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2007-02-10 02:48:16 PM
Lincoln had as much experience as Obama when he became president.
 
2007-02-10 02:48:36 PM
LocalCynic

You have to admit that, if the accusations about Bush's military record are true, then they're fair game. They don't just go to the question of whether he served or not, they point out that he pulled strings and/or shirked his job obligations. If true, it indicates that he was hardly a responsible, hard working person. The White House isn't for slackers.


Yes, exactly like Skeletor did when he got strings pulled.
 
2007-02-10 02:50:44 PM
Epsilon: If you asked Obama personally whether he considers himself to be black or white what do you think he would say? White?

You posed a very simple question. Obama's father is black, his mother is white, so which is he? I gave a simple answer. He is what he considers himself to be. But have you ever heard him call himself white?


You don't get to choose what your DNA says. He can identify himself as Chinese if he wants, but what he is is half and half.

/just ask that Japanese guy, Steven Seagal
 
2007-02-10 02:50:49 PM
I like him... I know some people are clamoring for a Washington insider, maybe another person who has a family lineage of doing nothing but poltics... I disagree though, he seems to understand the issues, and frankly, I'm sick of what the boomers are doing.
 
2007-02-10 02:51:23 PM
FlashLV

Sadida? Is that you?
It's just that the disgusting overuse of "LOL" seems so...familiar.

Anyway. I do think that Obama would have been much better off if he had waited to run. He has several years in the state senate and excellent academic qualifications, but with only two years at the federal level and no real voting record, it's difficult to foresee what we'd get if he were elected. On the one hand, this is problematic--but it's been suggested that the negatives cancel out (no voting record to haunt him). I can see this, and looking back at his policies from his state senate years, his proposed legislature (and enacted legislature), and the "Issues" section of his website, it's possible to gather enough information about his stances to make an informed choice.

That said, sometimes lack of ability to see the future is a good thing. With no set stances, who's to say that he'd constantly stick to one side? Personally, I find myself to be more of a Democratic sympathizer, but this is not to say that I demonize every single Republican policy. The distinction between parties is damn near impossible to see anymore, and we have this divide between "liberal" and "conservative" now that I fail to see why we don't just change the party names again. After all, even within parties people are only concerned about your L or C record.

I really hate politics, but those of you who come in here and say "What does Obama stand for?" are truly too lazy or ambivalent to Google that shiat, and have no purpose here but to make those of us who DO take that extra 15 seconds that much more fed up.
 
2007-02-10 02:51:57 PM
FlashLV: Yes, exactly like Skeletor did when he got strings pulled.

Skeletor is and will always be overshadowed by Hordak. And he probably did pull some strings. How could such a totally incompetent undead warlock get to be the right hand man of such an impressive supervillain?
 
2007-02-10 02:53:57 PM
Nice, LocalCynic...

Very good.
 
2007-02-10 02:54:36 PM
Lincoln had as much experience as Obama when he became president.

Actually, he had less in some technical sense. He served one term in the US House, and only 2 years as Senator before moving to the White House. But he helped build the new Republican party and was semi-famous for that at least, plus the debates and speeches. Yeah, but it's true he lost several elections and stayed out of politics for about 10 years.

Good example, though. I think we want a great person in the White House, not someone with a mile-long resume and no spine.
 
2007-02-10 02:55:25 PM
I have to see what the Republicans dig up, but I may just vote Dem if Obama runs. I really like him. I agree with him on a lot of policies - not all, but the ones I don't agree with I am willing to sacrifice to ensure other policies are implemented. His political resume is a bit thin, but all that means is that he hopefully hasn't had the chance to become too corrupt. He's a great orator, too, which will be a nice change from poor Bush.

Although if Hillary is VP, I may have second thoughts. It depends on how close the Senate is gonna be, hmm.
 
2007-02-10 02:57:59 PM
tomhath: In a discussion of presidential candidates (and especially candidates' backgrounds) you'll have to deal with references to Clinton. Mocking any mention of his name kind of tells everyone what you think of his accomplishments.

