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(Contra Costa Times)   Fortieth anniversary of the Summer of Love approaching and look how wonderful everything is now. Just kidding, Haight Street is a hippie theme park and the LSD revolution failed miserably, leading to the rise of the neocon. Thanks, Jerry   (contracostatimes.com) divider line 302
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2007-02-19 06:03:50 PM
I'm sitting in a coffee shop on Haight St right now, about a block away from Ashbury (so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...). For the record, Haight St. runs uphill for about a mile and a half, all the way up from Market St. The area we're talking about is the very top-of-the-hill, western-most part, known in SF as "Upper Haight" or "Haight Ashbury."

Yeah, this area is cheeseball now. The "thrift" stores charge about triple of what a real thrift store should (I saw a faded, few-years-old Quicksilver short sleeve shirt for $20, as an example, you can get them new still for about $30), most of the "hip" stores are trendy and expensive boutiques, and there are more tourists on the streets than residents. And there really are a bunch of teenage runaways singing Alanis Morrisette songs. Badly.

Yeah, there's a Gap on the corner, but to be fair, nobody wants it there - they didn't have to be invited to sign a lease, you know. They get vandalized pretty regularly, lots of graffiti sprayed on their big glass windows, and about two weeks ago the whole store was closed for the day after someone did something pretty serious (couldn't tell what, exactly). How's that for hippie resistance - violence and property destrcution?

You can still get drugs easier than you can buy cigarettes here, especially at teh very top of the hill between Amoeba Records and that pizza joint. But it's stank weed usually.

If you think you see a hippie here, you're either looking at a) a homeless dude, b) a 20-year-old living off daddy's money before daddy makes him go to business school, or c) a senior citizen that did one too many drops and doesn't know he's not in fashion anymore. All of these people will bum smokes from you if you let them.

All in all, the area has little real charm left, as near as a I can tell - even though I'm a relatively recent transplant, I can tell the area has changed, especially in the laments of true locals. So why am I here? Because I dig this coffee shop (free wireless in SF is no joke, despite the city's big plans) and I need to go to Amoeba, the best record store in the world. If it weren't for these two places - and the Toronado, which pours more beers than any other bar in SF - I'd never come up here, and neither would any other SF resident. Just tourists and lazy trust-fund faux-hippies.
 
2007-02-19 06:05:00 PM
tmd0925
Just another sociopathic lib-tard-bat who can't accept 2 + 2 = 4.

I got yer 'lib-tard' RIGHT HERE, you homophobic ass.
As fatassbastard said, you have NO data, NO studies, and NO common sense... all you seem to have is a big mouth and a misplaced belief in a 2000-plus year old book of stories and fairytales.

Tell you what... if two gay people getting married makes me or any other straight person I know catch teh ghey I'll let you know personally. Might even invite you out for a date, because you'll obviously be gay too, right?

Seems that those who rail against gays the most frequently have some gay issues themselves...

And who says gay people aren't supposed to raise children? A child raised by two loving gay parents will be far better off than any child raised by the likes of you. One of you on this planet is more than enough, thank you.

I dont know you, so I cant hate you. Just what you seem to believe in. Which is sad.
 
2007-02-19 06:10:33 PM
tmd0925: where's the compassion for gay adoption come from? "Unnatural" is unnatural.

I just can't help but laugh knowing that your frantic attempts at social engineering will come to naught. You might want to look into some kind of therapy when you see all those children being raised by homosexuals. Just a tip.

Oh and LSD will come back with a vengeance in 50 years. The problem the first time? People regarded it as "recreational."
 
2007-02-19 06:12:08 PM
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Yes, I'm talking about tmd0925. Seriously... anybody as ignorant as he's trying to make himself appear would have trouble forming a sentence. It's obvious from some of the random words he throws around that he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he can't possibly be THAT dumb.
 
2007-02-19 06:21:15 PM
emjaymj

Yes, I'm talking about tmd0925. Seriously... anybody as ignorant as he's trying to make himself appear would have trouble forming a sentence. It's obvious from some of the random words he throws around that he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he can't possibly be THAT dumb.

You could be right that tmd is simply a Troll and doesn't actualy believe the tripe that (s)he is spewing. There are, however, many people who DO believe this exact tripe. I've met some in person, and had debates with them.

