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(ESPN)   Jeff Gordon wins 2nd qualifying race, fails after race inspection due to "parts failure"   (sports.espn.go.com) divider line 37
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2007-02-15 09:36:16 PM
GordOwned!


`got nothing.
``slashies with restrictor plates
 
2007-02-15 09:36:28 PM
Double standards NASCAR? I mean yes, its tougher to explain away rocket fuel in your engine, but a car an inch lower than the competition certainly gives you a clear advantage. Maybe it was unintentional, but how do they know for certain? Seems like Jeff Gordon gets the benefit and doesn't get the points deduction like other teams. It is a penalty to start in the rear but nowhere near as harmful as losing 25, 50, or 100 points.
 
2007-02-15 09:36:43 PM
Thats what she said!

/National thats what she said day ROCKS!
//So do slashies
 
2007-02-15 09:40:31 PM
he difference between Waltrip and Gordon was Waltrip's deal was intentional cheating whereas Gordon's was a mechanic's error having not properly bolted the shock to its mount. HOWEVER, it was mounted under spervision of the officials before inspection, and somehow ALL of them missed that it was mismounted.
 
2007-02-15 09:42:34 PM
2007-02-15 09:36:28 PM Daedalus27

Double standards NASCAR? I mean yes, its tougher to explain away rocket fuel in your engine


Take a moment and consider the meaning of a "double standard". I mean, really think about it. Then realize why no one will read the rest of what you wrote.
 
2007-02-15 09:46:17 PM
Favoritism to Gordon and Hendrick yet again.

Dock point and take away the duel win to be fair.
 
2007-02-15 09:48:21 PM
So Gordon gets it in the rear again?
 
2007-02-15 09:51:29 PM
The lesson being that NASCAR really, really, REALLY hates cheating.

(Unless you drive for Rick Hendrick. In which case, not so much.)
 
2007-02-15 09:57:30 PM
What does this have to do with the huge-ass crash involving a dozen cars Sunday afternoon? The announcer hicks always allude to one during a race on a superspeedway during the broadcast. Well dammit, they do.

"Well, it's not a question of IF the BIG ONE is going to take place...it's a matter of WHEN."

One of the announcer clowns always says that. And it gets me really excited for a car-flipping, tire flying spectator death inducing crash.

I'm only into NASCAR for the wrecks. Gigantic, multi-car take-out-half-the-field wipeouts.

I can't wait!
 
2007-02-15 10:04:30 PM
www.fototime.com
 
2007-02-15 10:13:09 PM
Norad
I'm only into NASCAR for the wrecks. Gigantic, multi-car take-out-half-the-field wipeouts.

At least you're honest.
 
2007-02-15 10:21:00 PM
I dont like the "top 35 in owners points automatically get in each week" rule, and I definitely dont like how the top 35 from LAST YEARS points standings get in automatically for the first 5 races.

/Past champions provisional can bite my ass too.
 
2007-02-15 10:30:41 PM
Tourney3p0, according to the wikipedia, "a double standard, according to the World Book Dictionary, is a standard applied more leniently to one group than to another."

Now lets look at other infractions and how NASCAR's has handled cheating.

Kasey Kahne, Elliott Sadler, Scott Riggs, and Matt Kenseth all lost crew chiefs and were fined for qualifying problems. Matt Kenseth crew chief claimed he improperly screwed a cap on which allowed an aerodynamic advantage when it fell off. Did it matter whether or not it was intentional to NASCAR (it was intentional of course)? Heck no, fine and suspend them since it gave an advantage.

Now Jeff Gordon has a similar advantage thanks to improper equipment. His crew chief is not suspended, there is no fine, no points deduction, all he has to do is start at the rear of the field. Yes, they were slightly different incidents but both gave an aerodynamic advantage and helped in their qualifying attempts/qualifying race. Jeff Gordon gets a slap on the wrist, the other teams get hammered.

I don't think it is out of the question to suggest that NASCAR might have a double standard in play here. There is a different degree of culpability potentially (especially with the Michael Waltrip situation which is why I didn't include it) but the punishments appear disproportionate to some degree which may imply a double standard. You are free to disagree but I think I was correct in suggesting there might be something else in play here.
 
