Oh, BTW is was governor Ronald Regan who first made LSD illegal......

The world pre 1970 or so was a dirty horrible place.

The development of deoderants helped.

/should be the law!

If hippies failed, what, exactly was the "hippie agenda"?

Communism, with more drugs and subversive forms of rape.

Maybe spice it up with environmentalism, nuclear arms hatred, blah blah blah, whatever the "issue" of the week may be. What I mentioned is what seems to "stick" since hippies, like everybody, are just self-interested. They have a sloppy way of going about it.

I highly recommend the chapter 'The Age of Charlie Blossom' from Studs Terkel's book/collection of interviews 'Working'.

In it, the eponymous hippie pretty much sums up the whole farking thing in his own words to the generally very sympathetic to left wing causes Terkel...

'So man, I was like, work is for squares so I just took my shirt off and started meditating on the floor all day, and encouraging those around me to do the same. And then, this square boss man tried to ask me to please stop doing that, and to please get back to work, and tells me I can still meditate, but please also try to work. Man those farking establishment guys make me so mad, they don't understand anything about the peace and love movement man. So then I'm handing out organic raisins to my coworkers, and I'm like totally high on LSD man, and I've stopped bathing. I'm talking about the love movement man, and then the farking boss asks me again to please put my shirt on and go back to work, and it makes me dream about firebombing those farking squares man, I wish I could get a 357 and shoot him in the head and everyone like him and paint his brains all over the floor man!'

(pretty close paraphrase)

Actually, very, very few of us of that era were "hippies". However many of us were of an "activist" generation that questioned authority, something that most of today's generation seems to shun. It is unfortunate because what is labeled the "hippie generation" was able to help stop an impending police state under the Nixon administration. Those of you sheeple who don't bother to think for yourselves, blindly believe the Bush administration jingoism, and don't demand your Constitutional Rights will likely get what you have earned: A Police State. Enjoy!

2007-02-19 02:01:27 PM Luminance_Value


Dear subby,

Sorry buddy, but you're out of line here. I'll leave the rest of the neo-con stuff to everybody else. I'm taking you on re: Haight St.

Haight St. is crowded and touristy, yes, but it's no hippie theme park. The Haight-Ashbury drag is pretty much San Francisco's answer to the Williamsburg, Brooklyn shopping district. There are 3 or 4 pretty decent thrift stores, and surprisingly a lot of really great places to eat. Blue Front cafe has this rocking falafel burrito wrap that puts most of NYC's falafels to shame. There's also Amoeba records, which lives up to all the hype, and some other clothing stores and coffee shops that ensure I don't really need to miss New York, at least in terms of shopping and eating.

Otherwise, there are a lot of panhandlers, but they're all the safety-pin draped anarchist-punks, not hippies. There are some feces-smeared crazy old bums too, and they seem to get by fine on spare change from the tourists in freshly-minted Grateful Dead t-shirts. There are dozens of identical faux-hippie memento and glass pipe shops that nobody local ever goes into.

Hashbury is basically a crowded hipster drag, which I still find entertaining for an afternoon in spite of the sometimes nauseating tourist throngs. Think American Apparel + Lattes + Checkered Vans shoes.

Hardly a hippie theme park. So stick to what you know, submitter. From the looks of things, political/social commentary doesn't fall under that category either.

/Alamo Square
//Former Williamsburg

Summed up pretty perfectly. On a warm day it used to be favorite diversion of mine to grab the window table at the Gold Cane and watch the nubile hipster chicks flit by in their summer clothing, the occasional breeze coming in off of Golden Gate park bringing a stiffness to their nipples.

maffick

Oh, BTW is was governor Ronald Regan who first made LSD illegal......

Man... was there anything the guy couldn't do?

you are an angry, judgemental and mislead person. I hope that you can sort through and make peace with all of your hatefulness before it eats you alive.

I'm wwaayyy happy. After I stopped caring what the world was trying to tell me to do and jumped off the libbie bandwagon, I've nary had a sour day.

Join us whenever you're ready.

DY High

Actually, very, very few of us of that era were "hippies". However many of us were of an "activist" generation that questioned authority, something that most of today's generation seems to shun. It is unfortunate because what is labeled the "hippie generation" was able to help stop an impending police state under the Nixon administration. Those of you sheeple who don't bother to think for yourselves, blindly believe the Bush administration jingoism, and don't demand your Constitutional Rights will likely get what you have earned: A Police State. Enjoy!

