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(Contra Costa Times)   Fortieth anniversary of the Summer of Love approaching and look how wonderful everything is now. Just kidding, Haight Street is a hippie theme park and the LSD revolution failed miserably, leading to the rise of the neocon. Thanks, Jerry   (contracostatimes.com) divider line 302
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2007-02-19 11:58:56 AM  
You mean thank you Timothy Leary, Jerry and the boys just played at the Electric Cool-Aid Acid Tests. Leary really got the movement going, and for the times was quite an interesting cultural and political anomaly, the Hippie movement that is.
 
2007-02-19 11:59:52 AM  
Dear Subby:

Kiss our collective asses. Sorry, can't stay, off to pop some acid and lay around and be a stoner all day.

And you earned your dumbass tag -

Love, all us LSD-lovin, pot smokin, free-loving hippies.
 
2007-02-19 12:00:20 PM  
Dirty, filthy hippies: is there anything we can't blame on them?
 
2007-02-19 12:04:09 PM  
"There was no point in fighting - on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave. So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark - the place where the wave finally broke and rolled back."


/HST
 
2007-02-19 12:04:37 PM  
Yeah, we should just go back to lynching minorities and shooting protesters.

I bet Submitter can't pass the acid test.
 
2007-02-19 12:10:46 PM  
The Hell's Angels failed. Not enough knives, what can you do.
 
2007-02-19 12:12:34 PM  
I'll give you something to blame the hippies for: the endless cycle of poverty black people are caught in. Those wonderful liberal social impulses led to the sweeping reform of the welfare system in 1968. The result: a system that penalizes poor folk for rising above a certain income level. This led to the social acceptability of unwed parents, as you are much better off jobbing the system so you don't go over the income level and lose your apartment and benefits. Lather, rinse and repeat. Those good intentions killed the ability to become self-sufficient and have trapped generations in the ghetto. Thanks, hippies!
 
2007-02-19 12:14:10 PM  
The dirty little secret of the Neocons is that they are all on LSD, all the time.

/May not be true, but sure would explain a lot.
 
2007-02-19 12:18:27 PM  
Are you saying hippies are responsible for the rise of the Neo-Con?

You are my new HERO.

(Not that anyone cares, but "Neoconservative" was coined in Reagan's time to mean a conservative who, unlike the GOP of old, put a lot of money and resources toward social programs like your average Democrat. In recent years people who don't know the etymology of the word seem to use it, and I have a feeling it's because it kinda sounds like "Neo-Nazi." But no one here probably cares that "Neo-Con" is actually a way of saying "centrist conservative.")

/no, I don't know why I bother either.
 
2007-02-19 12:28:37 PM  
Submitter pretty much nailed it. Hippies smell like patchouli oil and failure.
 
2007-02-19 12:28:45 PM  
Haight St. may be a hippie theme park for naive tourists, but you don't see that many real hippies on the street anymore. They all bought the then-cheap houses in the neighborhood. The real hippies are now 60 years old, and the owners of $1 million Victorian houses.

The people on the street are their affluent children, trying to look grubby and scam the tourists out of money in front of The Gap so that they can buy weed. Or "homeless" people who play guitar for change. The tourists eat that shiat up.
 
2007-02-19 12:36:02 PM  
The last time I was in SF, I seem to remember there being a Gap outlet on, or very near, the corner of Haight & Ashbury.
Did I imagine that?

Haight St. was one of the few places at which I cheerfully gave money to panhandlers.
Two old timers with giant beards and long hair with a sign reading, "Give us money to support our alcoholism. We will spend it on booze."
 
2007-02-19 12:39:58 PM  
snikrepkire: Did I imagine that?


No, there is a Gap on Haight and Ashbury. Right across from a Ben & Jerry's. The other corners of Haight and Ashbury have a touristy T-shirt store, and a clothing store- I think it's a thrift store, but I can't remember.
 
2007-02-19 12:40:32 PM  
Subby is an idiot. Read The farking Article.

The average person has no idea what real hippies were all about. And I'm including most of the kids that are hanging out at jamband festivals and shows. But then, most people think that everything on the TV is true.
 
2007-02-19 12:45:29 PM  
Not that anyone cares, but "Neoconservative" was coined in Reagan's time to mean a conservative who, unlike the GOP of old, put a lot of money and resources toward social programs like your average Democrat.

Yeah, he was really worried about social programs when he cut the education budget, student assistance and got rid of all those psychiatric hospitals back in the 80's. Change "social programs" to "military industrial complex" and your sentence is correct.
 
2007-02-19 12:46:25 PM  
Your hate is a wonderful, beautiful snowflake. You should keep it close to your cold, judgemental heart.

Now go drink some Coors Light and make some thinly veiled homo jokes with your frat buddies.

Go. Now. and take your Dave Matthews CD's with you.
 
2007-02-19 12:50:46 PM  
GurneyHalleck:Subby is an idiot. Read The farking Article.

I did, and it's the same self-obsessed baby boomer bullshiat we've all read a million times. Absolute drivel.
 
2007-02-19 12:51:35 PM  
I, having been born a full decade AFTER the summer of love, have NO INFORMED OPINION ON THE SUBJECT WHATSOEVER.

And neither, I'm guessing, do 90% of you.

Now, if you were alive (and sentient) at the time, preach on.
 
2007-02-19 12:53:45 PM  
Not that anyone cares, but "Neoconservative" was coined in Reagan's time...

Irving Kristol wrote "What Is a Neoconservative?" in 1976. The political philosophy had existed prior to 1976 but Kristol gave it its name.

Sorry. You win the home game and Rice-a-Roni.
 
2007-02-19 01:03:28 PM  
WizardX:I, having been born a full decade AFTER the summer of love, have NO INFORMED OPINION ON THE SUBJECT WHATSOEVER.

Not necessarily. Sometimes its hard to have a clear perspective on something if you participated in it. Just like our children will have access to more information about and will possibly have a better perspective on whats going on now than we do.
 
2007-02-19 01:06:55 PM  
El Freak

I agree. Sometimes. But I'm increasingly convinced that THAT is one where there just is no objective account. It's just a matter of picking a bias and sticking to it.
 
2007-02-19 01:22:27 PM  
downtownkid: I'll give you something to blame the hippies for: the endless cycle of poverty black people are caught in. Those wonderful liberal social impulses led to the sweeping reform of the welfare system in 1968. The result: a system that penalizes poor folk for rising above a certain income level. This led to the social acceptability of unwed parents, as you are much better off jobbing the system so you don't go over the income level and lose your apartment and benefits. Lather, rinse and repeat. Those good intentions killed the ability to become self-sufficient and have trapped generations in the ghetto. Thanks, hippies!

Nice troll. Too bad the "Great Society" programs came about under LBJ-- the president the hippies were protesting against.

Try reading history sometime.
 
2007-02-19 01:22:40 PM  
munchkinette: Haight St. may be a hippie theme park for naive tourists, but you don't see that many real hippies on the street anymore.

There's a farking GAP at the corner of Haight and Ashbury. Anyone who considers if a hippie theme park needs to get punched in the cock.
 
2007-02-19 01:23:29 PM  
Hippies stank then and stink now. By the way many of those old hippies are rich and VPs of banks and are neo-cons themselves.
 
2007-02-19 01:24:45 PM  
RocketRod - My favorite passage from Fear and Loathing, a poignant passage nicely counterbalancing the rest of the book.

I'm currently taking a history class on 1968 and the surrounding years, interesting stuff, but a lot of annoying people...

/quit your whining, Marcuse
//fark of, Situationist bastards
 
2007-02-19 01:24:51 PM  
Yeah, I'm not buying the whole "Neo-Con movement was formed by disillusioned hippies" argument either. You'd have to be pretty demented to adopt a philosophy of pre-emptive wars, heartless corporatism and belligerent empire-building just because you caught the clap from some chick at a Grateful Dead show.
 
2007-02-19 01:27:08 PM  
And I'm including most of the kids that are hanging out at jamband festivals and shows.

Jerry Garcia: Noted GOP contributor and worked tirelessly on the re-elect Nixon campaign. A lot of people don't know this but "Sugar Magnolia" is a song about a young Nancy Reagan on whom Jerry-bear had a long-lasting crush.
 
2007-02-19 01:27:19 PM  
Hashbury is a cool area, even if you aren't there to buy a bong. Though it may be dense with grifters, it's a nice Victorian stroll for any type of day. Also, on your way back to the parking lot at Golden Gate Park, you can go to Amoeba Records AND McDonald's.
 
2007-02-19 01:27:48 PM  
I, having been born a full decade AFTER the summer of love, have NO INFORMED OPINION ON THE SUBJECT WHATSOEVER.

And neither, I'm guessing, do 90% of you.

Now, if you were alive (and sentient) at the time, preach on.


If you were alive and sentient through the Summer of Love, you either weren't there or you were a narc.

NARC!
 
2007-02-19 01:29:47 PM  
snikrepkire: You beat me to the Gap thing. I think I stood there on the corner for about 5 minutes with my head hung.

"Here we stand, one of the meccas of counterculture. With this."

/do miss Kan Zaman.. MMmm hookahs and hummus
 
2007-02-19 01:29:56 PM  
Hehehe. Nice headline, submitter. Now I'm exiting this tar baby before I get sucked right to the bottom arguing with baby-boomers about how pointless and self-centered their existence is.
 
2007-02-19 01:31:00 PM  
WizardX:It's just a matter of picking a bias and sticking to it.

Exactly. I think a lot of people who weren't born then just get sick to death of hearing the people who were alive then constantly rant about how wonderful and perfect it all was. It was not. That generation did a lot of good things, but there were a hell of a lot of problems as well. But apparently you're not allowed to say that. So people get pissed and the "farking filthy hippies" stuff gets started. Both perspectives are skewed. I think the truth really is somewhere in the middle.
 
2007-02-19 01:32:13 PM  
Sorry IMO Jefferson Airplane's sound and music reflected the music and time more than the Grateful Dead. And I liked the Grateful Dead.
 
2007-02-19 01:32:25 PM  
The 60s are dead. Some people should join it.
 
2007-02-19 01:33:37 PM  
"RocketRod - My favorite passage from Fear and Loathing, a poignant passage nicely counterbalancing the rest of the book."

I have always fantasized about riding a Vincent BlackShadow through the middle of a hippy desert rave...kicking over hibachis as I went. And yelling 'you stink'

/Mint 400
 
2007-02-19 01:34:29 PM  
Shame on you, submitter! Talk all the shiat you want about the hippie movement...but Jerry?? That's just bad form.
/Long live the Summer of Love
 
2007-02-19 01:34:33 PM  
As an outside observer, "hippies" and their supposed "culture" and "revolution" can be summed up in one word: interesting. The same as a car accident or your dog trying to chase its tail.

None of the aforementioned were: effectual, worthwhile, healthy, or liberating.

I would agree with: destructive, degrading, boring, pointless, self-obsessed, wreckless, and evil.

Thanks, you're the reason more and more kids have sex before age 14. Why nobody thinks "marriage" is a worthwhile enterprise. Why me, and far too many other kids, grow up in single parent homes. Why our society is so sick it is considering matching the union of two people of the same sex equally, in spiritual, legal, and child-bearing terms, as true marriage.

Thanks, assholes.
 
2007-02-19 01:35:46 PM  
Condolences! The bums lost. My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, farkers? ...
 
2007-02-19 01:36:50 PM  
Patiently waiting for the whole farking place to fall into the ocean! Jackasses would not know a "hippie" if it fell on their head!

//Grateful Dead Sucks btw\\
 
2007-02-19 01:37:22 PM  
Jam bands suck!!

/got nuthin'
 
2007-02-19 01:37:26 PM  
FTFA: The Summer of Love "was not all that great," the 59-year-old vocalist-guitarist said.... "The summer before was wonderful."

Ugh, Bob Weir is such a douche. I've always been appalled by the "I did it first and was tired of it before the rest of you found out about it" conceit, and this seems to be the only card he has left.

People who blindly stumble into good fortune and then coast on it for decades should be more... I don't know... humble? Appreciative?
 
2007-02-19 01:37:47 PM  
"Hey fellow conservatives, I have a great idea. Let's divert attention from the sickening abysmal failure of the Iraq policy that we supported, and instead take mindless swipes at idealistic hippies and other easy, uninspired targets! That'll be great! We can trot out the same tired misconceptions over and over, all the while avoiding any discussion or responsibility for the ruinous situation we've currently plunged the country into! Awesome!"
 
2007-02-19 01:39:34 PM  
oldebayer

The dirty little secret of the Neocons is that they are all on LSD the best that big pharma has to offer.

/hey, you get what you pay for
 
2007-02-19 01:40:06 PM  
Nice try, danlpoon. "Sugar Magnolia" was a Bob Weir tune
 
2007-02-19 01:40:13 PM  
but Jerry?? That's just bad form.

Sorry. But it's true. Jerry had a Barry Goldwater tattoo.
 
2007-02-19 01:40:22 PM  
El Freak

I agree.

My point was, I don't think it's possible for anyone not alive at that time to sort through the various accounts and come out of it with some sort of informed opinion of what went on or what good or bad came out of it.

I regard those couple years as a big inderterminent blip on the American historical radar. Most people who lived through it don't really know what happened, and certainly no one who came after.
 
2007-02-19 01:40:23 PM  
LahDeeFreakingDah: "Too bad the "Great Society" programs came about under LBJ-- the president the hippies were protesting against. Try reading history sometime."

Yes, you are right. There is no way whatsoever that having a large segment of society moving in one direction could cause the political discourse to shift with them.

What I posted was at least arguable, your response was stupid. You are arguing that the general tendency of society pulling to the left at the time couldn't have persuaded the President to enact more liberal policies?
 
2007-02-19 01:40:31 PM  
Haven't been to the Haight in 20 years...I loves my Grateful Dead, though.

In all honesty, I can't imagine ANYBODY wanting to go back to those times. In addition to the influx of all the wanna-bes into the scene, the late 1960's was just not a good time in American history. War, violence, assassination, riots...serious shiat going down.

I recall the "hippies" had a Death Of The Hippie funeral procession down the Haight. They carried a coffin, symbolizing the end of the "movement."

For the Deadheads among us: I find it interesting that Weir was around to see TWO scenes he was involved with self-destruct due to popularity. First went the Haight, then went the Dead scene in the 1990's. Not that I'm blaming Bobby for it, but it must have been interesting from his point of view to see the implosion happening all over again.


/One way or another, this Darkness got to give.
 
2007-02-19 01:41:44 PM  
Blame the Boomers. They are so narcissistic. They are going to redefine retirement. Yeah they will redefine it to "give us the money, leave none for their grandkids." Bunch self-righteous guilt ridden ninnies that fought the system, but now they ARE the system! Boomers should just retire and let the adults run things from now on.
 
2007-02-19 01:41:45 PM  
If the "Jerry" you're referring to is Jerry Garcia, then you're accusing the wrong person. By Altmont, the Grateful Dead had started disassociating itself with the hippie scene and had even participated in several "death of the hippie" parades and marches to tell everyone that there was nothing there for them in California and to stop showing up. He was so against being political that he wrote a song called "Cream Puff War" to tell everyone to leave the band out of it. All they wanted to do was play music.
 
2007-02-19 01:41:58 PM  
don't blame jerry. TGD just made happy music that everybody could dance to, in any state or frame of mind

/except neocons
//who don't believe in dancing
 
2007-02-19 01:42:27 PM  
i live in the neighborhood now. the gap closed as of about 2 weeks ago, you can still see a lot of the 'hippies who own million dollar victorians,' etc. the 'hippies' now are actually gutter punk kids who yell at you when you don't give them spare change or a cigarette and those who used to offer you weed now offer you meth. i would love if it were more 'summer of love'-esque now.
 
2007-02-19 01:44:31 PM  
Nice try, danlpoon. "Sugar Magnolia" was a Bob Weir tune

Phil Lesh was his High School Class President and a "Mathlete". Hippie, indeed.

Tallahassee is full of aging hippie douches. We have a Volvo dealer on every corner and an outdoor music festival every freakin' day, seems like.

Jam bands suck!!

But Festivals rule. I'm no hippie but I won't miss a good festival.
 
