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LordPistachio		2007-02-26 12:02:12 AM

Inhuman. Next thing you know, their paid summer vacation will be cut to three and a half weeks.

An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name		2007-02-26 12:20:09 AM

Next thing you know there will be outsourcing

Comrade438		2007-02-26 12:28:25 AM

Ahh hell, let's get it rolling. Boeing chant on three!

Boeing! Boeing! Boeing!

Nutcase		2007-02-26 12:45:42 AM

The A380 is the biggest bomb in history. Just wait until they pick up 600+ people off a mountain with a sponge.

Comrade438		2007-02-26 12:54:13 AM

Nutcase: The A380 is the biggest bomb in history. Just wait until they pick up 600+ people off a mountain with a sponge.

Using 787-Sponge "Roflcopters" no less.

themindiswatching		2007-02-26 03:30:14 AM

Airbus was a bit late with the A380...they should have released it when oil was $12/barrel.

/plane still looks pretty cool though.

lohphat		2007-02-26 03:31:20 AM

Nutcase: Just wait until they pick up 600+ people off a mountain with a sponge.

Try 888. That's the configuration ordered by Middle Eastern carriers for their Hajj runs to Mecca.

There are carriers not known for their attention to detail such as, oh I don't know, regular maintenance perhaps?

888 poor peasants' families can't afford lawyers to recover damages after a crash -- but then again, how do you value a poor person's life? Those cultures don't have a good track record there either.

Adolf Oliver Nipples		2007-02-26 03:31:43 AM

Nutcase: The A380 is the biggest bomb in history. Just wait until they pick up 600+ people off a mountain with a sponge.

They already picked up 520 people with a sponge when a 747 went down due to Boeing farking up a repair. I'm not surprised that you don't remember, it was 22 years ago, odds are you weren't even born yet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Airlines_Flight_123

I'm certainly not an Airbus fan, but c'mon, man. That is the most disingenuous thing I've read in a long time.

bobjava		2007-02-26 03:33:02 AM

Oh, they may? Who gave them permission?

For the love of God, it's "might."

mooseman2070		2007-02-26 03:34:26 AM

as if working for the NUMBER ONE airplane manufacturer in all of france isnt enough compensation, pfft

bhcompy		2007-02-26 03:34:55 AM

haha.. 35 hours.. the only decent export france has is sloth.

beerbaron		2007-02-26 03:35:09 AM

Will they riot and burn the factory or only enter into a prolonged and paralyzing strike? Either way, Airbus is farked.

Detroit_Bob		2007-02-26 03:38:37 AM

Scarebus isn't doing as bad as some of you might think. True, they aren't doing as well as they could be (should be, if they didn't bite off more than they can chew), but other than the A380, they are doing pretty well.

AND they might land a huge US .mil contract, which would open a production line in the US.

petry		2007-02-26 03:39:06 AM

bobjava

I'm all for grammar-nazi-ism, but really... you're being picky.

/1st one

vossiewulf		2007-02-26 03:40:40 AM

Nutcase
The A380 is the biggest bomb in history.

The Bristol Brabazon would beg to differ.(pop)

Nasti Asti		2007-02-26 04:18:14 AM

The landing gear, and brake assemblies are contracted to Rexnord, a Milwaukee based company. An Apollo group corporation.

/so I'm told.

BatGuano		2007-02-26 04:46:11 AM

Detroit Bob
AND they might land a huge US .mil contract, which would open a production line in the US

If there was ever even a slim chance of EADS landing the USAF tanker contract I'd say after Pooty-Poots little stunt cockblocking Boeings sale of 787s to Aeroflot last week they can kiss that pipe dream goodbye and then some.

Detroit_Bob		2007-02-26 04:59:16 AM

BatGuano: If there was ever even a slim chance of EADS landing the USAF tanker contract I'd say after Pooty-Poots little stunt cockblocking Boeings sale of 787s to Aeroflot last week they can kiss that pipe dream goodbye and then some.

Just googled that up.

OK, Scarebus is right farked, especially since Russia wants to become a 'key supplier' now.

bobjava		2007-02-26 05:12:10 AM

petry

Bah! I refuse to believe the troglodytes at reference.com. Merriam Webster begs to differ with that lot:

http://m-w.com/dictionary/may

I'll calm down now.

apotheosis247		2007-02-26 05:19:54 AM

OK, Scarebus is right farked

Hell, they already lost their FedEx contract and are on the verge of losing a contract w/ UPS, not to mention the $6bil all the delays are projected to cost. The last I read they'll have to sell more than 400 just to break even, so yeah, they're up shiat creek...

petry		2007-02-26 05:24:26 AM

From the m-w link:

3 -- used in auxiliary function expressing purpose or expectation "I laugh that I may not weep" or contingency "she'll do her duty come what may" or concession "he may be slow but he is thorough" or choice "the angler may catch them with a dip net, or he may cast a large, bare treble hook -- Nelson Bryant"

So there! :p

Not_Enginerd		2007-02-26 05:43:21 AM

I think God just hates Airbus, because it has definitely been raining shiat on them lately. Has anything about the A380 gone right for them?