Sorry mooonbeam, as a generation you mostly just whored it up, got stoned off your asses, and reduced the credibility of intelligent progressives who bathed and actually had some idea what they were talking about.

Haight-Ashbury wasn't the hippies and neither was the Summer of Love,

And is just an extension of the Beat movement of the 50's which was just a reaction to globalism after the war. Young people seeing the attention a counterculture could harness used the anti-war palette to act selfish under the guise of enlightenment. To say it went nowhere isn't really true. Kids today are just as myopic and self centered as ever and are co-opting whichever social topic suits their lazy selfish lifestyle. The IMF protests are proof. 1000 protestors with 999 different messages.

tmd0925:Yea, it's called values

There's a line between having "values" and being a close-minded, willfully ignorant ass. I like how you assume that nobody you disagree with has any sort of values or moral compass. Maybe their values are different than the ones you claim to have? Has that thought ever entered your brain at any point in your life? I know exactly what my values are and what I stand for.

Maybe the hippies did go to far sometimes. I'll have to ask my ex-hippie grandpa about that, the next time I visit him in his old folks home.

Fer chrissakes, the Sixties were forty (that's a 4 followed by a zero) years ago.

Grumbling about the hippies is sort of like people in the Sixties worrying about the menace posed by flappers and bathtub gin.

Man... was there anything the guy couldn't do?

Acting.
Remembering.

I think sad might have been better. It makes me die inside a little bit more each time a great revolution gets subsumed by drugs.

Hippies: The ultmate right wing boogieman.

DY High:It is unfortunate because what is labeled the "hippie generation" was able to help stop an impending police state under the Nixon administration.

Yeah, that's why we haven't had 30 years of increasing government intrusion into our lives, why Reagan and both Bushes were defeated in landslides, why we haven't constantly been engaged in military action of some sort against other countries constantly for the past 40 years or so, and why nobody supported legislation like the Patriot Act. Oh, wait.

The "hippie generation" didn't stop shiat.

well, the GAP on the corner of haight and ashbury is closed now, thank goodness.
but the sidewalks are full of tattooed gutter punks begging for spare change. A lot of those kids are trust fund babies out there to make their parents mad.
(I know, used to live in the neighborhood and talked to the kids...)
they ask for change, but are covered in (expensive) tattoos, and a lot of them have dogs.
the haight ashbury district is unpleasant, and there is not a club up there that has live music on a regular basis.
if it wasnt for amoeba records, (the best independant record store in the UNIVERSE) there would be NO reason to ever go up there.....ever.
IMHO,
happily living down the hill in the sunny mission district.....

Hickory-smoked:

Verifiably false. (pops)

Statistics from Wikipedia? You act like you've got some sort of silver bullet, settle down. It's not as if "social researchers" make their best effort to have their study be controversial or to disprove a past trend in order to advance their careers and have their work seen. Nnaahhh, they're always honest.

Why would you believe those articles over the Christian-group funded study regarding pedophiles? Or vice-versa? I know why, because it plays into your own "superstitions."

Can't you think back to your youth when, oh I don't know, Timmy, who grew up with his two "uncles," just wasn't quite right? Or Jenny, who didn't have a dad, slept around a bit too much? Or Bobby, with a mom and three sisters, was a little too sensitive? Common sense isn't "superstition." It is a collection of judgements based on ~pragmatic reality.~

And if we abolish the church and other moral principles, where do you, and the rest of the angry hippies, base your actions on being good to your fellow man? Off of ABC After-School specials?

I love coming here and seeing the psychosomatic shiatstorm, you guys never let me down.

Where have all the flowers gone? This picture was taken in 1998 at the Rainbow Gathering in Arizona. I was there somewhere.

All I can say about hippies is that they personify what makes America, America. Their freedom of expression, disregard for social norms, willingness to buck the system, and overall laissez faire attitude is at the heart of the American Spirit.

Sure, a lot of crumped up, self important, stiff necked windbags hate hippies! Of course they do! Just like Brittons hated the Colonists, hippies represent a tear in the paper thin social marching order that conformists hold so sacred.

