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(Some Non-Waiter)   How much do you tip in U.S. restaurants? Is 20% the new 15%?   (waiterrant.net ) divider line
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2007-03-18 08:59:49 PM  
Tipping doesn't exist in Japan, which is too bad because the service here is more genuine and better than almost anything in the US. People have a sense of duty and people with jobs far worse than waiting take them seriously. If you even tried to tip they would steadfastly refuse it.
 
2007-03-18 09:00:18 PM  
Now, does anyone here tip for take-out service? I think that's a little ridiculous. I throw my change in their basket. At these high-traffic restaurants, especially trains, it's like free income that I'm taking out. I'm not taking up any space inside, I'm coming in and getting it, but they have their damn tip basket out.

Anyway, typically 18-20% for acceptable service. And I refuse to go to Applebee's anymore with friends who insist on paying $6 for their half-priced $5 appetizer and a water. If you're a regular, you have to tip more than that.
 
2007-03-18 09:00:30 PM  
It's very easy. Figure out 20% (which even a Down syndrome patient can do), and then round up to the next dollar. That's it. Unless the waitress is flat-out rude (incompetence does not count), that is what you do.
 
2007-03-18 09:01:21 PM  
wow, "chains" not "trains". I guess using the term "high traffic" farked me up.
 
2007-03-18 09:01:29 PM  
ska: Do you realize how many people in here are full of shiat? I've worked nothing but tipped based jobs in my life. I'd say 95% of people are lousy tippers, and my expectations for tipping are rather moderate compared to others I've worked with.

At a certain point, wouldn't you have to believe that its your expectations, and not the behavior of the tippers, that's the problem? If 95% of people aren't tipping to your standards, you'd probably be better served by lowering your standards (or changing jobs).
 
2007-03-18 09:01:31 PM  
At home: 15% for good. 20% for outstanding.
On the road: 20%. Usually for two reasons:

1) It's not my money (per diem).
2) I'm too blitzed to figure out 15% in my head.

Besides, it's like other people here have said: what comes around goes around.
 
2007-03-18 09:01:40 PM  
How much do I tip the chef? Considering he did all the damned work, I'd like to toss 'em a buck for doing a good job. The server just carried it to the table.

I carried quite a bit of shiat from place to place working retail. Nobody ever considered dropping me a $5 for hauling their equipment from the back of the store to the front of the store.

If I bring you your new computer monitor, served on a nice bed of lettuce would I get 15% of the sale for it now?
 
2007-03-18 09:01:40 PM  
Tipping less than twenty percent sometimes makes waiters angry, then some times a twenty percent tip makes them light up. Anything much over twenty percent is right out if they are male because they can usually tell I am gay and interpret that as a come-on and then we both end up all pissed off.

I really wish they would just ask for the real farking price up front and not make everything into a major vacation in drama queen city.
 
2007-03-18 09:02:02 PM  
All those that say 15 percent is tough to figure out. Here in California the tax runs about 7.5 to 8 percent so just double it to get your roughly 15 percent tip.
 
2007-03-18 09:02:20 PM  
Tipping in itself is stupid. The restaurant should pay a decent wage, the prices should reflect that wage, and that's that. That way I can look and decide beforehand if I'm willing to pay that amount, not feel forced to give a tip at the end of the night.
 
2007-03-18 09:02:28 PM  

2007-03-18 08:58:09 PM Pxtl

Bill Frist

Those of us who live in first world countries have minimum wages that actually apply to all disciplines, including waitstaff.


a) Your country is more of a protecorate of the US than a real country in its own right

b) I'm merely stating the facts and correcting the misinformation that was spread. I'm not condoning the practice of paying waitresses 2 bucks an hour, but that is the reality and people should tip based on the reality in US restaurants, not based on what they wish things were like.
 
2007-03-18 09:03:31 PM  
h0t5auce: We had a lady come in every day for lunch and order a salad and diet Coke. Her bill was always about $7.80. She'd leave $8. Every week day. Twenty cents isn't worth the effort to get her a refill and ask if the meal is okay when my other 4 tables have a better chance of paying off.