2007-02-19 01:45:00 PM  
What's with all of the bitterness and disdain? The hippies never did anything to you. They didn't ruin the country and they certainly didn't cause your parents' divorce. At its heart, the hippie movement was an idealist enterprise just like any other-- it was just a group of people coming together to live what they believed. Yes, there were sex and drugs...but the concepts behind everything that they stood for were peace and love. Why this still sparks so much anger, I'll never understand.
 
2007-02-19 01:45:15 PM  
Not surprising, considering that sub-culture was maintained purely as a testing ground for CIA mind-control experiments.
 
2007-02-19 01:45:32 PM  
cankersnore:"Hey fellow conservatives, I have a great idea. Let's divert attention from the sickening abysmal failure of the Iraq policy that we supported, and instead take mindless swipes at idealistic hippies and other easy, uninspired targets! That'll be great! We can trot out the same tired misconceptions over and over, all the while avoiding any discussion or responsibility for the ruinous situation we've currently plunged the country into! Awesome!"

Do you want to talk about the fact that so many people who came of age in the 60s turned out to be more ultra-conservative than even there parents were? How Nixon, Reagan, and Dubya each served two terms since then? No?

I like how so many of you just naturally assumed that subby is a conservative, without bothering to read what the headline says. You just saw some actual criticism of something you believe, and went into attack mode.

/not subby
 
2007-02-19 01:47:08 PM  
FuzzplugJones: /no, I don't know why I bother either.

probably because you're totally incorrect?
 
2007-02-19 01:47:23 PM  
cankersnore, Uh, you do realize that the article is about the summer of love, and the thread is responses to it, right? Sometimes people with different mindsets are allowed to express their opinion? Everything isn't some Republican conspiracy, even if you want it to be?
 
2007-02-19 01:48:08 PM  
www.robbooth.net

HIPPIE DRILL. that is all.
 
2007-02-19 01:48:46 PM  
tmd0925: Why our society is so sick it is considering matching the union of two people of the same sex equally, in spiritual, legal, and child-bearing terms, as true marriage.

You're cute. Wanna fark?
 
2007-02-19 01:50:14 PM  
tmd0925: Thanks, you're the reason more and more kids have sex before age 14. Why nobody thinks "marriage" is a worthwhile enterprise. Why me, and far too many other kids, grow up in single parent homes. Why our society is so sick it is considering matching the union of two people of the same sex equally, in spiritual, legal, and child-bearing terms, as true marriage.

You had me going until that last item. Next I suppose you'll complain about "the coloreds" getting to vote.
 
2007-02-19 01:50:56 PM  
Marcus Aurelius: Dirty, filthy hippies: is there anything we can't blame on them?

We can't blame them for sticking to their beliefs.
 
2007-02-19 01:51:03 PM  
Hippiedom, it's cool as long as you manage to outgrow it.
 
2007-02-19 01:51:26 PM  
tmd0925: Why our society is so sick it is considering matching the union of two people of the same sex equally, in spiritual, legal, and child-bearing terms, as true marriage.

I bet somebody has the site buttbangedtwinks.com in their browser history.
 
2007-02-19 01:52:44 PM  
Aar1012:We can't blame them for sticking to their beliefs.

How many of them actually did?
 
2007-02-19 01:52:46 PM  
Stupid farking hippies.
 
2007-02-19 01:53:52 PM  
El Freak: "Do you want to talk about the fact that so many people who came of age in the 60s turned out to be more ultra-conservative than even there parents were?"

No, what I want to talk about is how people since then can't figure out the difference between "their," "there," and "they're."

As for people being more/less conservative than their parents, I'd only talk about that if you could point to statistics that demonstrate the trend. It's unclear whether the post-'60s conservatives were from the same families as hippies (ala "Family Ties") or were already from conservative families.

"How Nixon, Reagan, and Dubya each served two terms since then? No?"

What's the point of that? Nobody ever claimed that hippies became the majority. It's definitely worth noting that the voting public was pretty different in '68, '72, '80, '84, '00, and '04. You'd also have to factor in Clinton's two terms, and the indusputable fact that Bush didn't really win the '00 election.

"I like how so many of you just naturally assumed that subby is a conservative, without bothering to read what the headline says. You just saw some actual criticism of something you believe, and went into attack mode."

I like you you just naturally assumed that my post was in response to the submitter and not to several of the other posts in the thread, which just saw some actual reiteration of something they believed, and went into attack mode.
 
2007-02-19 01:54:06 PM  
You know for all the hype that surrounds it the real hippy movement lasted for less time than the Iraq war.

The 60s was a time of radical social change but the hippy culture was more of a byproduct of the civil rights movement and the availability of cheap effective birth control. The rest was all fad.

Trends like folk music as a commodity and women wearing blue jeans made their mark on society - but those were the most lasting effects of summer of love.

Most of the hippies of the 60s were pack animals and while they didn't conform to their parents ideals they certainly conformed to each other. They are still conformists and incredibly susceptible to peer pressure.
 
2007-02-19 01:54:23 PM  
CaptainFatass wins, thread over.
 
2007-02-19 01:54:28 PM  
oops, indisputable
 
2007-02-19 01:56:18 PM  
Hickory-smoked

Next I suppose you'll complain about "the coloreds" getting to vote.

Damn SNCC members...buncha white hippies, disrupting God's plan.
 
2007-02-19 01:57:47 PM  
downtownkid: "cankersnore, Uh, you do realize that the article is about the summer of love, and the thread is responses to it, right? Sometimes people with different mindsets are allowed to express their opinion? Everything isn't some Republican conspiracy, even if you want it to be?"

downtown kid, Uh, you do realize that some of the messages in the thread draw ridiculous conclusions from the article, right? Sometimes people with different mindsets are allowed to express their opinion in a mocking, satirical-quotation fashion? Everything isn't an articulation of belief in a Republican conspiracy, even if you want to interpret it to be?
 
2007-02-19 01:58:39 PM  
That's quite possibly one of the most "Fair and Balanced" headlines in a long time. Sticks it to everybody...
 
2007-02-19 01:58:48 PM  
neo-cons are horrible and are driving our country towards failure

/libs too
 
2007-02-19 01:59:43 PM  
what now?
 
2007-02-19 02:00:31 PM  
You had me going until that last item. Next I suppose you'll complain about "the coloreds" getting to vote.


The idea that gay marriage is some sort of civil rights movement is another convoluted, idealist way to always assault the "problem" of moral structure. The color of a person's skin is not, in and of itself, a detriment to the structure of society while gay marriage truly is, no matter how sympathy-whorish they try to make their argument. A child raised by two people of the same sex will not be psychologically sound. I don't listen to alternative viewpoints, the ideal parent relationship is a man and the woman, any incentive to do otherwise is an irresponsible abatement against the development of children.

What's with all of the bitterness and disdain? The hippies never did anything to you. They didn't ruin the country and they certainly didn't cause your parents' divorce. At its heart, the hippie movement was an idealist enterprise just like any other-- it was just a group of people coming together to live what they believed. Yes, there were sex and drugs...but the concepts behind everything that they stood for were peace and love. Why this still sparks so much anger, I'll never understand.


Hippies graduate from college. Hippies go into shell-shock at the harshiaties of private industry. Hippies go into law, more school means more pressure, more talking about impractical philosophies. Hippies become lawmakers. Hippies legislate their own sicknesses, from drug use to sexual freedoms. They look at taxation and the public sector as the means to have mom and dad pay for college and drugs...forever.

The rest of the hippies go on to have children they smoke joints and party with, never having matured themselves due to the deterrent drugs ALWAYS have on the mental and spiritual growth of people.

So on and so forth. Nothing is "harmless" when it manifests itself to harm society, as well as the mental health and well being of the people the "secular" movement affected.

I used to work in a personal injury law firm. All seven lawyers were far-left liberals with drug habits. They took insurance company money and lived off the fat it created, never maturing, never becoming decent people.

In short, they were subversive, hateful, self-righteous hippies.
 
2007-02-19 02:01:17 PM  
Buncha hippies built the internet. Suck on THAT subby...

This hippie plies his trade as an engineer, both my car and truck get over 30 mpg. I heat my house with wood, have wind technology and on a good day actually sell electric back into the grid. I bathe every day you fascist pigs and I AM DOING MORE TO BREAK THE STRANGLEHOLD THAT CORPORATIONS HAVE ON THIS GREAT NATION than 95% of you WANNABE grownups would ever concieve of.

Subby...I hope your giant blood sucking SUV get's stuck in a permanent traffic jam and you choke on your own fumes.

FARK neocon's...nothing but corporate apologists anyways.

/You killed my friends at Kent State.
//I will never forget.
///Neocon = conform...I say NEVER!
 
2007-02-19 02:01:27 PM  
Dear subby,

Sorry buddy, but you're out of line here. I'll leave the rest of the neo-con stuff to everybody else. I'm taking you on re: Haight St.

Haight St. is crowded and touristy, yes, but it's no hippie theme park. The Haight-Ashbury drag is pretty much San Francisco's answer to the Williamsburg, Brooklyn shopping district. There are 3 or 4 pretty decent thrift stores, and surprisingly a lot of really great places to eat. Blue Front cafe has this rocking falafel burrito wrap that puts most of NYC's falafels to shame. There's also Amoeba records, which lives up to all the hype, and some other clothing stores and coffee shops that ensure I don't really need to miss New York, at least in terms of shopping and eating.

Otherwise, there are a lot of panhandlers, but they're all the safety-pin draped anarchist-punks, not hippies. There are some feces-smeared crazy old bums too, and they seem to get by fine on spare change from the tourists in freshly-minted Grateful Dead t-shirts. There are dozens of identical faux-hippie memento and glass pipe shops that nobody local ever goes into.

Hashbury is basically a crowded hipster drag, which I still find entertaining for an afternoon in spite of the sometimes nauseating tourist throngs. Think American Apparel + Lattes + Checkered Vans shoes.

Hardly a hippie theme park. So stick to what you know, submitter. From the looks of things, political/social commentary doesn't fall under that category either.

/Alamo Square
//Former Williamsburg
 
2007-02-19 02:03:47 PM  
You'd have to be pretty demented to adopt a philosophy of pre-emptive wars, heartless corporatism and belligerent empire-building just because you caught the clap from some chick at a Grateful Dead show.

if you're in the war business, it doesn't seem demented. if you were well placed to benefit from a beligerant america and you took acid, your eye-opening experience may be a loss of 'bullshiat' morality on the subject. remember? the word is "enlightened self-interest"

I didn't buy the whole thing at first either, i still don't, but it isn't totally insane.
 
2007-02-19 02:03:50 PM  
Neoconservatives came from an unholy marriage between the ideological descendents of Woodrow Wilson and disaffected Trotskyites like David Horowitz. They had nothing to do with "hippies" at large or the Port Huron Statement or the such.

The 1960's was not as big a deal as people have made them out to be. There was a lot going on the 50's and the 70's as well.
 
2007-02-19 02:04:27 PM  
Somacandra: There was a lot going on the 50's and the 70's as well.

And what's going on now?
 
2007-02-19 02:05:13 PM  
2007-02-19 01:57:47 PM cankersnore: Everything isn't an articulation of belief in a Republican conspiracy, even if you want to interpret it to be?

2007-02-19 01:37:47 PM cankersnore: "Hey fellow conservatives, I have a great idea. Let's divert attention from the sickening abysmal failure of the Iraq policy that we supported,

Quoting you directly isn't interpretation on my part.
 
2007-02-19 02:05:32 PM  
I realize it's pointless to comment in this thread but I'll say a few words anyway. You don't know what you're talking about. I doubt that any of you ever actually met a real hippie. Everything you know about them is based on media stereotypes that were deliberately designed to make sure that you think they were dirty and so on.

Haight-Ashbury wasn't the hippies and neither was the Summer of Love, which was a brief transient event that came about pretty much spontaneously and took what I would now call the real hippies by surprise. The real hippies, people like Peter Coyote, Chester Anderson and others, were busy feeding all those runaway kids and other homeless people.

You can now blame all your troubles on the hippies. But maybe if you had listened to us the United States wouldn't today be a world pariah. We were right about everything.

See Remember Where You Heard It First for a long list of what the hippies (and the radical left) really stood for.
 
2007-02-19 02:06:37 PM  
tmd0925: I don't listen to alternative viewpoints

Well ok then. That's honest at least and spared me the effort of bothering to read your post. Since the only opinion you consider important is your own and its not a particularly interesting one at that.
 
2007-02-19 02:07:22 PM  
The hippies failed in their revolution. And the pendulum is still compensating by over-correcting.
 
2007-02-19 02:07:31 PM  
If you really want to know about that time period, just listen to this(pops).

randomizetimer: They are going to redefine retirement.

I'm glad I'm not the only one irritated by that stupid commercial.
 
2007-02-19 02:09:31 PM  
Are you trying to say that drugged up dipshiats couldn't succesfully run the world with flowers and bad music?

Imagine my complete surprise
 
2007-02-19 02:10:05 PM  
the Manson family were hippies
 
2007-02-19 02:10:50 PM  
Well ok then. That's honest at least and spared me the effort of bothering to read your post. Since the only opinion you consider important is your own and its not a particularly interesting one at that.


I will never understand how so many people can hold such spiteful, hateful, angry viewpoints and expect a medal for their "compassion." Things were supposed to stop being "interesting" around the time you hopped out of high school and realized all your cynicism didn't amount to a hill of beans. "Interesting" views don't build communities or help people live their lives. Nearly all of the time, they're a pain in the ass.
 
2007-02-19 02:12:15 PM  
knoxvelour

the Manson family were hippies hanger's on

There, fixed that for ya....

It's true too.
 
2007-02-19 02:14:05 PM  
Hippiedom: Come for the music, stay for the drugs.
 
2007-02-19 02:14:15 PM  
cankersnore:

You're completely missing my, and I believe submitter's point: hippies FAILED, for the most part. It was an overhyped fad that accomplished extremely little, good ideals or no. And other than that tmd dipshiat, that is pretty much all that has been said in this thread. I would like to know your evidence that we're all just a bunch of neocons here. Or are you just another hyper-partisan troll who can't take criticism of your own side?
 
2007-02-19 02:18:17 PM  
Talking of Altamont, the Aussie outfit Black Cab released a great 'concept album' called Atamont Diary featuring a lot of evocative stuff like samples from the Gimmie Shelter movie 'n all. It certainly sparked my interest in music from that era, and is well worth a listen.

/Good in all the violent spaces
 
2007-02-19 02:18:27 PM  
tmd0925:I will never understand how so many people can hold such spiteful, hateful, angry viewpoints and expect a medal for their "compassion." Things were supposed to stop being "interesting" around the time you hopped out of high school and realized all your cynicism didn't amount to a hill of beans. "Interesting" views don't build communities or help people live their lives. Nearly all of the time, they're a pain in the ass.

Dude, you basically declared yourself right, that you will always be right, and that you won't listen to ideas that you don't already agree with. That basically makes you an idiot, and you were rightfully called out as one. Spare us your "I'm a poor, oppressed conservative because some people don't agree with me" whining.
 
2007-02-19 02:19:00 PM  
But why let reality get in the way of a good story?
 
2007-02-19 02:21:02 PM  
2007-02-19 02:14:15 PM El Freak

If hippies failed, what, exactly was the "hippie agenda"? Was it like the gay agenda? Legalization of hemp? I can agree they failed if that was indeed their agenda.
 
2007-02-19 02:22:26 PM  
Woodstock über alles

/all you label are belong to us
 
2007-02-19 02:22:41 PM  
Dude, you basically declared yourself right, that you will always be right, and that you won't listen to ideas that you don't already agree with.


Yea, it's called values, making a decision, coming to the end roads in your ideology, realizing your promotion of those values makes your life worth living. Stick to your guns, wake up every day for a few weeks being the SAME person, and not belching wayward anger at everybody and everything you don't like because you're still "figuring things out" while they got their metaphysical homework done.

All those depressive tendencies might just wash away. You might actually be able to refrain from calling articulate people who disagree with you 'idiots.'
 