Archie Goodwin		2007-02-26 05:46:11 AM

Not_Enginerd

It hasn't crashed.

/Yet.

Spagoni		2007-02-26 05:49:41 AM

I can't see the A380 being dumped. There is too much prestige riding on this plane. France and other Euro countries involved will throw as much money at it as necessary, just so the frogs in particular don't lose face.

Dave L		2007-02-26 06:08:39 AM

Reform or die.

Seems to make business sense to me.

Dave L		2007-02-26 06:11:06 AM

"I think God just hates Airbus, because it has definitely been raining shiat on them lately"

Nothing to do with god. Its the US military-industrial-media complex. Fark has been effected by this as well which is why the freeper freedom fries nonsense has become synonymous with Fark and made Fark the laughing stock of the intertubes.

Not_Enginerd		2007-02-26 06:16:21 AM

Dave L: Nothing to do with god. Its the US military-industrial-media complex. Fark has been effected by this as well which is why the freeper freedom fries nonsense has become synonymous with Fark and made Fark the laughing stock of the intertubes.

0/10 too obvious

Nutcase		2007-02-26 06:26:16 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples Actually there was a worse crash. The Tenerife disaster took place on March 27, 1977 when two Boeing 747 airliners collided at Los Rodeos Airport on the island of Tenerife, Canary Islands, Spain, killing 583 people. The accident still has the highest number of fatalities (excluding ground fatalities) of any single accident in aviation history.

The aircraft involved were Pan Am Flight 1736, named Clipper Victor, under the command of Captain Victor Grubbs, and KLM Royal Dutch Airlines Flight 4805, named Rijn (Rhine River), under the command of Captain Jacob Veldhuyzen van Zanten. KLM 4805, taking off on the only runway of the airport, crashed into the Pan Am aircraft which was taxiing on the same runway.

Los Rodeos Airport (then TCI, now TFN) is situated in the northern part of Tenerife, and is used mainly for flights within the Canary Islands and flights from the Spanish mainland.

And yes I'm old enough to remember, I'm 34 :)

Detroit_Bob		2007-02-26 06:40:29 AM

KLM? The pilot was no doubt 'getting high' using 'reefer cigarettes'.

FauxNews		2007-02-26 06:44:06 AM

lohphat: Try 888. That's the configuration ordered by Middle Eastern carriers for their Hajj runs to Mecca.

And a few less on the way back?

PsychoPhil		2007-02-26 06:45:34 AM

OK, Scarebus is right farked, especially since Russia wants to become a 'key supplier' now.

Keep telling yourself that.

When I co-oped at Pratt & Whitney, I was told flat out by a few engineers that the Russians were the best machinists out there (next to the Japanese, who's stuff was so good it sucked defects out of adjacent parts).

You want scary? Boeing and GE are busy outsourcing to China. Guess what? China ain't that great at machining.

FauxNews		2007-02-26 06:46:03 AM

I managed to sneak home early most days last week.
Still worked 55hrs

Bomb Head Mohammed		2007-02-26 06:48:56 AM

PsychoPhil: any more gross overgeneralizations you'd like to share with us?

Cyber_Junk		2007-02-26 07:00:27 AM

PsychoPhil: When I co-oped at Pratt & Whitney, I was told flat out by a few engineers that the Russians were the best machinists out there (next to the Japanese, who's stuff was so good it sucked defects out of adjacent parts).

You want scary? Boeing and GE are busy outsourcing to China. Guess what? China ain't that great at machining.

Actually the big issue is quality control/assurance and management. If your QA is good it doesn't matter how skilled or unskilled your machinists are the stuff leaving the plant will be top notch. Good management will make sure that when things go wrong there's followup to make sure it either doesn't happen again or that they'll look more closely for that kind of defect when doing inspections.

Detroit_Bob		2007-02-26 07:08:48 AM

PsychoPhil: When I co-oped at Pratt & Whitney, I was told flat out by a few engineers that the Russians were the best machinists out there (next to the

Which certainly explains why Tupolev is getting Western companies to make bits for their airliners as fast as they can wrangle the OK to do so from Pooty.

