Someone post that pic of the 'inappropriate and suggestive' stained glass window with the priest standing over a guy kneeling in front of him.

Ask and ye shall receive...



/or give, depending on your role in the Mass

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: "In the past 10 years, as public funding for family planning has stalled, unplanned pregnancy rates have jumped 29% among poor women; they are now more than four times as likely to have abortions as richer ones."

Do what you will with those numbers.

If the poor women would stop having abortions and just sell the kids, they would BE the richer ones?

HotWingConspiracy

I also think the Pope should clean house. Everyone who had any knowledge of the buttsecks scene has got to go.

For sure! You know, if the Church allowed marriage I think things would be different. Not because married people don't molest kids, but because it would be easier to replace priests. I think they don't fire everyone because there is already a shortage. Not a very moral reason, but they Church is a business (no matter how much they try to deny it).

A priest, a rabbi and a gorilla walk into a bar.

The bartender looks at them and says "Is this some kind of joke?"

Galen_Rasputin:
cum guzzeling cigarette smokeing abusive welfare queen of a mother

fap fap fap

rodeofrog

and I agree with your grandfather. But if Catholic kids want to succumb to "secular" pressure, they can go to "secular" resources for their info and protection. And btw, i don't have a problem with the government handing out condoms personally (ounce of prevention etc) but if these guys won't spend a few bucks to buy their own I'm guessing they probably won't be arsed to use the free ones either.

Detroit_Bob :Why is the the .govs job to distribute condoms?

Somebody should. Just saw "Idiocracy". Funny movie, but scary as hell too.

Sgian Dubh: If the poor women would stop having abortions and just sell the kids, they would BE the richer ones?

Mr. Johnathan Swift on the phone for you, sir. Something about finding your proposal modest.

tonesskin: You know, if the Church allowed marriage I think things would be different.

Absolutely. I think it would improve vastly.

Thisbymaster: Because giving people the idea that they can have safe sex is good........There is no such thing and leading people to believe that should be a crime.
/condoms are just a sign of a weak willed society not progress

I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter

The worldwide average age for first sexual intercourse is 14. This means that for every country like Iran and Pakistan that pulls the average up, we have western countries that pull the average down.

Give that some thought before you berate people trying to protect teenagers from contracting a potentially fatal disease during sex.

serpent_sky: Sucks badly

I thought only chest wounds sucked? ;-þ

Thanks for asking.

No sweat. Enjoyed the conversation yesterday.

How come Orthodox priests don't have this problem with teh little tikes?

/they can get married
//Orthodox

tonesskin:

And how is it that I think exactly?
What box have you put me into?

thegreatwaldini:

actually that is absolutely NOT a fact so dont go spreading lies.

People are having sex with or without condoms, that is a fact. Just because contraceptives are available, does not mean it will increase. they are already having sex, atleast now they are being less dangerous about it,

Oh Schnapp!

I don't know why this in news, I have been trying to distribute free condoms for years.

Unfortunately the women don't seem to want them.

The catholic church made the rule up about priests not getting married and the whole celibacy thing. red october

JDAT: skinny-lil-b

"VERY proud mom of a bastard or two. I was a single parent (am I still a single parent if the kiddies are adults?).

What shouldn't I be proud of, asswipe?"

1. Having illegitimate children
2. Giving your kids an improper homelife, no Dad, etc.
3. Filthy language

Who the fark are you to decide what is and/or isn't a "proper" homelife?

Hah.

thegreatwaldini: Even if you take out the fact that condoms are prohibited by the church, you can't ignore the fact that this decision will increase the number of people having sex outside of marriage. This is something the Church strongly opposes.

Poor Catholic Church... if only they had a way to keep their sheep in line... something along the lines of threatening eternal damnation and hellfire maybe.

But if Catholic kids want to succumb to "secular" pressure, they can go to "secular" resources for their info and protection. And btw, i don't have a problem with the government handing out condoms personally (ounce of prevention etc) but if these guys won't spend a few bucks to buy their own I'm guessing they probably won't be arsed to use the free ones either.

I guess this is my problem. Pilots don't buy parachutes because they plan to crash. Good kids can be encouraged to be prepared in case they find themselves in a moment of weekness. So many people think a kid has already sinned the instant he picks up a jimmy hat. Instead, the kid should be encouraged to avoid sex, but also encouraged to understand that he may find himself in a moment of passion, at which time, he'd better have a condom.

Who the fark are you to decide what is and/or isn't a "proper" homelife?

/because he is a catholic blowhard thats connected to god so he says.

+1 from me as well.

What was Serena Williams doing with a priest and a rabbi?

Drypht00: The catholic church made the rule up about priests not getting married and the whole celibacy thing.

Yes, back in the middle ages, as an anti-corruption measure, in order to keep the monastaries from going dynastic.

sorry about the ignorance but what exactly meant by dynastic?

Drypht00

The catholic church made the rule up about priests not getting married and the whole celibacy thing.

Meh, outdated medieval politics. Nowhere does Jebus command teh ghey for priesthood.

I have no problem with someone being Catholic, per se. I have some Catholic friends, most of them are pretty cool. The more hardcore ones are fine until the topic turns to anything that religion can be thrown into, and then I just go home. It works, and we're all pretty cool with it. Now with that preface:

What I have a problem with is how the Catholic church seems to not only condone molestation of young boys (if not explicitly, then implicitly by transferring priests from parish to parish as soon as a few serious complaints come up), but that a good number of Catholic priests have admitted that they, too, were molested as a child by their priest. Molesting boys is apperently a recruitment tactic by the Catholic church.
There are a few interesting, eye-opening, scary, and heartbreaking documentaries, biographies, and news stories on the subject matter.

