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2001-07-06 11:37:43 AM
FARK needs to start doing running totals on China instead of Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are amateurs compared to the Boys of Beijing.
 
2001-07-06 11:42:13 AM
I don't think there is any way for FARK to be able to actually keep up with the "Boys of Beijing"... they are just too fast with the ol' bullet in the head.
 
2001-07-06 12:15:20 PM
I love when the Chinaman comes a-knockin' on my door.
 
2001-07-06 12:15:26 PM
So why is Europe complaining about our SINGLE Timothy McVeigh execution?
 
2001-07-06 12:16:47 PM
I guess the demand for organ transplants has been pretty high recently.
 
2001-07-06 12:19:05 PM
Why does Europe comlain about Timmy's execution? Because US politicians listen to them. Chinese politicians don't give a damn what anyone thinks.

I wish the US was more like that sometimes...
 
2001-07-06 12:20:45 PM
who cares, there is enough of them left
 
2001-07-06 12:22:42 PM
Talk about population control. I assume they feel that this fight against crime will cover up the real issue. Too many people in one place! 1st limiting the number of kids a person can have, now executions. Granted some of those criminals probably deserve it, but damn! Ruthless!
 
2001-07-06 12:25:10 PM
France Surrenders (had to be said... sorry)
 
2001-07-06 12:31:29 PM
Ancient Chinese Secret:

BOOT TO THE HEAD

Sorry had to say it
 
2001-07-06 12:32:51 PM
Talk about ruthless, they even charge the family of the executed the cost of the bullet they shot them with. Man that's cold!
 
2001-07-06 12:48:59 PM
I think the rest of the world should adopt the one child policy.
 
2001-07-06 12:50:27 PM
"We kill more people before 10 am than most people do all week." Sheesh! 1781 executions in three months. That's 19 farking executions every a day!
 
2001-07-06 12:57:47 PM
Sure, except the rest of the world wouldn't follow it. People in civilized who do stick to two children or less do it out of discipine, and common sense appreciation of economic reality. Third World retards have 30 because they know they won't have to pay for them. Send them out to work, sell them, or get some screen time for one of those stupid 'save the world through your coffee money' charities.
 
2001-07-06 02:32:51 PM
Less children = less minivans.
Less minivans = less middle aged yuppies driving around totally oblivious to everything around them
Less middle aged yuppies driving around totally oblivious to everything around them = less aggravation


What's the problem with that?
 
2001-07-06 03:25:25 PM
British: "So why is Europe complaining about our SINGLE Timothy McVeigh execution?"

Two reasons:

(1) What Skwidd said -- The US will listen, China won't.

(2) The US is starting to open up economic talks with China, despite the fact that the Chinese government violates the civil rights of its citizens on a regular basis. It's a message to the US. "We're heading to a global economy. If you ever want to be a part of the EU, you'll have to consider your political stances and your economic allies."

Skwidd: "I wish the US was more like that sometimes..."

I am COMPLETELY opposed to capital punishment, but what sickens me almost as much is that people wait 7 to 12 years for their execution. The appeals process and the judicial process is so slow. I think we shouldn't execute people, but if we're going to do it, then we should take note of the Chinese system. The gavel comes down, the blindfold goes on, the bullet goes in. (People should have appeals, but let's actually do them quickly.)

Torquemada: "Third World retards have 30 because they know they won't have to pay for them."
"I think Jelloboy was a good dilution to Lumpyclaus's endless moralizing."

You know how much of your tax dollars goes to helping third worlds children? NONE!!! All the aid that America gives to third world countries goes to the governments or foreign companies. Unless you give directly to charitable organizations, then you've got no right to complain.

As for why the citizens of third world countries tend to have more children than those in industrialized nations. It has to do with (1) the absence of decent medical care for abortions, (2) the complete lack of availability of birth control devices, (3) the strong presence of the Vatican in these countries, telling them that abortion and birth control are wrong.

Most of the citizens of third world countries have much greater senses of loyalty and family than their contemporaries in industrialized nations as well. Ever been to a third world country? Entire families live in shacks, taking turns sleeping because on roach and rat-infested floors because there isn't enough floor space to fit all the bodies. They stay together, though. The only time I've ever seen or heard of a mother giving up any of her children in one of these nations is when she had the opportunity to give the child to someone from an industrialized country, just because the child would be better off.