2007-02-19 02:23:07 PM  
tmd0925,
you are an angry, judgemental and mislead person. I hope that you can sort through and make peace with all of your hatefulness before it eats you alive.
 
2007-02-19 02:24:21 PM  
"the LSD revolution failed miserably, leading to the rise of the neocon. Thanks, Jerry"


There were two poles in the bay area in the sixties.
San Francisco was more about expanding the mind through LSD and anti-materialistic while Berkeley was more Jewish, so more traditionally leftist/politcal. The Neo-conservatives started out as Jewish "yippies" who never really accepted gentile liberalism/hippiedom. They were traditional Jewish leftists with leanings towards anarchism. Eventually they embraced traditional mature Jewish ideologies such as the overriding support for other Jews. This led them to support the the Cold War as the USSR was supporting arab nations against Israel and suppressing Jewish dissidents. Neo-conservatism was primarily a Jewish movement. Most gentile hippies remained somewhat altruistic in thought if not actions.

A very simplistic narative but so much more accurate then anything else here.

/grew up in the bay area during the sixties
 
2007-02-19 02:25:32 PM  
Oh, BTW is was governor Ronald Regan who first made LSD illegal......
 
2007-02-19 02:25:33 PM  
The world pre 1970 or so was a dirty horrible place.

The development of deoderants helped.

/should be the law!
 
2007-02-19 02:25:40 PM  
If hippies failed, what, exactly was the "hippie agenda"?


Communism, with more drugs and subversive forms of rape.

Maybe spice it up with environmentalism, nuclear arms hatred, blah blah blah, whatever the "issue" of the week may be. What I mentioned is what seems to "stick" since hippies, like everybody, are just self-interested. They have a sloppy way of going about it.
 
2007-02-19 02:25:40 PM  
I highly recommend the chapter 'The Age of Charlie Blossom' from Studs Terkel's book/collection of interviews 'Working'.

In it, the eponymous hippie pretty much sums up the whole farking thing in his own words to the generally very sympathetic to left wing causes Terkel...

'So man, I was like, work is for squares so I just took my shirt off and started meditating on the floor all day, and encouraging those around me to do the same. And then, this square boss man tried to ask me to please stop doing that, and to please get back to work, and tells me I can still meditate, but please also try to work. Man those farking establishment guys make me so mad, they don't understand anything about the peace and love movement man. So then I'm handing out organic raisins to my coworkers, and I'm like totally high on LSD man, and I've stopped bathing. I'm talking about the love movement man, and then the farking boss asks me again to please put my shirt on and go back to work, and it makes me dream about firebombing those farking squares man, I wish I could get a 357 and shoot him in the head and everyone like him and paint his brains all over the floor man!'

(pretty close paraphrase)
 
2007-02-19 02:25:47 PM  
Actually, very, very few of us of that era were "hippies". However many of us were of an "activist" generation that questioned authority, something that most of today's generation seems to shun. It is unfortunate because what is labeled the "hippie generation" was able to help stop an impending police state under the Nixon administration. Those of you sheeple who don't bother to think for yourselves, blindly believe the Bush administration jingoism, and don't demand your Constitutional Rights will likely get what you have earned: A Police State. Enjoy!
 
2007-02-19 02:26:05 PM  
thebridalblog.observer.com
 
2007-02-19 02:26:25 PM  
2007-02-19 02:01:27 PM Luminance_Value


Dear subby,

Sorry buddy, but you're out of line here. I'll leave the rest of the neo-con stuff to everybody else. I'm taking you on re: Haight St.

Haight St. is crowded and touristy, yes, but it's no hippie theme park. The Haight-Ashbury drag is pretty much San Francisco's answer to the Williamsburg, Brooklyn shopping district. There are 3 or 4 pretty decent thrift stores, and surprisingly a lot of really great places to eat. Blue Front cafe has this rocking falafel burrito wrap that puts most of NYC's falafels to shame. There's also Amoeba records, which lives up to all the hype, and some other clothing stores and coffee shops that ensure I don't really need to miss New York, at least in terms of shopping and eating.

Otherwise, there are a lot of panhandlers, but they're all the safety-pin draped anarchist-punks, not hippies. There are some feces-smeared crazy old bums too, and they seem to get by fine on spare change from the tourists in freshly-minted Grateful Dead t-shirts. There are dozens of identical faux-hippie memento and glass pipe shops that nobody local ever goes into.

Hashbury is basically a crowded hipster drag, which I still find entertaining for an afternoon in spite of the sometimes nauseating tourist throngs. Think American Apparel + Lattes + Checkered Vans shoes.

Hardly a hippie theme park. So stick to what you know, submitter. From the looks of things, political/social commentary doesn't fall under that category either.

/Alamo Square
//Former Williamsburg


Summed up pretty perfectly. On a warm day it used to be favorite diversion of mine to grab the window table at the Gold Cane and watch the nubile hipster chicks flit by in their summer clothing, the occasional breeze coming in off of Golden Gate park bringing a stiffness to their nipples.
 
2007-02-19 02:26:51 PM  
maffick

Oh, BTW is was governor Ronald Regan who first made LSD illegal......

Man... was there anything the guy couldn't do?
 
2007-02-19 02:27:23 PM  
tmd0925: The idea that gay marriage is some sort of civil rights movement is another convoluted, idealist way to always assault the "problem" of moral structure. The color of a person's skin is not, in and of itself, a detriment to the structure of society while gay marriage truly is, no matter how sympathy-whorish they try to make their argument.

There is not a word of this that wasn't believed just as feverently by the Bible-thumping traditionalists of the 1950's who swore with all their might that desegregation was the path to moral anarchy.

A child raised by two people of the same sex will not be psychologically sound.

Verifiably false. (pops)

If the hippies who caused later generations to actually start favoring liberty and fairness over traditional superstition, then I for one raise my glass to them.
 
2007-02-19 02:27:39 PM  
you are an angry, judgemental and mislead person. I hope that you can sort through and make peace with all of your hatefulness before it eats you alive.


I'm wwaayyy happy. After I stopped caring what the world was trying to tell me to do and jumped off the libbie bandwagon, I've nary had a sour day.

Join us whenever you're ready.
 
2007-02-19 02:28:31 PM  
DY High

Actually, very, very few of us of that era were "hippies". However many of us were of an "activist" generation that questioned authority, something that most of today's generation seems to shun. It is unfortunate because what is labeled the "hippie generation" was able to help stop an impending police state under the Nixon administration. Those of you sheeple who don't bother to think for yourselves, blindly believe the Bush administration jingoism, and don't demand your Constitutional Rights will likely get what you have earned: A Police State. Enjoy!

Sorry mooonbeam, as a generation you mostly just whored it up, got stoned off your asses, and reduced the credibility of intelligent progressives who bathed and actually had some idea what they were talking about.
 
2007-02-19 02:29:36 PM  
Haight-Ashbury wasn't the hippies and neither was the Summer of Love,

And is just an extension of the Beat movement of the 50's which was just a reaction to globalism after the war. Young people seeing the attention a counterculture could harness used the anti-war palette to act selfish under the guise of enlightenment. To say it went nowhere isn't really true. Kids today are just as myopic and self centered as ever and are co-opting whichever social topic suits their lazy selfish lifestyle. The IMF protests are proof. 1000 protestors with 999 different messages.
 
2007-02-19 02:30:57 PM  
tmd0925:Yea, it's called values

There's a line between having "values" and being a close-minded, willfully ignorant ass. I like how you assume that nobody you disagree with has any sort of values or moral compass. Maybe their values are different than the ones you claim to have? Has that thought ever entered your brain at any point in your life? I know exactly what my values are and what I stand for.
 
2007-02-19 02:31:30 PM  
Maybe the hippies did go to far sometimes. I'll have to ask my ex-hippie grandpa about that, the next time I visit him in his old folks home.

Fer chrissakes, the Sixties were forty (that's a 4 followed by a zero) years ago.

Grumbling about the hippies is sort of like people in the Sixties worrying about the menace posed by flappers and bathtub gin.
 
2007-02-19 02:32:07 PM  
Man... was there anything the guy couldn't do?

Acting.
Remembering.
 
2007-02-19 02:33:05 PM  
I think sad might have been better. It makes me die inside a little bit more each time a great revolution gets subsumed by drugs.
 
2007-02-19 02:33:19 PM  
Hippies: The ultmate right wing boogieman.
 
2007-02-19 02:35:46 PM  
DY High:It is unfortunate because what is labeled the "hippie generation" was able to help stop an impending police state under the Nixon administration.

Yeah, that's why we haven't had 30 years of increasing government intrusion into our lives, why Reagan and both Bushes were defeated in landslides, why we haven't constantly been engaged in military action of some sort against other countries constantly for the past 40 years or so, and why nobody supported legislation like the Patriot Act. Oh, wait.

The "hippie generation" didn't stop shiat.
 
2007-02-19 02:36:06 PM  
well, the GAP on the corner of haight and ashbury is closed now, thank goodness.
but the sidewalks are full of tattooed gutter punks begging for spare change. A lot of those kids are trust fund babies out there to make their parents mad.
(I know, used to live in the neighborhood and talked to the kids...)
they ask for change, but are covered in (expensive) tattoos, and a lot of them have dogs.
the haight ashbury district is unpleasant, and there is not a club up there that has live music on a regular basis.
if it wasnt for amoeba records, (the best independant record store in the UNIVERSE) there would be NO reason to ever go up there.....ever.
IMHO,
happily living down the hill in the sunny mission district.....
 
2007-02-19 02:36:32 PM  
Hickory-smoked:
Verifiably false. (pops)


Statistics from Wikipedia? You act like you've got some sort of silver bullet, settle down. It's not as if "social researchers" make their best effort to have their study be controversial or to disprove a past trend in order to advance their careers and have their work seen. Nnaahhh, they're always honest.

Why would you believe those articles over the Christian-group funded study regarding pedophiles? Or vice-versa? I know why, because it plays into your own "superstitions."

Can't you think back to your youth when, oh I don't know, Timmy, who grew up with his two "uncles," just wasn't quite right? Or Jenny, who didn't have a dad, slept around a bit too much? Or Bobby, with a mom and three sisters, was a little too sensitive? Common sense isn't "superstition." It is a collection of judgements based on ~pragmatic reality.~

And if we abolish the church and other moral principles, where do you, and the rest of the angry hippies, base your actions on being good to your fellow man? Off of ABC After-School specials?

I love coming here and seeing the psychosomatic shiatstorm, you guys never let me down.
 
2007-02-19 02:36:43 PM  
What event defined the late 1960's? Was it Woodstock? Doubtful. More people showed up in Florida to watch Apollo 11 lift off than went to Max Yasgur's farm.

The hippy subculture was a bunch of preening, naive youngsters more worried about themselves than anything or anyone else.
 
2007-02-19 02:37:07 PM  
home.insightbb.com

Where have all the flowers gone? This picture was taken in 1998 at the Rainbow Gathering in Arizona. I was there somewhere.

All I can say about hippies is that they personify what makes America, America. Their freedom of expression, disregard for social norms, willingness to buck the system, and overall laissez faire attitude is at the heart of the American Spirit.

Sure, a lot of crumped up, self important, stiff necked windbags hate hippies! Of course they do! Just like Brittons hated the Colonists, hippies represent a tear in the paper thin social marching order that conformists hold so sacred.

Here's what pisses you off.
1. Hippies don't care how much money you make.
2. Hippies don't care if you bathe twice a day or twice a week
3. Hippies disregard all of your hard gained social/wealth status symbols
4. Hippies don't show you the respect your self important ego demands
5. Hippies enjoy a free spirited life, which makes it tougher for you to justify getting up to slave everyday for your status/wealth symbols
6. The very presence of hippies shows that all of your modern day equivalents of bustles, crumpets and tea, stiff high necked collars, suits and ties, and various other business acoutrements are simply a bunch of clap-trap props meant to boost your self esteem enough so that you can continue "playing the part". Seeing someone who has disregarded the ridiculous social requirement of "business attire" makes your tie seem to fit even tighter, you collar chafe a bit rougher.
7. Monkeys in a cage hate monkeys who are on the other side, playing in the wilderness.
8. And the #1 REASON YOU HATE HIPPIES!? Because they are having fun. You may be allowed to enjoy yourself one day a weekend, after you have removed the clap-trap monkey suit of business and made your way to the lake or the hunting lease, but these damn hippies seem to be having fun everyday doing nothing! HOW DARE THEY! Idling their time playing drums, having sex, smoking weed, making hemp jewelry, they should be ashamed! Don't they realize there is a paper thin social marching order that must be conformed too! Don't they realize that the cogs of human progress must grind forward relentlessly? Don't they realize that without a BMW no one will ever take them seriously!!!

Heaven forbid someone chooses to live their life outside the chain of fools. Heaven forbid someone escape the cave.

I can hear the inmates shrieking, "Kill the Hippies, Kill the Hippies", even the guards are in on it.

Go ahead an shriek from the confines of your computer desk. Rattle your chains and spit on the ground. The hippies are out on a lark and have already forgotten you.
 
2007-02-19 02:38:59 PM  
The only good hippie is a...

content.answers.com

hippie
 
2007-02-19 02:40:06 PM  
TMD0925: 1) as an "outside observer," you admittedly have no idea about what The Summer Of Love was all about; and 2) you wear your anger and biases way too prominently on your sleeve to try to hold yourself out as anything other than another spewer of neo-con venom.
 
2007-02-19 02:41:20 PM  
BlindMan

Sorry mooonbeam, as a generation you mostly just whored it up, got stoned off your asses, and reduced the credibility of intelligent progressives who bathed and actually had some idea what they were talking about.


Nice troll attempt...but ya lost me with the name calling.

I get high, I enjoy it. I also work everyday, and I whore for no one. People come to me because I'm good at what I do. No doubt you are as well, and in spite of your need to belittle other's for whom you disagree with, I will not assume, that you live in your mother's basement.

In the meantime, how can you denigrate an entire generation like that? You do realize the monkey currently sitting in the WH is from that generation, don't you?
 
2007-02-19 02:41:30 PM  
LahDeeFreakingDah


downtownkid: I'll give you something to blame the hippies for: the endless cycle of poverty black people are caught in. Those wonderful liberal social impulses led to the sweeping reform of the welfare system in 1968. The result: a system that penalizes poor folk for rising above a certain income level. This led to the social acceptability of unwed parents, as you are much better off jobbing the system so you don't go over the income level and lose your apartment and benefits. Lather, rinse and repeat. Those good intentions killed the ability to become self-sufficient and have trapped generations in the ghetto. Thanks, hippies!

Nice troll. Too bad the "Great Society" programs came about under LBJ-- the president the hippies were protesting against.

Try reading history sometime.



LahDeeFreakingDah - You don't have a farking clue as to what you are thalking about do you? I regret even taking the time.... you can't even put two and two together.

/Jeeeez! What a loser!
 
2007-02-19 02:42:49 PM  
El Freak:
There's a line between having "values" and being a close-minded, willfully ignorant ass. I like how you assume that nobody you disagree with has any sort of values or moral compass. Maybe their values are different than the ones you claim to have? Has that thought ever entered your brain at any point in your life? I know exactly what my values are and what I stand for.


2 + 2 = 4.

"I disagree! There's other issues to discuss! People believe otherwise!"

I'm afraid I can't listen to your alternative viewpoint.

"You are an IDIOT, WHY DO YOU HATE EVERYONE. YOU ARE A SORROWFUL MAN WHO MUST OVERCOME YOUR HATE."

This is essentially what you sound like to me.

---

It would be a safe-bet to say your views are based off of things like "equal rights," "ending poverty," and "regulating corporations." Basically, anything you can do to screw over the majority because you're spiteful. And if I'm wrong about you, it's still a safe assumption, since that's what the other 80% of people on your side of the ideological fence purport.

OK, cue up your next insult.
 
2007-02-19 02:42:51 PM  
Well, I'm still a proud hippie, and I love the Sixties and the Summer of Love. Beautiful photos and music and fun times, anyway. Wish I could have been there.
 
2007-02-19 02:42:57 PM  
Necrosis: I'm currently taking a history class on 1968

Gawd, do I feel old.

