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(Reuters)   From the Center For The Blindingly Obvious comes a new report that shows mentally ill people and drug abusers have problems at work and at home. Amazing discovery there, fellas   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 45
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2007-02-23 09:09:08 AM
Ric Romero's head asplodes
 
2007-02-23 09:17:43 AM
What rare they talking about? I don't have any problems at home or work.
 
2007-02-23 10:22:09 AM
If you don't have problems at work or home, you're either more mentally stable than 90 percent of the population, or totally batshiat insane.
 
2007-02-23 10:31:26 AM
SwiftFox:

If you don't have problems at work or home, you're either more mentally stable than 90 percent of the population, or totally batshiat insane.

Or you could be Anna Nicole, who is no longer insane.

(she also no longer part of the population as well)
 
2007-02-23 11:20:34 AM
These guys must have benefited from the previous headline and its super advanced edumacation standards.
 
2007-02-23 11:21:47 AM
But what if you are mentally ill and/or on drugs, but don't have trouble at home or work?

Well? Some insane drug addicts hold a job and maintain a life.

Sheesh
 
2007-02-23 11:22:04 AM
Thank god there are people with college educations to figure this stuff out. I'm so relieved.
 
2007-02-23 11:23:06 AM
I am both a drug user and mentally unstable (they kind of go hand in hand) and I have problems at work and at home.

Everyone I know, whether they are a drug user or not, mentally stable or not, have problems at work and at home.

Everyone has problems, they are just easier to mitigate when you are mentally stable and not on drugs.
 
2007-02-23 11:26:14 AM
Most of them are in the political forums on Fark.
 
2007-02-23 11:27:14 AM
vernonFL
I am both a drug user and mentally unstable (they kind of go hand in hand) and I have problems at work and at home.

Are you really getting a kick out of these replies?
 
2007-02-23 11:29:03 AM
When will they come out with the report that says: "Mo money really does create mo problems"?
 
2007-02-23 11:29:18 AM
As a bipolar drunk, I resemble that remark

/ 'tis true, unfortunately
// ADA & FMLA FTW!
 
2007-02-23 11:31:10 AM
It must be amazingly simple to get money to do these studies.
Still no cure for cancer.
 
2007-02-23 11:31:23 AM
Subby using (mentally ill people and drug abusers) reminded me of the joke they told on Conan O'Brien
last night ...

President GW Bush should not be thought of as the worst president...
He should be looked at as the most successful retard!
 
2007-02-23 11:33:32 AM
I want a job at the Center For The Blindinly Obvious.
 
2007-02-23 11:34:09 AM
Maybe they got real jobs and ran into these nutcases the rest of us have to work with.
 
2007-02-23 11:37:04 AM
"This just in.....water is wet"
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2007-02-23 11:40:10 AM
Frankly I feel like I have more problems since I had to stop smoking weed years ago. Maybe they just bother me more. Maybe it's just getting old.
 
2007-02-23 11:40:11 AM
Hey, serious advice asking time.

I've been to way too many doctor visits in the past three years, and they haven't really come up with a diagnosis. Most likely, I'm depressed with some physical disorder on top of it (popular choice was narcolepsy; now they're leaning towards minor seizures or something).

Point is, there's times when I either physically or mentally just can't get any work done - they usually last for a week, then I'll snap out of it (to some degree - I'm always kind of out of it and depressed, where my "high" is probably a normal person's "low"). I'll also be completely out of it for 5 minute stretches at a time (really noticeable when I'm in class and I wake up to a page of indecipherable notes), but last-ditch medication keeps that from happening. It also keeps me from sleeping 14 hours at time (which I'd do, and wake up still tired enough to fall back asleep immediately. Which I'd also do, if I was depressed enough).

