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(Fox News)   John Edwards responds: "I.. believe that is important for all of us to speak out against language of this kind; it is the place where hatred gets its foothold, and we can't stand silently by and allow this kind of language to be used"   (foxnews.com) divider line 106
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2007-03-05 02:00:32 AM  
John, buddy ... don't feed the friggin trolls.
 
2007-03-05 02:06:35 AM  
It's simply idiotic to think that altering language alters society, rather than the reverse.

It refers us back to the days of Mao Tse Dong, who said "To change society, one must begin by calling things by their correct names". Then he proceeded to rename everything in Chinese society to suit his own political agenda. Like Orwellian NewSpeak.

Trying to engineer society by altering or forbidding particular words is a pointless exercise. It is the tail wagging the dog. Worse, it distracts efforts away from the search for real solutions.

// Okay, a tail can wag a dog in free-fall. Rather, they wag each other.
 
2007-03-05 02:10:05 AM  
Moonbat: It refers us back to the days of Mao Tse Dong

Um, I don't want to pick nits, but I'm pretty sure it's spelled "Mousy Dung".
 
2007-03-05 02:13:19 AM  
Two Dogs Farking

Only if you're a cat.

// Mao. Pfft!
 
2007-03-05 02:22:10 AM  
Moonbat: Only if you're a cat

My mistake - it's "Mousy Tongue" (or, for the purists, Mao Tse -Tung)
 
2007-03-05 02:25:48 AM  
My Chinese friend in school pronounced it "Mao Tse Dong".
 
2007-03-05 02:30:15 AM  
Mow ZEH-Dong
 
2007-03-05 02:30:28 AM  
Moonbat: My Chinese friend in school pronounced it "Mao Tse Dong".

But Chinese isn't a phonetic language (especially since the symbols are transcribed): Tsingtao is pronounced "Ching Dao"
 
2007-03-05 02:39:31 AM  
Two Dogs Farking

But Chinese isn't a phonetic language (especially since the symbols are transcribed): Tsingtao is pronounced "Ching Dao"

The spelling I used was my attempt at phonetic spelling the way she pronounced it. She corrected me. Of course it might be regional variation, too. She was from a little north of Beijing.

// Ooo, got 'nother nit there. Want this? I'm full.
 
2007-03-05 02:49:03 AM  
Moonbat: Mao Tse Dong

That happened to me once when I tried to make a sandwich naked and dropped the Miracle Whip.
 
2007-03-05 02:52:48 AM  
Just call him Chairman Mao. Zedong was his Christian name.

/what was the thread topic again?
 
2007-03-05 03:00:26 AM  
Sun God: /what was the thread topic again?

I dunno. I just came here to say "Mousy Dung" and "Mousy Tongue". I'm done now.
 
2007-03-05 03:19:14 AM  
It's pronounced Mouth Sheep Tongue.

/That might be obscure, even for Fark
 
2007-03-05 03:27:55 AM  
So John Edwards supports Chairman Mao, eh? Friggin' liberals.
 
2007-03-05 03:29:42 AM  
And the Hero standard falls ever lower. Yeah, it's really heroic to denounce hate speech. This man is bravely standing up for something that most everyone agrees with and thinks is obvious.
 
2007-03-05 03:37:09 AM  
Seeing the FOX logo I was hoping it was a someone on the right doing the right thing and calling Ann out on her hate speak.

No such luck.

Where is the outrage?
 
2007-03-05 03:37:54 AM  
Okay, someone changed the headline... it didn't have John Edward's name on it before FARK crashed and came back up.
 
2007-03-05 03:40:58 AM  
LordPistachio: This man is bravely standing up for something that most everyone agrees with and thinks is obvious.

You'd be surprised how many people agree with The Horseface-known-as-Coulter.
 
2007-03-05 03:42:12 AM  
Moonbat:

Trying to engineer society by altering or forbidding particular words is a pointless exercise. It is the tail wagging the dog. Worse, it distracts efforts away from the search for real solutions.