Here's what pisses you off.
1. Hippies don't care how much money you make.
2. Hippies don't care if you bathe twice a day or twice a week
3. Hippies disregard all of your hard gained social/wealth status symbols
4. Hippies don't show you the respect your self important ego demands
5. Hippies enjoy a free spirited life, which makes it tougher for you to justify getting up to slave everyday for your status/wealth symbols
6. The very presence of hippies shows that all of your modern day equivalents of bustles, crumpets and tea, stiff high necked collars, suits and ties, and various other business acoutrements are simply a bunch of clap-trap props meant to boost your self esteem enough so that you can continue "playing the part". Seeing someone who has disregarded the ridiculous social requirement of "business attire" makes your tie seem to fit even tighter, you collar chafe a bit rougher.
7. Monkeys in a cage hate monkeys who are on the other side, playing in the wilderness.
8. And the #1 REASON YOU HATE HIPPIES!? Because they are having fun. You may be allowed to enjoy yourself one day a weekend, after you have removed the clap-trap monkey suit of business and made your way to the lake or the hunting lease, but these damn hippies seem to be having fun everyday doing nothing! HOW DARE THEY! Idling their time playing drums, having sex, smoking weed, making hemp jewelry, they should be ashamed! Don't they realize there is a paper thin social marching order that must be conformed too! Don't they realize that the cogs of human progress must grind forward relentlessly? Don't they realize that without a BMW no one will ever take them seriously!!!

Heaven forbid someone chooses to live their life outside the chain of fools. Heaven forbid someone escape the cave.

I can hear the inmates shrieking, "Kill the Hippies, Kill the Hippies", even the guards are in on it.

Go ahead an shriek from the confines of your computer desk. Rattle your chains and spit on the ground. The hippies are out on a lark and have already forgotten you.

The only good hippie is a...



hippie

TMD0925: 1) as an "outside observer," you admittedly have no idea about what The Summer Of Love was all about; and 2) you wear your anger and biases way too prominently on your sleeve to try to hold yourself out as anything other than another spewer of neo-con venom.

LahDeeFreakingDah


downtownkid: I'll give you something to blame the hippies for: the endless cycle of poverty black people are caught in. Those wonderful liberal social impulses led to the sweeping reform of the welfare system in 1968. The result: a system that penalizes poor folk for rising above a certain income level. This led to the social acceptability of unwed parents, as you are much better off jobbing the system so you don't go over the income level and lose your apartment and benefits. Lather, rinse and repeat. Those good intentions killed the ability to become self-sufficient and have trapped generations in the ghetto. Thanks, hippies!

Nice troll. Too bad the "Great Society" programs came about under LBJ-- the president the hippies were protesting against.

Try reading history sometime.


LahDeeFreakingDah - You don't have a farking clue as to what you are thalking about do you? I regret even taking the time.... you can't even put two and two together.

/Jeeeez! What a loser!

El Freak:

There's a line between having "values" and being a close-minded, willfully ignorant ass. I like how you assume that nobody you disagree with has any sort of values or moral compass. Maybe their values are different than the ones you claim to have? Has that thought ever entered your brain at any point in your life? I know exactly what my values are and what I stand for.

2 + 2 = 4.

"I disagree! There's other issues to discuss! People believe otherwise!"

I'm afraid I can't listen to your alternative viewpoint.

"You are an IDIOT, WHY DO YOU HATE EVERYONE. YOU ARE A SORROWFUL MAN WHO MUST OVERCOME YOUR HATE."

This is essentially what you sound like to me.

---

It would be a safe-bet to say your views are based off of things like "equal rights," "ending poverty," and "regulating corporations." Basically, anything you can do to screw over the majority because you're spiteful. And if I'm wrong about you, it's still a safe assumption, since that's what the other 80% of people on your side of the ideological fence purport.

OK, cue up your next insult.

Well, I'm still a proud hippie, and I love the Sixties and the Summer of Love. Beautiful photos and music and fun times, anyway. Wish I could have been there.

Necrosis: I'm currently taking a history class on 1968

Gawd, do I feel old.

/Remembers watching Tet on Huntley-Brinkley
//Still have my Mr Natural button
///"Everyone I thought was cool is six feet underground"

dittybopper

What event defined the late 1960's? Was it Woodstock? Doubtful. More people showed up in Florida to watch Apollo 11 lift off than went to Max Yasgur's farm.