My last two lab jobs I managed because the first one happened at another school with a kickass administration in the department (asked me what was wrong, managed to fanangle a way for me to see a doctor for free even though I wasn't a student nor a real employee). Second one I barely got out alive because when I emerged from the void to a inbox full of threats, I worked my ass off (literally, 14 hour days one summer) to catch back up. My professor was understanding, but told me flat-out that I couldn't pull that in the real world. She also pushed me into getting a sleep study, which didn't do anything except rule out sleep apnea / restless leg / narcolepsy as to "why I'm so damn tired all the time".

Well, I'm going into the real world. I have an internship at a very small (30 people) but awesome high-tech local company. Here's the question: the employee handbook says I have to claim a disability within 100 days or something. I'd like to let them know what is very damn likely going to happen again (already happened once, but just for a few days - I begged off "school obligations"). But my insurance has lapsed, so I'm not seeing my doctor. I owe him a couple of hundred, so asking if he could jot down a letter would be really freaking awkward right now. I have this documented, but they never did decide on a final answer for diagnosis (especially since I reacted very very badly to every single anti-depressant I was put on).

Should I bother filing as having a disability? It's damningly real, and I really don't want to lose my job because of it. I'm also kind of afraid that doing so is going to kill any chance I have of getting, well, any health insurance once I graduate.

Yeah, I know it's Fark, but since I'm currently in the middle of one of the aforementioned low periods it'd definitely help if you've had to deal with this sort of thing before.

Thanks much.
 
2007-02-23 11:41:30 AM
vernonFL

I am both a drug user and mentally unstable (they kind of go hand in hand) and I have problems at work and at home.

Everyone I know, whether they are a drug user or not, mentally stable or not, have problems at work and at home.

Everyone has problems, they are just easier to mitigate when you are mentally stable and not on drugs.


I find that mental instability is much, much easier to deal with because of drugs.

\and more fun too
\\I like slashies with my morning coffee
 
2007-02-23 11:45:13 AM
Problems? PROBLEMS?!? My only problem is YOU, buddy! Sitting there all f*cking day clicking that goddam ball-point pen. Click Click click clickclickclickcklcikcccckkc Why don't you just STOP MAKING THAT NOISE!!!? And as for YOU, little miss happy, smiley, I'm so pretty "have a nice day" bullsh*t smiling nice person...Just quit it with your "Good morning, Nick" with all that friendly...and YOU...yes YOU just deliver the goddam thing and GET OUT!!! Nobody cares if it's heavy or hot outside or if you're having a busy day, just drop the box and.....Yes, yes more suction there... Scalpel...Clamp...
 
2007-02-23 11:53:45 AM
Hey, serious advice asking time.

I've been to way too many doctor visits in the past three years, and they haven't really come up with a diagnosis. Most likely, I'm depressed with some physical disorder on top of it (popular choice was narcolepsy; now they're leaning towards minor seizures or something).

Point is, there's times when I either physically or mentally just can't get any work done - they usually last for a week, then I'll snap out of it (to some degree - I'm always kind of out of it and depressed, where my "high" is probably a normal person's "low"). I'll also be completely out of it for 5 minute stretches at a time (really noticeable when I'm in class and I wake up to a page of indecipherable notes), but last-ditch medication keeps that from happening. It also keeps me from sleeping 14 hours at time (which I'd do, and wake up still tired enough to fall back asleep immediately. Which I'd also do, if I was depressed enough).

Sleep apnea is your problem
 
2007-02-23 11:53:56 AM
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I've been wanting to use this image for so long...
 
2007-02-23 11:59:00 AM
PseUdononymous Savagery

A tube down my throat and a overnight stay in the sleep clinic told me I don't have sleep apnea, at all. But thanks for the diagnosis.
 
2007-02-23 12:03:12 PM
StreetlightInTheGhetto

If you're cycling between euphoric highs and crushing depressions, you could be bipolar (aka "manic depressive"). In that case, normal anti-depressants don't work as well, and could even make things worse. Also, if you are sleeping a lot and not getting rest, you may have sleep apnea, which is fairly easy to treat. I've been treated for apnea for just about a year, and am finally getting decent sleep for the first time in over a decade.