Your $2-3/hour is what's worth the effort to get her a refill and ask if the meal's okay. That's called "doing your job".

Getting paid not nearly enough for the job? farking quit and stop biatching about it.

In Canada, everyone gets at least min wage. And, having worked close to min wage at jobs where I couldn't get tips, I have zero sympathy.

If the service is "okay", they get squat. By "okay" I mean they weren't directly rude, didn't ignore the table for a half hour, etc. Any of those happen, and I'm speaking with the manager.

If the service is "good", and my drink is refilled (if there's free refills) within 5 minutes of going dry, and the service is prompt and friendly, I'll tip 10-15%. They're not just doing their job, they're doing it well.

And I'll tip more if the service is outstanding.

But for bare minimum drudge work? Screw that. It's your job to be nice, polite, take orders, ferry food and drinks. That's the bare farking minimum. Would you tip a teller for cashing a cheque? Would you tip a cashier for checking your items out? No.

Tipping is for service above and beyond. Not for just doing your job.


As for you guys in the US, if your wage is reduced because of an expectation of tips, why the hell aren't tips legally required? And why are your wages reduced in the first place? In Canada, minimum wage + tips. And our restaurants can afford it. Without being noticeably more expensive. If yours can't, they're either incompetent, or screwing over their employees.
 
2007-03-18 09:03:46 PM  
ska: Do you realize how many people in here are full of shiat? I've worked nothing but tipped based jobs in my life. I'd say 95% of people are lousy tippers, and my expectations for tipping are rather moderate compared to others I've worked with.

Sounds like you need to get a different tip based job.

When I was waiting tables I got pretty much what I expected. However, I'm sure that bellhops and other tipped jobs that don't have a "price tag" are a different story.
 
2007-03-18 09:03:48 PM  
15% is the new 15%. If I get crap service I tip less and don't go back (unless it is a large party and they are running like a chicken with its head cut off, then 20-30%).
 
2007-03-18 09:03:53 PM  
I have worked for tips. I round up to the nearest multiple of 5 over 15%. meaning if a 15 percent tip = 4 dollars, i leave 5. If it's 6 dollars, i leave 10. And yes, i leave at least 5 bucks even if i'm just sitting down for a few cups of coffee.

Unless the service somehow pissed me off, in which case i leave a (hidden) nickel... or just leave without paying.
 
2007-03-18 09:04:38 PM  
I usually give 20%. It depends though. I've given a $5 tip for a $5 check.
 
2007-03-18 09:04:43 PM  
I generally give between 0% and 30% depending on service. If the waiter is being a flat out dick (only happened once or twice in my life), I won't tip. If they're extremely friendly, attentive, responsive, et cetera, I'll hit them for 30%.

Merit-based pay for the win.
 
2007-03-18 09:04:53 PM  
15 to 25 %, depending on the service

My dad tips poor service especially well as he figures they will soon be unemployed. Weird, I know, but it is true...
 
2007-03-18 09:05:09 PM  

2007-03-18 09:01:40 PM Lamune_Baba

How much do I tip the chef? Considering he did all the damned work, I'd like to toss 'em a buck for doing a good job. The server just carried it to the table.


Remember, waiters tip OUT the other staff including the lower members of the kitchen staff who do most of the work.

Not the chefs, but the chefs get a MUCH MUCH MUCH higher wage.
 
2007-03-18 09:05:11 PM  
Action Replay Nick: One thing I REALLY hate... and you can always tell too... is when a server picks up your food from the kitchen, KNOWS it's not right, and still brings it to you, and doesn't mention that they think or know it's not right. That's an assholish thing to do, I tip those people like shiat, 5-10%.

Last week when everybody's food but mine arrived, the waitress apologized and said mine was overcooked so she ordered the cook to make another. It took quite awhile as I watched my companions eat, but when my meal finally arrived it was perfect and she again apologized. She got 20%.
 
2007-03-18 09:05:25 PM  
40 years old here and I can NEVER remember tipping less than 20%. I can hear my old man chirpin' at my mom, "just drop the last number and double it!" and move the decimal point, I would always think, but if I ever said that after his 7-10 Miller Lites, it would be my ass.
 
