zooming in on the fireman holding a flag, with a tear rolling down his cheek as America the Beautiful is played. I'm not sure what you sould do, just be aware of how the media takes a sad situation and tries to make a buck.

Mrdark was dead on with the greif part. I truly had no idea how terrified people in DC were because most of the attention was on the WTC. Reading through these posts I see that.

I'm not bragging about pain here, I don't even know why anyone would ever do that. Just saying that the greif you'll be seeing on 9/11/02 will be very different than the greif you experienced (more for some, less for others - we all took it differently).

SuburbanCowboy- have you been participating in the online discussions that the LDMC has been holding? ie listeningtothecity.com? It's almost over now but it was a good oppertunity for new yorkers to clear their mind about a memorial and the new WTC site, to people that actually have influance over what the site will look like. You can read through the threads if not.

Whatever you all feel, thinking about it and talking about it has made me feel a lot better since I looked at those pics this morning. Fark rules.
 
2002-08-12 05:40:36 PM
Another link to a different story on Bill Biggart. This one from MSNBC/Newsweek. A little more in-depth story behind the story stuff. What a guy.
 
2002-08-12 05:42:27 PM
Remembering back the news reports I remember being severely peeved by some of the reporters. Maybe this was just me, but did it bother anyone that almost immediatly as the story broke Dan Rather and other anchors began telling those 'late to work' stories? I remember most the one about the girl who wanted a sandwich and the mom was late to work because of it. Yes this was a good thing..but did they have to tell those immediatly? Couldn't they wait? ..I hate to seem callous..because I'm not, I think.
 
2002-08-12 05:43:36 PM
While it's not a deep emotional story such as those here, September 11th definitely had mixed impact on the rest of the country.

I was in a 2nd period journalism class (actually, it was newslab during school, but same thing)at the time. I can't remember who found out about first, but we dropped everything and watched the tv for the rest of class. Later in the day, a few of the GAFFers (those who Give A Flying Fark) deciced to hold an optional prayer ceremony for anyone to attend. This is a public high school, so it may have not been the brightest idea, but even as half-Christian (Jesus maybe, religion no) I saw the need for it. Of course it was dominated by Christian prayer, being composed of middle-class white kids mostly.

A big fuss was raised by the mother of a Jewish kid who attended. The whole thing was about innappropriateness, unfairness, and unsensitivity. I just wanted to give her a good one in the breastbasket. Sure he may have felt a little left out, and I'm sorry for any real grief he experienced, but his mom is one of those biatches who fights for the rights of other people who aren't being infringed. It's not like anyone said "Jesus will help us through this time, so you Jews are f*cked," they were praying solely to God 80% of the time, who just happens to be the God of the Jews and Muslism, too. And besides, when you go to a school that's had a maximum of 6 black people attend in one year, you need to expect a prayer ceremony held on 9/11 to be Christian in nature, if not completely and over the top.

Some people are just good at ignoring the big picture and looking at their own I guess.
 
2002-08-12 05:52:22 PM
thelander: it's spelled 'g r i e f '
 
2002-08-12 05:54:30 PM
I work for a company who's #1 customer is CitiGroup, who as some of you may/may not know has around three great big building, especially One Citibank Plaza, in the New York area. Also, a branch of Citi, Salomon Smith Barney, had most of their offices destroyed in building 7.

That day started relatively early, as is the case around here. Business as usual, rushing frantically to get the day's workload done, and it was in one of those eras where we were completely swamped and working 14 hour days.

Then the news came, and suddenly all the work didn't mean anything anymore.

The entire office, all 80+ employees, were glued to the TV screens, trying frantically to call our points of contact on the seventh and eighth floors of Citi. I don't remember exactly when the official evacuation was given, but I remember hearing of some people that stood staring out the window of the building, wondering what the hell happened, only to see the second plane. One person hesitated in the evacuation because she wasn't sure where she'd prefer to be: out in the open on New York streets or locked inside a potential target.

I didn't lose anyone I know, but I have business contacts that did. I find myself worrying about people, people that on a normal business day I can't stand to talk to and curse their name, and how they were doing. Situations like this unify people to the point that the only enemy remaining is those that actually caused it.
 