And if indeed you are diagnosed by a doctor with a medical disorder (even an unspecified one), you are legally covered under the Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA). That means you cannot be fired/penalized at your job because of your condition, and your employer must make reasonable accommidation (sp?) for you as well.

You may also qualify for Family Medical Leave Act. The FMLA gives you up to 12 weeks unpaid leave each year for medical reasons.

If not for the ADA and FMLA, I'd probably be living in mom's basement. With it, I'm leading a fairly normal life: I have a job (which I do very well when I'm not episodic) and medical insurance, which means I am not on public assistance and Medicaid.

Best of luck to you. These diseases suck more than most people can even imagine, but you can survive-- and even thrive if you take care of yourself.
 
2007-02-23 12:12:22 PM
StreetlightInTheGhetto

I almost forgot this: if your depression has been episodic, and the anti-depressants aren't working, you may have what's called Bipolar II disorder. It's similar to "normal" bipolar, except that you don't get really manic during your highs, but your lows are devastating. Also, they don't tend to last as long, and you don't get delusional like you do with Bipolar I.

Check out this website (pops): www.psycheducation.org. It was because of this site I figured out I was Bipolar II and not depressed-- and I'd been treated for unipolar depression for the past 15 years (and hospitalized more than once, too).

Also, if you have a problem getting a note from your regular doc, there are free clinics in most cities that will help you out. Try calling your local chapter of First Call For Help, and they can refer you.

Good luck.

/ a little craziness goes a long way
 
2007-02-23 12:14:35 PM
LahDeeFreakingDah

They did think it may be bipolar, but a) my highs, as mentioned, aren't really that high, and b) they had me on a two different bipolar meds already. One had me break out in a horrible rash, and the other just didn't have any effect on me. It may be that I'm bipolar with dysthymia underneath, but I don't know enough about psych to know if they even occur together.

As mentioned before, I definitely don't have sleep apnea or restless leg syndrome.

How does ADA work, exactly? I mean, do I file paperwork somewhere, or am I automatically covered because I have it in my medical records? I'm part-time intern right now, so I doubt I'd qualify for FMLA, but I'll keep it in mind if I end up getting hired on after I graduate.
 
2007-02-23 12:14:45 PM
Does this get a SuperMechaRomero tag?
 
2007-02-23 12:15:53 PM
I've never heard of Bipolar II before - thanks. Seriously.
 
2007-02-23 12:22:40 PM
This is why Employee Assistance Programs exist.

I work at an EAP...

/and am really getting a kick out of some of these replies!
 
2007-02-23 12:28:09 PM
StreetlightInTheGhetto

I conclude you have an acute case of Restless Leg Syndrome and are entitled to mucho experimental drugs.
 
2007-02-23 12:33:31 PM
I hate the idea of "I'm crazy because I can't deal with life! Give me meds! Meds!" But in all honesty I'm probably bipolar, which just makes me more depressed because I hate the idea of actually being mentally ill. Why can't I just be like everybody else, with the normal human paranoia and doubt, that I'm just not sucking up and dealing with because I suck?

So I've always been somewhat relieved by the definition of bipolar as including both extreme lows and highs, because my highs can't be considered "euphoric". So I must just be normally neurotic and depressed, and not in need of any sort of help.

Now you're telling me there's another type of bipolar and I might just be that? Well this sucks... Damnit... That really makes me sad.

/put too much effort into that...
//only partially kidding
 
2007-02-23 12:38:03 PM
StreetlightInTheGhetto They did think it may be bipolar, but a) my highs, as mentioned, aren't really that high, and b) they had me on a two different bipolar meds already. One had me break out in a horrible rash, and the other just didn't have any effect on me. It may be that I'm bipolar with dysthymia underneath, but I don't know enough about psych to know if they even occur together.

The highs and lows vary between individuals. In fact, my doc told me that the frequency of high to low drops as a person gets older.