Those of us who respond want to make sure a more reasoned, well-supported viewpoint is available to read for those who might lean towards such tripely thinking. (Like it? I just thought it up. :) )

Plus, it's fun!
 
2007-02-19 06:24:44 PM
I hate everything. Is that cool enough for everybody?
 
2007-02-19 06:25:53 PM
Scrotastic Method: If it weren't for these two places - and the Toronado, which pours more beers than any other bar in SF -

Woah there, partner... As a Lower Haight resident, I have to point out that we, and our noble Toronado, are in an entirely different neighborhood than that boutique strip mall up the hill. Our restaurants and cafes are also amongst the city's finest.

But yeah, the Upper Haight does have Amoeba, and The Red Vic movie house, which counts for a lot... Otherwise, I got no use for it.

/Thinking about an impromptu Fark Party at Rosamund and Toronado tonight...
 
2007-02-19 06:33:30 PM
NineInchNader: If you were alive and sentient through the Summer of Love, you either weren't there or you were a narc.

Or just a bit too young to be drugged out yet.

13 at the time.
 
2007-02-19 06:55:14 PM
all throughout the Summer of Love I pooped in my diapers.


a lot.
 
2007-02-19 06:57:26 PM
Frisco is where its at - clean, nice people, low crime, good herb. Definitely better than those red-state hellholes.
 
2007-02-19 07:10:56 PM
It is fun to poke the trolls... just too bad there are plenty out there who are true believers... poor sots...

fatassbastard
"TRIPELY"... I like it!
*filing away*
 
2007-02-19 07:15:14 PM
LSD revolution failed miserably, leading to the rise of the neocon

www.djbc.net
 
2007-02-19 07:24:16 PM
Terryg999: LahDeeFreakingDah - You don't have a farking clue as to what you are thalking about do you? I regret even taking the time.... you can't even put two and two together.

/Jeeeez! What a loser!


Wow, with such well-reasoned, well thought out arguments as yours, I see I was incorrect (and didn't know what I was thalking about, obviously), and thereby change my opinion.

Congratulations, you win the intarwebz!!!!!

/ farktard
 
2007-02-19 07:32:29 PM
I can't stand Haight Street. Every time I whipped out my camera to take a picture of something, one or two people were begging for money from me. I was yelled at by some drugged out biatch because I wouldn't give her two dollars. But on the other hand Ameba records kicks ass.
 
2007-02-19 07:36:14 PM
That reminds me I bought some LSD the other day and it didn't work at all. What kinda world is this where I can't even buy actually LSD from a dealer without getting burned? Meanwhile in the 60's they were passing it out for free. I hate this generation.
 
2007-02-19 07:36:55 PM
The hippies were keeping the black man down?

wow...just....wow
 
2007-02-19 07:37:25 PM
What's there to live for? Who needs the peace corp? I think I'll just drop out. I'll move to frisco buy a wig and sleep on Owsley's floor...

Why is it that almost every post I make on this site has something to do with Zappa's words?

'Hippies' have a lot of the right ideals (well, real hippies) but I do wonder how majority would survive if there wasn't a 9-5 working society to help support them. Which would lead to self sufficiency in the woods, but hell, even Thoreau only stayed at Walden Pond for a bit under 2 years (if I remember correctly) and that was on land owned by a friend of his. I've given a lot of thought to the whole 'dropping out of the system' thing and being self sufficient, and the ultimate stranglehold that the 'system' has on self sufficiency is the matter of land ownership and taxation. Even if you can manage to buy the land to grow your food on, you still have to pay taxes and thus, still need to play some role in the economy game.

There are a lot of kids calling themselves hippies just so they have an excuse to do drugs and slack, which really ruins it for anyone who is really a seeker of truth and love and all that other good stuff the world seems to be lacking nowadays. But really, all the burn outs can have the 'hippie' title, anyone that really matters should know that names and titles dont.

I guess my ultimate hope is that the buddhists and hindus (?) have it right in that eventualy its possible to find enlightenment and escape this sad game of samsara that everyone seems to be stuck in. Then the government, the wars, the taxes, none of it will matter. I say we start a revolution based on inward revolution. To hell with the system and everyone playing its game. Rather figure it all out for yourself and find a personal escape, and anyone else interested is welcome to join. No marches, no riots, and nothing marketable. Just a quiet realization that exists under the radar of society.