But, once again, you'd rather shoot your mouth off about something you don't know squat about, just because you'd rather believe the simple-minded, slick-talking idiots rather than actually form your own thoughts. Do a little research. Go live in squalor for a while. Go live in a starving African village, then come back and tell me what it's like in third world countries. Go live in the projects in an American inner city, then come back and lecture me about the welfare state.
 
2001-07-06 03:37:21 PM
sheesh, who put the quarter in Lumpy this time?
 
2001-07-06 03:39:10 PM
So why is Europe complaining about our SINGLE Timothy McVeigh execution?

Because it is popular and "trendy" to bash the United States and the evils of Capitalism lately.
 
2001-07-06 04:32:24 PM
Demosthenes wins the prize!!!
 
2001-07-06 04:39:56 PM
Lumpy, I have to take issue with one of your statements there. The vatican does not cause large families in the third world, nor does the non-availibility of abortions.

Lack of education and civility causes it. Or, more directly, excessive farking. Any civilization that is poor, non-industrialized or argriculturally based produces large families. America used to be like that too. So did China, until they brought in the government to regulate birth rates.
 
2001-07-06 04:40:44 PM
Word to the wise, if you are visiting in China.....don't fark up and break the law........damn....
 
2001-07-06 04:56:58 PM
Pathighgate: Are you saying that people in 3rd world countries have more sex than people in industrialized nations? I'm inclined to completely disbelieve this.

Humans are animals. We mate out of season, we use cultery, but we're still animals. As such, we eat, we crave shelter and we screw. We get serious physical urges which are very difficult to ignore. (Ask any teenage boy, he'll be happy to tell you.)

If you believe that people in industrialized nations are better at ignoring these urges, think again. We screw just as much as everyone else. But think about what it's like for someone living in a 3rd world country:

You're very poor. Your life is hard and unpleasant. Someone comes along who looks very knowledgable. This person is smart, educated, kind and clean. This person give you food. This person helps you. This person also says that the things that he has given you are nothing in comparison to what awaits you when you die. You really want that reward. You agree to live your life as this person tells you, to get that reward. This means no birth control. This means no abortions. This also means no masturbation to alleviate the urges. This also means no sex that is not strictly heterosexual intercourse. You've got these urges, and the only way to alleviate them is to have straight, unprotected intercourse. The likelihood of pregnancy is much higher there than it is in an industrialized nation. When you also do away with the abortions, the total number of unnecessary births go up.

Imagine if every abortion resulted in a child. Imagine if just 1% of all instances of oral sex, mutual masturbation, masturbation, or anal sex resulted in a pregnancy. Imagine how many children would be running around the industrialized countries then.

The Vatican may not be the sole cause of the high birth rates in the third world, but it is one of the largest contributors.
 
2001-07-06 05:12:03 PM
It pains me to say it but I agree with Lumpnuts. Although I am not against Roman Catholism it is a contributing factor in less "enlightned" cultures. However, economics is the major contributor to over population in most countries. Economics determines the level of medium education and access to medical care required for birth control.
 
2001-07-06 05:20:09 PM
Back on topic. Eventually the world will have to do something about China. The current regime is beginning to resemble the Nazis in 1930's Germany. Expansionism, persecution of religions and desidents, and state sponsored murder. There should be no Olympics in China. The major world powers should stop all trade with China. China sells arms to our enemies and the enemies of freedom. Economic isolation should be the first alternative, and if this fails, then military intervention.
 
2001-07-06 05:34:21 PM
LumpyClaus: "But, once again, you'd rather shoot your mouth off about something you don't know squat about, just because you'd rather believe the simple-minded, slick-talking idiots rather than actually form your own thoughts. Do a little research. Go live in squalor for a while. Go live in a starving African village, then come back and tell me what it's like in third world countries. Go live in the projects in an American inner city, then come back and lecture me about the welfare state."

Go try heroin too! And go try finding another way to accomplish worthy ergo lofty goals without empowering an unthinking, uncaring and all-consuming government to steal EVERYBODY blind of their freedoms and property. Then come back and lecture us.