It sounds like you are the 1 in 1000 that gets a rash from lamictal. That's really sad, it's a darn fine drug with the fewest potential side effects out there...

It wouldn't surprise me if you aren't mildly bipolar and slightly suffering from ADD. Many people dismiss ADD as a ghost illness but it's like depression, hard to completely peg down.
 
2007-02-23 12:45:09 PM
Jeebus! I think Ric Romero has just be out-Ric-Romeroed.

/my universe is collapsing
 
2007-02-23 12:52:21 PM
Jektal: I hate the idea of "I'm crazy because I can't deal with life! Give me meds!

Nah, you just have to invert that statement: I can't deal with life because I'm crazy! :)

No, seriously, I resisted doing the meds for almost ten years. Finally I got sick of feeling like shiat all the time. Even still, it's taken over ten years to find a combination of pills that works. Right now, I'm on three different psych meds, a couple other meds to mitigate the side effects of the psych meds, plus hormone replacement due to glandular problems.

Yeah, it's a mess, and it's pain in the ass, and I have to take extra good care of myself (watch my diet, exercise DAILY to keep my mood stable and bp low, keep a routine schedule, can't drink alkeehol, etc.), but OTOH I feel better now at age 37 than I did fifteen years ago.

It's a pain in the arse, but at the end of the day it's totally worth it.
 
2007-02-23 12:55:03 PM
Mentally ill people don't always have problems at work. Most sociopaths do very well in management.
 
2007-02-23 01:05:06 PM
LahDeeFreakingDah: Check out this website (pops): www.psycheducation.org.

Ok, I went to the site and gave it a serious look-through, but as soon as I saw this gem I stopped:


Why don't more people exercise?

Here are 3 big reasons:

* It's giving to yourself instead of others (mothers!)
* It takes time, and it's not a habit.
* The benefits don't happen right away, nor are they obvious.


Talk about Ric Romero-ism. Why don't people exercise? Because it's hard! It takes a lot of effort, it's a change in your habits, it requires you to get up and go do it now, and if you don't ever exercise chances are you're going to feel either like you don't know how to, or are self-conscious. It's the "fat man at the gym syndrome". You don't need to bring a lot of freaking logic into this, it's not some highly logical self preservation instinct you haven't noticed, it's just hard.

As soon as you start saying "well, I would go exercise, but it's just so hard because then I feel like I'm only doing it for myself and being selfish, and I was raised to always think of others" then my mind automatically tosses you into the same group of people who say "well, I'm only overweight because my life creates a lot of stress which leads to my body building up fat." No! Your life might be stressful, but you're fat because you consume more than you burn off through exercise. Even if your life is stressful, and you eat more to cope with it, the stress isn't the cause of your obesity, the food is. And no, the stress doesn't -make- you eat, you eat because that's how you're dealing with it. You would survive just fine if you found another outlet for your stress, but going through that effort would be hard, so you don't.

I don't mean any disrespect to anybody in here, or anybody at all who has serious problems that need to be treated, but there are way too many people who get caught up in this "it's not my fault, because..." masturbation. Life sucks, get a helmet.
 
2007-02-23 01:32:20 PM
"Thank god there are people with college educations to figure this stuff out. I'm so relieved."

QFT
 
2007-02-23 01:49:13 PM
DevilDoll
This is why Employee Assistance Programs exist.

I work at an EAP...

/and am really getting a kick out of some of these replies!


Right on. If you have an EAP, USE IT. They can help.

/ and you play guitar, too (fellow guitar player here)
// I think I'm in love
 
2007-02-23 01:57:03 PM
Jektal, I think you're missing the point of this section of the article you reference. This article isn't making a justification for not exercising, merely stating the reasons that people don't do the activity. Without pinpointing the excuses to avoid exercise, there's no way to help anyone adjust to the necessary lifestyle changes to add exercise into their lives.