/least thats the best I can come up with
 
2007-02-19 07:38:11 PM
God, I love this thread. It's a perfect reminder of how so many on the right and the left completely suck.
 
2007-02-19 07:44:06 PM
Q: What's red and orange and looks good on a Hippie? A: Fire

Q: How do you stop a Hippie activist? A: Hide her daddy's credit card under the soap.

Q: How many Hippies does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: None, Hippies screw in filthy sleeping bags.

Q: How do you impregnate a Hippie chick without getting crabs? A: Cum in her Birkenstocks and let the flies do the rest.

/I'll be here all night; try the veal.
 
2007-02-19 07:45:11 PM
As I recall, a lot of "hippies" were nothing but poseurs...pretty much like today.
 
2007-02-19 07:59:37 PM
ugh, where are the pictures of hippie women? That's what matters here.
 
2007-02-19 08:07:06 PM
FuzzplugJones: In recent years people who don't know the etymology of the word seem to use it, and I have a feeling it's because it kinda sounds like "Neo-Nazi." But no one here probably cares that "Neo-Con" is actually a way of saying "centrist conservative.")

/no, I don't know why I bother either.


This bugs me too. I see many people (particularly on Fark) use the word "Neo-Con" as an epithet against those who they see as extra-religious and/or super-conservative. They refer to Bush as a Neo-Con not because he has Liberal tendencies, but because he talks about God. I wish people would read a farking book and get this shiat straight.
If you people want to rage against those evil conservatives, at least get your nomenclature right.
Granted different people are going to have slightly different definitions, but you can at least try to get in the ballpark. Religious Right does not = "Neocon".
Another way I've heard it described, Neo-cons are "Post-9/11 Liberals" (hawkish foreign policy but more libertarian social views than classic conservatives). In any case, it's become sort of a meaningless label at this point since many left-of-center Farkers simply apply it to whatever they don't like...
 
2007-02-19 08:14:25 PM
COMALite J

I was waiting for someone to comment on that mess. I just figured everyone winced and moved on.
 
2007-02-19 08:18:59 PM
FarkingUpTheWrongTree

Not libertarian at all. See COMALite J's post for a reasonable description.
 
2007-02-19 08:24:05 PM
Don't know if anyone's mentioned it yet, but, hello The Pork Store!

/that is all
 
2007-02-19 08:24:30 PM
I believe everything I say and I'm educated, successful, AND a taxpayer.

People like me are in your backyard, your schools, your churches, and we're all a lot happier and healthier than any of this spiteful, degenerate liberal tripe spewed forth thanks to years of hippie activism and ignorant, convoluted self-hatred.

Vote Republican, save the country.
 
2007-02-19 08:26:29 PM
plytheman;

Why is it that almost every post I make on this site has something to do with Zappa's words?


"The year: 1967; drug crazed youth discover vagrancy as a way of life."
 
2007-02-19 08:29:48 PM
A toast to my WSU comrade.. RIP brotha!
 
2007-02-19 08:29:56 PM
As a non-fundie classic conservative with a libertarian leaning, I just want to say: Screw both hippies and neo-cons.
The power struggle between these two groups is killing our country.

My philosophy is stay off my lawn and I'll stay off yours.
 
2007-02-19 08:32:11 PM
I was conceived during the Summer of Love so I'm really getting a kick out of most of these replys...

/really was
//bring back Dippy the Hippy on Conan O'Brien
///Guy could make a bong out of any 3 random objects
 
2007-02-19 08:32:38 PM
tmd0925

Vote Republican, save the country.


So you prefer the spiteful, degenerate conservative tripe?
 
2007-02-19 08:40:45 PM
Hippie Chicks?

GIGGITY!!!!!one!1
 
2007-02-19 08:54:36 PM
I don't mind hippies as long as they don't shun everybody who doesn't act, dress, and smell like they do.
 
2007-02-19 08:55:56 PM
tmd0925: I believe everything I say and I'm educated, successful, AND a taxpayer.

People like me are in your backyard, your schools, your churches, and we're all a lot happier and healthier than any of this spiteful, degenerate liberal tripe spewed forth thanks to years of hippie activism and ignorant, convoluted self-hatred.