2002-08-12 06:17:13 PM
I didnt say the help itself was divinely created, its just evidence that we have a soul deep down. We have a love for each other that, tho it only manifests in the worst of times, is powerful and definitely divinely created. To believe a brotherly love like this evolved from animals and bacteria and space dust is a little too crazy for me. I definitely see love as a divine gift.

Bevets mostly shows up on evolution threads. I take over for him on the other ones. :)
Personally, I like the guy.
*highfive for bevets!*
 
2002-08-12 06:26:03 PM
its amazing how a few photos can bring back all the sorrow and pain of the tragic day. I'm glad to see them again so to not forget that the enemy wants us dead.
 
2002-08-12 06:30:33 PM
We all have the choice to embrace victim status or work through it and eventually get way over it.

You cant and wont and dont want to forget, but you can make the choice define your life on your terms, and not in terms of 9/11.


Our world was rocked, no doubt. But how long it keeps rocking because of 9/11 is up to us.
 
2002-08-12 06:32:35 PM
thelelander, yes. i agree. some were more affected personally ... you, clearly, were more affected personally than i. but this is not a contest, so . . .

"The way that post is written it's apparent you have no concept of that. My original point was the sickness I felt knowing that many people will watch the 9/11 anniversary not because they still have pain that needs healing, but for the human drama."

this is exactly why i will not be watching the 9/11 anniversary. I can not stand the idea of people profiting (money or ratings) off of this. i certainly will not contribute to it.
I apologize for the way i must have come off for you to write the above. i assumed you were in the profiteering business (emotional) and you assumed i was in the bandwagon business (dumb shiat, liberal commie, total ass, etc). i meant no offense, as i am sure you did not. respect and acknowledgement all around.
 
2002-08-12 06:39:06 PM
BigBob
Hey, great idea here guys: let's honor this guy's death by posting some pandering masturbatory drivel by a no-talent hack like, I don't know, Alan Jackson? Oh wait, someone beat me to it.

The lack of class never ceases to amaze me



Regardless of your opinion of Mr. Jackson's talent BigBob, you should know that the reason I posted it was not for honoring the death of this photographer (That post consisted of 3 letters). But rather my honest attempt to get this thread headed back in the direction it had been going before it was derailed by inflamatory remarks and pictures of dead children. Many of the posts that were up prior to mine have been removed, for that I am whole heartedly grateful, even if it leaves my small offering to peace a bit out of place.
 
2002-08-12 06:46:06 PM
 
2002-08-12 06:48:55 PM
Rbuzby

Our world was rocked, no doubt. But how long it keeps rocking because of 9/11 is up to us.

Well, I hope the mods will leave this in place, because it touches on the political, but I think it is germane to the thread.

Our world wasn't "rocked," it was kicked over. Hard. And the ramifications are still rumbling through the whole world. The U. S. and many european countries have put in place draconian restrictions on civil liberties. We tend to think on a wartime footing. Few people snicker at "flag wavers" any more. The U.S. got (and, regretfully, pissed away) goodwill from countries ranging from England to Cuba, Australia to Iran.

We simply don't exist inthe same "universe" we used to, and the change from one to the other was unthinkable "before."

As for the 9/11 anniversary, while profits are a motive, what happened was history, and it is worth a look back. The CBS compilation of the Naudet footage was both impressive and tasteful, things I thought I'd never say about a current CBS production.

Doubtless there will be pontificating and pompousness from the likes of Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, Dan Rather, Peter Jennings, Dan Rather and Andersen Cooper, but there will be news, too. We've changed a lot. Some guy stands up on a plane and tries to say "This is a Hijack--" and he's gonna get pummelled into his component cells before he gets any further. That wouldn't've happened before. Even in europe, where they've had a far more unpleasant history of hijackings.

So it's a fundamental change. Hopefully not too much of a change, because, IMHO, we're hurting ourselves as much as we're hurting "the enemy."
 
2002-08-12 07:03:12 PM
Wow, my last post was deleted.

I guess this is special time.
 
2002-08-12 07:03:29 PM
08-12-02 12:53:17 PM BigHonky

BigHonky,
I can't believe there was no SLAYER, Frank Zappa, or Dead Kennedys songs on that list.
 