/Remembers watching Tet on Huntley-Brinkley
//Still have my Mr Natural button
///"Everyone I thought was cool is six feet underground"
 
2007-02-19 02:45:31 PM  
El Freak: How many of them actually did?

I think there are more Elvis impersonators than leftover hippies
 
2007-02-19 02:46:16 PM  
dittybopper
What event defined the late 1960's? Was it Woodstock? Doubtful. More people showed up in Florida to watch Apollo 11 lift off than went to Max Yasgur's farm.

The hippy subculture was a bunch of preening, naive youngsters more worried about themselves than anything or anyone else.


Yup! And they went on to screw up America. Good to see some common sense around here.
 
2007-02-19 02:47:57 PM  
I blame disco for the demise of modern society.
and Saved by the Bell.
 
2007-02-19 02:48:03 PM  
The idea that gay marriage is some sort of civil rights movement is another convoluted, idealist way to always assault the "problem" of moral structure. The color of a person's skin is not, in and of itself, a detriment to the structure of society while gay marriage truly is, no matter how sympathy-whorish they try to make their argument. A child raised by two people of the same sex will not be psychologically sound. I don't listen to alternative viewpoints, the ideal parent relationship is a man and the woman, any incentive to do otherwise is an irresponsible abatement against the development of children.

Statistics from Wikipedia? You act like you've got some sort of silver bullet, settle down. It's not as if "social researchers" make their best effort to have their study be controversial or to disprove a past trend in order to advance their careers and have their work seen. Nnaahhh, they're always honest.

Why would you believe those articles over the Christian-group funded study regarding pedophiles? Or vice-versa? I know why, because it plays into your own "superstitions."

Can't you think back to your youth when, oh I don't know, Timmy, who grew up with his two "uncles," just wasn't quite right? Or Jenny, who didn't have a dad, slept around a bit too much? Or Bobby, with a mom and three sisters, was a little too sensitive? Common sense isn't "superstition." It is a collection of judgements based on ~pragmatic reality.~

And if we abolish the church and other moral principles, where do you, and the rest of the angry hippies, base your actions on being good to your fellow man? Off of ABC After-School specials?

I love coming here and seeing the psychosomatic shiatstorm, you guys never let me down.


And GET OFF MY DAMN LAWN!

/sorry, I'm just imagining this guy as some old coot screaming at people passing by his house.
 
2007-02-19 02:48:22 PM  
TMD0925: 1) as an "outside observer," you admittedly have no idea about what The Summer Of Love was all about;


Enlighten me. I looked it up in Websters, there doesn't seem to be an agreed upon definition. Do you have access to the secret hippie scrolls? Please, share!
 
2007-02-19 02:48:59 PM  
"It's back there a ways," Weir says. "Other stuff that proceeded that seems a little closer. I don't know. Stuff gets mixed up."

Thanks, Bob! Stunning insight!

/take a bath, hippy!
 
2007-02-19 02:51:15 PM  
Microbe

Here's what pisses you off.

1. Hippies don't care how much money you make.

I don't make much money.

2. Hippies don't care if you bathe twice a day or twice a week

That doesn't piss me off so much as annoy me. I don't like exposure to people with poor hygiene.

3. Hippies disregard all of your hard gained social/wealth status symbols

That's really just a duplicate of 1.

4. Hippies don't show you the respect your self important ego demands

Hippies don't show basic courtesy to other people's hard work. I found this out the hard way when a hippy "friend" of mine and some of his cronies trashed by place and left.

5. Hippies enjoy a free spirited life, which makes it tougher for you to justify getting up to slave everyday for your status/wealth symbols

If by "free Spirited" you mean total lack of respect for other peoples property, yeah, you could say that.

6. The very presence of hippies shows that all of your modern day equivalents of bustles, crumpets and tea, stiff high necked collars, suits and ties, and various other business acoutrements are simply a bunch of clap-trap props meant to boost your self esteem enough so that you can continue "playing the part". Seeing someone who has disregarded the ridiculous social requirement of "business attire" makes your tie seem to fit even tighter, you collar chafe a bit rougher.

No, that's what punk shows. Hippies show that some people choose to gather together and cling to a movement that lost its center a long time ago. These tend to be children of rich parents who have no motivation to actually change anything.

7. Monkeys in a cage hate monkeys who are on the other side, playing in the wilderness.

There's a monkey named Ishmael you should speak with.

8. And the #1 REASON YOU HATE HIPPIES!? Because they are having fun. You may be allowed to enjoy yourself one day a weekend, after you have removed the clap-trap monkey suit of business and made your way to the lake or the hunting lease, but these damn hippies seem to be having fun everyday doing nothing! HOW DARE THEY! Idling their time playing drums, having sex, smoking weed, making hemp jewelry, they should be ashamed! Don't they realize there is a paper thin social marching order that must be conformed too! Don't they realize that the cogs of human progress must grind forward relentlessly? Don't they realize that without a BMW no one will ever take them seriously!!!


Here's the rub. Why do hippies get to bum around all day every day? Because aside from the very few living in communes growing their own food, most hippies fill the role of scavenger on society. They make nothing and do nothing to better society. A few make decent music, a few sell drugs. The rest don't pull their own weight especially when it comes to building their ideals into real world results.

Heaven forbid someone chooses to live their life outside the chain of fools. Heaven forbid someone escape the cave.


I can hear the inmates shrieking, "Kill the Hippies, Kill the Hippies", even the guards are in on it.

Go ahead an shriek from the confines of your computer desk. Rattle your chains and spit on the ground. The hippies are out on a lark and have already forgotten you.


Then their not hippies and they have no right to the title. Hippies tried to change the world. They tried and failed. That's why punk got its start. Peaceful chanting got undermined by pot and acid. Punk got undermined by coke and booze. Cling to the past if you will monkey, I'm looking for something better.
 
2007-02-19 02:51:40 PM  
Craig341
And GET OFF MY DAMN LAWN!

/sorry, I'm just imagining this guy as some old coot screaming at people passing by his house.


LOL, hell yea, I idolize that stereotype. I'd be "hateful," but aren't they bastards since they were on the lawn in the first place?

/26 year old engineer and published fiction author.
 
2007-02-19 02:52:14 PM  
Enlighten me. I looked it up in Websters, there doesn't seem to be an agreed upon definition. Do you have access to the secret hippie scrolls? Please, share!

Free-range assfarking; why do you ask?
 
2007-02-19 02:53:26 PM  
conforming outwardly and conforming on the inside are two different things.
 
2007-02-19 02:53:59 PM  
I think all the bitterness to the submitter is probably rooted in the fact that he's right.

Nothing so painful as the truth.

Even more funny? The grunge movement that assbags like Billy Corgan actually thought was a social movement and not just a fashion fad.

We cannot have it both ways. We want to say video games and thrash music aren't responsible for violence and treatment of women, blah blah blah.

But later each artist cannot help but talk about how their music changes lives, means so much to people, etc.

The problem with hippies? Like every other social movement, they usually only connect with themselves and leave no room for those who don't think like they do.

And if you want to get anything done, often the people attractied to the hippies lifestyle aren't the most organized sort.

If you had a couple ex-facist nazi's with some hippies? Then you'd get some shiat done. Say what you will about Nazi;s, but damn they ran their meetings on time.

/incidentally, this is why Chavez will fail.
//and Mugabe
 
2007-02-19 02:54:07 PM  
2007-02-19 02:37:07 PM Microbe

heh, nice post. I asked earlier what exactly the "hippie agenda" entailed, and I think you nailed it. So it seems they did succeed with their agenda, and the headline is false.
 
2007-02-19 02:54:24 PM  
Mr.Churka

You are awesome.
 
2007-02-19 02:54:41 PM  
snikrepkire: Haight St. was one of the few places at which I cheerfully gave money to panhandlers.

Please, for FSM's sake. Don't do that. Don't give them money. I'd like to take this opportunity to say it again, DO NOT GIVE THEM MONEY!

If you need to give them anything, give them plastic shopping bags and ask them to clean up after their dogs.
 
2007-02-19 02:55:05 PM  
BLIND MAN: You are aptly named my friend. Actually VN vet, college grad on the GI Bill, raised a successful family, and am reasonably affluent. Loved my country then, love it now. Was willing to fight against an corrupt administration while serving my country as a soldier, student and citizen. Appalled at what it is becoming. A nation of sheep willing to turn over responsibility for our nation to corrupt, incompotent extremists.

"There is a monster on the loose, it has our head into a noose and we just sit there, watching."
 
2007-02-19 02:55:09 PM  
2007-02-19 02:53:59 PM nuclear_asshat

So what do you think the "hippie agenda" was that didn't succeed?
 
2007-02-19 02:56:09 PM  
OldManDownDRoad - Gawd, do I feel old.

Don't blame me, look at your username!

Sure, the hippies, yippies, radicals, new left, and so on, didn't accomplish the revolution. There were many different goals, groups, and agendas. While many of them were naive idealists or pretentious pedants, others did accomplish meaningful change. Many had connections with the civil rights movement, womens equality, gay liberation, and general tolerance that have made this country a better place.

/unless you find the "1/2 Hour Newshour" funny
 
2007-02-19 02:57:11 PM  
They're. fark man. You're hippie lack of convention is destroying my grammatical structure. Damn you Leary!
 
2007-02-19 02:57:55 PM  
tmd0925

Yup! And they went on to screw up America. Good to see some common sense around here.

All by their tiny little selves? Methinks you give them too much credit.

Hippies disagree with the war on drugs. We tend to see it as a war within society.

Hippies tend to not like war at all, Myself, I'd prefer we took a good long look at our foreign policy and try to make what changes we can to CONVINCE those that hate us that we really aren't evil corporate drones with no heart or conscience. (Remember Bhopal India? 5000 died and hundreds of thousands more are disabled, and not one criminal charge against the American's who were in charge......no wonder people hate us out side our hemisphere)

Hippies disagree with emminent domain, Your home is your home. That shopping mall or condo complex does NOT need to be built HERE.

Hippies don't like no knock warrants...In fact, we HATE the slow, inevitable creep towards the police state that we have been seeing.

Hippies may not like abortion, but we can't force the woman to carry if she don't want to. I'd rather the process be safe and sanitary than to see it be driven underground.

Hippies tend to believe in education. Maybe not always a formal education, but we LOVE the free exchange of knowledge. (we did build the internet after all.)

Hippies tend to believe in self sufficiency. Pan Handlers really were never a part of the sub culture, but if we have it, we give freely.

Your average hippie tends to believe that big government sucks big time. And most of that comes from Big government over legislating morality. (drug wars and all that)

When ya get right down to it...the average Hippie is MORE conservative than the corporate neocon's of today are.
 
2007-02-19 02:57:59 PM  
nuclear_asshat: If you had a couple ex-facist nazi's with some hippies? Then you'd get some shiat done. Say what you will about Nazi;s, but damn they ran their meetings on time.

Could you attempt to explain, with any degree of logic at all, what you are trying to say with that construct?
 
2007-02-19 02:58:39 PM  
tmd0925

/26 year old engineer and published fiction author.


I'm assuming the latter is a reference to your posts in this thread?
 
2007-02-19 02:58:46 PM  
tmd0925

Wow that's a lot of obscurantism and hate in so few paragraphs. This can only come from some neo-reactionarism. Even old conservatives aren't that nuts.
 
2007-02-19 02:59:23 PM  
Haight Asbury: Where Trustafarians squat and rudely beg for change.
 
2007-02-19 02:59:53 PM  
"You know what rock musicians are? They are hung up, neurotic, over-weight hippies with sex problems".
-Sir David Lee Roth
 
2007-02-19 02:59:55 PM  
The only hippies I've ever known are fake hippies, e.g. the trustafarian Phish-Phreak types, just killing time until they inherit their father's real estate company.
 
2007-02-19 03:00:27 PM  
Just_Another_Drug_Overdose_Survivor

Hello. I'm just curious, so I hope you'll indulge me: Why do you hate hippies so much?

/really, i'm curious
//be as verbose as possible
 
2007-02-19 03:02:05 PM  
I thought hippy-ism gave rise to the modern tardbat.
 
2007-02-19 03:02:27 PM  
What's red and yellow and looks good on hippies?


Fire.
 
2007-02-19 03:02:38 PM  
How do you get hate outta that?
 
2007-02-19 03:03:21 PM  
no clever name here just move along and there is not a club up there that has live music on a regular basis.

Yeah, that is lamentable. There used to be four or five of them. But that seems to be the general trend of the city, from what I've seen.
 
2007-02-19 03:03:30 PM  
tmd0925

It would be a safe-bet to say your views are based off of things like "equal rights," "ending poverty," and "regulating corporations." Basically, anything you can do to screw over the majority because you're spiteful.

Yeah, keep looking to corporations to look out for your best interests. Hope that works out well for you. Just watch out for the breadline outside the ENRON pension office on your way to your next NRA meeting.
 
2007-02-19 03:04:09 PM  
Most hippies I've run into are fake college student hippies who have to cut their hair when they graduate, or the hipster hippies here in Chicago that you see in Whole Foods.

In rural Indiana where I grew up (like in a town of 300 people rural), there were a troupe of hippies who lived in tree houses in the woods. Those folks were hard core, as well as being very kind and down to earth people. I like those hippies.
 
2007-02-19 03:04:20 PM  
I am really getting a kick out of all these posts, but I forget the rest of the cliche'.

For the record, the hippies were a protest to the Vietnam war, and a very effective one: If one million people march in the streets, they won't do much good, but if one million people sit on their asses and don't buy anything, they will cause considerable damage to the economy.

That causes considerable distress to the people who actually run the country, and when they talk--politicians listen.

At ther present time, we are occupied with a war which is unpopular and seems unwinnable, and if it is concluded---will probably lead to yet another conflict in another place, which will likely prove just as intractable.

The powers that be do not know how to win the war, the people don't know how to make their government obey, and there is widespread unhappiness in the land, despite a booming economy, record high employment, and all vital signs plus.

The hippies might have done some harm, but nobody can lead you anywhere you don't want to go.

Libertarian anarchist free thinkers, nationalistic, isolationist reactionaries like myself are just as much an offshoot of the hippie movement as any dork with beads and long hair.

More to the point: we know what's wrong and how to fix it.
 
2007-02-19 03:05:54 PM  
This picture was taken in 1998 at the Rainbow Gathering in Arizona

Those are Neo-hippies. More conformist than any group I've ever had the displeasure of partying with. They wear the same uniform (patch corduroy baggie shorts, peasant blouse, long dress, hemp/bead jewelry, white boy dreads). I've been to Starwars Conventions with more creativity costume-wise.

To talk with the neo-hippie is to truly discover ignorance.

Poon: I think Kerouac simply took child story themes and adapted them to post war America.

Neo-Hippie: Durr, I like Modest mouse cuz it has a banjo, DURRRRR!

So lets not confuse the hippie of today with the hippie of 1966. Today's hippie is a hippie insofar as it's an excuse for laziness.

Next Installment: The Neo-Hippie as Momma's Boy (a.k.a. How the Neo pays for his iPod)
 
2007-02-19 03:06:06 PM  
EL FREAK: You are right, the "hippie generation" didn't stop Reagan+ the Bushies. We did stop the Nixon disgrace and booted him the hell out. My point is that subsequent generations allowed the extremists (Reagan+The Bushies)to get in. And the current generation does nothing but sit on their sorry a**es while these whack jobs trample our Constitution ignore our Bill of Rights, and plunder our tax coffers to redistribute our wealth to Halliburton, et al.
 
2007-02-19 03:06:29 PM  
tmd0925: "Do you have access to the secret hippie scrolls? Please, share!"

If you were doing anything other than trolling on this thread I might talk about what it meant. You have a political agenda and the discussion of this anniversary is simply an opportunity to advance it.
 
2007-02-19 03:07:13 PM  
tmd0925:It would be a safe-bet to say your views are based off of things like "equal rights," "ending poverty," and "regulating corporations." Basically, anything you can do to screw over the majority because you're spiteful. And if I'm wrong about you, it's still a safe assumption, since that's what the other 80% of people on your side of the ideological fence purport.

Explain to me, exactly, what your problem with "equal rights" is? I really can't wait, cause this is gonna be good.

