>>However, speaking well is one clear sign of intelligence."

Well thats a bunch of horsehshiat.

speaking well is a clear sign that you have the skill of speaking well.

It has nothig to do with intelligence.

It can make you sound smarter and make other peoole think you're smarter. but thats it.

Made me think of:

Whenever Colin Powell is on the news, white people give him the same compliments: 'How do you feel about Colin Powell?', 'He speaks so well! He's so well spoken. I mean he really speaks so well!' Like that's a compliment, shiat. 'He speaks so well' is not a compliment, okay? 'He speaks so well' is some sh*t you say about retarded people that can talk. What do you mean he speaks so well? He's a fuc*ing educated man! How the fark you expect him to sound, you dirty motherfarker? 'He speaks so well.' What are you talking about? What voice were you expecting to come out of his mouth? 'Imma drop me a bomb today', 'I be Pwez o dent!'."

He might have a chance if black people could vote.

/huh?

Epsilon: I like the guy and I think he's shaping up to be a great senator, but I just don't think he has a chance of winning the presidency this early in his political career. He ought to wait until 2012.

That's the biggest problem with Obama. The guy is very likeable and articulate, but just doesn't have the voting record yet. He's still a noob.

jjorsett: So why's Obama considered non-White? His father's Black and his mother is White, so he could be considered either. Unless you subscribe to the racist "one drop of Black blood" bullshiat, like Blackness is some sort of contaminant.

If you asked Obama personally whether he considers himself to be black or white what do you think he would say? White?

olddinosaur: Barack Obama is black, smokes cigarettes and a liberal. Therefore he is fit to be President and deserves the Democrat nomination.

Yeah, because those are his only qualifications.

olddinosaur: Walter Williams is black, smokes cigarettes, and a conservative. Therefore he is not fit to be President, so does not deserve the Republican nomination.

Walter Williams isn't fit to be President because he's coconut; he's also a guest host for drug-addled Rush Limbaugh.

Cheney/Jeb Bush 2008!

Only they can keep us safe from terrorists and terrorist sympathizers (aka Liberals and Democrats). They will also protect us from drugs. And the poor. And colored people. And make my stock prices increase. And bomb Muslims.

Or you can vote for Hillary or Obama and be prepared to be taxed at 90% so that you can babysit the people who don't work hard, while allowing terrorists to destroy every building in our country and approach Sharia law in every corner of the globe.

Your choice.

What is with Democrats and all these damn Senators? Where is the evidence of a lesson learned? (Can they learn?) Where are the governors at? You damned Senators sit down and let a Southern or Western Governor go for it. I'd vote for Bill Richardson, but not for these Senators.

Yeah, but his opponents are half-white and half-white, and can only be considered white. Therefore, he is black.

Uh ... what?

rapidbunny

Pick up those CDs off your floor. And get a haircut.

tonesskin owes me a new keyboard.

So why's Obama considered non-White? His father's Black and his mother is White, so he could be considered either. Unless you subscribe to the racist "one drop of Black blood" bullshiat, like Blackness is some sort of contaminant.

I'd argue it depends on his social identity. I am 1/2 [small ethnic group in the United States] and 1/2 Euro-mutt. I consider myself the first group because I grew up in that culture and that is what I identify with.

Does the Fark filter still keep me from refering to myself as a attractive and successful African-American?

/guess it does...

olddinosaur
Walter Williams is black, smokes cigarettes, and a conservative. Therefore he is not fit to be President, so does not deserve the Republican nomination.

Who said Walter Williams does not deserve to be nominated? And besides, isn't he a radio guy, Limbaugh fill-in, and WorldNutDaily columnist? I didn't know he was running.

c7hu1hu fh746n: Whenever Colin Powell is on the news, white people give him the same compliments: 'How do you feel about Colin Powell?', 'He speaks so well! He's so well spoken. I mean he really speaks so well!' Like that's a compliment, shiat. 'He speaks so well' is not a compliment, okay? 'He speaks so well' is some sh*t you say about retarded people that can talk. What do you mean he speaks so well? He's a fuc*ing educated man! How the fark you expect him to sound, you dirty motherfarker? 'He speaks so well.' What are you talking about? What voice were you expecting to come out of his mouth? 'Imma drop me a bomb today', 'I be Pwez o dent!'."

To be fair, I say the same thing about Tony Blair.

Especially during joint Blair-Bush press conferences. Man, those are painful to watch. Bush'd look better if he just said "yeah, what he said" to everything.

>>Uh ... what?

Simple. He's black compared to the other people running. That's how people think. They look at you and figure out how you're different from the other guy.

c7hu1hu fh746n

See, let the Democrat entitlement begin :)

c7hu1hu fh746n: Whenever Colin Powell is on the news, white people give him the same compliments: 'How do you feel about Colin Powell?', 'He speaks so well! He's so well spoken. I mean he really speaks so well!' Like that's a compliment, shiat. 'He speaks so well' is not a compliment, okay? 'He speaks so well' is some sh*t you say about retarded people that can talk. What do you mean he speaks so well? He's a fuc*ing educated man! How the fark you expect him to sound, you dirty motherfarker? 'He speaks so well.' What are you talking about? What voice were you expecting to come out of his mouth? 'Imma drop me a bomb today', 'I be Pwez o dent!'."