2002-08-12 07:22:37 PM
Wallowing in it is not good and only makes certain evil people happier everyday .
 
2002-08-12 07:36:24 PM
I haven't seen Bevets in a while, thats probably because I don't read comments that often though. I just think that this whole dance party of self pity needs to end, your letting the turban warriors win the game.
 
2002-08-12 08:04:31 PM
Regardless of those who think wallowing in self-pity is letting the terrorists win, there is a legit reason for talking about things like this. It's a way of working through any grief/issues still surrounding 9/11. If any of you guys who think talking about 9/11 is a bad thing actually have the nuts to put everyone on a timetable for dealing with their grief... please, enlighten us. Date and time would be nice.
 
2002-08-12 08:06:03 PM
Rbuzby, must be nice to not have a soul.
 
2002-08-12 08:12:50 PM
jesus christ
 
2002-08-12 08:13:23 PM
Sing it with me:

This is the thread that never ends.
Make a message, type and send.
Some think the picture man was nuts.
Cause the building squashed his guts.

This is the thread that never ends....
 
2002-08-12 09:05:05 PM
Looks like I'm not too late on all this.

My husband and I were getting ready to go out hiking - I was in the shower when he comes pounding on the door, yelling at me that "they" had bombed the WTC and the Pentagon. It was around 11am central time. I nearly killed myself trying to get dressed and down to the TV. We spend the day glued to the news, couldn't eat, couldn't sleep. I cried more than once, and he did too - At the time he was still officially a cop, even though he was out on a back injury. He said, more than once, that he felt like he knew the officers that had died because they were the kind of cops that he was. There is no doubt in my mind that if we had lived any closer and/or if his back hadn't been farked up that he'd have been in the middle of that place inside of a day. It was killing him to not be able to do anything. Hell, he was ready to go back into the army.
Later that night we heard a jet fly over. We knew that all planes were still grounded... it took a few seconds to remember that we had F-16's flying patrol over the area. I remember being pissed that these farkwad terrorists had made me afraid of airplanes.

A week later we had an afternoon thunderstorm crop up while we were both asleep. I woke up thinking that it sounded more like morters or explosions. I lay there wondering if I should wake up my husband, but I didn't. Turns out he was thinking the same thing I was but didn't want to scare me.

We still have our gear ready for a bug out (It's also ready for a hurricane, we're practical geeks). I get choked up frequently over something I see or hear. I have my usual American flag on my badge for work along with an NYPD 9 11 badge.

And to top it all off, am I the only person who picked this out of FOTR? I mean, I about came unglued when I first saw FOTR and heard this. It still makes me choke up, big time...

Frodo: I wish the ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happned.
Gandalf: So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.
 
2002-08-12 09:06:05 PM
Goddamn dentist's office trips. I go in to get a farking wisdom tooth pulled, a series of x-rays shows I have a BB sized chunk of calcified stuff in a sinus. Never did get the wisdom tooth pulled.

Anywho, now that I'm off my high horse and back to reality, these are powerful images. I suppose I'll be talking to the grandchildren about that day in history.
 
2002-08-12 10:20:18 PM
I know some of this may have been said before and that some of this may p*ss people off, but here goes:

I like the story. It is a good story. It is not a sad story. What I like most of all is that the word "hero" is not mentioned once. That is what makes it real. To have called him a hero would have been wrong and detracted from the amazing pictures. He was photographing heroes. He wasn't helping. I would like to know the rationale he had for not helping these people. I would think that being a human being would outweigh being a journalist in a situation like this, but, obviously I am wrong.

To paraphrase Bobcat, "If you ever see me getting covered by a falling building, put down the camera and come help me!"
 
2002-08-13 01:13:22 AM
This has been one of the most interesting threads I've ever read, moderators censoring notwithstanding....
 
2002-08-13 01:44:41 AM
I wouldnt know.
Hysteria has never been my bag.
 