Nobody but the most deluded upper-middle class liberal arts major believes that you can end poverty. "Equal opportunity" does NOT mean people are guaranteed equal outcomes.I also believe that affirmative action is an idea whose time is long past, and its time to reevaluate it and maybe get rid of it completely. That does not mean, however, that there should not be some sort of social safety net. Study the French Revolution, or the Russian Revolution. That's what happens when a government says "fark the poor".

I would also like you to explain to me why corporations should NOT be subject to some laws and regulations. Despite what you may have heard, like government corporations ARE NOT always kind and benevolent. There's things like unethical business practices, screwing over employees, farking around with local and national governments to get what they want, things of that nature. Do you honestly believe that a gigantic corporation like GM or Microsoft should just be allowed to do whatever the hell it wants? I know you haven't heard this on Rush Limbaugh, but there is a middle ground between Lenin and Wall Street.

The world is not so simple that everything can boiled down to left and right, which is something hyper-partisan persons like you on the left AND right absolutely refuse to acknowledge.Some people don't see politics and society in terms of a football game. My team or your team. It also might shock you to know that I live in Louisiana, can't stand the northeast and California and wouldn't live there if you paid me, I like NASCAR and I can play nearly every song Lynyrd Skynyrd wrote in the 70s on guitar. What you assumed about me, you assumed based on asinine, stereotyped assumptions. What myself and others have said about you, has been based on the supremely dumbass things you've said.
 
2007-02-19 03:07:50 PM  
Extremists? Haliburton? Grow up.
 
2007-02-19 03:08:08 PM  
I quite serendipitously caught the tail end of the Grateful Dead era. I followed them for awhile, went to a couple Rainbow gatherings, and lived a wonderful life on the road with a family of hippies. It was the absolute time of my life, and the experience made me a much better person. For those of you saying that way of life didn't do anyone any good, I have to wholeheartedly disagree. I saw many beautiful things while I was on that trip, and I am eternally grateful for the hand that fate dealt me.

RIP Jerry :)
 
2007-02-19 03:08:19 PM  
Michael Milken has contributed more to the world than Timothy Leary.
 
2007-02-19 03:08:44 PM  
olddinosaur

Good post.

More to the point: we know what's wrong and how to fix it.


Hehe, true but sadly false when applied to reality. Nukes solve everything, they just aren't marketable, kinda like Phen Phen. So it goes with many "solutions."

/hippies weren't much, but they were marketable.
 
2007-02-19 03:08:47 PM  
Mr.Churka

Well, it sounds like your stories about hippies are far more true of punks than hippies, as far as destroying property, etc. All of the hippies I've known, and I can tell you I've known a few, take this motto seriously, "Leave No Trace".

Not everyone needs to participate in the grind. Why should they feel compelled to? Simply because society craves it?

I say bring back Free Frame of Reference! I say bring back the Diggers! Feed some poor folks! Feed some not so poor folks! Do something remarkable, even if it is remarkably wierd!

Don't live in self impossed exile in your own body! Reach out, pick a brother up off the ground (you should be familiar with this from the pit at punk shows).

I think acceptance of the norm is probably the most boring thing a person can do or become. I have to say, so far the 2000's are about as boring as they could be.

I'm not sure if its cause of the gay thing or what, but it seems like everyone is afraid to act in any way socially deviant. BORING!

Homophobia and zenophobia are strangling the life outa this country. What a bland time.

And one last thing, Love never goes outa style.
 
2007-02-19 03:08:55 PM  
Well, the boomers sure saw to it that the Summer of Love would never happen again.

War on Drugs
sex (abstinence) education
ritalin
scheduling every minute of their childrens' lives
sheltering children from every disappointment
the commodification of 'rebellion'
'adult contemporary' music
the rat race

Talk about harshing your buzz.
 
2007-02-19 03:09:33 PM  
STOP THE PRESSES!!!!

El Freak says there are hyper-partisans on BOTH sides!

WHOKNEW???????????
 
2007-02-19 03:10:04 PM  
Djembe

I recall the "hippies" had a Death Of The Hippie funeral procession down the Haight. They carried a coffin, symbolizing the end of the "movement."

They're selling hippie wigs down at Woolworths. The greatest decade in the history of man is over, and as Presumin' Ed has so consistently pointed out, we've failed to make it black.
queen-of-outer-space.com
 
2007-02-19 03:10:31 PM  
Mr. Churka: "Punk got undermined by coke and booze." Punks never have had money for coke. Meth was/is the drug of choice . . .
 
2007-02-19 03:11:35 PM  
tmd0925: Statistics from Wikipedia?

It's a start. Check out the references and external links. If you have a peer-reviewed counter example, I'd like to see it... but the consensus from every source I can think of is that the kids are perfectly cool.

Why would you believe those articles over the Christian-group funded study regarding pedophiles?

You mean like the ones by Dr. Paul Cameron? The doctor who was expelled from the American Psychological Association?

Or vice-versa? I know why, because it plays into your own "superstitions."

Alternatively, it could be because one side uses rational arguments and valid data, and the other side does not.

Can't you think back to your youth when, oh I don't know, Timmy, who grew up with his two "uncles," just wasn't quite right? Or Jenny, who didn't have a dad, slept around a bit too much? Or Bobby, with a mom and three sisters, was a little too sensitive? Common sense isn't "superstition." It is a collection of judgements based on ~pragmatic reality.~

My principal in grade school was gay. Not quite openly, being the early 70's and all, but it never appeared to be an issue for anyone. He was a perfectly decent guy, who was good at his job and never hurt anyone.

So what's your point? You think that gay people ought to be judged by a different standard because they "aren't quite right?" Go die in a fire.
 
2007-02-19 03:11:38 PM  
Microbe is apparently a gay immigrant.
 
2007-02-19 03:11:42 PM  
DY High:My point is that subsequent generations allowed the extremists (Reagan+The Bushies)to get in. And the current generation does nothing but sit on their sorry a**es while these whack jobs trample our Constitution ignore our Bill of Rights, and plunder our tax coffers to redistribute our wealth to Halliburton, et al.

And your generation had absolutely nothing at all to do with that, right? Your generation are the people that are in charge. When did Bush, Cheney, and the rest of them come of age? And who is that's raised the subsequent generations? I know you'd all like to pat yourselves on the back and absolve yourselves of all blame for anything bad that's happened in the past 40 years, but it doesn't quite work like that.

Jesus man, just in those two posts you've lived up to nearly every "Baby Boomer" stereotype there is.
 
2007-02-19 03:12:22 PM  
tmd0925

I pity you.
 
2007-02-19 03:13:09 PM  
Explain to me, exactly, what your problem with "equal rights" is? I really can't wait, cause this is gonna be good.


Because attractive and successful African-Americans say it a lot.
 
2007-02-19 03:15:02 PM  
Thats "Clean" and "Articulate".
 
2007-02-19 03:15:20 PM  
tmd0925:Because attractive and successful African-Americans say it a lot.

Damn, that was TOO easy. I truly feel sorry for you, dude. Seriously.
 
2007-02-19 03:16:49 PM  
gloomduckie
I'm happy, successful, and my "hateful bigotry" keeps the slackers and sympathy-whores away. But thanks for the pity, keep up the emo WWOOOOOOHOOOOO.
 
2007-02-19 03:17:48 PM  
The foundation of the hippie movement finds historical precedent as far back as the counterculture of the Ancient Greeks, espoused by philosophers like Diogenes of Sinope and the Cynics. Hippies were also influenced by the ideas of Jesus Christ, Hillel the Elder, Buddha, St. Francis of Assisi, Krishna, Henry David Thoreau, Gandhi, and others.

In the 1890s, a European back-to-nature movement began, inspired by the works of Friedrich Nietzsche, Goethe, Hermann Hesse, and Eduard Baltzer. Thousands of young Germans dropped out of society, attempting to return to the natural, pagan, and spiritual life of their ancestors.

Over several decades, these beliefs were introduced to the United States as Germans settled around the country, some opening the first health food stores. Many moved to Southern California where they could practice an alternative lifestyle in a warm climate. In turn, young Americans adopted the beliefs and practices of the new immigrants. One group, called the "Nature Boys", took to the California desert, raised organic food, and espoused a back-to-nature lifestyle. Eden Ahbez, a member of this group, wrote a hit song called Nature Boy, which was recorded in 1947 by Nat King Cole, popularizing the homegrown back-to-nature movement to mainstream America. Eventually, a few of these Nature Boys, including the famous Gypsy Boots, made their way to Northern California in 1967, just in time for the Summer of Love in San Francisco.


There was a boy...
A very strange enchanted boy.
They say he wandered very far, very far
Over land and sea,
A little shy and sad of eye
But very wise was he.

And then one day,
One magic day, he passed my way.
And while we spoke of many things,
Fools and kings,
This he said to me,
"The greatest thing you'll ever learn
Is just to love and be loved in return."

~interlude~

"The greatest thing you'll ever learn
Is just to love and be loved in return."
 
2007-02-19 03:18:17 PM  
my "hateful bigotry" keeps the slackers and sympathy-whores away

Don't sell yourself short.

I'm sure your bigotry is repellant to a much wider range of people than just the slackers and sympathy whores.
 
2007-02-19 03:18:52 PM  
Suggested further reading: google "perrenial roots of the hippie subculture".

It will fill in your information banks on some missing details---and it may open your eyes.

So far I would have to say even the well-informed people on this thread don't know what they are talking about.

Rather hard to tell someone something if you don't know it yourself.
 
2007-02-19 03:19:13 PM  
El Freak:
Damn, that was TOO easy. I truly feel sorry for you, dude. Seriously.

...? Don't you understand the infered cynicism there? I knew what the fark filter spits out, it's a compliment to the argument.

How come rich black dudes need more "equal rights?" To make more rich black dudes? Shucks, they really can't make in America, poor guys.
 
2007-02-19 03:21:37 PM  
I'm sure your bigotry is repellant to a much wider range of people than just the slackers and sympathy whores.


Translation: J00 HAVE NO FRIENDZ!!!!!!

Kids used to say that when my team won in dodgeball. The drugs have even impeded the progress of your insults. Hippie.
 
2007-02-19 03:22:04 PM  
Godhood is the goal of all governments.
 
2007-02-19 03:23:28 PM  
danlpoon: Next Installment: The Neo-Hippie as Momma's Boy (a.k.a. How the Neo pays for his iPod)


I have to say, I lol'ed at that. I really don't think there have ever been many "intellectual" hippies. The Beats had the intellectual thing down, the hippies were more touchy feely, not necessarily well educated (with a few notable exceptions).

I've always thought of the hippie movement as a group of people who said, "the people running the show are idiots, lets challenge thier worldview and have some fun doing it!" It was, "I heard what you told me, and I thought it was bullshiat." Then they proceeded to experiment with all the ideas previously considered "truth" and all the accepted social norms.

Still sounds about accurate today. "I heard what you told me and I thought it was bullshiat". The people who are running the show are a bunch of dipshiats but this time around folks are too embittered and self conscious to do anything about it. I don't think there is enough creativity in this generation for anything nearly as exciting as that time period.

oh & Mr.Churka I am very familiar with Daniel Quinn's Ishmael, its a great book.
 
2007-02-19 03:24:45 PM  
vonster: Microbe is apparently a gay immigrant.

FEAR ME!
 
2007-02-19 03:25:17 PM  
tmd0925:Don't you understand the infered cynicism there? I knew what the fark filter spits out, it's a compliment to the argument.

How come rich black dudes need more "equal rights?" To make more rich black dudes? Shucks, they really can't make in America, poor guys.


You don't even understand what cynicism even means, do you? I think you're just using random "fancy words" to make yourself appear as a thoughtful individual, rather than a repellent jackass. Its kinda like putting lipstick on a hog.
 
2007-02-19 03:25:32 PM  
I'm sure TMD0925 meant to say "repellent to tardbats".
 
2007-02-19 03:25:45 PM  
Kids used to say that when my team won in dodgeball.

the scars of gradeschool are still fresh? very telling as to your age and maturity level.


The drugs have even impeded the progress of your insults. Hippie.

Own my own house and business and make much more money than you do != hippie. Sorry. Try again.

I wasn't kidding, however. I'm sure you think it's just stanky hippies who find you repellant. I'm no stanky hippie and I find the smug self-satisfied bigotry in your postings to be slightly less worthwhile than a pile of shiat that I would scrape off my shoe if I stepped in it.
 
2007-02-19 03:27:24 PM  
Bill's trying tardbat psychology again.....
 
2007-02-19 03:27:59 PM  
Microbe

Mr.Churka

Well, it sounds like your stories about hippies are far more true of punks than hippies, as far as destroying property, etc. All of the hippies I've known, and I can tell you I've known a few, take this motto seriously, "Leave No Trace".

I agree, punks would have smashed things. Hippies just left the place smelling like patchouli, burned holes in my wood table, ate all of my food, left empty bottles and trash all over the place. Punks probably would have broken furniture, but there was still a total lack of regard for things not theirs.

Not everyone needs to participate in the grind. Why should they feel compelled to? Simply because society craves it?

I say bring back Free Frame of Reference! I say bring back the Diggers! Feed some poor folks! Feed some not so poor folks! Do something remarkable, even if it is remarkably wierd!


Everyone who eats needs to do something to contribute to the food store. I don't freeload and I don't tolerate anyone who freeloads without my permission.

Don't live in self impossed exile in your own body! Reach out, pick a brother up off the ground (you should be familiar with this from the pit at punk shows).


I don't have an issue with the ideals behind hippies. That doesn't mean punching buttons in an office or working on a GM line. It means doing something to make keep food growing and to meet the needs of the people around you. I have an issue with their utter lack of drive to do anything productive or to advance those ideals. Hippies are great at sitting around bullshiatting about the world's problems. I worked with Food Not Bombs in St. Louis for five years. We got a shiatload of punks helping us collect food. I knew two hippies the whole of my time there.


I think acceptance of the norm is probably the most boring thing a person can do or become. I have to say, so far the 2000's are about as boring as they could be.

So get the fark up and do something. This is the quintessence of my point. It's time for something new.

I'm not sure if its cause of the gay thing or what, but it seems like everyone is afraid to act in any way socially deviant. BORING!

Homophobia and zenophobia are strangling the life outa this country. What a bland time.

And one last thing, Love never goes outa style.


Talk about bland. Love never goes out of style? How cliche can you get before you actually burst into flames? I'm down with the concept of that which groks is god and god is the love all living things should hold for each other, but you really need to work on communicating your cultural paradigm. I've got nothing against you as a human being, but hippies don't do anything to precipitate change. That's why the 2000's have been so "boring." Get up, get out, and build something in your neighborhood. Stop sitting around smoking pot and do something.
 
2007-02-19 03:29:18 PM  
tmd0925

emo?! You claim to be all big and bad what with your fancy published fiction and engineering degrees and then the best insult you can come up with is calling me "EMO"?

You really are one sad little man. Let me know if you can get beyond lame-ass name calling and come up with a real zinger, mmkay?
 
2007-02-19 03:30:12 PM  
Time to re-tar the lungs. I can almost feel air on them. Smoke break back in 5.
 
2007-02-19 03:30:20 PM  
I'm sure TMD0925 meant to say "repellent to tardbats".


It seems to have the opposite effect on fark, it gives them something all-new and fun to degrade and destroy, besides private business and the values of the majority. All behind their keyboards with no practical action or risk being taken.

In real life, the hippies submit like limp puppies and just mutter things to themselves. Then they go home and listen to music and get doped to try and overcome their anger towards me.
 
2007-02-19 03:31:42 PM  
gloomduckie
STFU emo!!!!!!
 
2007-02-19 03:34:21 PM  
Mr.Churka is awesome.
 
2007-02-19 03:34:40 PM  
www.treemo.com

Born of my brainpan when I got tired of working for Deadheads. Whenever I wanted a day off it was always, "Yay! My bosses are hippies!" and whenever I needed them to do something responsible like, say - PAY ME it was always, "F*CK! MY BOSSES ARE HIPPIES!!!"
 
2007-02-19 03:35:28 PM  
I just came here to tell Bad_Seed that I got his insanely obscure reference.
 
2007-02-19 03:36:55 PM  
priestrape

I never regarded Withnail & I as obscure. It's a cult classic.
 