2007-02-15 10:31:43 PM
Seriously, what's with all the headlines that belong one tab to the right popping up under "Sports" recently?
 
2007-02-15 10:54:47 PM
calm like a bomb: Seriously, what's with all the headlines that belong one tab to the right popping up under "Sports" recently?

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2007-02-15 11:17:20 PM
Norad pretty much nailed my interest in the superspeedways.

*The short tracks- Bristol, Martinsville- you have cars all over the track and no chance to get any sort of a pack going, so if you're not good enough you can drop dozens of laps before the day is out.
*The road tracks- Sonoma, the Glen- that's got the obvious "hey-they-make-RIGHT-turns-too" appeal. (Speaking of, can we get Road America or Laguna Seca or something?)
*The cookie-cutter 1.5-mile tracks- Dover, Atlanta- can suck a dick.
*There are a few special tracks that have their own appeal- Rockingham and the Tire-Eating Asphalt From Hell comes to mind.
*The superspeedways, though- Daytona, Talladega- is where the Big One happens. Then it's a whole new test of driving skill- you don't know when it'll happen, but it'll happen, and you have to be able to avoid it when it happens. Do it and you're almost guaranteed a halfway decent payday. Fail and you start the season in a big points hole.
 
2007-02-15 11:29:02 PM
Apparently I don't pay enough attention- they stopped racing at Rockingham? Son of a biatch.
 
2007-02-15 11:29:16 PM
did the #24 have any contact with another car or the wall during the race? just saying. otherwise his CC should be gone.
 
2007-02-15 11:34:51 PM
What is with the Jeff Gordon gay jokes. I have never seen Dale Jr. with a woman.
 
2007-02-15 11:41:15 PM
it will be interesting when the substance in the #55's manifolds is identified. then possibly determine who was involved. if mikey was then its a permanent ban. involvememnt like that is not like betting on baseball?

having some contraption devised to remove parts during movememnt of said race car to bring it closer to the ground is no different than some fuel additive. drilling holes in parts is cheating too. if they banned evernham racing from the track, dodge would look bad. same as RCR.
 
2007-02-15 11:56:30 PM
dale jr took some girl on his boat with his mom on some show.
jrs hook up started at the track and she was hot. gordon on the otherhand is cover his gayness up.
 
2007-02-15 11:59:41 PM
gordon is from cali. so call him bi-sexual. any man with that amount of money would still obtain a piece of female ass occasionally. call it luck or fate.
 
2007-02-16 12:06:07 AM
calm like a bomb: Seriously, what's with all the headlines that belong one tab to the right popping up under "Sports" recently?

The better question is "what's with you coming into every fark NASCAR thread and whining about which tab it's under?"

/biatch
 
2007-02-16 02:32:34 AM
What_Would_Jimi_Do, I doubt Michael was involved directly in that. From what his fellow drivers describe him, he is more a pure driver rather than driver/mechanic. He is too busy plugging Napa and his other sponsors to be worried about the mechanical aspects of the team. Of course who knows, with that huge risk that backfired in this case, would the crew chief and team management make this modification without telling him?
 
2007-02-16 03:25:42 AM
Gosling

I hate that they took The Rock away, but I finally get to go to Darlington this year. I don't think it will be very long before NASCAR decides to drop "The Lady in Black" also; seems lots of drivers dislike it and there are very few attractions other than the race itself.
 
2007-02-16 03:40:31 AM
I hate to see the older tracks go (Riverside International Raceway, North Wilkesboro and Rockingham being the most recent). Its especially bad that they have been replaced mostly by the cookie cutter 1.5 mile triovals. Where is the challenge of the short track or heaven forbid a road course anymore? Sure we get token appearances as Martinsville, Walkins Glen, and Sears Point but a greater variety of tracks and disciplines required would be more enjoyable.
 