LavenderWolf		2007-02-26 07:14:50 AM

Suddenly I'm a little grateful for my bosses not sending down bullshiat of this magnitude.

drivinwest		2007-02-26 07:19:09 AM

An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: Next thing you know there will be outsourcing

Done. Airbus' has a huge wing design facility in Wichita, Kansas, USA which employs a few hundred American engineers. Most were given sizable monetary incentive to jump ship from Boeing, Cessna, Raytheon, etc. to work for Airbus.

It's hardly unprecedented for European aerospace to outsource to, or in source from, the USA. Yours truly is an ex-NASA engineer hired to work on the European Space Agency's contribution to the ISS.

Fun fact: During Thomas Reiter's ~6 month stint aboard the ISS his "European" support team was run entirely by Americans hired specifically for the job; they couldn't find anybody in Europe qualified to do so.

drivinwest		2007-02-26 07:27:27 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: They already picked up 520 people with a sponge when a 747 went down due to Boeing farking up a repair.

I've studied this crash extensively (degrees in Mechanical and Systems engineering, blah, blah, blah). It wasn't Boeing's fault any more than that their Japanese maintenance engineer, the guy that signed off on the repairs, OKed work that did NOT meet Boeing specs.

tedZilla		2007-02-26 07:41:52 AM

IIRC France reduced the work week without reducing salaries - so this actually makes sense.

nopokerface		2007-02-26 07:49:01 AM

Send Hoffa

YouPeopleAreCrazy		2007-02-26 07:59:04 AM

Spagoni: I can't see the A380 being dumped. There is too much prestige riding on this plane. France and other Euro countries involved will throw as much money at it as necessary, just so the frogs in particular don't lose face.

Concorde.

Omegamerc		2007-02-26 08:16:43 AM

YouPeopleAreCrazy

Concorde carried a handful of people at an outlandish price, and burned a shiat load of fuel.

szyska		2007-02-26 08:18:52 AM

The A380 will run for the same reason that Concorde ran, prestige. Concorde lost money hand over fist and it ran for almost 2 decades just so the claim could be made that the fastest jet is European. Now they have the biggest....

cynispasm		2007-02-26 08:22:56 AM

It amazes me that Americans, who apparently work more hours for less compensation that most of the rest of the world, are willing to mock a country that has more time off. What, are we stupid? I want to work 35 hours per week and get a months vacation! I'm not ashamed to say it! Go Frenchies!

ronaprhys		2007-02-26 08:32:02 AM

2007-02-26 08:22:56 AM cynispasm

It amazes me that Americans, who apparently work more hours for less compensation that most of the rest of the world, are willing to mock a country that has more time off. What, are we stupid? I want to work 35 hours per week and get a months vacation! I'm not ashamed to say it! Go Frenchies!

I dunno about Americans working more. We do work a lot, but Japanese workers and many of the other Pacific Rim countries tend to work crazy hours.

But that being said, our working more hours tends to help boost our overall economy and keep it pretty strong, on the overall. Which, IIRC, France has had trouble with...

MakJeezus		2007-02-26 08:34:03 AM

The French will never stand for a 40 hours work week. Remember those riots last year from the youth workers over not being gauranteed long term employment upon being hired?

Adolf Oliver Nipples		2007-02-26 08:42:17 AM

Nutcase: Actually there was a worse crash. The Tenerife disaster took place on March 27, 1977 when two Boeing 747 airliners collided at Los Rodeos Airport on the island of Tenerife, Canary Islands, Spain, killing 583 people. The accident still has the highest number of fatalities (excluding ground fatalities) of any single accident in aviation history.

Indeed. But that was a collision. JAL 123 was a single-aircraft accident.

ultramarinblaa		2007-02-26 08:48:10 AM

ronaprhys
Stop drinking the coolaid.
Americans may work longer hours but that doesn't mean that they get more done. Studies have shown that the optimum workday is around 8 hours - Work longer and you may impress the boss or even fool yourself into thinking that you get a lot of work done. But in reality all you are doing is wasting time you could spend with your family.
It's like the american health system, you spend much more than anyone else in the world and don't get as much out of it as a lot of other countries.
I suppose you could call it a variation on Parkinsons law.

stevedln15		2007-02-26 08:50:40 AM

I worked for a hardware company, during college, that decided to keep the stores open an hour later each day. The company line was that it would increase revenue as well as give employees more time to do work such as inventory etc.

The employees take on the whole shennanigans pie was that it just meant an other hour of not working. We still cleaned up the store and counted out the money for the old closing time. We just sat around and waited for 10 pm or made potato launchers etc.

/That company went out of business coincidentally.

Bloginspanken		2007-02-26 08:55:14 AM

ronaprhys: I dunno about Americans working more. We do work a lot, but Japanese workers and many of the other Pacific Rim countries tend to work crazy hours.

How do they manage to be 40% less productive than US workers with all those hours?

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