2002-08-13 02:00:19 AM
This is gonna make me sound completely naive, but I honestly figured that a computer error or some such thing was responsible for the two aircraft hitting the World Trade Center (when I first heard the news). Even after the word "terrorism" was first mentioned on television, I didn't think it could be a correct analysis -- I just didn't have any idea that people could be so evil. These were unarmed, defenseless civilians, after all. I honest-to-God thought it was a bug in the software or somthing akin to that. The bad news is that... yes, there are people out there in the world who are just this evil.
 
2002-08-13 06:43:31 AM
Some posts on FARK from that fateful day:

09-11-01 09:11:59 AM Mme.Mersault
Someone is going to get nuked.

09-11-01 09:12:34 AM Arcaist
*Two* planes crashes in *both* of the buildings? What's that, a terrorist attack??

09-11-01 09:16:32 AM ExcessiveForce
Unsane...all those people.
I agree with Mme.Mersault, but I'm not sure we'll nuke the right people. :/ There's no such thing as too much force.


09-11-01 09:17:13 AM Squinth
Man, this has to be intentional. How could the second pilot NOT see all the smoke and shiat?

This is horrible.

Squinth :(


09-11-01 09:20:34 AM Jaxomlotus
I SAW it happen on my morning commute. I'm shaken.


09-11-01 09:21:39 AM Monkyman
This is so completely messed up.
One of my co-workers sisters work in that building.


09-11-01 09:23:44 AM Bluefenderstrat
This is farking unbelievable. Bin Laden? Whoever did this must be killed.


09-11-01 09:24:35 AM Mme.Mersault
Osama.


09-11-01 09:26:37 AM Mungo
Mme: I actually doubt it was Osama - the Afghans know the kind of shiat they'll get if it's pinned on them - but it will be some religious extremists, you can bet that.


09-11-01 09:26:49 AM Mme.Mersault
People on the top floors are dead.


09-11-01 09:28:35 AM Mme.Mersault
Bush is going to speak at any moment. This should be good.


09-11-01 09:29:57 AM Sensate
Jaysus. I used to work there, in the S. tower. I'd have been dead.

Let's just make sure we get missile defense. As long as we have that, nothing will hurt us. (repeat)


09-11-01 09:30:29 AM Squinth
Significant date? Good question. I have no idea. Farfetched: today's date is 911.


Trading on the NYSE, etc. postponed indefinitely.

This is horrific.

G.W. is on live now, will report in a few.



09-11-01 09:31:20 AM Mme.Mersault
Bush:
"Apparent terrorist attack"
"Hunt down and find those folks who commited this act."



09-11-01 09:33:52 AM Corporate Mofo
I can see the towers from my office building. The pictures don't do it justice. Smoke--thick black smoke--is billowing from the top floors of both buildings. The news says hundreds of people have run out and are flooding lower Manhattan. I work above Penn Station, and my entire office is around the TV in the reception area.

The entire top sixth of each tower is engulfed in smoke. It looks like each plane may have taken out 20 floors in each tower. People above that will be trapped. They're unlikely to collapse, since they're built pretty strong. I pray to God for whoever's still in there.



09-11-01 09:34:35 AM AzraelBrown
Be proud, Fark - with the major internet newsfeeds down, Fark is my source for news on this :)


09-11-01 09:35:09 AM Mungo
Sensate: Yep, this kind of proves that the missile defense system is a crock. When a nuclear bomb destroys NYC, it won't be delivered by missile, it'll be delivered by UPS.


09-11-01 09:36:31 AM Sicksock
Holy Farking shiate!!!

Dubya's gonna open up a can of whoop-ass on who ever did this. Nothing like a little Texas justice to boost your approval rating.


09-11-01 09:37:49 AM Blackvampyr
For once, I think I'm glad that we have Bush in office. Oh, and I want to go home now.


09-11-01 09:40:04 AM AzraelBrown
Just reported: possible explosion at the Pentagon...


09-11-01 09:40:25 AM Monkyman
Your ass better be kidding


09-11-01 09:40:36 AM Qambient
its just been reported there was an explosion at the pentagon.



09-11-01 09:40:38 AM Redbull_(UK)
We are getting reports of a third plane hijacked.
Are you getting this ?????


09-11-01 09:40:46 AM Sicksock

Manhattan has been sealed off!?!?!?

This is gonna be interesting.