The article is discussing the benefits of exercise in treating depression. Exercise helps with mood as well as helps with the issue of weight problems. The article focuses on the mental state regardless to the overweight/stress aspect. Treating insomnia by exercising is one example. They aren't just discussing exercising to loose weight in order to feel better...

I'm not sure why you dismiss the site for pointing out the obvious in an article discussing incorporating exercise into one's life.
 
2007-02-23 02:03:26 PM
Jektal:I don't mean any disrespect to anybody in here, or anybody at all who has serious problems that need to be treated, but there are way too many people who get caught up in this "it's not my fault, because..." masturbation. Life sucks, get a helmet.

Hard to disagree with that sentiment. Everybody needs to take responsibility for themselves, because in the end nobody else will.

And you're right re: exercise. I hadn't done any major physical activity in almost 15 years until last fall. Then I started walking just a couple blocks before bed. Pretty soon that couple blocks into a mile, then two miles, and the walking became jogging. I joined the Y in November so I could keep going over the winter.

Now I run three miles a day, bike another five, and do strength exercises and yoga, too. I spend at least two hours a night at the Y, and it's paying off handsomely. I've lost 20 lbs, three inches off my waist, and feel stronger and healthier than ever. Even my appetites/cravings have changed, too: I'm eating healthier, and my mood is fairly stable, to boot.

We're all responsible for our own behavior, whether we're crazy or not.
 
2007-02-23 02:04:12 PM
Jektal

I refused meds on general principle for the longest time. Then it got to where I was dropping out of classes, and I grudgingly went along.

After 3 years of guinea-pig-awesomness, I currently only take 2 pills a day. One is a multivitamin. The other keeps me from passing out in class (and gets me to actually get to class).

That said, so much of the psych field is f--king BS.

My Most Ironic Moment of the Year (TM) goes to something a friend of mine had happen. He's depressed as all hell - suicidal and the works. I love him still, though, because he's the only person I could be completely frank with about what was going on in my head and who wouldn't not only not freak out, but completely understand. I digress.

After 4 years of knowing him, he finally broke down and went to the free counseling service here. Goes for his first meeting. The lady asks if he's doing any illict drugs.

Now, he's done everything under the sun, but at that point had taken a break. So answers, truthfully, that he drinks and smokes pot occassionally. For the rest of the interview, the lady would not shut up about the damn pot. It was the cause of all his problems. He didn't know any better, he was a drug addict (the fact that we're in a prestigious university and he graduated with a mechanical engineering degree nonwithstanding). She did, however, want to throw him on psych meds immediately. That's only because she couldn't legally commit him. He needed to be in a hospital, because the pot was ruining his life.

He smokes once a month. Told me he was so dumbfounded he didn't even know how to reply to the lady.

But now he's really never getting the help he needs. Multiple levels of irony here - not only did she entirely miss the real problem - that being that he was suicidal (in the middle of the drug rant, it never came up), but my city is famous for its historical relaxed views towards marijuana.

Sigh.

I'm managing on my own, with that whole can't-afford-doctor-currently bit, but I know this isn't right, I know that it's gotten very bad very quickly over the last three years, and I know that it's damn near impossible to be a lifeguard when you're the one who's drowning. But so it goes. I guess.
 
2007-02-23 02:16:27 PM
Uhh, the definition of a mental illness requires that it is of such a degree as to interfere with having a normal life. That's why half the world has some mild OCD behaviors but aren't considered mentally ill.

We can argue about how "drug abuse" should be defined (not the same as "drug use," as anyone who drinks a glass of wine with dinner will tell you). But I'm inclined to think that it's also not abuse unless it interferes with a normal life.

So someone got money to state a tautology. Here's one: "All idiot scientists are idiots." Where's my money?
 
2007-02-23 03:52:04 PM
www.aerojockey.com
 
2007-02-23 03:55:18 PM
I don't have any more problems at work since they fired me.

And I seem to have no problems with drugs. They always work just fine for me.

/problems are relative.
 
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