The hippy subculture was a bunch of preening, naive youngsters more worried about themselves than anything or anyone else.

Yup! And they went on to screw up America. Good to see some common sense around here.

I blame disco for the demise of modern society.
and Saved by the Bell.

The idea that gay marriage is some sort of civil rights movement is another convoluted, idealist way to always assault the "problem" of moral structure. The color of a person's skin is not, in and of itself, a detriment to the structure of society while gay marriage truly is, no matter how sympathy-whorish they try to make their argument. A child raised by two people of the same sex will not be psychologically sound. I don't listen to alternative viewpoints, the ideal parent relationship is a man and the woman, any incentive to do otherwise is an irresponsible abatement against the development of children.

Statistics from Wikipedia? You act like you've got some sort of silver bullet, settle down. It's not as if "social researchers" make their best effort to have their study be controversial or to disprove a past trend in order to advance their careers and have their work seen. Nnaahhh, they're always honest.

Why would you believe those articles over the Christian-group funded study regarding pedophiles? Or vice-versa? I know why, because it plays into your own "superstitions."

Can't you think back to your youth when, oh I don't know, Timmy, who grew up with his two "uncles," just wasn't quite right? Or Jenny, who didn't have a dad, slept around a bit too much? Or Bobby, with a mom and three sisters, was a little too sensitive? Common sense isn't "superstition." It is a collection of judgements based on ~pragmatic reality.~

And if we abolish the church and other moral principles, where do you, and the rest of the angry hippies, base your actions on being good to your fellow man? Off of ABC After-School specials?

I love coming here and seeing the psychosomatic shiatstorm, you guys never let me down.

And GET OFF MY DAMN LAWN!

/sorry, I'm just imagining this guy as some old coot screaming at people passing by his house.

TMD0925: 1) as an "outside observer," you admittedly have no idea about what The Summer Of Love was all about;

Enlighten me. I looked it up in Websters, there doesn't seem to be an agreed upon definition. Do you have access to the secret hippie scrolls? Please, share!

"It's back there a ways," Weir says. "Other stuff that proceeded that seems a little closer. I don't know. Stuff gets mixed up."

Thanks, Bob! Stunning insight!

/take a bath, hippy!

Microbe

Here's what pisses you off.
1. Hippies don't care how much money you make.

I don't make much money.

2. Hippies don't care if you bathe twice a day or twice a week

That doesn't piss me off so much as annoy me. I don't like exposure to people with poor hygiene.

3. Hippies disregard all of your hard gained social/wealth status symbols
That's really just a duplicate of 1.

4. Hippies don't show you the respect your self important ego demands
Hippies don't show basic courtesy to other people's hard work. I found this out the hard way when a hippy "friend" of mine and some of his cronies trashed by place and left.

5. Hippies enjoy a free spirited life, which makes it tougher for you to justify getting up to slave everyday for your status/wealth symbols

If by "free Spirited" you mean total lack of respect for other peoples property, yeah, you could say that.

6. The very presence of hippies shows that all of your modern day equivalents of bustles, crumpets and tea, stiff high necked collars, suits and ties, and various other business acoutrements are simply a bunch of clap-trap props meant to boost your self esteem enough so that you can continue "playing the part". Seeing someone who has disregarded the ridiculous social requirement of "business attire" makes your tie seem to fit even tighter, you collar chafe a bit rougher.

No, that's what punk shows. Hippies show that some people choose to gather together and cling to a movement that lost its center a long time ago. These tend to be children of rich parents who have no motivation to actually change anything.

7. Monkeys in a cage hate monkeys who are on the other side, playing in the wilderness.

There's a monkey named Ishmael you should speak with.

8. And the #1 REASON YOU HATE HIPPIES!? Because they are having fun. You may be allowed to enjoy yourself one day a weekend, after you have removed the clap-trap monkey suit of business and made your way to the lake or the hunting lease, but these damn hippies seem to be having fun everyday doing nothing! HOW DARE THEY! Idling their time playing drums, having sex, smoking weed, making hemp jewelry, they should be ashamed! Don't they realize there is a paper thin social marching order that must be conformed too! Don't they realize that the cogs of human progress must grind forward relentlessly? Don't they realize that without a BMW no one will ever take them seriously!!!