2007-03-18 09:05:30 PM  
sponkster: All those that say 15 percent is tough to figure out. Here in California the tax runs about 7.5 to 8 percent so just double it to get your roughly 15 percent tip.

Which brings up the question:

Who tips based on price + tax, vs just price?
 
2007-03-18 09:05:38 PM  
i tip horribly a lot of the time

because the service is often just brutal...I seem to be getting a steady stream of waitresses that look like they could be hot after 20 beers, but can't take 2 orders without forgetting one entirely and screwing the other one up

i do tip well occasionally, for example at an AYCE sushi restaurant I tipped about 30%...but then again I spent 2 hours eating continuously with great service.
 
2007-03-18 09:05:45 PM  
I tip 15% if I had good service. I tip a minimum of $3 when I'm eating a meal (a bowl of Pho and some rolls are only about $8...). If the person behaved like a human, looked me in the eyes while I spoke, and aknowledged me as more than just a task, sky's the limit.

If someone gives me shiatty service, I'm happy giving them a buck for a $100 meal.

/I tend to tip ever so slightly higher at places which I frequent.
 
2007-03-18 09:06:05 PM  
I hate tipping. I really do.

I'm not rich.

Listening to you guys talk saying you must tip the server 25% of your bill, well you know what? I would rather just not patronize the restaurant AT ALL.

Think about it. My bill comes. I immediately have to pay 29%. 14% is in taxes, 15% is in tip. If alcohol is involved, there is an alcohol tax that drives it up too.

I realize the taxes go to the government, but as a customer your tip, is a cost on top of the taxes. I have been to places where you have to stand in line for food, and to pay, and there is a mandantory tip surcharge on the bill. For what is a glorified upper end cafeteria.

America is the country with more people in debt than any other. Maybe you should think about whether your big tipping 25% plus taxes every time you eat is part of the problem.

Those old people who don't do that, that's the generation that was debt free.

Pizza delivery used to be free. Now there is a 'delivery surcharge' on the bill, and the driver expects a tip.

Hey you know what? Why don't I just walk down the street and pick up the pizza so I don't have to pay either the surcharge OR a tip?

Or maybe even to the supermarket and get a pizza that is even cheaper!

farking abolish tipping. Pay the wait staff a regular wage, same as the rest of retail.

Tipping is a stupid stupid stupid stupid custom.

If I opened a restaurant I bet I'd have good business every night if I had a sign in the window that said 'no tipping here please'.
 
2007-03-18 09:06:31 PM  
My husband's a hell of a good tipper - 20-25% most of the time. Leaves the maids $15-20 a night when we're staying at a hotel. One heck of a nice guy and yes, a gentleman.

Ladies, never, ever marry a man who is extremely stingy about this kind of stuff, especially if he's suddenly a good tipper when he's trying to impress someone or only spends money on things which give the outward appearance of success. He'll be a selfish bastard in countless ways and to a degree which you never thought possible. Trust me on this one.
 
2007-03-18 09:07:38 PM  
Anywhere between 20%-50%. I'm in the industry and understand.

And that shiat DEFINATELY pays off. I eat at a sushi joint every monday with anywhere between 2-6 friends. We have the same waitress who we HOOK the fark up. Last time I went out with 2 other friends the waitress snuck us 3 kiraf's of sake and 4 rounds of jager bombs.

With all the sushi and beer I drank along with the 3 more kiraf's of sake we actually paid for my bill came out to $16. I left her a $40 tip.

So yeah. Tip well and ye' shall receive!
 
2007-03-18 09:07:52 PM  
I usually do 20%, sometimes more if the person was really good.

I guess part of me sitting there is just thankful i have a good job and dont need to work at a bar or restuarant so i share.
 
2007-03-18 09:07:59 PM  
For average service it's 15%, for bad service is slides down in 5% increments.

For very good service it's 20% and sometimes more.
 
