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(AP)   As evidence that the "Surge" is working; officials note that only 10 murdered bodies were found this morning instead of the usual 40-50   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 146
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2007-02-16 10:30:50 AM
When I play Doom, eventually I run out of things to shoot. Perhaps this is what is happening in Iraq.
 
2007-02-16 10:40:48 AM
I agree with the submitter, this is a bad thing.

We need more deaths!
 
2007-02-16 10:41:30 AM
The surge will not last forever, and does nothing to address the root cause of the issue.

As soon as we declare the surge a success and lose interest, the internacine warfare will begin again all over again.

It's like Republicans have never heard of ethnic and tribal warfare.
 
2007-02-16 10:42:30 AM
When i play Doom, eventually I run out of bullets. Perhaps this is what is happening in Iraq.

Dont know if its the Americans or the insurgents that are running out. Probably the Americans though.
 
2007-02-16 10:43:43 AM
Iraqi army Brig. Gen. Qassim Moussawi, a spokesman for the Baghdad commander, said only 10 bodies had been reported by the morgue in the capital, compared to an average of 40 to 50 per day.

While I hope this is true, given the track record of Iraqi and US military proclamations, I'll wait for a more reliable source.
 
2007-02-16 10:43:50 AM
With 4000-5000 Iraqis getting killed each month and about 100,000 displaced, it's only a matter of time until we empty the place out.
 
2007-02-16 10:44:40 AM
Then we re-populate it with Mormons.
 
2007-02-16 10:45:29 AM
Has the surge actually started yet? I got the feeling the boys were still mobilizing.
 
2007-02-16 10:45:32 AM
Every hunter knows you must maintain a sustainable yield.
 
2007-02-16 10:45:36 AM
Lonestar: Dont know if its the Americans or the insurgents that are running out. Probably the Americans though.

Isn't it interesting the we're only concerned with who's arming the Shiite militias, who account for only a small percentage of American deaths?

It's almost like we're afraid to admit that Sunni countries, like the giant one to Iraq's south, might be shipping stuff to their side in the Iraqi proxy war.
 
2007-02-16 10:45:54 AM
No more bullets? Okay, everybody over to Afghanistan.
 
2007-02-16 10:48:12 AM
so it's down to detroit levels?
 
2007-02-16 10:50:08 AM
Freedom isn't free, it costs folks like you and me he and she...
 
2007-02-16 10:50:50 AM
Occams_Electric_Razor [TotalFark]

YOUR CRAZY!

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2007-02-16 11:07:01 AM
Have the troops from this escalation actually arrived yet? Or is this just more propaganda?
 
2007-02-16 11:10:28 AM
TheConvincingSavant,

I agree with the submitter, this is a bad thing.

We need more deaths!


Where did the submitter say that this was a bad thing?
 
2007-02-16 11:12:36 AM
you're evan..
 
2007-02-16 11:32:19 AM
And a general just said this reduction in violence is only temporary, because insurgents are just lying low while there are more troops in Baghdad.
 
2007-02-16 11:41:23 AM
JohnnyC :Have the troops from this escalation actually arrived yet? Or is this just more propaganda?

Yep they are there. That's what is so funny about what is happening in the House right now. The army can move 20k troops faster then the House can write a "non-binding" resolution.
At least I find it funny.
 
2007-02-16 11:43:29 AM
2007-02-16 11:32:19 AM elchip

And a general just said this reduction in violence is only temporary, because insurgents are just lying low while there are more troops in Baghdad.


Let them lay low then. If they are laying low because of troop increases, then Bush's plan appears to be working.

Keep them there until we train enough Iraqi military to overwhelm that area, then we can move some out.
 
2007-02-16 11:47:33 AM
If they are laying low because of troop increases, then Bush's plan appears to be working.


TCS's plan for ridding his kitchen of cockroaches:

Step one: Turn the light on.
Step two: Congratulate yourself for ridding the kitchen of roaches. WHat?! They all ran away! They're all gone!
 
2007-02-16 11:48:10 AM
TheConvincingSavant: Keep them there until we train enough Iraqi military to overwhelm that area, then we can move some out.

If the world's most powerful and well-equipped army can't keep a lid on the insurgency, a third-world army stands no chance whatsoever. It's also unwise to say that there's a substantive differentiation between the Iraqi military and the militas.
 