Here's the rub. Why do hippies get to bum around all day every day? Because aside from the very few living in communes growing their own food, most hippies fill the role of scavenger on society. They make nothing and do nothing to better society. A few make decent music, a few sell drugs. The rest don't pull their own weight especially when it comes to building their ideals into real world results.

Heaven forbid someone chooses to live their life outside the chain of fools. Heaven forbid someone escape the cave.


I can hear the inmates shrieking, "Kill the Hippies, Kill the Hippies", even the guards are in on it.

Go ahead an shriek from the confines of your computer desk. Rattle your chains and spit on the ground. The hippies are out on a lark and have already forgotten you.

Then their not hippies and they have no right to the title. Hippies tried to change the world. They tried and failed. That's why punk got its start. Peaceful chanting got undermined by pot and acid. Punk got undermined by coke and booze. Cling to the past if you will monkey, I'm looking for something better.

Craig341

And GET OFF MY DAMN LAWN!

/sorry, I'm just imagining this guy as some old coot screaming at people passing by his house.

LOL, hell yea, I idolize that stereotype. I'd be "hateful," but aren't they bastards since they were on the lawn in the first place?

/26 year old engineer and published fiction author.

Enlighten me. I looked it up in Websters, there doesn't seem to be an agreed upon definition. Do you have access to the secret hippie scrolls? Please, share!

Free-range assfarking; why do you ask?

conforming outwardly and conforming on the inside are two different things.

I think all the bitterness to the submitter is probably rooted in the fact that he's right.

Nothing so painful as the truth.

Even more funny? The grunge movement that assbags like Billy Corgan actually thought was a social movement and not just a fashion fad.

We cannot have it both ways. We want to say video games and thrash music aren't responsible for violence and treatment of women, blah blah blah.

But later each artist cannot help but talk about how their music changes lives, means so much to people, etc.

The problem with hippies? Like every other social movement, they usually only connect with themselves and leave no room for those who don't think like they do.

And if you want to get anything done, often the people attractied to the hippies lifestyle aren't the most organized sort.

If you had a couple ex-facist nazi's with some hippies? Then you'd get some shiat done. Say what you will about Nazi;s, but damn they ran their meetings on time.

/incidentally, this is why Chavez will fail.
//and Mugabe

2007-02-19 02:37:07 PM Microbe

heh, nice post. I asked earlier what exactly the "hippie agenda" entailed, and I think you nailed it. So it seems they did succeed with their agenda, and the headline is false.

Mr.Churka

You are awesome.

snikrepkire: Haight St. was one of the few places at which I cheerfully gave money to panhandlers.

Please, for FSM's sake. Don't do that. Don't give them money. I'd like to take this opportunity to say it again, DO NOT GIVE THEM MONEY!

If you need to give them anything, give them plastic shopping bags and ask them to clean up after their dogs.

BLIND MAN: You are aptly named my friend. Actually VN vet, college grad on the GI Bill, raised a successful family, and am reasonably affluent. Loved my country then, love it now. Was willing to fight against an corrupt administration while serving my country as a soldier, student and citizen. Appalled at what it is becoming. A nation of sheep willing to turn over responsibility for our nation to corrupt, incompotent extremists.

"There is a monster on the loose, it has our head into a noose and we just sit there, watching."

2007-02-19 02:53:59 PM nuclear_asshat

So what do you think the "hippie agenda" was that didn't succeed?

OldManDownDRoad - Gawd, do I feel old.

Don't blame me, look at your username!

Sure, the hippies, yippies, radicals, new left, and so on, didn't accomplish the revolution. There were many different goals, groups, and agendas. While many of them were naive idealists or pretentious pedants, others did accomplish meaningful change. Many had connections with the civil rights movement, womens equality, gay liberation, and general tolerance that have made this country a better place.

/unless you find the "1/2 Hour Newshour" funny

They're. fark man. You're hippie lack of convention is destroying my grammatical structure. Damn you Leary!

nuclear_asshat: If you had a couple ex-facist nazi's with some hippies? Then you'd get some shiat done. Say what you will about Nazi;s, but damn they ran their meetings on time.

Could you attempt to explain, with any degree of logic at all, what you are trying to say with that construct?

tmd0925

/26 year old engineer and published fiction author.

I'm assuming the latter is a reference to your posts in this thread?