2007-03-18 09:08:00 PM  
12% for typical service. 15% for great service. 20%? what are they smoking? For that I'd expect a blow job along with my meal.
 
2007-03-18 09:08:15 PM  
Lamune_Baba

You also made an actual wage working retail. Waitstaff make far less than minimum wage because it's expected that they make up the difference in tips.

You can send the chef a tip via the waitress if you also tip the waitress. If the food was really top notch you could tip the waitress and ask her to bring out the chef to thank him in person - which would mean more to him than just the money.

Also, chefs don't make less than minimum wage.
 
2007-03-18 09:08:19 PM  
ska: Do you realize how many people in here are full of shiat? I've worked nothing but tipped based jobs in my life. I'd say 95% of people are lousy tippers, and my expectations for tipping are rather moderate compared to others I've worked with.

Wow; that's really bad. Wow. Dude, even I was able to make enough money to get me through college off of tips. I worked my ass off, bussed my own tables, made my own drinks, and tried to make sure everybody had a good time.
And I was compensated, sometimes handsomely, for it.
Serving ain't rocket science dude.
Get a new job, preferably one where you don't interact with others.
 
2007-03-18 09:08:37 PM  
I tip extra, because I know some of you cheap bastards go to the same restaurants I do, and I really don't like seeing the waitstaff turn over every 2 weeks.
 
2007-03-18 09:08:37 PM  

As for you guys in the US, if your wage is reduced because of an expectation of tips, why the hell aren't tips legally required? And why are your wages reduced in the first place? In Canada, minimum wage + tips. And our restaurants can afford it. Without being noticeably more expensive. If yours can't, they're either incompetent, or screwing over their employees.



ALLOW ME TO REMIND EVEYRONE AGAIN THAT TIPS ARE, INDEED, OFTEN REQUIRED

In most restaurants an 18% or 20% tip is automatic gratuity on any large parties.

That is because too many cheap skate assholes like you people try to screw people over on a regular basis.
 
2007-03-18 09:09:09 PM  
I tip based on two things:

1. if they keep my drink full without me asking - water, wine, beer, etc

2. how hot they are
 
2007-03-18 09:09:22 PM  
I only tip if the server is good.

If you treat me excellently, and who knows how high the tip can be? ... at a restaurant at marco island in florida, we were at a seafood restaurant and the waiter was amazing. I couldn't decide if I wanted a king crab or a lobster, so the guy gave me half of each. It wasn't on the menu and he even let me try both before I decided (and I still couldn't pick which one I wanted more). Because he was a huge help to me and to the rest of the people I was treating, I gave him a 35% tip. Everyone ordered a ton of food and the restaurant was top notch, so it goes without saying that he made a lot of money that night.

However, this woman at another restaurant in florida had us waiting for 30 minutes before she'd take our order. When we tried to flag her down she wouldn't notice us. She chewed gum noisily when she was taking our order - like some kid from the 70s. She was a complete failure at being a waitress. When I didn't leave her a tip, she looked at us like we were criminals. Well, maybe you should be a better waitress, eh?

Anyway, my point is, I don't follow the "Standard" I tip what they deserve to be tipped (at least, from my perspective)
 
2007-03-18 09:09:53 PM  
I try to tip 25% .. on occasion I've given 50% for great service (given that I had the money to spare) .. I've been a waiter in the past and watched old people count out the pennies to 10 - 15% and said "I can't wait to come back here, the service was excellent!"
 
2007-03-18 09:09:59 PM  
I tip everyone and tip well because you never know when you are going to get run over by a truck and at least this way people will say "he was a good tipper."
 
2007-03-18 09:10:05 PM  
mmagdalene

Ladies, never, ever marry a man who is extremely stingy about this kind of stuff, especially if he's suddenly a good tipper when he's trying to impress someone or only spends money on things which give the outward appearance of success. He'll be a selfish bastard in countless ways and to a degree which you never thought possible. Trust me on this one.


Haha...good advice. Never marry a man without money and likes to show it off, because that's all that really matters.
 
2007-03-18 09:10:40 PM  
This tipping custom is lame, just give us the price and be done with it.