As to the actual subject matter of the thread - protesting distrubtion of condoms.

thegreatwaldini: you can't ignore the fact that this decision will increase the number of people having sex outside of marriage

I would like a source to go with that claim. I suspect that people will as often have sex without a condom as with a condom. Distribution of condoms doesn't logically equate to higher rates of sex because the possession of a condom doesn't increase arousal levels. If, however, you have a source to back it up, I'll rescind my statement.

ChairmanKaga: Its ok to bash Catholics on fark....

I've found that there is no group on Fark that is held above ridicule. If you think the groups you like get hit too hard, you probably need to read other articles as well. EVERYONE gets hit because Farkers have a myriad of beliefs and opinions.

RocketRod: Is no one concerned that the NYC government is trying to tell people what to do?

They aren't legislating that people must wear a condom. Because of the health concerns, they are recommending that people use protection. While abstinence is the only way to be 100% on these matters, people do want to have sex. Why alienate them by suggesting they don't have sex? People are more willing to listen if you hear them out.

How can you have more people outside marriage having sex.

It is damn near 100% as it is.

sure everyone pays a little lipservice that they wont and everything but no one honestly gives a shiat about that rule now a days.

Even people that lecture others still have sex at one time or another outside of marriage.

and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

that whole rule is designed to maintain power and that is all.

Didn't mean to threadjack or anything but that could be the reason behind the scandal wouldn't you say.

Pollexabator:
Thank you sir. The thread is now complete. :)

JDAT: What box have you put me into?

Are you kidding? You drew the farking box yourself! You drew the first two lines at 2007-02-16 01:33:43 PM, and finished off with the second two at 2007-02-16 01:42:19 PM. Nobody needed to help you.

ZannSu
What's your solution to stop the spread of AIDS, STD's and unwanted pregnancies?

Don't have sex with someone who has AIDS, STD's?

It's just impossible for both sides to see eye to eye on this issue. If I feel sex is a Holy Sacrament between two people within the context of marriage,while you feel it's an expression of love or entertainment appropriate at any time or any place with anyone you like, it's tough to come to grips with the other point of view. If you want the real reason why Catholics are opposed to condoms/birth control I'll tell you, but it's long and won't sound very sane to someone who's been brought up with a different point of view.

Drypht00: sorry about the ignorance but what exactly meant by dynastic?

Setting up a dynasty--a situation where the abbot (guy in charge of the monastary) would have his son inherit his position, etc.

Kome: Molesting boys is apperently a recruitment tactic by the Catholic church.

And teh gheys, can't forget them. Fjeer teh recruitment of teh ghey agenda!

/Source on that, please?

There's no data to suggest sexual abuse is higher amongst Catholic priests than any other relative group (Protestant ministers, Eastern Orthodox priests, etc.).

What we have here is good old fashioned American bigotry, with a new, hip acceptability. There was a bright spot with JFK, but Anglo-Americans are just stupid and set in this rut.

rodeofrog

Just to let you know, I'm not disagreeing with you, just explaining the Church's position on it. There are safeguards already in place - the most important being to "avoid the near occasion of sin" - meaning you take care to avoid putting yourself in situations where you may lose control. Secondly you are to fortify yourself with prayer and sacramental grace, so if you do find yourself in that position, you have developed the inner strength to not succumb. Finally, the Church recognizes that sometimes you will make a mistake regardless, hence the Sacrament of Confession. The Church believes in prevention as well, they just have a different way of going about it.

Paul comments in one of the letters about how it is best to abstain from sex, but if you aren't able to then you should get married. Maybe this is the justification for the celibate priest requirement?

/cradle Catholic
//Catholic school grades 1-12
///quit when 15
////rusty on Catholic stuff

Thanks munisfire, wasnt clear on that.

thegreatwaldini: Don't have sex with someone who has AIDS, STD's?

And if you're married to someone who does?

/Fark thread a while back mentioned that situation; I've got related material here, including a link to the Fark thread.

I never wear a condom (HATE those things) unless the girl I'm with insists. I already have AIDS, herpes, and genital warts, so I'm not too concerned about catching anything anymore.

There's no data to suggest sexual abuse is higher amongst Catholic priests than any other relative group (Protestant ministers, Eastern Orthodox priests, etc.)

But the scandal has more wrinkles than that. Combine the (a) incidents of abuse with (b) multi-layered cover-ups and (c) celibacy (an idea most folks can't get their heads around to begin with), and you have a holy trinity of repulsive action by the church.

serpent_sky: When you get car insurance, do you crash your car more often?

Well, that one, some folks could take exception to--the people with the allegedly 'safe' cars who can afford good insurance tend to drive perhaps a little less carefully than others.

But the point you make is legit; I'm just quibbling over a detail.

JDAT
4. Making snap judjements
5. Not dealing with your bitterness for having illegitimate children, no husband.
6. Picking a bad login on Fark
7. General anger towards men & all those who are happily married & connected with God.

4. I don't think those judgments were 'snap'. They seem to be a reasonable reaction to an attack.
5. I didn't detect any bitterness.
6. Her login works. It allows her to get in and do what she wants to do on fark.
7. I don't think she was angry at men, just against those pricks who think they are holier than she is.


BTW, if you claim to be Catholic/Christian, might I recommend re-reading the sections dealing with "forgiveness" and "hypocracy"

Confessions and hail-mary's aren't going to wash away your STD's...