09-11-01 09:41:13 AM Henchman
Before we go off half-cocked, I want our agencies to get ALL of the facts. How many people yelled "nuke Iraq" before we discovered that one of our own bombed Oklahoma City?


09-11-01 09:41:38 AM Mungo
From the Telegraph:

It is believed one of the aircraft was a United Airlines 737 twin-engine plane carrying 150 passengers.

There are fears the towers could collapse due to structural damage.


09-11-01 09:42:03 AM Bloodypulp
One Jet was a united and the other was American Airlines


"September 11, 2001, a date that shall live in infamy"
Sound familiar?



09-11-01 09:42:04 AM Fb-
I hope we nuke those sand n1gg3rs back to hell.


09-11-01 09:42:24 AM Skullgrin
anyone heard anything about a fire at the pentagon? CNN has a braking news bar about it at tyhe bottom, but isn't reporting on it...


09-11-01 09:42:39 AM Drew
However keep in mind it's early in, and that details are generally farked initially


09-11-01 09:42:57 AM Slippy
I surrender.

Heard about it from coworkers as I walked into the office this morning, and spent about five minutes looking for something on the news sites - found 'em all farked, as noted.

Shortly after that, I remembered that we can see the towers from our building...and sure enough, gigantic plumes of smoke right out the top of the towers. Frightening.

Find who did it, and nuke the farking shiat out of them. I'm not a violent person, and frankly think that our little skirmishes with countries like Iraq are bullshiat. But this is uncalled for.



09-11-01 09:44:04 AM Albert

ITS TIME TO FACK SOME PEOPLE UP!

WE WILL TAKE 1000 LIVES FOR EVERY AMERICAN LIFE LOST!



09-11-01 09:44:09 AM Drew
One radio station just reported the pentagon is in flames. Part of it anyhow



09-11-01 09:45:25 AM Bluefenderstrat
We are at war!!



09-11-01 09:45:42 AM Drew
NPR was talking to a guy IN the Pentagon when it happened



09-11-01 09:46:42 AM Overlord
CNN says there's a fire on the Mall (the main road headed up to the White House).



09-11-01 09:47:55 AM Corporate Mofo
We going to war?


09-11-01 09:48:12 AM Stebain
Major important buildings are being evacuated... (Sears Tower etc....)

I'm a bit nervous, my wife works in the Headquarters building for the USAF



09-11-01 09:49:35 AM Thepostaftermeisgay
good god. i worked last summer at Martin Progressive in the WTC 2. kill now. kill quick.



09-11-01 09:49:45 AM Dr.Washuu
I just woke up to this, here, and all I have to say is that if this is some ass-backwards arabic terrorist crap, we aught to have nuked them back into the stone age in '91 in the first place, and we should definitely do it now. Those bastards aren't ever going to stop with this crap until they get (insert here:that stupid square mile of land in the desert they want, total religious domination), and, as we won't ever meet their expectations, we should just remove them entirely. They sound like children throwing a tantrum, and when the tantrum kills innocent people, the child needs a permanent spanking.

Yeah, so it's too early to be PC. Oh well.


09-11-01 09:49:57 AM Yawgmoth
holy shiat dood...i was not expecting that headline before walking out the door...shiat, I really don't feel like going to class now.
And when i get to work, I'm not gonna biatch at all. shiat....replay of the second crash. sucky as my life is at the moment, I'm really, really, happy to be here.
I'll never forget this moment.
 
2002-08-13 06:58:01 AM
09-11-01 09:59:56 AM AzraelBrown
A large chunk of the WTC just collapsed


09-11-01 09:59:58 AM Overlord
Massive explosion in Tower 2. -- CNN



09-11-01 10:00:05 AM PacMan
Holy shiat! One of the towers just collapsed live on NBC.



09-11-01 10:00:22 AM Obscene Pickle
I think the second tower may have fallen
09-11-01 10:00:46 AM Jaxomlotus
obscene - no it didn't
09-11-01 10:01:27 AM Jaxomlotus
oh my bad - it did



09-11-01 10:01:39 AM Mungo
Here in the UK we're getting transcripts through of people phoning from the tops of the WTCs. They're getting cooked up there.



09-11-01 10:01:41 AM EggYolkEnema
oh my farking god, the whole building collapsed!