Clinton has been mentioned several times in this thread to no ill effect. It was the context of the Clinton reference - to claim "just because he sort of did it, that makes us good!" - that rendered it a b-b-b-but clinton.

FlashLV: I have no problem with killing murderers.

Do you also have a problem with a self-professed Christian - whose entire campaign was built on a holier-than-thou message - mocking someone coming to him begging for her life? I don't care if you're christian, buddhist, atheist, hindu, or zoroastrian - that is a sign of terrible character, and is not befitting the representative of the office of the Governor.
 
2007-02-10 03:02:04 PM
Atheist_Republican: I have to see what the Republicans dig up, but I may just vote Dem if Obama runs. I really like him. I agree with him on a lot of policies - not all, but the ones I don't agree with I am willing to sacrifice to ensure other policies are implemented. His political resume is a bit thin, but all that means is that he hopefully hasn't had the chance to become too corrupt. He's a great orator, too, which will be a nice change from poor Bush.

At the very least, you can rest assured that he respects you and is willing to listen, and to consider the entirety of your point of view.
 
2007-02-10 03:03:21 PM
Atheist_Republican:
 
Although if Hillary is VP, I may have second thoughts.


Pretty sure you won't have to worry about that happening.
 
2007-02-10 03:03:39 PM
captainktainer

That is something really nice about Obama's approach to campaigning. It's not ostensibly getting in bed with corporations for support, but reaching out to the people.

Makes us feel special.

/not being sarcastic at all
//it's a brilliant strategy
 
2007-02-10 03:04:55 PM
If you guys don't want him, we could use him as PM in Canada. :)
 
2007-02-10 03:05:42 PM
Obama is well qualified for the position. He has as much political experience as Abraham Lincoln did, when Lincoln decided to run for office.

Gore and Kerry are also, well qualified for the position, though I prefer Gore to Kerry. It would have been interesting to see what direction the country would have gone in, if Gore had won. Unfortunately, that is neither here, nor there. Bush won the elections and proceeded to make a mess of just about everything he had to deal with, or chose to get involved with.

Aside from good experience, Obama has good ideas. Ideas that are far more representative of people he will be representing. Obama will not be a mindless puppet serving outside interests who use that influence to shape Presidential policy.
 
2007-02-10 03:09:44 PM
"I know that I haven't spent a lot of time learning the ways of Washington. But I've been there long enough to know that the ways of Washington must change."

Yep, and electing another lawyer to the White House surely will help. Ah hell, who cares; those of us with farking brains already have noticed that regardless of the candidate or the party, we get fed the same crap leading up to November.

Osama Barak won't make any difference. The best we can hope is that whatever Democrat gets elected, he manages to go 4 years without choosing to engage us in a useless war.
 
2007-02-10 03:12:11 PM
Obama will not be a mindless puppet serving outside interests who use that influence to shape Presidential policy.

And that is why, unfortunately, he will not win.
 
2007-02-10 03:14:10 PM
duncanatrix

Anyway. I do think that Obama would have been much better off if he had waited to run.

While you may be right from a political perspective, he has no choice but to run now. He, and many people, realize that Hillary Clinton would probably be the worst candidate to be elected (excepting of course any other members of the Bush family). So, in the face of that possibility, he had to run because he truly cares about America.

Plus he's got a cool name. I think he should have that chef, Emeril announce him every time he steps out onto a stage, "And please welcome, everyone, Mr. Barack O-BAM-a!! Let's kick it up a notch!" Maybe add a little Rick Flair "woooo!" in there at the end. Hot damn, Karl Rove's got nuthin' on me!
 
2007-02-10 03:15:09 PM
sevenpointsixtwo: Yep, and electing another lawyer to the White House surely will help.

Civil Rights lawyers are not personal injury or criminal lawyers. They are intimately familiar with issues of constitutional law. Not all lawyers are made alike... as anyone who knows anything about the legal profession can tell you.
 
2007-02-10 03:16:31 PM
obama spouts classroom politics that sound like he means well, but in reality has as much of an america hater as any other democrat in congress.
 