Have a nice trip, Lumpy.

Feh.
 
2001-07-06 06:03:24 PM
Walljasper, do you mean the projects where everyone has cable?
 
2001-07-06 06:08:52 PM
Lumpy:

I think the problem is in our two different ways of thinking. I won't argue the fact that human beings are, by their nature, sexual creatures, and do have sexual urdges.

But from what I gather from your last post, the assumption is humans can do nothing to quell these urdges, and the Catholic church is somehow forcing them to hump like bunnies because the moral restrictions they impose on the poor uneducated masses.

I patantly disagree. One of the little beautiful things about mankind is that we are able to transcend the inprinted animal instincts for the sake of loftier goals. If I am hungry, and a weaker man has food, my instincts might be to steal that food. Generations of social conditioning have removed that instinct from me compleatly. I have evovled to accept the ideals of equity, fairness and ownership because it provides for a more civil world to live in.

Industrialized nations have, to an extent, shown a strong capacity to overcome acting out on every sexual desire. Men and woman are able to postpone sexual gratification in the hopes of acheiving more self satisfying goals, and seem to be OK. Women and men know not to go out and screw whoever is around whenever they get the urdge, because they might want to wait for true love, or they simply might not want to risk desease or an unwanted child.

I don't think humans are helpless creatures under the force of our sexual instincts. And I don't think there is any question that we can stop those urges, or channel those urges into other activities. But the impression I get from you is, in the third world it's impossible.

Are more valid question is not weather or not we CAN control our sexual urges, the question is weather or not we SHOULD. Now that we have the technology to allow sex with little fear of having to responsibly deal with the reprocussions--condomns that prevent desease, pills that prevent pregancy, abortions that illiminate unwanted pregancies--I would guess that the popular secular answer would probably be no; why deny ourselves?

However there is a different school of thought, one I subscribe to, that suggests sex should be more then just a casual encounter. I'm not going to lie and say that ethics and morality are not playing a part in my conclusions, but I can say that I see some very compelling arguments behind those ethics and moral docterns, insofar as a more reserved, controled and selective sexual life leads to a generally higher level of well being and emotional quality of life.

Now, going back to the orginal item of discussion, of weather of not the Catholic church is the CAUSE of high birth rates in the third world. No, once again, farking is the cause of high birthrates. People were trying to have the largest families they could long before the Catholic church even existed. I more accurate statement would be that the Catholic Church is one of the largest obsticals preventing the birth rate in the third world to reach the natural decline all civilizations experience when they become more industrialized and educated.

In that capacity, I see your reasoning. But if somehow we kicked the church out of the third world, dotted the countryside with abortion clinics and airdropped cases of condoms, I don't see how that would improve the quality of life for those people. I would rather send doctors out to the third world to treat illness then to perform abortions. I would rather send teachers out that provide literacy then instructions on the proper use of a condomn. And, yes, I would rather see preists out there promoting a moral and just lifestyle then not.
 
2001-07-06 06:12:07 PM
Farkeater. I agree with you about China. I don't see any reason to help them become more powerful when their government seems to have no intention of improving the quality of life for their people. All trade will do is give them more outside resources to exploit, abuse and control their citizens.
 
2001-07-06 06:13:58 PM
...and for there humanitary efforts they should be given the
opportunity to host an Olympics.
 
2001-07-06 06:56:56 PM
Pathighgate: you know you're in for it now, don't you? Expect a 3 page diatribe from Mr. Woe-Is-Us.
 
2001-07-06 07:13:13 PM
why would Europe attack their communist brothers in China?

Europe is full of communist states waiting to happen.
 
2001-07-06 07:15:27 PM
Actually, the more I think about it, the more this question is gnawing on me. Perhaps some of the folks outside the U.S. could give me an answer.

Why DOES the U.S. get attacked so much by the international community while China is more likely ignored, even though they do far worse things then us?
 
2001-07-06 07:31:19 PM
Pathighgate: No secret plot, but because we're an open society not too afraid to air our dirty laundry, and when we ARE, we have ferrets in quality news organizations whose job it is to find out stuff. No matter how much we're irritated at each other, the West collectively still is interested in what's going on in all its component nations. Look how the 4% of Brits on Fark are so riotous and loud over events in the States!