I'm not sure who you're quoting but this is such bunk. Yes, let's criticize white people even when they're complimenting black people.

I've often said Tony Blair is very articulate. I've often said Bush is not. Both are white. Colin Powell is articulate and was someone I looked up to before he 'took one for the team' trying to convince the UN to intervene in Iraq. Obama is also articulate. Both are black. Jessie Jackson is not articulate. He's also black.

Geez, who's really the racist?

12:09:39 PM Epsilon: If you asked Obama personally whether he considers himself to be black or white what do you think he would say? White?

Do we get to define what we are? In that case, despite my Norwegian ancestry, I consider myself Hispanic. Now I can qualify for government contract set-asides. Cool!

Goddamn, I want this guy to win badly.

And no Clinton on the ticket either.

/Obama/Edwards?

Abraham Lincoln had the same amount of experience when he entered the White House, almost exactly.

FTA:
...Lincoln's eight years in the state legislature and one term in the U.S. House of Representative compare rather precisely with Obama's legislative experience.

Quoting Chris Rock. Switch to decaf.

Hey, I have the perfect slogan!

"HITLERY CLITLESS 2008: YOU GOTTA VOTE FOR ANYONE WHO EATS P***Y BETTER THAN YOU DO!"

---------- or maybe: --------------

"CONDI FOR PRESIDENT 2008! FIRM LITTLE TITS AND A NICE TIGHT TUSHY, NOT TO MENTION A BETTER TAN THAN HITLERY!"

vulcatond You'd better hope she's not elected, or you are soooo gulag'ed.

If you asked Obama personally whether he considers himself to be black or white what do you think he would say? White?


Sorry but I don't vote for sissy non-war people and I will make sure that all of Georgia votes for a pro war supporter like Zell Miller should he run.

He's not black enough for the black vote and he's not white enough for the white vote. I suspect only people that want a Good president will vote for him.

But still, 300 pounds? That's a lot of benchpress for a dude his size.

Obama slapped me in the face once. And I thanked him.

olddinosaur: It says something about the system when the two people best qualified to serve refuse to run.

Condoleezza Rice is not fit to be President or Vice President. She's refusing to run for good reason - she seriously mishandled pre-9/11 intelligence and ignored input from Clarke and others. If anything, the domestic blame for 9/11 rests even more strongly on her shoulders than the President's.

Powell refuses to run because his wife is mentally ill, and a President can't afford that sort of distraction. Furthermore, she needs his care and attention, and the office of the Presidency is too stressful for him to leave her side.

Also, his complicity in the My Lai coverup, and his mistakes in the runup to Iraq would kill him.

MrToast: What is with Democrats and all these damn Senators?

He's not been in the Senate long enough for his record to really haunt him. Two negatives canceling each other out.

Cracker_monkey_in_a_cage: Well thats a bunch of horsehshiat.

speaking well is a clear sign that you have the skill of speaking well.

It has nothig to do with intelligence.

It can make you sound smarter and make other peoole think you're smarter. but thats it.

Spelling, grammar and punctuation are also signs of intelligence! Sorry for the troll.

Seriously though, speaking articulately is a definite sign of smarts. Natural language grammar is full of complex rules that make comprehension by the listener easier. Saying you can be a good speaker without being of average intelligence (or better) is nonsensical.

I believe you can be smart and be a crappy speaker, but W has not exhibited any particular intelligence.

For a counterexample, see Condaleeza Rice.

Somebody forgot to flip the troll switch from "chauvinist" to "racist".

olddinosaur: "HITLERY CLITLESS 2008: YOU GOTTA VOTE FOR ANYONE WHO EATS P***Y BETTER THAN YOU DO!"

Calling her "Hitlery" is sooooooo 1998

olddinosaur

that probably says more about the republican party than anything. they know who their audience is and how they'd feel about that.

steamingpile: A snowball in hell has a better shot than him, anyone that votes for him on that resume should have their right to voter revoked for simple stupidity.

What was Bush's resume like before he was chosen to be president? Plenty of experience and success, right?

EJObama slapped me in the face once. And I thanked him.


sounds like those Chuck Norris jokes

Republican fanatics can complain away but the next election belongs to the Democrats. Again, Democrats have to come and clean up all the dog crap the Republicans left lying around Washington, our country and this time, the globe. There is so much work to be done.

>>He's not been in the Senate long enough for his record to really haunt him. Two negatives canceling each other out.

If not for his Senate record, he's done what then?

"Vulcatond," you win the thread---and you owe me a new keyboard.

misanthropologist: What was Bush's resume like before he was chosen to be president? Plenty of experience and success, right?

And we have seen what a disaster that turned out to be.

olddinosaur
Found it on 4chan

Can anyone tell me Obama has actually done besides speak at the DNC because he was black and they need to make sure they got the black vote?

"But, but, but yehr black!"

/No way that's too obscure for Fark.

George Bush

There.

Now, doesn't that look pretty damn lame, veedeevadeevoodee ?

(Are you trying to convince this thread you are really 12 years old?)

Unfortunately I don't know enough information on where he stands with the issues that matter to me. It strikes me as a bit premature to discuss his worth as a President based solely on his race and his ability to express himself verbally.