If we don't like your service, we won't come back. Welcome to capitalism!

I admit I tip well when the service is good, shush. But the whole tipping idea is bad.
 
2007-03-18 09:10:46 PM  
Thorak

No, not everyone in Canada makes minimum wage. I know this from experience, I worked at a pizza place for 6 months (I made about $3,000 total). The new minimum wage increases still don't apply to everyone.
 
2007-03-18 09:11:11 PM  
15% for average service.
+5% for low cleavage.
+5% for a nice butt.
 
2007-03-18 09:11:13 PM  
Tipping is sort of a strange custom. It's like a required tax.

I still tip though, especially if I plan on coming back.
 
2007-03-18 09:11:40 PM  
I've never been a waiter/server, but I want to rant about something.

I find it really annoying when I go out with a group of people and we all get a meal, and then collectively try to pay our bill/tip [usually in cash, but not always]. it seems like there is a tendency [depending on who you're with, of course!] to not take ownership for the tip. I try to take accountability in these situations, at any rate, but typically when you have ~6 people and tip is not included in the bill, it's rare that anyone is going to pony-up and make sure the waiter/waitress gets a good tip if he/she provided really good service. meh, group mentality sometimes.

I can't be the only one who's noticed this.

/bugs me
 
2007-03-18 09:11:48 PM  
LavenderWolf: You also made an actual wage working retail. Waitstaff make far less than minimum wage because it's expected that they make up the difference in tips.

That the government has allowed this, without also adding legally mandated tipping laws, only means the government is screwing you over.

See my post above. In Canada, the prices aren't that much higher, our servers get minimum wage, and tips. There's no damn reason for the way it is in the US except to screw the servers.
 
2007-03-18 09:11:49 PM  
I don't go to fancy places much, but I've noticed the last few times when I have been to a fancy place, the waiter will take your order, bring you your food, and you'll never see them again until you get the check. In those situations, I tip them a buck for each person on my check they served. Otherwise, it's 20%.
 
2007-03-18 09:11:53 PM  
I tip 15% on the total (that includes the tax), and I round up to the nearest dollar. I figure that brings it to somewhere in the range of 16-17%. I'm too broke to tip 20. Perhaps when I stop being a broke-ass student, I'll start paying extra for good service. For now, 15% is my limit.
 
2007-03-18 09:12:19 PM  
No one ever cares about the dishwashers though, who work just as hard, if not harder, as anyone else. I had to deal with waitstaff throwing dishes at me without scraping them off, which was part of their job. I made a measly 6 bucks an hour while the waitstaff brought in upwards of $100 a day --twice what I made, and tax free. Theres also the hostesses that make $8 an hour and the hardest task they have is rolling silverware...must be nice to be an attractive girl.

Dishwashing sucks. Sucks even more in a breakfast place, where you have to deal with melted cheese, eggs, and grits that wont come off. Everyday you leave with a new set of cuts on your hands. Oh, gotta love hauling trash and mopping floors as well, and the whole time you're sopping wet, which earns you a nice case of crotchrot. You learn quick to wear crappy clothes, since theyre gonna be nasty when you get home.

Not saying tipping is wrong, but there are other people in the restaurant that work very hard as well and don't get nearly as much as waiters/waitresses.

/has worked too many dishwashing jobs...
//sunday mornings...never again...
///yes, i have eaten off other peoples plates.
 
2007-03-18 09:12:23 PM  

Hey you know what? Why don't I just walk down the street and pick up the pizza so I don't have to pay either the surcharge OR a tip?


You SHOULD go do that i fyou are too cheap to tip. I myself am to cheap to pay high restaurant prices and tip on a regular basis and I DO go pick up the pizza myself.

Did it take you this long to figure that solution out?

The rest of your rant is flawed because you dont' seem to realize that you would still be paying roughly the same amount if tipping didn't exist. The price of the meal would simply increase to allow the reasturant to pay a decent wage, Eintstein.
 
2007-03-18 09:12:30 PM  
vwfst55

Ha! I think that's about the same criteria I use.
 
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