09-11-01 10:01:51 AM NexR
Get war out of your heads people. There is no one country at fault for this. It one or more terrorist organizations united in a common effort. I'm not going to start beating the war drum. Who would we declare war on? Its a thousand people responsible at most.



09-11-01 10:02:14 AM Sgamer
something in the second tower just exploded....smoke EVERYWHERE...might be farking biological! :(



09-11-01 10:02:31 AM Patron
its crumbling
09-11-01 10:04:04 AM Henchman
The whole skyline is being obscured. You can barely make out anything below the fire on the remaining tower.



09-11-01 10:04:10 AM Blackvampyr
NexR - very true. However, in the heat of the moment we all say stupid stuff. For example - nukes are not the answer. the fallout from them that many people would want would affect the world. it'd punish everyone for something 1 group did. That's worse than the events of today.



09-11-01 10:06:08 AM FuzzyMonkey
Squinth- *big hug*

Dude this is so farked, i'm in midtown ny. insane.
Can't type, shaking.



09-11-01 10:06:10 AM Jaxomlotus
Arabs in palestine are dancing in the streets right now



09-11-01 10:08:14 AM Shugos
watching CNN/NBC

South Tower of World Trade Center just collapsed. CNN's calling it a third explosion. All Airports in US are CLOSED. People are jumping from the WTC tower. Treasury, White House, Capitol evacuated. People with automatic rifles are keeping civilians out of Lafayette park in washington.
09-11-01 10:10:38 AM Holyman887
my god... i'm at school right now, just by city hall in philadelphia. we're being called down for an assembly pretty soon. i'm thinking about getting away. PLEASE people, update this with the newest info, i'm relying on it. thanks.
09-11-01 10:13:09 AM Grumman
Fox reports Capitol hill explosion



09-11-01 10:13:48 AM Thepostaftermeisgay
i am in class at college right now...and this teacher is teaching how to make a graph in MS Excel. im th eonly one shaking and looking funny. god help us all.



09-11-01 10:14:49 AM Wallythecat
Why is anyone suprised? We can go off and bomb whoever we want but when someone has the nerve to attck us.... It's all out WAR! No one seems to mind that there hasn't been a war on american soil since the civil war, yet all the other wars in all the other countries just gets a shrug and is dismissed entirely.... Innocent people are killed all the time. It's just happening to us this time. Get over it...



09-11-01 10:15:39 AM Toxie
Stebain:
Only significance I can think of is that it's 9-1-1 day. But that's so silly it has to be a coincidence.
 
2002-08-13 10:53:14 AM
So what are you all doing for 9/11 this year?
 
2002-08-13 11:26:14 AM
One of the things that upsets me the most is all of the disabled people that were not able to use stairs and were left behind waiting at an elevator. To think those people had no choice but to 'wait out' their fate, instead of being able to do something, just pains my heart. Of course, all of it is painful but I believe that each and every victim is at peace.
 
2002-08-13 11:59:58 AM
Rbuzby
So what are you all doing for 9/11 this year?

If I could, I'd be riding a big-assed passenger jet, touring the airspace of as many big cities as possible, fist in the air in proud defiance.

As it is, I'll be at work, business as usual, which is probably the next best thing.
 
2002-08-14 11:55:32 AM
reading eceryone's experiences here has made me cry...

i was reading metafilter when i found out about the attacks. the person that posted the link said that the WTC was in chicago. i flew to the tv. i remember posting furiously on mefi anytime anything new was on the news.

when the pentagon was attacked i started pacing and crying and freaking out. i tried calling my dad. he lives right outside of dc, and he works for the government in maryland. since i have no idea what his schedule is like and what way he takes to work, i had no idea if he'd be alive or not.

i called my mom, and my grandparents to see if they'd heard anything from my dad. i left him 5 or 6 voicemail messages at his office. he finally called me back a few hours later and said that everyone in his building had been shut up in a room there to protect them, and he didn't even really know what was going on.

i didn't go to any classes that day, since i wasn't leaving my apartment until i had heard from my dad. none of the teachers cared that most of their students hadn't showed up that day.

it looked like what i imaged the end of the world looking like
 
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