2007-02-19 03:37:05 PM  
www.treemo.com
 
2007-02-19 03:38:18 PM  
If I am not mistaken, the Gap on the corner of haight & ashbury is the first one, or one of the first....

/born on 8th & judah in 1967, 3rd generation sf native, yo.
//still hates the gap.
 
2007-02-19 03:40:55 PM  
big government hippies are no good
some of em were anti-authoritarian, and thats good.
 
2007-02-19 03:41:11 PM  
tmd0925

Thanks, that was the best laugh I've had all day.
 
2007-02-19 03:44:43 PM  
Microbe

I'm not trying to flame or bash you, but hippies have lost there way. We can cling to the movement that got corrupted or make something new that actually leaves this place better. That's the whole of my point. Statements like "Love each other," have been lost. Bear in mind that I'm an unrepentant agnostic and check this one out.

"For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another."

~1 John 3:11~

How long has that been neatly tucked away in a book that's become renown for perpetuating violence? The reason? The message was lost along the way and people can't be bothered to read the stuff they preach. Start something new and you can build the paradigm. Take control.
 
2007-02-19 03:45:20 PM  
If you're conservative under 25 you don't have a heart.

If you're a liberal past age 30 then you don't have a brain.
 
2007-02-19 03:46:45 PM  
FuzzplugJones: (Not that anyone cares, but "Neoconservative" was coined in Reagan's time to mean a conservative who, unlike the GOP of old, put a lot of money and resources toward social programs like your average Democrat. In recent years people who don't know the etymology of the word seem to use it, and I have a feeling it's because it kinda sounds like "Neo-Nazi." But no one here probably cares that "Neo-Con" is actually a way of saying "centrist conservative.")

Oh, wow! How amazing! I've never seen a paragraph that long before that was that wrong in absolutely every single respect! Let's break it down, shall we?

"(Not that anyone cares,"

Well, okay, not every respect. I'll give you that one.

"but "Neoconservative" was coined in Reagan's time"

No, it predates Reagan considerably. The movement started in the 1960s, and the name dates back to the 1970s.

"to mean a conservative"

No, to mean a liberal acting under the conservative banner. In particular, it refers to the followers of Leo Strauss. Before Reagan came along, the main Neo-Conservative politician was Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson, Democrat.

Irving Kristol, a man who referred to himself as a Neo-Conservative, defined it as a "liberal mugged by reality," one who became more conservative after seeing the results of liberal policies.

"who, unlike the GOP of old, put a lot of money and resources toward social programs like your average Democrat."

Actually, the GOP of old is embodied by people such as Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt who were quite into social programs, and spent considerably for them relative to the times. Teddy pretty much invented conservationism (which shares the same root word as "conservative") and environmentallism in this nation.

"In recent years people who don't know the etymology of the word seem to use it,"

If we take that to mean "people like you," then that's another one I'll give you. So, there were two correct aspects. My bad.

"and I have a feeling it's because it kinda sounds like "Neo-Nazi." But no one here probably cares that "Neo-Con" is actually a way of saying "centrist conservative.")"

Not even close. First off, they call themselves "neo-conservatives!" They invented the term! It's the actual name of the movement, not an insult nor slur.

Secondly, "centrist conservative" is about as far away from what a Neo-Conservative is as one can possibly get and still be even remotely under even the outer fringes of the conservative umbrella.
 
2007-02-19 03:47:01 PM  
Farkers, let us boil it doen to a few specifics:

There is liberty--and there is tyranny. There is no middle ground.

Right now there is a crisis in our land, between people like Bush, Cheney, et al., who want to use strong authority to make America safe for Halliburton; they want me to work 60 hours a week for $5 an hour, pay 65% of my salary in taxes to support an arrogant elite ruling class---we all know the details.

On the other side of that coin, we have another ruling elite, led by Al Gore, Hillary Clitless and many others, who want to see me work 60 hours a week, and pay 65% of my taxes so we can save the world from the global warming boogieman, give special favors to a wide assortment of minority groups, and support an arrogant elite ruling class---just not the same people.

Farkers, if you see ANY difference between these two groups at all, I feel sorry for you. You are beyond help. If you actually think the left boot will feel any better on the back of yur neck than the right boot does now, or that it will hurt any less when it kicks your teeth in, you have a rude awakening waiting for you.

But as I said before, no one can lead you anywhere you don't want to go. If you refuse to march along in the lockstep, there is nothing much they can do to you.

Stupid people march in protests and sing songs; feels good and accomplishes nothing, sort of the slaves singing derogatory songs, and having a cakewalk every Sunday afternoon to make fun of their massas.

Stupider people get their heads bashed in by the police, or they commit crimes for political reasons. The punks just love this, it gives them just the excuse they need to crack down harder, and it also scares the hell out of the sheep, who bleat more loudly for more protection from the punks.

Intelligent people don't play that game. They learn to fly low, avoid the radar, and how to move in and out of the loopholes of the system.

If one person does that, there is nothing they can do. But if a million do it, or ten million---it starts to show up on someone's computer: "Hey, the sheep aren't marching to the slaughterhouse any more! WHAT THE FREAK IS WRONG HERE???"

What's wrong here is real simple: Freedom is not free, and requires sacrifice, but for those of us who like to stand up and walk on our back feet it is worth it.

The fact is, no man can make a slave out of you if you do not want to be one, not out of any decency---but because he does not see a profit in it, and on a practical basis you are not worth persecuting for political reasons.

Hope that doesn't hurt your feelings if you think you're so important.

There is no reason to blame the hippies for racisim and sexism, five generations of minorities on Welfare, the crack epidemic, high rates of illegitimate birth, widespread STDs, panhandling, homelessness, or anything else. Those things happen because people can do it; people tolerate them, and for no other reason.

In free society you would still have the liberty to be a drunken bum, but nobody would give you a nickel. You would have the freedom to destroy your life, which is your own property, but no one would help you do so.
 
2007-02-19 03:47:22 PM  
Don't you understand the infered cynicism there?

You mean "implied".

If I make an implication then you draw the inference.

Perhaps you should have focused less on dodgeball and more on learning how to speak properly?

(YOU are a published writer? In ENGLISH!?)
 
2007-02-19 03:47:41 PM  
Thward

Mr. Churka: "Punk got undermined by coke and booze." Punks never have had money for coke. Meth was/is the drug of choice.


Sid Vicious would disagree. I've also know a number of cokehead punks. Mostly red laces, but I won't hold that against the SHARPs.
 
2007-02-19 03:47:45 PM  
Mr.Churka: Love never goes out of style? How cliche can you get before you actually burst into flames?

Hah! you got me on that one, no doubt. I have to say, it was really an afterthought and sounded good at the time. But, you are so right, if I get any more trite I'm going to have to start centering all of my posts like hallmark cards.

Look I am not a champion of hippies here (not intentionally). But I do like em most of the time and support what they are about. I think they are intrigueing, as intrigueing as any white collar schlubs of the world (for the most part).

Too me, hippies don't have a central theme to rally behind these days. Hippies are just granolas, recycling, hiking, playing drums, backpacking across the states, eating organic, trying to be ecologically conscious. They are laying low cause their time has come and gone. As far as I can tell, they are just a benign group who choose to live outside of societal norms and conventions.

tmd0925: In real life, the hippies submit like limp puppies and just mutter things to themselves. Then they go home and listen to music and get doped to try and overcome their anger towards me

Are you a cop? Must be. Unless you are a cop, I doubt any hippies really care much at all about you, unless you've got some good herb or something, maybe some hash oil. Other than that you are just another nameless faceless automatron with a self destructive power trip and an anger complex. Nothing much to be concerned with, and certainly a reminder of why hippies choose to be the way they are.
 
2007-02-19 03:47:49 PM  


ZOMBIE CHURCHILL ANGRY!!!

ZOMBIE CHURCHILL DEMANDS PROPER CITATION OF HIS REMARKS!!!

 
2007-02-19 03:48:32 PM  
Wow - criticism of the 60's by people who either weren't there, or weren't THERE.

The Baby Boomers were the greatest generation ever, for about 3 years (66-69) - then it all slowly went to crap. If you hate hippies, I feel sorry for you. To hate a group of people whose overall guiding principles were peace, love and sharing is beyond pathetic. Sure there were some bad eggs, but humanity will be another 1000 years catching up to the good ones...

/peace
//love
///dope
 
2007-02-19 03:57:49 PM  
There is no reason to blame the hippies for racisim and sexism, five generations of minorities on Welfare, the crack epidemic, high rates of illegitimate birth, widespread STDs, panhandling, homelessness, or anything else. Those things happen because people can do it; people tolerate them, and for no other reason.

In free society you would still have the liberty to be a drunken bum, but nobody would give you a nickel. You would have the freedom to destroy your life, which is your own property, but no one would help you do so.


Nicely said.
 
2007-02-19 04:02:19 PM  
This whole thread has been very entertaining. Particularly the people who seem to think real punks exist, when they're more extinct than real hippies. Living in the past sucks though, so let's just keep the good ideals.
 
2007-02-19 04:04:59 PM  
clifton

Nicely said.

Nicely said!
 
2007-02-19 04:05:03 PM  
www.studentsforademocraticsociety.org (pops) Accepting new members.

It wasn't all about the hippies.
 
2007-02-19 04:09:27 PM  
olddinosaur
You need to fire your propaganda screener.



There is liberty--and there is tyranny. There is no middle ground.

You can't really be that cracked. There is no tyranny. Utah Phillips said it best. Freedom is you're born with, like your eyes or your ears. Nobody can give it to you and nobody can take it away. Freedom is something you assume, then you ait for someone to try to take it away. The degree to which you resist is the degree to which you are free.


Right now there is a crisis in our land, between people like Bush, Cheney, et al., who want to use strong authority to make America safe for Halliburton; they want me to work 60 hours a week for $5 an hour, pay 65% of my salary in taxes to support an arrogant elite ruling class---we all know the details.

On the other side of that coin, we have another ruling elite, led by Al Gore, Hillary Clitless and many others, who want to see me work 60 hours a week, and pay 65% of my taxes so we can save the world from the global warming boogieman, give special favors to a wide assortment of minority groups, and support an arrogant elite ruling class---just not the same people.


There are a huge number of arguments entailed in these paragraphs. Global warming is a fact mate. Remember the crack down on CFC's? We didn't think it was theory in the eighties, why now? Children of slaves had no education. It was illegal for a black man to be educated at the beginning of last century. That paradigm has carried itself out to today when there are black men alive who remember when a little boy was hung because he might have used a drinking fountain labeled "Whites." The cultural mentality of an ethnicity doesn't change over night because some laws finally changed. You don't think some kind of educational dispensation might be in order there?


Farkers, if you see ANY difference between these two groups at all, I feel sorry for you. You are beyond help. If you actually think the left boot will feel any better on the back of yur neck than the right boot does now, or that it will hurt any less when it kicks your teeth in, you have a rude awakening waiting for you.

But as I said before, no one can lead you anywhere you don't want to go. If you refuse to march along in the lockstep, there is nothing much they can do to you.

Stupid people march in protests and sing songs; feels good and accomplishes nothing, sort of the slaves singing derogatory songs, and having a cakewalk every Sunday afternoon to make fun of their massas.

Stupider people get their heads bashed in by the police, or they commit crimes for political reasons. The punks just love this, it gives them just the excuse they need to crack down harder, and it also scares the hell out of the sheep, who bleat more loudly for more protection from the punks.

Intelligent people don't play that game. They learn to fly low, avoid the radar, and how to move in and out of the loopholes of the system.


That is the biggest crock of cowardly shiat I've ever heard. You don't think you have a responsibility to yourself, your children and the people around you to make a change? Then you've outlived your usefulness old man and it's time to find the happy hunting ground.

Some of that is spot on in my humble opinion. Some of it is regurgitated propaganda and meaningless. Freedom isn't free? Bullshiat. All it can cost you is something you don't have without it. If you think flying below the radar is an option, there are some survivalists on the pine ridge reservation who would like a word with you.
 
2007-02-19 04:09:51 PM  
To hate a group of people whose overall guiding principles were peace, love and sharing is beyond pathetic.

naw, its pretty much because they're just a complete drain on society, completely unproductive and useless.

/and annoying
//not unlike todays 'ravers'
 
2007-02-19 04:14:25 PM  
Mr.Churka The hippies I know have mostly given up trying to change the world. They are all concentrating on how to better themselves and lessen the impact we are having on the planet. They are going to yoga, making their houses "green", riding their bikes to work, attending anti-war demonstrations (but not getting arrested), meditating, and basically practicing Ghandi's principles of non-violence and leadership by example.

Sure, there is a contingency of young kids who are attracted to the hippy lifestyle because of drugs and sex. They almost all end up growing out of it. In the meantime, they hang around the corners and draw the ire of the squares and uptight sociopaths like tmd0925. But, ultimately they do no harm.

Then there is a group who have convictions about life. They stick with them for the rest of their lives. They vote. They participate in local elections. They keep in touch with their "family".

But a lot of the ones who were initially drawn by the drugs and sex, that's all they see, that's all they know. As they get older, they actually turn on the "hippy" ideals. They think of "peace and love" as worn out cliches from their childhood . Ideas that only a child could take seriously.

They cannot see beyond that aspect, don't understand that there is something much more going on. That "peace and love" are only the foundation, the most basic concept. Thus, many ex-hippies dismiss it all summarily as fanciful rubbish from childhood.

Many "lifers" seem understand that and shrug their shoulders. I don't really know what to say more, they just seem to have retreated to their lives and their pursuit of something greater in private.

Maybe they just realized that the marching and sign holding didn't really accomplish much and are trying a different angle. Personally, I think it is working far better.
 
2007-02-19 04:17:08 PM  
Mr. Churka
Freedom is you're born with, like your eyes or your ears. Nobody can give it to you and nobody can take it away..

uh, people can take away your eyes and ears. used to happen all the time in the medieval era. still happens in many not-so-nice countries.
 
2007-02-19 04:20:31 PM  
Sir Charles

Mr. Churka
Freedom is you're born with, like your eyes or your ears. Nobody can give it to you and nobody can take it away..

uh, people can take away your eyes and ears. used to happen all the time in the medieval era. still happens in many not-so-nice countries.


Indeed. The degree to which you resist is the degree to which you have eyes and ears. In all seriousness though, Utah Phillips said it, not me. I think it was meant to demonstrate the inherent nature of personal freedom without regard to your birth place.
 
2007-02-19 04:21:45 PM  
Ok, I'm stumped. I'm just not getting what freaks out conservatives about "hippies". The hippies *were* (note the tense there - they vanished from the scene 40 years ago!) a bunch of idealistic young college students who saw lots of hypocrisy in their society, and wanted to make a better world. There are worse things to want.


Maybe they were naive, maybe they went too far sometimes with drugs and the rest, but at this point they are practically a subject for archeologists, or at least historians.

As I said upthread, the people who were real, actual hippies are nearing retirement age. They can't hurt you any more. I mean, get all upset about them if you want...but it is sort of like if the hippies (all those ages and ages ago) had been protesting against President Coolidge's policies.
 
2007-02-19 04:22:34 PM  
If it's any consolation, someone had smashed open the plate-glass door of the Gap on Haight when I last visited.
 
2007-02-19 04:22:36 PM  
Microbe,

^^^^very well put. It's an attitude, not a style. It's an atititude that has been around for untold thousands of years.

Of course there are douchbag trendies, there are in everything and always will be.

Olddinosaur

You're right, the left boot to the teeth sucks as much as the right one.
 
2007-02-19 04:22:42 PM  
There's no such thing as a hippy. Just a word the man invented to keep us down.
 
2007-02-19 04:23:02 PM  
Rest in Peace Jerry.
 
2007-02-19 04:24:19 PM  
Mr. Churka is basically restating the bill of rights through the words of Mr. Phillips.

The bill of rights does not grant us liberties, LIFE grants us liberties and freedom. The bill of rights merely acts to protect those liberties from the tyranny of those who would remove them.
 
2007-02-19 04:26:07 PM  
olddinosaur

Your post of 2007-02-19 03:47:01 PM totally made my day. Absolutely beautiful.