2007-02-10 03:17:44 PM
sevenpointsixtwo: Osama Barak

Cheap. Not to mention weak.
 
2007-02-10 03:19:52 PM
Roy_G_Biv posted:

Hardly.


I understand that you're linking from somewhere else, and that these aren't your words... but lets' analyze the anti-Obama statements:

Obama favors abortion..

So... he favors allowing women to terminate their pregnancies in a safe, clean medical office rather than a back-alley with a coat hanger.

... socialized medicine..

So, he favors the system of medical care used in every industrialized democracy on the planet EXCEPT for the backwards one infested with fundies.

...and Affirmative Action.

So, he favors proactive measures against the effects of lingering racism, rather than hoping that it'll all sort itself out magically someday.

Obama sponsored a bill in the Illinois legislature requiring local police departments in Illinois to record the race of anyone stopped for questioning so that the data can be used to track the occurrence of racial profiling.

So, he wants to keep a tight leash of the Police who are supposed to be serving the citizenry, and to ensure that the public is not arbitraally abused by thier public servants.

He opposes a $2,000 tax credit for retirement...

So, he's fiscally conservative, and doesn't believe in just throwing tax money around willy-nilly to buy votes.

...and has voted against private gun ownership..

Sorry, that one looks like an outright lie. Gonna have to see a citation for that one.

(against) mandatory sentencing and the death penalty.

So, he believes that people shouldn't be locked away for 30 years for stealing a pack of gum as their "third strike", and he is against a practice considered "barbaric" in most of the industrialized democratic world.

During his tenure as a legislator, he abstained from voting about an abortion parental notification bill and on legislation that would keep pornographic video stores and strip clubs from within 1,000 feet of schools and churches.

So, despite being quite religious in his personal life, he doesn't feel it is the duty of the government to enforce religious moral codes upon the citizenry.

He has also voted against laws requiring students to complete suspensions before being transferred to other school districts.

So, he'd rather have students in class where they can recieve the guidance and help they need to become productive members of society, rather than sitting at home.

He abstained from legislation requiring adult prosecution for students who fire guns on school grounds.

So, he favors treating children as children... rather than the wierd-ass system of laws that would prosecute a 12 year old as an adult if she fired a gun... but would treat that same 12 year old as a child if she wanted an abortion.

He opposed legislation making it a criminal offense for accused gang members to associate with known gang members.

So, he favors the right of free association listed in the consitution, and doesn't believe in persecuting people merely based on "suspicion".

All in all... it sounds like this Obama guy is pretty darn cool.
 
2007-02-10 03:20:32 PM
FlashLV

Affirmative action is a big reason for racism in America IMHO.


You know, that's ironic. Because racism is the only reason for affirmative action. So basically, racism is a big reason for racism in America, IYHO.
 
2007-02-10 03:21:29 PM
the_gospel_of_thomas

">www.alamut.com

He never said it. There is no need to "deny" a false claim purported by the ravings of a partisan A*Hole like Doug Thompson.

And your journalist credentials come from...FARK?

Where's the HA Ha guy when you need him
 
2007-02-10 03:24:54 PM
Wow, this is amazing as hell. For a quick recap for those of you JUST joining:

FlashLV, TGOT: Ha ha, boy that Obama sure is black, but he has no qualifications.

sane people: No, he has qualifications. Here they are - *list*

FlashLV, TGOT: Ha ha, boy that Obama sure is black, but he has no qualifications.

sane people: No, seriously, he does. I just showed them to you.

FlashLV, TGOT: Ha ha, boy that Obama sure is black and SMILEY, but he has no qualifications.

sane people: *beat heads against wall*
 
2007-02-10 03:27:12 PM
FlashLV


the_gospel_of_thomas

I've always wondered why they do that also.


Because Clinton didn't set himself up as if he were Rambo incarnate. Your saviour, Shrub, did.
 
2007-02-10 03:28:53 PM
Satyagraha: And your journalist credentials come from...FARK?

