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2007-03-05 05:47:20 AM
They also need to stop after baby number 1.
 
2007-03-05 06:02:33 AM
Between this story, the other one in the link about the unemployed needing to speak english and Sinister Steve's idea, we may be on to something.

When can we enact all that here at home?
 
2007-03-05 06:03:43 AM
The government-commissioned report said cutting the age from 16 to 12 was needed as part of a major overhaul of welfare services.

So, I assume it is the usual thing to leave 12-year old kids alone in Britain? I think they have to be 13 to legally be left alone locally, so that could make sense, I guess.
 
2007-03-05 06:09:31 AM
so....what happens if she got divorced and her kids were 13 and 14? or the husband died or ran off on her? Just SOL?
 
2007-03-05 06:12:59 AM
could have to look for work once their child turns 12

That's just so farking sad it breaks my heart. Look how many women, single or otherwise, go back to work in 6 weeks to 3 months. My wife would have loved it it we could have afforded for her to sit home 12 years.
 
2007-03-05 06:21:56 AM
log_jammin

I hear you but there are communities where NOT having a father in the home is standard and seemingly acceptable.

This whole "baby daddy" mentality is very destructive.
I often meet guys that have children with several different women. Few of them can afford to even financial support these children much less provide the emotional support necessary to raise a well balanced child. Dead-beat dads should all be jailed, starting with piece of garbage P-Diddy.
 
2007-03-05 06:29:49 AM
ChairmanKaga: This whole "baby daddy" mentality is very destructive.

I agree. Just wondering if black and white rules like that are the best thing. Just seems like not everyone is going to fit the "I've been on welfare for 12 years and now I have to work..how sad for me"
 
2007-03-05 06:36:03 AM
Black and white rules work so long as you never punish the child.

The absentee father on the otherhand is fair game.
 
2007-03-05 06:37:37 AM
Prehaps it's time to bring back some old ideas?
 
2007-03-05 06:52:55 AM
ChairmanKaga: The absentee father on the otherhand is fair game.

absentee fathers need to be hunted down. I have zero respect for anyone who would do that
 
2007-03-05 07:32:04 AM
Eat More Possum

Look how many women, single or otherwise, go back to work in 6 weeks to 3 months.

That's a whole different issue. Here in Canada, full-time working women who give birth are entitled to get a year of employment insurance benefits (starvation wages, really) as if they had been laid off. Which in a sense, they were.
 
2007-03-05 07:42:46 AM
Sinister Steve
They also need to stop after before baby number 1.

Fixed that for ya.
 
2007-03-05 07:57:01 AM
Get a jorb
 
2007-03-05 07:58:10 AM
Yea...that Blair is a true american hero
 
2007-03-05 07:58:23 AM
my wifes pregnant and she is going to stop for about a month before the baby is born and go back to work a month after. shes only going to be working 5 hours a day monday-friday. even though shes not going back full time, every little bit helps. she gets paid on the oppisite week of me (both of us get paid every two weeks. so the extra 300-400 bucks every other week really helps.
 
2007-03-05 07:59:44 AM
That's all great and all, but maybe they also need to re-think a couple more economic plans than just "get the dead-beats off welfare" mantra.

Like making sure there are jobs for people available for starters....
 
2007-03-05 08:00:20 AM
I believe that if you are on welfare...

(1) All your financial transactions are disclosed and publically available. You spend the public money, the public gets to see what you spend it on.

(2) Mandatory birth control. Depo-Provera injections or Norplant for any female of child-bearing age who wants welfare. I also have no problem with vasectomies for men who choose welfare. Fair is fair.

(3) If you are on welfare and win the lottery (there are a lot of welfare recipients who play), you total welfare expenditures are deducted from your winnings. Payback's a biatch.

(4) I absolutely agree with absentee fathers (and mothers) being punished. They should be arrested, punished, credit marked, wages garnished. No mercy for the scumbag absentee parent.

(5) If the funds were available (and considering the billions we squander in Iraq... I think they could be), provide government subsidized child daycare and job training so some of these recipients can actually get off welfare and support themselves.

/Old job: Dealt with a lot of NC WIC and Medicaid recepients. There were a lot of people who genuinely needed assistance, however, there were a lot of deadbeats suckling at the public teet.
 
2007-03-05 08:00:44 AM
I think that in Europe though, women get months and months off with full pay...at least that's what I've heard.

Christ, check out sweden. It's enough to make me want to move.

http://www.apesma.asn.au/newsviews/professional_update/2001/june/paid_maternit y.htm
 
2007-03-05 08:02:35 AM
I know this is about Britain but the 'necks in the States who biatch about welfare mothers really don't have a grasp of what the government really wastes its money on or they would prioritize their biatching a little better.
 