Vote Republican, save the country.


A healthy mind neither constantly searches for self-validation nor thinks in terms of us vs. them while completely rejecting any notion of compromise.

And before you get off on a "you can't handle other viewpoints" kick, it's not different views, it's when they're spat out in a cloud of vitriol and malice instead of rational discourse that people tend to think of you as a silly nutcase rather than someone whose thoughts are worth the slightest consideration.

The good news is that you have a very vivid imagination according to your posts, so your "published works" are probably interesting, at least.
 
2007-02-19 09:28:45 PM
El Freak: Uh, no, actually we had very little to do with the Bushies. You sheeple who have decided not to go through the effort of thinking elected and re-elected those fascists."You get what you sow". Guess what, it is time for "you all" to enjoy the fruits of your ignorance.
 
2007-02-19 09:30:36 PM
well if you think about it the hippie lifestyle has become just that: a lifestyle... i mean, what does it really mean to be a hippie anymore? i think most people view themselves as outsiders, but only a few really want to buck the system... they're the ones that make society ebb and flow the way it should be, while the rest buy into every lifestyle out there because they're just trying to survive this wicked life...

maybe we should all try to buck the system in our own way? maybe we should all realize we're outsiders, then maybe we'd learn WHY we have communities, and why all this clap-trap semantics about how you live your life is pointless!

i mean, we can't escape this life, at least, we could with the gun, but what then? so yeah, we all have to survive like the animals do, but realize then that after surviving, what you do is up to you, i mean we're all born with brains, we can handle ourselves, though we might need a little help, we don't need a rigid system

i mean, it's like society has become a big mommy, telling you to dress this way, act that way, talk about this, or want to do that... and my reaction to that is: i'm out of here!
 
2007-02-19 09:31:06 PM
No Jim: It will never end.
 
2007-02-19 09:48:02 PM
Update:

Walked past the Haight-Ashbury Gap location today, and the windows were papered up and the logo was off the front of the building. Have they closed up shop there, or are they just remodeling? The location still comes up on their store locater...
 
2007-02-19 09:55:40 PM
beyondinfinite: That reminds me I bought some LSD the other day and it didn't work at all. What kinda world is this where I can't even buy actually LSD from a dealer without getting burned? Meanwhile in the 60's they were passing it out for free. I hate this generation.

That probably just means your dealer sucks. :)
 
2007-02-19 10:51:52 PM
With regard to LSD, there are three kinds of people:

1. Those who have never taken it, most of whom are afraid of it, or harbor popular misconceptions about it
2. Those who had a bad trip
3. Those who get it.

I don't expect to see any intelligent discussion of LSD in such a mixed crowd. One of the things that pisses me off the most about the rest of you assholes, is that you can have a thing as powerful and wonderful as LSD handed to you - this awesome, fearsome tool - and all you can think to do with it is ban it? So many of you are such cowards.
 
2007-02-19 10:53:02 PM
DY High

Your generation had very little to do with Reagan and Bush. Other than voting for them. Let me repeat this one more time so that you might get it: BUSH IS OF YOUR GENERATION. YOUR GENERATION RUNS THINGS NOW.SOME OF YOU PEOPLE FARKED UP REALLY BAD. Get it?? But you can keep listening to Jefferson Airplane and pretending you're still "sticking it to the man" if you want. You people who're stuck in the 60s constantly talk about shiat you did 40 years ago, while hoping you don't called on the fact that most of you sat on your ever-widening asses and didn't do shiat to help anybody but yourselves since then. But just go ahead and blame it all on the "fascists" who "weren't THERE, maaann!!"

Christ dude, like I said, you seem to be hell-bent on confirming every baby-boomer stereotype that there is.
 
2007-02-19 10:56:36 PM
tmd0925:People like me are in your backyard, your schools, your churches, and we're all a lot happier and healthier than any of this spiteful, degenerate liberal tripe spewed forth thanks to years of hippie activism and ignorant, convoluted self-hatred.

Yeah, you sound real happy and well-adjusted.
 
2007-02-19 11:14:30 PM
Wow, I bet some of you people write a lot of wikipedia articles.