They come from the American Enterprise Institute, the guys that pay him. (I kid! ...sort of. The silence after Nov. 8th is suspicious)

That does not change the fact that the ass nuggets from a diarrheic sheep's rear are more credible than Capitol Hill Blue.
 
2007-02-10 03:31:54 PM
Roy_G_Biv: His voting record certainly displays the ideology characteristic of an indulgent liberal. (Sorry, "Progressive.") ... During his tenure as a legislator, he abstained from voting about an abortion parental notification bill and on legislation that would keep pornographic video stores and strip clubs from within 1,000 feet of schools and churches. ... He abstained from legislation requiring adult prosecution for students who fire guns on school grounds.

"Abstained" is usually code for "wasn't there that day, as there was no important legislation that wasn't going to pass overwhelmnigly".

And honestly, the last one? Should we really be treating a six year old who brings one to show without knowing the consequences as an adult?
 
2007-02-10 03:33:07 PM
the_gospel_of_thomas: And the republican's response to Obama - Who Farking cares.

Yeah, look how not threatened all the Republicans are acting on this thread.
 
2007-02-10 03:35:09 PM
Meanwhile, at Klan headquarters...
 
2007-02-10 03:38:15 PM
DiamondDave: Yes, because speaking well is more important than anything.

A damn sight better than what the current guy can do, and his C.V. was outstanding, right?

1. Failed oil company in Texas
2. Bailed out of his National Guard commitment
3. Zero fiscal responsibility
4. Failed foreign policy
 
2007-02-10 03:38:49 PM
Barack Obama officially announces he fathered Anna Nicole Smith's baby

/more at 11
 
2007-02-10 03:40:17 PM
Stirring the pot like a witches brew:

I'm a republican versus a liberal, technically I am registered as an independent but have never found a major Democratic candidate I like, and in my world Obama = A helluva lot better than Hillary.

/flame on
//I'll get popcorn and watch the responses.
 
2007-02-10 03:41:12 PM
Here's the thing about Obama for me.

He's got just enough experience to be able to work in Washington; but hasn't been there long enough to become corrupted by a sense of entitlement.

In other words, he's new enough to be fresh, but not niave.

Hillary, McCain, Kerry, Edwards and Gore all seem to have in Washington far too long.
 
2007-02-10 03:43:50 PM
General Zang:

So...
So...
So...
So...
So...

All in all... it sounds like this Obama guy is pretty darn cool.


Maybe to someone who uses the screen name General Zang, but he's hardly a moderate, which was the original assertion.
 
2007-02-10 03:45:09 PM
infie: Editorials, the ACLU, Salon, The Cato Institute, The American Prospect, Human Rights Watch cited as "proof" to back up your silly hack job. You left only left out The UN, Noam Chomsky, Molly Ivins, PETA, Micheal Moore, DNC talking points and Chairman Mao.

Nope, no political agenda there.... All level headed independent thinkers right there. Nothing to see here.


So refute some of it.
 
2007-02-10 03:48:41 PM
stevedln15 said:

Stirring the pot like a witches brew:

I'm a republican versus a liberal, technically I am registered as an independent but have never found a major Democratic candidate I like, and in my world Obama = A helluva lot better than Hillary.

/flame on
//I'll get popcorn and watch the responses.


I'm a Liberal with a capital L.

I simply cannot, would not, shall not ever cast a vote for Hillary Clinton. For anything. Ever.

I don't trust her.

Obama looks like someone deserving of trust, and I'd vote for him.... but there are several people who'd I'd RATHER vote for for President than him.

Now... if Obama were in the VP slot of a ticket with anyone-other-than-Hillary, the election would almost be a slam dunk for the Democrats.
 
2007-02-10 03:51:26 PM
I enjoyed the author on The Colbert Report the other day who insisted Obama is not black because he was not born to parents descended from slaves. wtf?!

That cracks me up. Please, pick the black color from the crayon box.

Thank you. Now STFU author!
 