2007-02-16 11:48:21 AM
He was the first indication that it was working. Also he is another tie between Iraq and Iran
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This needs a caption contest
 
2007-02-16 11:52:20 AM
TheConvincingSavant: "Keep them there until we train enough Iraqi military to overwhelm that area, then we can move some out."

Hopefully that works.

/ Pro-surge
// Voted Democratic in 2004 and 2006
/// This has the potential to make Democrats look very, very bad
 
2007-02-16 11:55:14 AM
Vetinari: He was the first indication that it was working. Also he is another tie between Iraq and Iran

Despite his and his father's lifelong rally against Iranian influence in Shiite matters and attempted meddling in Iraq?

There's also his and his father's longtime insistence that Iraqis stay in Iraq despite being in mortal danger, which is what cost Sadr's father his life and is what turned them both into such huge folk heroes.

The facts don't support your premise.
 
2007-02-16 11:55:52 AM
Step one: Turn the light on.
Step two: Congratulate yourself for ridding the kitchen of roaches. WHat?! They all ran away! They're all gone!


Step three: Leave the light on while the bug bombs are put in place.

Step four: Kill the bugs.

Yep, looks to be working. I know winning in Iraq is killing some of you inside, but winning is the only real option here.
 
2007-02-16 11:56:16 AM
Whenever I play cs_assault, eventually the terrorists win.

/worst map ever
 
2007-02-16 11:57:07 AM
Occams_Electric_Razor :If the world's most powerful and well-equipped army can't keep a lid on the insurgency, a third-world army stands no chance whatsoever.

Well as it has been stated before, Aircraft carriers are not very good in house to house fighting. I believe that the people in Iraq will be more better at protecting Iraq. Right now they dont have the man power or the info to protect themselves, we can supply the man power but they have to get the info. Once we have train enough troops/police then we can leave and the people will be more likely to supply the police with intel.


Occams_Electric_Razor :It's also unwise to say that there's a substantive differentiation between the Iraqi military and the militas.

That is what the training and arms shipments are for. Hopefully we will stay long enough to give them the edge that they need
 
2007-02-16 11:58:33 AM
more better??!!?!

Damn I need more coffee
 
2007-02-16 12:00:02 PM
TheConvincingSavant: Yep, looks to be working. I know winning in Iraq is killing some of you inside, but winning is the only real option here.

From looking at the success of the first days of the Battle of the Bulge TheConvincingSavant concludes that Germany will turn around the war in Europe.
 
2007-02-16 12:01:30 PM
If the world's most powerful and well-equipped army can't keep a lid on the insurgency, a third-world army stands no chance whatsoever.

That right there is why we know some of you don't support the troops.

According to generals in the field, we've yet to lose a single battle in Iraq against the insurgents. Our troops are doing everything they are asked to do. It's the politcal leadership thats binding their hands.

And an army trained by the best, supplied by the best hardly fits your "3rd world" classification.
 
2007-02-16 12:05:05 PM
Occams_Electric_Razor:Despite his and his father's lifelong rally against Iranian influence in Shiite matters and attempted meddling in Iraq?

Well, of course they want Iran to stay out of Shiite matters! They want to control that. But what happened when the heat was raised on him? I guess he would rather be near his political rival then near the Great Satan.

Occams_Electric_RazorThere's also his and his father's longtime insistence that Iraqis stay in Iraq despite being in mortal danger, which is what cost Sadr's father his life and is what turned them both into such huge folk heroes.

Looks like he was not as strong of a believer as his father.
 
2007-02-16 12:05:19 PM
Vetinari: Hopefully we will stay long enough to give them the edge that they need

Your premise presumes that the Shiites don't support the actions of the Shiite militias, and the Sunnis don't support the insurgents.

There is simply no way Saudi Arabia will allow a Shiite-governed country to have a common border with them - they consider the Shiites to be the worst kind of heretics, worse than even the Americans.
 
2007-02-16 12:05:42 PM
Occams_Electric_Razor: "From looking at the success of the first days of the Battle of the Bulge TheConvincingSavant concludes that Germany will turn around the war in Europe."

From looking at the failures of the first hours at Normandy Beach Occams_Electric_Razor concludes that the Allies will fail to turn around the war in Europe.