China? It won't be covered because most people outside of China don't really care. It won't be covered in the internal market because of repression and sheep-like cowed people who are too afraid to care and who don't really know how to live in a free society. Tiannemen showed what happens if you get out of line.
 
2001-07-06 07:32:31 PM
"The campaign is nothing short of an execution frenzy, a huge waste of human life".

Hell, LIGHTEN UP! They don't have any runningbacks, racing up and down the field with a football for maybe two minutes total in each game, who make more than the entire budget of China in a year. The Chinese gotta have some kind of entertainment! Besides, they've got plenty of cannon fodder to fill the demand. I say let them have their fun. We make up for it over here with asshole drivers causing fatal car wrecks. Tit for Tat.
 
2001-07-06 07:32:52 PM
Cause North America is a scapegoat for every bad thing that happens in the world.
 
2001-07-06 07:41:03 PM
Does that mean we can start an insidious campaign to shift all blame for all things to Canada? Maybe we can rotate blame every decade.
 
2001-07-06 07:55:07 PM
LumpyClaus:

I having lived in a third world and having family that are still in a 3rd world country say you both do not have a clue why people in 3rd world have so many kids.

The only reason why people in the 3rd world have a lot of kids are due to survivability. More kids mean a better chance for the family as a whole can survive. The culture in many countries is that you have lots of children so they can take care of you when you are older.

It has very little to do with the 1."The absence of decent medical care for abortions", 2. "the complete lack of availability of birth control devices", 3. "the strong presence of the Vatican in these countries, telling them that abortion and birth control are wrong.".

It is how they operate. Now I cannot state this is a fact for every 3rd world country but, based on my own experience of living in panama for 2 years and living in other countries that are consider 3rd world and my family, I would have to say this may also hold true to most of them.

The more children you have the more chance you the parent and the family will survive. It is ingrained in many cultures and was also the case at one time in this country.

This is one of the reason why china started doing forced abortions and limiting how many people could have kids, due to the fact of the culture believes in having a lot of kids. This may not be the case now but in the rural regions I bet it still is.

Your understanding on why the 3rd world people have kids is flawed; either it is due to your misconception of the culture of most 3rd world countries or due to your blindness to reality.

In order for people in the 3rd to stop having so many kids, there are many factors that need to me changed. The reasons you give are in my opinion are wrong, and I would only expect some person that has no worldly experience, that is to say people that have not left their state would say something like this.

And you attack on Catholicism as the cause of all the trouble in the 3rd world shows you lack of knowledge.
 
2001-07-06 07:58:17 PM
I really do need to reread the stuff i type.
 
2001-07-06 08:30:44 PM
Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is good, every sperm is needed in your neighborhood.

Over population is the result of economics. The sad thing is, that by intervening we just postpone the inevitable. If we feed the poor, they live to reach reproductive age and worsen the problem. In these third world countries it would be best to allow the famines and wars to decimate the people and then start fresh.

Free trade would eventually alleviate some of China's problems. Trade is not just in and of itself but a means to share ideas and cultures. How can China reform if it is shut off from the rest of the world. Trade liberates.
 
2001-07-06 08:47:23 PM
Okay, I'm really late getting into this, so sorry if it was mentioned.

I was always under the impression that 3rd world families had so many kids was because it's a widely-heald belief that more kids = more labour for on their "farms".

Nothing to do with church, or sex or what-have-you.
 
2001-07-06 09:48:46 PM
Yup more kids = more chance that family will survive, work on farm, help parents, etc... etc... i am not sure where lumpy got the idea about this church is part of the problem. Or where no abortion clinics is the problem,

The problems are the culture and government and economics etc.. of the majority of 3rd world countries. For these countries they need to change their system and belief before anything will get any better. But it is not going to be easy for a lot of them, due to warlords and famine and stuff like that, you know the little things
 
2001-07-06 10:27:43 PM


Beat down imperialism of American!

[parody of a defacement by Chinese hackers]
 
2001-07-06 11:31:46 PM
Damn,
Texas better put into gear if we are to ever catch up with
them little guys.
 
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