2007-02-10 03:51:29 PM
eldezod thank you for the summary :-)

This thread pretty well accents the problem with American democracy.... too few sane people, too many ranters and extremists.

/prefers solving problems
 
2007-02-10 03:52:34 PM
General Zang

I agree with your post 100%.
 
2007-02-10 03:56:43 PM
I have the end all solution to this problem. Everyone on the left simply vote for the D candidate and everyone else for the R one! That way we don't have to worry about pesky things such as accomplishments and how they stand on issues, only whether or not to spam "Suck it, Libs" or "Suck it, Cons".
 
2007-02-10 03:58:41 PM
I like Obama and would vote for him unless the Reps come up with a much better candidate.

That said, with all his law credentials, I think he would better serve the country as a Supreme Court justice.
 
2007-02-10 03:59:56 PM
Roy_G_Biv said:

Maybe to someone who uses the screen name General Zang, but he's hardly a moderate, which was the original assertion.


I beg to differ.

Obama's positions are those of a moderate, if viewed from the perspective of most industrialized democracies on this planet. Indeed... even if viewed from the pre-Bush political spectrum within the United States.

Now, in 2007 America, when the Republicans have been running as fast as their little feet will carry them towards the extreme right wing, he might appear to be way out on the Left... but that's simply an illusion created by the Republicans' efforts to court the only large-scale populist base that they have remaining to them.

If one defines a "moderate" as being someone who positions themselves half-way between Conservative "Democrats" like Lieberman and the all-but-Fascist right-wing folks like the presenters at Fox News... then no, Obama is not a "moderate" of that type.

If however, one uses the old-school definition of Moderate, then Obama is clearly a Moderate.
 
2007-02-10 04:00:39 PM
General Zang: Obama looks like someone deserving of trust, and I'd vote for him.... but there are several people who'd I'd RATHER vote for for President than him.

I don't know. Black, former Moslem, Lincoln incarnate's relation with the media concerns me even more than the Satanic rituals performed by Hillary. Is it really healthy for the United States to have a candidate for the Presidency enjoying such a favorable stance with the fourth branch of government check and balance?
 
2007-02-10 04:04:50 PM
captainktainer

Do you also have a problem with a self-professed Christian - whose entire campaign was built on a holier-than-thou message - mocking someone coming to him begging for her life? I don't care if you're christian, buddhist, atheist, hindu, or zoroastrian - that is a sign of terrible character, and is not befitting the representative of the office of the Governor.


If they were a murdered I don't give a shiate if they are butt-raped in prison on a daily basis.
 
2007-02-10 04:05:11 PM
Comrade438
I don't know. Black, former Moslem, Lincoln incarnate's relation with the media concerns me even more than the Satanic rituals performed by Hillary. Is it really healthy for the United States to have a candidate for the Presidency enjoying such a favorable stance with the fourth branch of government check and balance?

Didn't you vote for the former pagan faux cowboy "everyman" 6 years ago?
 
2007-02-10 04:05:58 PM
General Zang: If however, one uses the old-school European definition of Moderate, then Obama is clearly a Moderate.

Good thing we're electing the President of the United States, not of some joint European-American bloc. 'Cause I'm afraid the quickest way to lose might just be asserting, "He's moderate by socialist Europe's standards." Just sayin', though I find it humorous you've somehow awarded Europe the crown as apogee of political development.
 
2007-02-10 04:07:03 PM
eldezod

Obviously you are not the sane group in your example. Which group are you in?

What you did was lie about what we said. Can you argue or make a point without lying?
 
2007-02-10 04:07:35 PM
Vet_Curm: Didn't you vote for the former pagan faux cowboy "everyman" 6 years ago?

Pagan would imply he has not accepted the world of the Lord. Though I concur the Lutherans to be heretical and near heathens themselves, that language is a bit much.
 
2007-02-10 04:08:22 PM
General Zang:"I'm a Liberal with a capital L.

I simply cannot, would not, shall not ever cast a vote for Hillary Clinton. For anything. Ever."


Same here.

Not in a million years.
 
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