2007-03-05 08:04:42 AM
Get married before having kids and stay married, right? Marriage doesn't work in this country anymore, so the kids get shafted while mommy and daddy are shafting/getting shafted by somneone else.
 
2007-03-05 08:05:02 AM
Shame that this story didn't originate in the U.S.
 
2007-03-05 08:05:16 AM
Espertron

Vasectomies for men? Thats harsh. Most people aren't on welfare forever. Besides, they have a contraceptive pill for men now.
 
2007-03-05 08:05:54 AM
Please remember, farkers, that not all single parents are women. There are plenty of good fathers out there who are NOT the deadbeats of the family. So be just in your criticism.
 
2007-03-05 08:06:52 AM
Mugato - ...but the 'necks in the States who biatch about welfare mothers really don't have a grasp of what the government really wastes its money on or they would prioritize their biatching a little better.

Agreed. Very well spoken, sir.

Just imagine what we could do with our society in terms of education, job training, child care and health care if we cut all the useless spending, get out of other countries (who don't even want us there to begin with) and, especially, get the fark out of Iraq.
 
2007-03-05 08:07:52 AM
Espertron

Totally 100% agree. Sterilization of everybody.

/Well, for those that want my tax money
//Co-worker had consult with vasectomy doctor friday
///He already has two kids, doesn't want more.
////OMG, Slashies
 
2007-03-05 08:09:31 AM
And remember, 'Arbeit Macht Frei'!
 
2007-03-05 08:10:07 AM
nomatophobia - Vasectomies for men? Thats harsh. Most people aren't on welfare forever. Besides, they have a contraceptive pill for men now.

There is currently no FDA approved contraceptive pill for men in the USA. None.

Yes... vasectomies are harsh. So is making children you can't afford and having to rely on other people's money to support them. Maybe if men know this was the consequence, they would think twice before dipping their wick.
 
2007-03-05 08:13:14 AM
bearloverhr

--Depo-Provera only provides 3 months of continuous birth control.
--Norplant provides 5 years.
--Vasectomies can be reversed in some cases.

Don't want a vasectomy, norplant, depo-provera? Then don't
use public, taxpayer funded money.
 
2007-03-05 08:13:18 AM
Oh good, someone else to feel superior to.

Why should *I* try to improve myself? I'll do it when those deadbeat, homeless, illegal immigrant, drug addicted high school dropouts do it.

/which, actually, will never happen to my satisfaction
//sheer coincidence, I assure you. No transference of responsibility here, nope!
///oops, almost forgot "Muslim"
 
2007-03-05 08:14:45 AM
While my family dose get WIC medicaid and tanf, I do work 30is hours a week and bring home a paycheck.(wife is fighing for ssi for a back injury and other items and oldest child has adhd and a host of other mental issues and recives ssi.
I dislike the people who go for the free ride of of these programs. As for the deadbeat and adsentee parent yes they should be made to help. but what about people in my area of that. i have a child with a old girlfriend who dosen't want a thing to do with me,(she left me just before the baby was born) me and my family tryed to give money and items to help with the bills and such but she wouldn't take the money or even return calls. She even went as far as telling the doctors when she had the baby and was doing the paperwork for the child that she didn't know who the father was. On top of the that she has turned to liking girls only and has move bout 6 states away and is living free on the state.
and every time i try to contact her to try and help with the child she just dose not answer me.
 
2007-03-05 08:14:48 AM
Dorothy Day: That's all great and all, but maybe they also need to re-think a couple more economic plans than just "get the dead-beats off welfare" mantra.

Like making sure there are jobs for people available for starters....


In most areas there have been more vacant jobs than unwaged people for years. With the arguable exception of social housing (absence thereof, nice one Maggie) closing the skills gap and motivating the chronically unemployed is a much bigger problem than economic issues, at present.
 
2007-03-05 08:15:16 AM
bearloverhr

I love your idea, sterilize the government!!! Brillant!
 
2007-03-05 08:17:25 AM
nomatophobia - bearloverhr, I love your idea, sterilize the government!!! Brillant!

I'll drink to that.
 
2007-03-05 08:18:03 AM
If they're not severely physically or mentally hadicapped there is no reason these folks can't be working or at least looking for work (with proof of search)...

Hell, my mom raised my sister and I by herself and had two jobs.
 
2007-03-05 08:18:20 AM
nomatophobia

I like your thinking there.
 
2007-03-05 08:18:37 AM
I always think it's funny when people consider military spending "waste" while social programs are what the government is "supposed to" do.