Watching "right wingers" argue with "left wingers" - or "Republicans" with "Democrats" - amuses the holy shiat out of me. They're all authoritarians to the core, and they have worked together over the years to turn this country into a mockery of what it was intended to be. It's worked so well that they now have most Americans convinced the only question they're allowed to ask is which side will get to continue the process.

On topic: hippies certainly were (are) irritating, but the dirtiest, smelliest, gayest, most strung-out hippy in history is infinitely better than any slavering "Amerka, luv it er leev it!" fascist sheep.
 
2007-02-19 04:29:05 PM  
ThisOneBelongsToTheReds: Watching "right wingers" argue with "left wingers" - or "Republicans" with "Democrats" - amuses the holy shiat out of me. They're all authoritarians to the core, and they have worked together over the years to turn this country into a mockery of what it was intended to be. It's worked so well that they now have most Americans convinced the only question they're allowed to ask is which side will get to continue the process.

American Democracy... it's like a dictatorship with one extra choice!

Did you vote for Uday or Qusay?
 
2007-02-19 04:29:55 PM  
Microbe
...They are going to yoga, making their houses "green", riding their bikes to work, attending anti-war demonstrations (but not getting arrested), meditating, and basically practicing Ghandi's principles of non-violence and leadership by example.

Maybe. It seems to me that the present world requires more active participation in government than self focus. I've never met a hippie who actively worked to change their environment. Maybe it's enough to live the best life you can and hope that others see the error in what they're doing. Personally, I think a more forceful hand is in order.

I completely understand the tendency to focus on the wrong aspects of a culture and by extension screw the teachings up. It seems to me that it's time for a new group focused on active improvement and generosity. I would start a new culture myself, but unfortunately I don't have the variety of personality that inspires devotion and the only instrument I play is trumpet.
 
2007-02-19 04:32:28 PM  
Microbe: Many "lifers" seem understand that and shrug their shoulders. I don't really know what to say more, they just seem to have retreated to their lives and their pursuit of something greater in private.

Yeah, but ahat about all the smug?

www.southparkstudios.com

THAAAAAAAAANNNNNNKSSSSS!
 
2007-02-19 04:33:10 PM  
feepness

Did you vote for Uday or Qusay?

Come on. Only an idiot would vote for Qusay.
 
2007-02-19 04:36:03 PM  
ThisOneBelongsToTheReds

I may have created "Hateful Ed" in a moment of desperate frustration, but I couldn't agree more. Mostly because they're easier to subdue and subjugate. All the mediocretin normworm oxywasters in suits require de-programming before they can be re-indoctrinated. The strung-out hippies are all set to have their remaining grey-matter scooped out and a new world view cemented into place!
 
2007-02-19 04:42:32 PM  
If anything, we failed LSD, LSD did not fail us.
 
2007-02-19 04:55:44 PM  
tmd0925: As an outside observer, "hippies" and their supposed "culture" and "revolution" can be summed up in one word: interesting. The same as a car accident or your dog trying to chase its tail.

None of the aforementioned were: effectual, worthwhile, healthy, or liberating.

I would agree with: destructive, degrading, boring, pointless, self-obsessed, wreckless, and evil.

Thanks, you're the reason more and more kids have sex before age 14. Why nobody thinks "marriage" is a worthwhile enterprise. Why me, and far too many other kids, grow up in single parent homes. Why our society is so sick it is considering matching the union of two people of the same sex equally, in spiritual, legal, and child-bearing terms, as true marriage.

Thanks, assholes.


The art of trolling is in the subtlety. You still have much to work on.
 
2007-02-19 05:19:51 PM  
tmd0925

The idea that gay marriage is some sort of civil rights movement is another convoluted, idealist way to always assault the "problem" of moral structure.

Whose morals? Yours? And why do you choose to impose your moral structure on society? I don't try to impose my beliefs on others, and I try to make sure what I do with or to other people hurts no one mentally, physically or spiritually. Can you say the same?

The color of a person's skin is not, in and of itself, a detriment to the structure of society

Take it from someone who is old enough to remember... if it wasn't believed to be 'detrimental' to the structure of society, then what were miscegination laws for?

...while gay marriage truly is, no matter how sympathy-whorish they try to make their argument.

How? If gay people are allowed to get married tomorrow, are you going to wake up the next morning with a taste for cock? How are two lesbians and their ceremony going to damage straight people? All of a sudden everybody is going to catch 'teh ghey'?

A child raised by two people of the same sex will not be psychologically sound.

Got news for you Dr. Spock... most presently psychologically unstable people in this world were raised by straight parents...

I don't listen to alternative viewpoints,

THERE'S YER FRAKKIN' PROBLEM RIGHT THERE.

the ideal parent relationship is a man and the woman, any incentive to do otherwise is an irresponsible abatement against the development of children.

The IDEAL arrangement is two loving parents who give a rat's rolling ass about their kid. Period. Gay or straight. But the world is not an ideal world... hence we have asswipes like you.
 
2007-02-19 05:25:11 PM  
Fill16

If anything, we failed LSD, LSD did not fail us.

That was the fatal flaw in Tin Leary's trip. He crashed around America selling consciousness expansion without giving a thought to the grim, meat-hook realities that were lying in wait for all those people who took him seriously. All those pathetically eager acid freaks who thought they could buy peace and understanding for three bucks a hit, but their loss and failure is ours too. What Leary took down with him was the central illusion of the whole lifestyle that he helped create, a generation of permanent cripples, of failed seekers who never understood the essential old mystic fallacy of the acid culture; the desperate assumption that somebody, or at least some force is tending the light at the end of the tunnel.

www.mostlyposters.com
 
2007-02-19 05:25:45 PM  
Mr.Churka: and the only instrument I play is trumpet

files.calabashmusic.com

Ok, so he played more than trumpet, but that's where he started.

It seems to me that it's time for a new group focused on active improvement and generosity.

Sounds like you were born about 40 years too late. Although I would like to see that happen, we are here to see the results of the last time it did. The movement petered out, the punks reacted against that failure in the 70's, the 80's turned the world towards blatant consumerism of youth culture, the 90's could of happened except for all the left over self loathing of punk hamstrung it, and the 00's are paralyzed with fear, people are desperate for normalcy.

I hate to say it, but I think the 80's ruined any chance of a big youth movement again. Its tough to get excited about anything iconographic enough to lead a movement when two weeks later you see it used to sell Pepsi or Coka Cola. There is BIG MONEY in the youth market, as soon as anything starts to get attention, it'll be on a billboard or commercial within a month.
 
2007-02-19 05:42:14 PM  
Got news for you Dr. Spock... most presently psychologically unstable people in this world were raised by straight parents...

I don't listen to alternative viewpoints,

THERE'S YER FRAKKIN' PROBLEM RIGHT THERE.


Just another sociopathic lib-tard-bat who can't accept 2 + 2 = 4. Lotsa straw mans, lots of criticisms with no solution, lots of baseless anger. There are inherent differences amongst people in society which can be conversley beneficial and disadvntageous in different situations and when viewed by different cultures. The sky is blue on a sunny day. People die, bad things happen, life isn't always fun and games. Oh, and gay people aren't supposed to raise children, ok? That view doesn't make me evil, your misdirected hatred needs to stop, have a cookie, take a deep breath. It's a fact of life. Gay people aren't supposed to raise children. Nothing you say or do will ever make that the natural, equal equivalent to straight parents raising children.

If you dislike pollution because it does unnatrual harm against the earth...where's the compassion for gay adoption come from? "Unnatural" is unnatural. Picking and choosing to get more attention and sympathy-whoring only feeds your vanity.

Id, Ego, Superego...nnnnot gonna be healthy with two women and two men, nope, uh uh. It's not rocket science.
 
2007-02-19 05:43:55 PM  
Reap what you sow.

i51.photobucket.com
 
2007-02-19 05:47:06 PM  
tmd0925

You have no data to back up your assertion that gay parents raising a child harms that child emotionally and/or psychologically. You only have your "feeling" that it is "unnatural" therefore wrong. This makes you remarkably similar to the "lib-tard-bats" you're railing against, who also base many of their opinions on feelings instead of verifiable, empirical facts/data.

You are a close-minded bigot. No hate there, just simple observation of fact.
 
2007-02-19 05:50:25 PM  
tmd0925
A child raised by two people of the same sex will not be psychologically sound. I don't listen to alternative viewpoints, the ideal parent relationship is a man and the woman, any incentive to do otherwise is an irresponsible abatement against the development of children.

AMERICAN PSYCHOLOGICAL ASSOCIATION
http://www.apa.org/psyclaw/delongbrief.html
"CHILDREN RAISED BY LESBIAN OR GAY PARENTS ARE AS HEALTHY PSYCHOLOGICALLY AND SOCIALLY AS CHILDREN RAISED BY HETEROSEXUAL PARENTS"

There are many more, but I have the feeling that the one above will go unread. If you are interested, there are more available easily through google. There are no credible studies that have been done that show that children are harmed by parenting from gay parents.

Why our society is so sick it is considering matching the union of two people of the same sex equally, in spiritual, legal, and child-bearing terms, as true marriage.
Many, if not most, supporters of gay marriage do not care about how persons consider the 'spiritual' status of gay marriage. Churches are free to determine the status of gay persons as they choose.

No one considers a gay marriage to be equal 'in child bearing terms' to a heterosexual marriage. That's a ludicrous claim.

The law and the governmental involvement is really only concerned with the legal aspect of marriage. Despite what other aspects of marriage you might consider integral, under the law marriage is essentially nothing but a contract. A highly deferred to contract status between individuals, to be sure, but that is the base.
In fact, basically all aspects of legal marriage can be nullified or changed contractually. Prenups, wills, tax filing as individuals, separation and individual structuring of assets, etc, can all overcome the presumptions that the 'contract' of marriage creates.

The legal aspect of marriage is the only portion that government should touch. As such, there is not a strong argument against extending these contractual provisions and rights to homosexuals.
 
2007-02-19 05:58:29 PM  
COMALite J: Oh, wow! How amazing! I've never seen a paragraph that long before that was that wrong in absolutely every single respect! Let's break it down, shall we?

I'm glad you did that. Now I don't have to.
 
2007-02-19 06:00:34 PM  
tmd0925, you do realize that your constant accusations of hatred and anger are reflected on no comments in this thread other that your own, right? Look around...you're the only one. And as far as your views on gay marriage go, you couldn't be more wrong (not that you care). I have numerous gay friends, several of which have children and all of which plan to. They are all excellent mothers and fathers who have raised strong, open-minded, and loving kids. This is obviously something that your parents failed to accomplish. Your views on society seemed to be based on little more than biggotry. If you took your head out of your ass every once in a while, you might realize that the world is actually quite a beautiful place. Not everyone is out to get you.
 
2007-02-19 06:00:45 PM  
Roll over rover

/ and let hippie poop take over.

mypetjawa.mu.nu
 
2007-02-19 06:03:50 PM  
I'm sitting in a coffee shop on Haight St right now, about a block away from Ashbury (so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...). For the record, Haight St. runs uphill for about a mile and a half, all the way up from Market St. The area we're talking about is the very top-of-the-hill, western-most part, known in SF as "Upper Haight" or "Haight Ashbury."

Yeah, this area is cheeseball now. The "thrift" stores charge about triple of what a real thrift store should (I saw a faded, few-years-old Quicksilver short sleeve shirt for $20, as an example, you can get them new still for about $30), most of the "hip" stores are trendy and expensive boutiques, and there are more tourists on the streets than residents. And there really are a bunch of teenage runaways singing Alanis Morrisette songs. Badly.

Yeah, there's a Gap on the corner, but to be fair, nobody wants it there - they didn't have to be invited to sign a lease, you know. They get vandalized pretty regularly, lots of graffiti sprayed on their big glass windows, and about two weeks ago the whole store was closed for the day after someone did something pretty serious (couldn't tell what, exactly). How's that for hippie resistance - violence and property destrcution?

You can still get drugs easier than you can buy cigarettes here, especially at teh very top of the hill between Amoeba Records and that pizza joint. But it's stank weed usually.

If you think you see a hippie here, you're either looking at a) a homeless dude, b) a 20-year-old living off daddy's money before daddy makes him go to business school, or c) a senior citizen that did one too many drops and doesn't know he's not in fashion anymore. All of these people will bum smokes from you if you let them.

All in all, the area has little real charm left, as near as a I can tell - even though I'm a relatively recent transplant, I can tell the area has changed, especially in the laments of true locals. So why am I here? Because I dig this coffee shop (free wireless in SF is no joke, despite the city's big plans) and I need to go to Amoeba, the best record store in the world. If it weren't for these two places - and the Toronado, which pours more beers than any other bar in SF - I'd never come up here, and neither would any other SF resident. Just tourists and lazy trust-fund faux-hippies.
 
2007-02-19 06:05:00 PM  
tmd0925
Just another sociopathic lib-tard-bat who can't accept 2 + 2 = 4.

I got yer 'lib-tard' RIGHT HERE, you homophobic ass.
As fatassbastard said, you have NO data, NO studies, and NO common sense... all you seem to have is a big mouth and a misplaced belief in a 2000-plus year old book of stories and fairytales.

Tell you what... if two gay people getting married makes me or any other straight person I know catch teh ghey I'll let you know personally. Might even invite you out for a date, because you'll obviously be gay too, right?

Seems that those who rail against gays the most frequently have some gay issues themselves...

And who says gay people aren't supposed to raise children? A child raised by two loving gay parents will be far better off than any child raised by the likes of you. One of you on this planet is more than enough, thank you.

I dont know you, so I cant hate you. Just what you seem to believe in. Which is sad.
 
2007-02-19 06:10:33 PM  
tmd0925: where's the compassion for gay adoption come from? "Unnatural" is unnatural.

I just can't help but laugh knowing that your frantic attempts at social engineering will come to naught. You might want to look into some kind of therapy when you see all those children being raised by homosexuals. Just a tip.

Oh and LSD will come back with a vengeance in 50 years. The problem the first time? People regarded it as "recreational."
 
2007-02-19 06:12:08 PM  
img407.imageshack.us

Yes, I'm talking about tmd0925. Seriously... anybody as ignorant as he's trying to make himself appear would have trouble forming a sentence. It's obvious from some of the random words he throws around that he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he can't possibly be THAT dumb.
 
2007-02-19 06:21:15 PM  
emjaymj

Yes, I'm talking about tmd0925. Seriously... anybody as ignorant as he's trying to make himself appear would have trouble forming a sentence. It's obvious from some of the random words he throws around that he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he can't possibly be THAT dumb.

You could be right that tmd is simply a Troll and doesn't actualy believe the tripe that (s)he is spewing. There are, however, many people who DO believe this exact tripe. I've met some in person, and had debates with them.

Those of us who respond want to make sure a more reasoned, well-supported viewpoint is available to read for those who might lean towards such tripely thinking. (Like it? I just thought it up. :) )

Plus, it's fun!
 
2007-02-19 06:24:44 PM  
I hate everything. Is that cool enough for everybody?
 
2007-02-19 06:25:53 PM  
Scrotastic Method: If it weren't for these two places - and the Toronado, which pours more beers than any other bar in SF -

Woah there, partner... As a Lower Haight resident, I have to point out that we, and our noble Toronado, are in an entirely different neighborhood than that boutique strip mall up the hill. Our restaurants and cafes are also amongst the city's finest.

But yeah, the Upper Haight does have Amoeba, and The Red Vic movie house, which counts for a lot... Otherwise, I got no use for it.

/Thinking about an impromptu Fark Party at Rosamund and Toronado tonight...
 
2007-02-19 06:33:30 PM  
NineInchNader: If you were alive and sentient through the Summer of Love, you either weren't there or you were a narc.

Or just a bit too young to be drugged out yet.

13 at the time.
 
2007-02-19 06:55:14 PM  
all throughout the Summer of Love I pooped in my diapers.


a lot.
 
2007-02-19 06:57:26 PM  
Frisco is where its at - clean, nice people, low crime, good herb. Definitely better than those red-state hellholes.
 