I'd agree with you, but I also tend to agree with Edwards's statement. In a situation where an individual is deliberately using offensive language to target a select minority, it's the responsibility of thinking people to call them on it and inform them that they are, to put it as crudely as possible, full of shiat.

It's not attacking language so much as it's letting someone know that such things aren't going to fly. It doesn't change their mind, but if nothing else, it may begin to drive the idea home that such behavior isn't acceptable.
 
2007-03-05 03:48:26 AM  
img.fark.com tag for miss adam's apple
 
2007-03-05 04:06:52 AM  
I believe that is important for all of us to speak out against language of this kind; it is the place where hatred gets its foothold, and we cant stand silently by and allow this kind of language to be used.

Swahili?
 
2007-03-05 04:14:46 AM  
It's simply idiotic to think that altering language alters society, rather than the reverse.

It refers us back to the days of Mao Tse Dong, who said "To change society, one must begin by calling things by their correct names". Then he proceeded to rename everything in Chinese society to suit his own political agenda. Like Orwellian NewSpeak.

Trying to engineer society by altering or forbidding particular words is a pointless exercise. It is the tail wagging the dog. Worse, it distracts efforts away from the search for real solutions.


Ironically, your example shows the reverse of what you meant to say, from my perspective. Mao's in charge, and in order to change society to fit his view, he decides to change names to names used to... dun dun dun... fit his view. One can impose themselves onto a society in a totalitarian and then use language as a means of altering perceptions. It's like the difference between "Collateral Damage" and "Civilian Death". If you poll people on if they approve of Collateral Damage in warfare, the number will be higher than if you ask of they approve of Civilian Deaths in warfare.

So, when you frame your political arguments in altered language, you muddle the dialog and change the ground rules of communicating important societal and cultural information. This is particularly troublesome in democracies, where governmental activities are (in theory) to be carried out with the approval of the populace. When you've changed the language, you've made it especially difficult (sometimes impossible) for effective free speech and important public debate to occur, by eliminating key words or phrases.

And finally, I find it funny you made a reference to Orwell's Newspeak, when the entire idea behind it is precisely about how you can eliminate certain thoughts and concepts for the majority in a society by eliminating the language used to describe it. For a better explanation, read Orwell's "Politics and the English Language".
 
2007-03-05 04:14:48 AM  
Stop making sense, wandero. Your license to Fark could be in jeopardy.
 
2007-03-05 04:16:40 AM  
Double ungood.

Winston, pump those knees!
 
2007-03-05 04:17:48 AM  
Bah. 4:15am. It's too damn early to rehash Orwell competently. Too many damn typos.
 
2007-03-05 04:39:07 AM  
LordPistachio: And the Hero standard falls ever lower. Yeah, it's really heroic to denounce hate speech. This man is bravely standing up for something that most everyone agrees with and thinks is obvious.

It wasn't so obvious when it was pointed out that two of his own staff members had engaged in vicious hate speech. He couldn't even bring himself to condemn their actions or to fire them. He's a hypocrite.
 
2007-03-05 04:53:26 AM  
ColdFusion:

Bah. 4:15am. It's too damn early to rehash Orwell competently. Too many damn typos.


Hell, at 4:15 I wouldn't have even tried it, myself. You did a pretty damned good job all things considered.
 
2007-03-05 04:58:04 AM  
Coulter's comments set off a mini-firestorm in the 2008 presidential horserace and sent some Republican candidates running for cover. Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who also spoke at the CPAC conference, called the comments "offensive," former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said the sharp-tongued commentator was "completely inappropriate" and John McCain one-uped the Arizona senator with a "wildly inappropriate."

So Ann won't be invited to speak at any future events, right? Right?

All this CYA bullshiat from the candidates and other participants is seriously disingenuous. Coulter is well-known for saying hateful shiat - it's what she does. You can't invite her to speak and then say afterwards, "Oh, my stars! That was so inappropriate!! Golly gee!"

She sells books because millions of people love infantile name-calling, and she was invited because she sells millions of books. This will not change anytime soon.
 
2007-03-05 05:12:41 AM  
Don't he hatin' on Ann!

img406.imageshack.us
 
2007-03-05 06:02:25 AM  
I'd vote for the candidate who calls for the tarring and feathering of Ann.