First of all, Timothy Leary was not really that involved with the hippie movement. He gets way too much credit for this. He spent much of the 60's on his estate in New York, where his followers were more into the psychological effects of LSD, as opposed to just having fun. Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters are generally credited with "getting the movement started". The Pranksters considered Leary's followers way too serious to do anything fun. Owsley Stanley, who I've heard is still alive and living in Australia, really deserves the credit. He was the first person to mass distribute LSD. He used his profits to fund the band that would become The Grateful Dead.

Kent State was hardly about hippies. It happened in 1972, and the victims were not stoners trying to stick daisies in gun barrels. The inspiration for the band DEVO, which is short for De-evolution, comes from this incident. That's not relevant, just interesting.

LBJ was haunted by mental illness throughout his presidency, which included periods of irrational paranoia regarding the spread of Communism. Heaping blame on him for social problems in modern times is easy because it's often justified. He's right up there with Nixon and GW on my list of terrible presidents.

/doesn't like the smell of hippies
//thinks they are too socially irrelevant to deserve blame or credit for social changes
 
2007-02-19 11:19:19 PM
lest we forget that timothy leary was a sellout pied piper of the dirties.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/leary/leary.html
 
2007-02-20 12:14:20 AM
I'm still a deadhead.
 
2007-02-20 01:02:36 AM
Wow...some of you are woefully misinformed or just plain ignorant and some of you I would be very pleased to call brothers and sisters...the world is not perfect.

HATE is NOT a good value to possess... even Jesus knew that (I am not a jesus freak...not that there is anything wrong with that)...

Lighten up peeps...or should I say "Enlighten UP"

Though I shower daily and work a somewhat "normal" job, raised two GREAT kids, i AM a hippie...and a hippie who would a thousand times over rather hug you or shake your hand than harm you or any other on our small planet.

peace my friends, may the four winds blow you safely home,

daniel
 
2007-02-20 03:28:35 AM
I doubt anyone's still hanging out here, but I'd like to add my two cents and pose a question to all you old timers so busy looking into the past...

As an 18 year old who is preparing to graduate high school amongst a generation of idiots, I just want to tell all of you how good you have it. As youths, you had something to look forward to, a bright and interesting vision of the world. I grow so sick of my peers with their uninteresting noise they call music, with their little fashion based cliques that have little or no bearing on the world at large, and especially with their duplicity. Every person my age is either so stupid the contents of their heads could be used to pressurize cans of compressed air, or they are so involved with their own depth that they refuse to acknowlege the people around them with other views, regardless of age.

I am growing up in the midwest, and I cannot find a peer of mine that isn't a neocon, or hyperliberal, who actually cares about anything. My peers think that their clothes are what defines who they are. They think that whatever drivel they listen to somehow makes them into some huge world-changing group. In short, I just want to tell all of you old timers fighting amongst yourselves how well you have it. You had something real, with people who gave a shiat. Now the children you have raised have seen what you did, and are trying to duplicate it without the why. And, to top it off, they are failing miserably at being "punk," "goth," "ghetto," "preppy," or whatever else they want to call it.

Now, before you all run me off with a collective GET OFF MY LAWN!, I wish to pose a question to everyone. Where is my generation's great movement? Where are our social movers and shakers? Or are the youth of today too partisan or stupid to actually want to change the world?

/thanks for your time
//yes, I'm getting off your lawn now....
 
2007-02-20 04:00:22 AM
You said it, heads. Nobody farks with the Jerry.
 
2007-02-20 06:39:41 AM
One thing I will say about the Upper Haight, having lived on the corner of Page/Cole for years: lots of dog poop and chicken bones. The anarchist safety-pin punks really make it much worse than it should be. Heroin addicts and not much more. But hey, they're faaamily.

Good things about the Haight: Pork Store, Amoeba, Golden Cane, Murio's, Escape from NY, Magnolia, Red Vic, Traxx (still open?), Citrus Club, GOLDEN GATE PARK (hello!) *AND* the surrounding neighborhoods (9th and Irving, Lower Haight, Castro, Upper Cole). They're all connected, man. Better boutiques and a bit of livelihood than skid row.

As for tourists? Bah. Try downtown Sausalito in the summer.
 
2007-02-20 12:33:14 PM
There is a road, no simple highway, between the dawn and the dark of night, and if you go, no one may follow, that path is for your steps alone.

 
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