2007-02-16 05:01:37 AM
Yes, I realize there are other short tracks as well. Bristol, Richmond, and Loudon all have dates for now. However I still feel the growth of the numbers of 1.5 mile speedways for new tracks has a detrimental effect on racing and each of the above races is vulnerable to having their dates snatched in favor of other tracks.
 
2007-02-16 06:31:35 AM
calm like a bomb


Seriously, what's with all the headlines that belong one tab to the right popping up under "Sports" recently?


What's with the dumbasses that keep posting the same crap in every nascar thread.

ZOMG LEFT TURNS 1TAB OVER
 
2007-02-16 08:26:16 AM
What_Would_Jimi_Do: gordon is from cali. so call him bi-sexual. any man with that amount of money would still obtain a piece of female ass occasionally. call it luck or fate.

I'm not a fan of the guy, as you could see in my Boobies about this incident, but this whole "Gordon is gay" thing is ridiculous. Ask anybody who covers NASCAR on a regular basis about this, and they'll tell you that Gordon gets more trim than a barbershop floor. Or maybe it's more accurate to say "got" more trim, since he's married again and has a baby on the way.
 
2007-02-16 09:28:35 AM
*The cookie-cutter 1.5-mile tracks- Dover, Atlanta- can suck a dick.

Dover is a high banked 1 mile over. It's no cookie cutter.
 
2007-02-16 10:33:26 AM
Daedalus27 I doubt Michael was involved directly in that. From what his fellow drivers describe him, he is more a pure driver rather than driver/mechanic.

If that's true I wouldn't trust him to change my tire.
 
2007-02-16 10:42:42 AM
Here's the difference between the Gordon incident and the others where crew chiefs were suspended and points docked: Gordon's car passed the initial inspection, the others did not. Whether the modification was intentional so that the struts lowered during the race, or it really was a shoddy installation that failed after contact remains to be seen.
 
2007-02-16 11:53:32 AM
ahwahoo2006: Whether the modification was intentional so that the struts lowered during the race, or it really was a shoddy installation that failed after contact remains to be seen.

True, but it's either a violation or it's not. NASCAR continues the conflicting signals by sending him to the back of the field in the 500 but not taking away any points or fining him anything. And Kahne's and Kenseth's infractions could also have been shoddy installation. (I don't think they were, but they could have been.)
 
2007-02-16 12:09:52 PM
Like I said, I really think it has to do with the timing of the discovery. Back of the field is definately a penalty, but like other sports, there are degrees, hence hoceky having minors, double minors, majors; soccer having yellow/red cards; etc.
 
2007-02-16 12:19:25 PM
A lot of people are missing the point- starting 42nd isn't that big of a deal at a plate track. Picking your pit box 42nd, however, is HUGE for someone who's favored to be contending for the win.
 
2007-02-16 02:36:57 PM
Dover is a high banked 1 mile over. It's no cookie cutter.

And yet... I still don't care about Dover.
 
2007-02-16 04:50:45 PM
the biggest redneck here, I don't think NAPA sells tires so I wouldn't trust him either.

ATostig
True, but it's either a violation or it's not. NASCAR continues the conflicting signals by sending him to the back of the field in the 500 but not taking away any points or fining him anything. And Kahne's and Kenseth's infractions could also have been shoddy installation. (I don't think they were, but they could have been.)


Thats exactly my point. Yes the inspectors cleared Gordon's car pre-race, but they cleared Kahne's and Kenseth's car pre-qualifying. Apparently Kahne's and Kenseth's cars had covers or plugs lightly placed so that during qualifying they fell off allowing air to flow where it shouldn't.

Now Gordon's issue was a parts malfunction, but maybe Kahne's and Kenseth's problems were a parts malfunction as well. There seems to be an issue of intent in the issuing of penalties and the view is Kahne's and Kenseth's malfunctions were deliberately caused where as Gordon's is viewed as an accidental. However if it gave an advantage (which a lower car certainly would be) then the penalties would seemingly need to be comperable.

There is a world of difference between starting back in the field (at a restrictor plate race) and being fined, suspended, and/or docked points. That is what raises my eyebrows. Maybe don't dock him points but a fine and suspension wouldn't be out of the question.
 
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