/Give it a bit of a chance, eh
 
2007-02-16 12:06:52 PM
Vetinari: Looks like he was not as strong of a believer as his father.

The conventional wisdom has Sadr in the marshlands in the south of Iraq, not Iran. Just saying.
 
2007-02-16 12:06:53 PM
I totally used the wrong analogy. Oh well, my slashies tell what I meant.
 
2007-02-16 12:10:01 PM
TheConvincingSavant: And an army trained by the best, supplied by the best hardly fits your "3rd world" classification.

No amount of training or American weapons is going to convince Shiites they're not Shiites, Kurds they're not Kurds, and Sunnis they're not Sunnis. You're presuming that some quasi national identity will trump tribal, ethinic, and religious identities.
 
2007-02-16 12:10:29 PM
We get the idea elchip. It was a good point.
 
2007-02-16 12:12:07 PM
You're presuming that some quasi national identity will trump tribal, ethinic, and religious identities.

And why not? It works for all other free nations.
 
2007-02-16 12:16:48 PM
elchip: I totally used the wrong analogy. Oh well, my slashies tell what I meant.

I'd be more willing to give the benefit of the doubt were it not for the fact that the idea was dreamed up by the same geniuses who got us into this mess in the first place.

If this idea was implemented years ago it might have worked, but the same people who thought up this idea were busy telling us things were just jim-dandy over there.
 
2007-02-16 12:18:09 PM
Occams_Electric_Razor:No amount of training or American weapons is going to convince Shiites they're not Shiites, Kurds they're not Kurds, and Sunnis they're not Sunnis. You're presuming that some quasi national identity will trump tribal, ethinic, and religious identities.

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At one time an entire nation thought this man was a GOD. They got over it. Too bad, I dont think that we have that kind of dedication anymore. Maybe they were the greatest generation, and we have been nothing but down hill since then. All I know is that the men and women in the field will not be the ones to blame if this ends brown and runny.
 
2007-02-16 12:20:25 PM
TheConvincingSavant: We get the idea elchip. It was a good point.

The surge is just a drop in the bucket in terms of numbers that we would need, and we're not losing by just a drop in the bucket. Events have moved beyond our control at this point.

TheConvincingSavant: And why not? It works for all other free nations.

Like when Yugoslavia was freed?
 
2007-02-16 12:22:25 PM
Occams_Electric_Razor: The surge is just a drop in the bucket in terms of numbers that we would need, and we're not losing by just a drop in the bucket. Events have moved beyond our control at this point.

Yes. Its time for Iraqis to step up and take over. If they can't do so, then sending more troops over will not help them. On the other hand, I am not relishing leaving another Somalia behind us. Perhaps we could call on the Ethiopian army to help train the Iraqis.
 
2007-02-16 12:23:06 PM
Vetinari: All I know is that the men and women in the field will not be the ones to blame if this ends brown and runny.

I'm certainly not blaming the military for this fiasco, the sole blame for this lies on the President.

He gave them all brooms and told them to sweep back the sea.
 
2007-02-16 12:23:50 PM
Like when Yugoslavia was freed?

Wow, that was a stretch.
 
2007-02-16 12:24:05 PM
Occams_Electric_Razor: I'd be more willing to give the benefit of the doubt were it not for the fact that the idea was dreamed up by the same geniuses who got us into this mess in the first place.

Not to mention that the troop levels have been increased before, with the rosy results we see today. Somebody post that graph!

/will give it a bit of a chance anyway, elchip.
 
2007-02-16 12:27:49 PM
In related news, this can't be the warmest January on record, because it's cold as hell outside.
 
2007-02-16 12:30:08 PM
There are the same guys making the claim who claimed we injured an Al-Queda leader. We didn't.

There's no credibility here, and seizing on one, just one, data point to show proof of a concept is ridiculous.

Keep up the cheerleading, though, guys. It's very troop-supporting.
 
2007-02-16 12:32:29 PM
TheConvincingSavant: Like when Yugoslavia was freed?

Wow, that was a stretch.


In what sense is it a stretch? Both countries are artificially created countries kept together only by a brutal dictator and criss-crossed by strong ethnic and religious divisions.

It's a dead-on comparison.
 
2007-02-16 12:33:04 PM
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I don't think this is going to help.
 
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