Much like the monsters from the Simpsons, if you don't look she disappears. Every few months she realizes that no one is looking at her/talking about her so she has to do something completely unintelligent and then go on no less than three news channels to explain herself, only to dig herself into a much deeper hole.

It would almost be refreshing to see Edwards at a press conference explaining this with Paul Anka playing in the background. We're still not looking, Ann.

/guarantee void in Tennessee
 
2007-03-05 06:14:16 AM  
Two Dogs Farking: Tsingtao is pronounced "Ching Dao"

DEAR GOD! I am so retroactively embarased at every time i ordered that beer in a Chinese restaurant.
 
2007-03-05 06:25:59 AM  
Alien Robot: It wasn't so obvious when it was pointed out that two of his own staff members had engaged in vicious hate speech. He couldn't even bring himself to condemn their actions or to fire them. He's a hypocrite.

Source?
 
2007-03-05 06:33:17 AM  
Yea, he's a hero:

"hate speech yaddya yadda yadda, now give me lots of money"
 
2007-03-05 06:50:18 AM  
Feeding the trolls--hehe!

/not subby
//Edwards is definitely not a hero
 
2007-03-05 07:08:19 AM  
"I think its important that we not reward hateful, selfish, childish behavior with attention,"

"I also believe that is important for all of us to speak out against language of this kind"


Ummm...
 
2007-03-05 07:14:19 AM  
"I believe that is important for all of us to speak out against language of this kind; it is the place where hatred gets its foothold, and we cant stand silently by and allow this kind of language to be used."

The language he was referring to?

Pig Latin.
 
2007-03-05 07:17:26 AM  
Actually, I think she should be able to speak as loudly and as often as she can.

That way the idiots that agree with her will all be in one place and can be easily identified.


After the are all identified, it's easier to just ignore them.
 
2007-03-05 07:17:29 AM  
He's a hero for wanting to censor free speech?

Law's aren't here to make people choose right over wrong. They're here to punish those who choose wrong and hurt others in the process.

Nobody is actually ever hurt by someone using a certain word.
 
2007-03-05 07:27:50 AM  
Republicans: It's my RIGHT to be an arrogant, ignorant farktard!
 
2007-03-05 07:30:40 AM  
crunch-o-matic:

Actually, I think she should be able to speak as loudly and as often as she can.

That way the idiots that agree with her will all be in one place and can be easily identified.

After the are all identified, it's easier to just ignore them.


jimmyakin.typepad.com

/ works for me
 
2007-03-05 07:40:12 AM  
www.foxnews.com

Fabulous!

/hotlink :(
 
2007-03-05 07:44:02 AM  
veedeevadeevoodee: crunch-o-matic:

Actually, I think she should be able to speak as loudly and as often as she can.

That way the idiots that agree with her will all be in one place and can be easily identified.

After the are all identified, it's easier to just ignore them.


img139.imageshack.us
/mission accomplished?
 
2007-03-05 07:46:34 AM  
She bit off more than she can chew with this. I really enjoyed her back pedal.
 
2007-03-05 07:48:22 AM  
Why respond to Coulter? The Conservatives are using her as a positive in their campaigns. She was at CPAC as a star.

/John, why speak with such hate?
 
2007-03-05 08:02:38 AM  
She represents her side well.
 
2007-03-05 08:23:17 AM  
I agree, Esperanto is an insidious plague on society.
 
2007-03-05 08:23:19 AM  
John Kerry and Ann Coulter attended the same 'comedy' college.
 
2007-03-05 08:38:06 AM  
Speak out all you want, but remember the 1st amendment. Let the psycho biatch talk.
 
2007-03-05 08:44:02 AM  
She's a serious political commentator, until she goes over the top, then she's just an entertainer.

I just hope she dies soon so I can go piss on her grave.
 
2007-03-05 08:46:45 AM  
This hero of the right wing should be allowed to speak her mind, let everyone know what you all stand for on various issues. Keep everyone informed Ann...
 
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