2007-02-19 07:10:56 PM  
It is fun to poke the trolls... just too bad there are plenty out there who are true believers... poor sots...

fatassbastard
"TRIPELY"... I like it!
*filing away*
 
2007-02-19 07:15:14 PM  
LSD revolution failed miserably, leading to the rise of the neocon

www.djbc.net
 
2007-02-19 07:24:16 PM  
Terryg999: LahDeeFreakingDah - You don't have a farking clue as to what you are thalking about do you? I regret even taking the time.... you can't even put two and two together.

/Jeeeez! What a loser!


Wow, with such well-reasoned, well thought out arguments as yours, I see I was incorrect (and didn't know what I was thalking about, obviously), and thereby change my opinion.

Congratulations, you win the intarwebz!!!!!

/ farktard
 
2007-02-19 07:32:29 PM  
I can't stand Haight Street. Every time I whipped out my camera to take a picture of something, one or two people were begging for money from me. I was yelled at by some drugged out biatch because I wouldn't give her two dollars. But on the other hand Ameba records kicks ass.
 
2007-02-19 07:36:14 PM  
That reminds me I bought some LSD the other day and it didn't work at all. What kinda world is this where I can't even buy actually LSD from a dealer without getting burned? Meanwhile in the 60's they were passing it out for free. I hate this generation.
 
2007-02-19 07:36:55 PM  
The hippies were keeping the black man down?

wow...just....wow
 
2007-02-19 07:37:25 PM  
What's there to live for? Who needs the peace corp? I think I'll just drop out. I'll move to frisco buy a wig and sleep on Owsley's floor...

Why is it that almost every post I make on this site has something to do with Zappa's words?

'Hippies' have a lot of the right ideals (well, real hippies) but I do wonder how majority would survive if there wasn't a 9-5 working society to help support them. Which would lead to self sufficiency in the woods, but hell, even Thoreau only stayed at Walden Pond for a bit under 2 years (if I remember correctly) and that was on land owned by a friend of his. I've given a lot of thought to the whole 'dropping out of the system' thing and being self sufficient, and the ultimate stranglehold that the 'system' has on self sufficiency is the matter of land ownership and taxation. Even if you can manage to buy the land to grow your food on, you still have to pay taxes and thus, still need to play some role in the economy game.

There are a lot of kids calling themselves hippies just so they have an excuse to do drugs and slack, which really ruins it for anyone who is really a seeker of truth and love and all that other good stuff the world seems to be lacking nowadays. But really, all the burn outs can have the 'hippie' title, anyone that really matters should know that names and titles dont.

I guess my ultimate hope is that the buddhists and hindus (?) have it right in that eventualy its possible to find enlightenment and escape this sad game of samsara that everyone seems to be stuck in. Then the government, the wars, the taxes, none of it will matter. I say we start a revolution based on inward revolution. To hell with the system and everyone playing its game. Rather figure it all out for yourself and find a personal escape, and anyone else interested is welcome to join. No marches, no riots, and nothing marketable. Just a quiet realization that exists under the radar of society.

/least thats the best I can come up with
 
2007-02-19 07:38:11 PM  
God, I love this thread. It's a perfect reminder of how so many on the right and the left completely suck.
 
2007-02-19 07:44:06 PM  
Q: What's red and orange and looks good on a Hippie? A: Fire

Q: How do you stop a Hippie activist? A: Hide her daddy's credit card under the soap.

Q: How many Hippies does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: None, Hippies screw in filthy sleeping bags.

Q: How do you impregnate a Hippie chick without getting crabs? A: Cum in her Birkenstocks and let the flies do the rest.

/I'll be here all night; try the veal.
 
2007-02-19 07:45:11 PM  
As I recall, a lot of "hippies" were nothing but poseurs...pretty much like today.
 
2007-02-19 07:59:37 PM  
ugh, where are the pictures of hippie women? That's what matters here.
 
2007-02-19 08:07:06 PM  
FuzzplugJones: In recent years people who don't know the etymology of the word seem to use it, and I have a feeling it's because it kinda sounds like "Neo-Nazi." But no one here probably cares that "Neo-Con" is actually a way of saying "centrist conservative.")

/no, I don't know why I bother either.


This bugs me too. I see many people (particularly on Fark) use the word "Neo-Con" as an epithet against those who they see as extra-religious and/or super-conservative. They refer to Bush as a Neo-Con not because he has Liberal tendencies, but because he talks about God. I wish people would read a farking book and get this shiat straight.
If you people want to rage against those evil conservatives, at least get your nomenclature right.
Granted different people are going to have slightly different definitions, but you can at least try to get in the ballpark. Religious Right does not = "Neocon".
Another way I've heard it described, Neo-cons are "Post-9/11 Liberals" (hawkish foreign policy but more libertarian social views than classic conservatives). In any case, it's become sort of a meaningless label at this point since many left-of-center Farkers simply apply it to whatever they don't like...
 
2007-02-19 08:14:25 PM  
COMALite J

I was waiting for someone to comment on that mess. I just figured everyone winced and moved on.
 
2007-02-19 08:18:59 PM  
FarkingUpTheWrongTree

Not libertarian at all. See COMALite J's post for a reasonable description.
 
2007-02-19 08:24:05 PM  
Don't know if anyone's mentioned it yet, but, hello The Pork Store!

/that is all
 
2007-02-19 08:24:30 PM  
I believe everything I say and I'm educated, successful, AND a taxpayer.

People like me are in your backyard, your schools, your churches, and we're all a lot happier and healthier than any of this spiteful, degenerate liberal tripe spewed forth thanks to years of hippie activism and ignorant, convoluted self-hatred.

Vote Republican, save the country.
 
2007-02-19 08:26:29 PM  
plytheman;

Why is it that almost every post I make on this site has something to do with Zappa's words?


"The year: 1967; drug crazed youth discover vagrancy as a way of life."
 
2007-02-19 08:29:48 PM  
A toast to my WSU comrade.. RIP brotha!
 
2007-02-19 08:29:56 PM  
As a non-fundie classic conservative with a libertarian leaning, I just want to say: Screw both hippies and neo-cons.
The power struggle between these two groups is killing our country.

My philosophy is stay off my lawn and I'll stay off yours.
 
2007-02-19 08:32:11 PM  
I was conceived during the Summer of Love so I'm really getting a kick out of most of these replys...

/really was
//bring back Dippy the Hippy on Conan O'Brien
///Guy could make a bong out of any 3 random objects
 
2007-02-19 08:32:38 PM  
tmd0925

Vote Republican, save the country.


So you prefer the spiteful, degenerate conservative tripe?
 
2007-02-19 08:40:45 PM  
Hippie Chicks?

GIGGITY!!!!!one!1
 
2007-02-19 08:54:36 PM  
I don't mind hippies as long as they don't shun everybody who doesn't act, dress, and smell like they do.
 
2007-02-19 08:55:56 PM  
tmd0925: I believe everything I say and I'm educated, successful, AND a taxpayer.

People like me are in your backyard, your schools, your churches, and we're all a lot happier and healthier than any of this spiteful, degenerate liberal tripe spewed forth thanks to years of hippie activism and ignorant, convoluted self-hatred.

Vote Republican, save the country.


A healthy mind neither constantly searches for self-validation nor thinks in terms of us vs. them while completely rejecting any notion of compromise.

And before you get off on a "you can't handle other viewpoints" kick, it's not different views, it's when they're spat out in a cloud of vitriol and malice instead of rational discourse that people tend to think of you as a silly nutcase rather than someone whose thoughts are worth the slightest consideration.

The good news is that you have a very vivid imagination according to your posts, so your "published works" are probably interesting, at least.
 
2007-02-19 09:28:45 PM  
El Freak: Uh, no, actually we had very little to do with the Bushies. You sheeple who have decided not to go through the effort of thinking elected and re-elected those fascists."You get what you sow". Guess what, it is time for "you all" to enjoy the fruits of your ignorance.
 
2007-02-19 09:30:36 PM  
well if you think about it the hippie lifestyle has become just that: a lifestyle... i mean, what does it really mean to be a hippie anymore? i think most people view themselves as outsiders, but only a few really want to buck the system... they're the ones that make society ebb and flow the way it should be, while the rest buy into every lifestyle out there because they're just trying to survive this wicked life...

maybe we should all try to buck the system in our own way? maybe we should all realize we're outsiders, then maybe we'd learn WHY we have communities, and why all this clap-trap semantics about how you live your life is pointless!

i mean, we can't escape this life, at least, we could with the gun, but what then? so yeah, we all have to survive like the animals do, but realize then that after surviving, what you do is up to you, i mean we're all born with brains, we can handle ourselves, though we might need a little help, we don't need a rigid system

i mean, it's like society has become a big mommy, telling you to dress this way, act that way, talk about this, or want to do that... and my reaction to that is: i'm out of here!
 
2007-02-19 09:31:06 PM  
No Jim: It will never end.
 
2007-02-19 09:48:02 PM  
Update:

Walked past the Haight-Ashbury Gap location today, and the windows were papered up and the logo was off the front of the building. Have they closed up shop there, or are they just remodeling? The location still comes up on their store locater...
 
2007-02-19 09:55:40 PM  
beyondinfinite: That reminds me I bought some LSD the other day and it didn't work at all. What kinda world is this where I can't even buy actually LSD from a dealer without getting burned? Meanwhile in the 60's they were passing it out for free. I hate this generation.

That probably just means your dealer sucks. :)
 
2007-02-19 10:51:52 PM  
With regard to LSD, there are three kinds of people:

1. Those who have never taken it, most of whom are afraid of it, or harbor popular misconceptions about it
2. Those who had a bad trip
3. Those who get it.

I don't expect to see any intelligent discussion of LSD in such a mixed crowd. One of the things that pisses me off the most about the rest of you assholes, is that you can have a thing as powerful and wonderful as LSD handed to you - this awesome, fearsome tool - and all you can think to do with it is ban it? So many of you are such cowards.
 
2007-02-19 10:53:02 PM  
DY High

Your generation had very little to do with Reagan and Bush. Other than voting for them. Let me repeat this one more time so that you might get it: BUSH IS OF YOUR GENERATION. YOUR GENERATION RUNS THINGS NOW.SOME OF YOU PEOPLE FARKED UP REALLY BAD. Get it?? But you can keep listening to Jefferson Airplane and pretending you're still "sticking it to the man" if you want. You people who're stuck in the 60s constantly talk about shiat you did 40 years ago, while hoping you don't called on the fact that most of you sat on your ever-widening asses and didn't do shiat to help anybody but yourselves since then. But just go ahead and blame it all on the "fascists" who "weren't THERE, maaann!!"

Christ dude, like I said, you seem to be hell-bent on confirming every baby-boomer stereotype that there is.
 
2007-02-19 10:56:36 PM  
tmd0925:People like me are in your backyard, your schools, your churches, and we're all a lot happier and healthier than any of this spiteful, degenerate liberal tripe spewed forth thanks to years of hippie activism and ignorant, convoluted self-hatred.

Yeah, you sound real happy and well-adjusted.
 
2007-02-19 11:14:30 PM  
Wow, I bet some of you people write a lot of wikipedia articles.

First of all, Timothy Leary was not really that involved with the hippie movement. He gets way too much credit for this. He spent much of the 60's on his estate in New York, where his followers were more into the psychological effects of LSD, as opposed to just having fun. Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters are generally credited with "getting the movement started". The Pranksters considered Leary's followers way too serious to do anything fun. Owsley Stanley, who I've heard is still alive and living in Australia, really deserves the credit. He was the first person to mass distribute LSD. He used his profits to fund the band that would become The Grateful Dead.

Kent State was hardly about hippies. It happened in 1972, and the victims were not stoners trying to stick daisies in gun barrels. The inspiration for the band DEVO, which is short for De-evolution, comes from this incident. That's not relevant, just interesting.

LBJ was haunted by mental illness throughout his presidency, which included periods of irrational paranoia regarding the spread of Communism. Heaping blame on him for social problems in modern times is easy because it's often justified. He's right up there with Nixon and GW on my list of terrible presidents.

/doesn't like the smell of hippies
//thinks they are too socially irrelevant to deserve blame or credit for social changes
 
2007-02-19 11:19:19 PM  
lest we forget that timothy leary was a sellout pied piper of the dirties.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/leary/leary.html
 
2007-02-20 12:14:20 AM  
I'm still a deadhead.
 
2007-02-20 01:02:36 AM  
Wow...some of you are woefully misinformed or just plain ignorant and some of you I would be very pleased to call brothers and sisters...the world is not perfect.

HATE is NOT a good value to possess... even Jesus knew that (I am not a jesus freak...not that there is anything wrong with that)...

Lighten up peeps...or should I say "Enlighten UP"

Though I shower daily and work a somewhat "normal" job, raised two GREAT kids, i AM a hippie...and a hippie who would a thousand times over rather hug you or shake your hand than harm you or any other on our small planet.

peace my friends, may the four winds blow you safely home,

daniel
 
2007-02-20 03:28:35 AM  
I doubt anyone's still hanging out here, but I'd like to add my two cents and pose a question to all you old timers so busy looking into the past...

As an 18 year old who is preparing to graduate high school amongst a generation of idiots, I just want to tell all of you how good you have it. As youths, you had something to look forward to, a bright and interesting vision of the world. I grow so sick of my peers with their uninteresting noise they call music, with their little fashion based cliques that have little or no bearing on the world at large, and especially with their duplicity. Every person my age is either so stupid the contents of their heads could be used to pressurize cans of compressed air, or they are so involved with their own depth that they refuse to acknowlege the people around them with other views, regardless of age.

I am growing up in the midwest, and I cannot find a peer of mine that isn't a neocon, or hyperliberal, who actually cares about anything. My peers think that their clothes are what defines who they are. They think that whatever drivel they listen to somehow makes them into some huge world-changing group. In short, I just want to tell all of you old timers fighting amongst yourselves how well you have it. You had something real, with people who gave a shiat. Now the children you have raised have seen what you did, and are trying to duplicate it without the why. And, to top it off, they are failing miserably at being "punk," "goth," "ghetto," "preppy," or whatever else they want to call it.

Now, before you all run me off with a collective GET OFF MY LAWN!, I wish to pose a question to everyone. Where is my generation's great movement? Where are our social movers and shakers? Or are the youth of today too partisan or stupid to actually want to change the world?

/thanks for your time
//yes, I'm getting off your lawn now....
 
2007-02-20 04:00:22 AM  
You said it, heads. Nobody farks with the Jerry.
 
2007-02-20 06:39:41 AM  
One thing I will say about the Upper Haight, having lived on the corner of Page/Cole for years: lots of dog poop and chicken bones. The anarchist safety-pin punks really make it much worse than it should be. Heroin addicts and not much more. But hey, they're faaamily.

Good things about the Haight: Pork Store, Amoeba, Golden Cane, Murio's, Escape from NY, Magnolia, Red Vic, Traxx (still open?), Citrus Club, GOLDEN GATE PARK (hello!) *AND* the surrounding neighborhoods (9th and Irving, Lower Haight, Castro, Upper Cole). They're all connected, man. Better boutiques and a bit of livelihood than skid row.

As for tourists? Bah. Try downtown Sausalito in the summer.
 
2007-02-20 12:33:14 PM  
There is a road, no simple highway, between the dawn and the dark of night, and if you go, no one may follow, that path is for your steps alone.

 
2007-02-20 01:32:49 PM  
tmd0925: People like me are in your backyard

I actually wouldn't doubt that. I've wondered why my grass is so green back there. I'll keep that in mind if I install a sprinkler system.

Hopefully it won't be much longer before all the people like you are in my backyard, or someone's backyard, feeding the worms.

In the meantime let me remind you, "be kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another." - Ephesians 4:32

"God is not the author of confusion, but of peace." - I Corinthians 14:33

"Freely you have received, freely give." - Matthew 10:8

It isn't the hippies that need the saviour of Christ's Love my friend, it is you. Let us pray you find it. You need to take some time out and do some thinking.

"Come unto me, ye who are weary and overburdened, and I
will give you rest." - Matthew 11:28
 
2007-02-20 02:26:05 PM  
david11982

Hate to be a stickler, but Kent State happened in 1970, not '72. You're right about it not being about hippies though.

/spent my first 26 years in Kent
 
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