How about each of us takes responsibility for our own expenses? And for those whose responsibility is in the care of another person, the state can garnish wages, etc.

Welfare should be used in extreme cases only.
 
2007-03-05 08:19:06 AM
How about Blair STFU and GBTW. The last time I checked we were still buried elbow deep with our fist in Iraq's ass.
 
2007-03-05 08:20:14 AM
ZPG
 
2007-03-05 08:24:27 AM
New Rule!

People on welfare are not allowed to have children. If they have a child, the baby is confiscated and raised in by the state to be a policeman/soldier/firefighter/emt/doctor.

/that is all
//All Hail the Overlord
 
2007-03-05 08:27:18 AM
Espertron

I wish it were that easy. You must be a man. If you were a woman you'd probably think twice about implementing something like forcing women to inject the unsafe Depo-Provera and plant the uncomfortable Norplant. And who's going to pay for the vasectomies, medicine, the time off work, the lawsuits? Oh yea, the government.
 
2007-03-05 08:29:03 AM
From TFA: "He also suggests making single parents look for work once their child turns 12, rather than 16 as at present. "

Wait...what??!

So lemme get this straight, you get twelve farkin' years paid for by the state to be at home and be a parent? I thought that was only for the Royal Family.

Anyway, Europe swings way too far in the free handouts direction, but those of you in this thread that think the USA is paying too much, please. I'm sure there are one or two of you who have really had a complete shiat upbringing, but I challenge anyone to go through an entire childhood of bad single parenting, shiat schools, crime-ridden neighborhoods and no role models...and then just turn out great pullin' yerself up by yer own bootstraps.

We need to invest in communities, not foodstamps. And when I say we, I mean we as people, not just the government. And before you go there, yes, I do personally invest my time in creating caring communities.
 
2007-03-05 08:31:49 AM
Push it back to 10.....months.
 
2007-03-05 08:32:21 AM
klisejo

Agreed! This will be fun! I can't wait to see those children become doctors. Make that plastic surgeons and we'll never be bored!
 
2007-03-05 08:38:25 AM
nomatophobia - Espertron, I wish it were that easy. You must be a man. If you were a woman you'd probably think twice about implementing something like forcing women to inject the unsafe Depo-Provera and plant the uncomfortable Norplant. And who's going to pay for the vasectomies, medicine, the time off work, the lawsuits? Oh yea, the government.

Nobody is FORCING women (or men) to do anything. But if a woman (or man) CHOOSES to receive taxpayer money, then it should be a condition they would accept. Nothing is free.

BTW: Depo-Provera is used safely by thousands (tens of thousands, actually) of women every year. I know several women who use it and love it (no more daily pill, weekly patch or monthly vaginal estrogen ring). The incidence of truly adverse effects that necessitate discontinuation of the medication is quite low.

Who would pay for the vasectomies? Good question. I don't have all the answers... I don't claim to have all the answers. That is why I would make a crappy polititian. But in response to your "you must be a man" comment, I was throwing vasectomies in the mix to be equal. As I said, fair is fair. I don't think women should be expected to undergo a procedure and men exempt from it.

Yes... I am a man. Check out my profile: Not too many women named 'Travis.'
 
2007-03-05 08:40:32 AM
But corporate welfare is still okay... right?
 
2007-03-05 08:41:58 AM
Solution: develop a sterilizing STD.
 
2007-03-05 08:45:20 AM
nomatophobia
Espertron

I wish it were that easy. You must be a man. If you were a woman you'd probably think twice about implementing something like forcing women to inject the unsafe Depo-Provera and plant the uncomfortable Norplant. And who's going to pay for the vasectomies, medicine, the time off work, the lawsuits? Oh yea, the government.

Yeah, god forbid they should have to endure some discomfort to get their free ride.
 
2007-03-05 08:45:30 AM
nomatophobia

The sad thing is, I cant think fo any other way to break the economic class-lines. I guess its sort of like becomeing a monk in the dark ages, its your only shot at learning to read and not getting slaughterd/ enslaved.
 
2007-03-05 08:46:27 AM
Espertron

The ONLY thing you forgot was, MANDATORY drug and alcohol for ANYONE getting government benefits. I don't give a rats arse about someone getting money from the goverment enjoying it by being stoned or drunk all day. Make the jobless bored, I say.
 
2007-03-05 08:48:35 AM
Don't want a vasectomy, norplant, depo-provera? Then don't
use public, taxpayer funded money.


Did you drive on a public, taxpayer-funded road today? Ever called the police for anything? How 'bout the fire department?

The answer is yes? OK then: snip, snip for you.
 
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