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2007-02-10 02:21:56 PM
has anyone said anything about hitler yet?
 
2007-02-10 02:22:17 PM
the_gospel_of_thomas

Black, and smiles? Well, that's him.

Plus - he's got the added bonus of being able to run on his race, and if you oppose him .... you're racist. Woot.


That is what you guys want to believe. It sounds good on Conservative Talk Radio Shows.
 
2007-02-10 02:22:22 PM
barneyfifesbullet: Just because he's Oprah's Candidate™ doesn't make him qualified for the job.

And just because he's attractive and charismatic doesn't mean that he isn't probably the smartest dude running for the office right now.
 
2007-02-10 02:22:23 PM
FlashLV: He was the Republican running, is that okay?

I mean, at least your honest that "not qualified" really means "not Republican."
 
2007-02-10 02:23:17 PM
LocalCynic

Would you care to describe your "disorderly conduct?"

Ahhhhh, fine.

I was 20, at the Beah nightclub in Vegas, where I live. I had an ID, my friend and I got it with his info at the DMV.

I was in the club, a bouncer was sweeping and running into me with the broom, I moved he followed, I asked him "what the fark is your problem", he told me to tuck my shirt in I walked towards the door and flipped him off.

I was tackled and assaulted. 4 bouncers went to jail, 1 was in jail for 60 days for aggrevated assault for choking me while in handcuffs, I got a nice settlement, and charged with Disorderly and in court charges were dropped for first offence.

I could email all the details, but it was a stupid time in my life. Many of you would say now is lol
 
2007-02-10 02:23:55 PM

But let's see if Obama can out do Bush's Presidential record, it's a tall order!


POLITICAL RECORD (DOMESTIC)




I ran for President in 2000. My campaign was destined to be a miserable failure until I used a whispering campaign of lies in the South Carolina Presidential Primary organized by my chief political strategist, Karl Rove, to destroy genuine war hero and fellow Republican John McCain, claiming he had fathered an illegitimate negro child was emotionally unstable due to his torture as a POW in Vietnam and a possible brainwashed Manchurian Candidate.


In July 2001 I appointed Harvey Pitt to be the chairman of a "kinder, gentler SEC" to ease regulation of foreign businesses. The results have been the largest and most miserable failures of corporate accountability in modern corporate history: Enron, Worldcom, and now Fannie Mae.

I am the first President to unconstitutionally restrict my opponents' First Amendment rights by allowing my supporters to remain at the venue while restricting my detractors to "free speech zones," fenced-off areas up to half mile away from the media, the audience, and especially myself.

I've communicated less with the American people than any other president in the history of televised news, holding only one White House press conference every 3.25 months, compared to my father's 1.6 per month.

To prevent activist judges from rewriting the constitution to serve an agenda that Congress would never approve, I attempted to rewrite the constitution to serve an agenda they never came close to approving. My campaign for the Federal Marriage Amendment was a miserable failure: it failed to pass either house of congress. In the Senate the cloture call to end debate yielded only 48 votes, not the 67 required to pass the Senate, not the 60 votes required for cloture, not even the 50 votes of a simple majority.

My 2004 budget set the record for the largest deficit in history: either $477 billion or $521 billion (CBO and OMB numbers, respectively).

The value of the dollar has collapsed 30% during my term.

Nearly every major economic indicator has deteriorated since I took office in January 2001. Real GDP growth during my term is the lowest of any presidential term in recent memory. Total non-farm employment has contracted and the unemployment rate has increased. Bankruptcies are up sharply, as is our dependence on foreign capital to finance an exploding current account deficit. All three major stock indexes are lower now than at the time of my inauguration. The percentage of Americans in poverty has increased, real median income has declined, and income inequality has grown.


POLITICAL EXPERIENCE (FOREIGN)


As president I ignored Clinton's warnings about Al Qaeda, mentioning that organization only once in public statements on national security between January 20, 2001 and September 10, 2001. In the same time period I mentioned Saddam Hussein 104 times and missile defense 101 times.

On August 6, 2001 I received a briefing titled "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States" which warned that "the FBI indicates patterns of suspicious activity in the United States consistent with preparations for hijacking." For one month I dealt with numerous other issues until the unfolding of the most successful terrorist attack in US history on September 11, 2001.

With broad international approval I temporarily disrupted the Taliban government, which has now re-emerged to control much of southern Afghanistan after I abandoned this campaign for Iraq.

I campaigned strongly for war in Iraq. I claimed that:


Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction (none have been found).


Iraq had ties to Al Qaeda (Iraq opposed Al Qaeda and successfully kept their operatives out of the country before September 2001. The strongest claim to support a connection came from Czech intelligence services and is now retracted. The 9/11 commission "did not believe that such a meeting occurred".)


Iraq would give their weapons of mass destruction to terrorists (A secular Saddam would never give his "ace card" to religious elements he opposed throughout his life and could not control)


The war would be "self-financing" through oil sales ($200 billion total has been allocated, and $138 billion has already been spent with more to follow).


The war would end quickly, with troop deployments down to 30,000 troops by Autumn 2003 (March 2004 troop deployment: 114,000 US plus 23,000 Coalition troops in Iraq; 26,000 US and Coalition logistical support troops in Kuwait).


Americans would be greeted as liberators (Public perception of Americans as liberators dropped from 43% at the time of invasion to 2% after Abu Ghraib).

By invading I would make it more difficult for terrorists to obtain Weapons of Mass Destruction (The only WMD 'discovered' in Iraq was successfully obtained by terrorists and used against Americans. As a result of the invasion, nuclear equipment and materials in Iraq formerly monitored by the IAEA has disappeared and may have fallen into the hands of terrorists or rogue countries. The results have been overwhelmingly negative for U.S. interests.)


I punished those who spoke unwelcome truth:


I sent Joseph Wilson to Africa in February 2002 to investigate claims that Iraq had attempted to purchase uranium, where Wilson determined that those claims were based on forged documents. Despite his report I continued to make public Iraq/Nigeria statements as late as January 2003. When Wilson publicly contradicted me, one of my senior officials exposed the CIA cover of Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, in an article written by Robert Novak and printed in the New York Times on July 14 2003. No one is sure which senior White House official leaked the order or who was aware, but the fact that I hired James Sharp in June 2004 to represent me as a personal criminal defense attorney is significant when you consider that there is no attorney-client privilege between a president and a White House counsel that allows the counsel to withhold information from a Federal grand jury.

I fired Lawrence Lindsey as my economics advisor in early December 2002 for claiming that the Iraq War would cost between $100 and $200 billion. ($138 billion has been spent and $200 billion has been budgeted... so far)


I fired Jay Garner as US Administrator of Iraq in March 2004 for calling for immediate elections instead of allowing American companies to privatize government-owned assets. (American privatization and lack of a legitimate Iraqi government is one of the major reasons for unrest in Iraq.)


I made US Army Chief of Staff General Eric Shinseki a lame duck in June 2003, defying precedent and announcing his successor 14 months in advance of his retirement after he announced that "several hundred thousand troops would be needed in postwar Iraq".

I threatened to have Medicare analyst Richard Foster fired if he replied to Congressional requests and reported that the Medicare Prescription Drug Bill would cost $551 billion, $156 billion over the White House's favored estimate of $395 billion.


After the Iraq Health Ministry released figures showing that US and Coalition forces killed twice as many Iraqis as the Insurgents the Iraqis are supposedly being protected from, I acted decisively by ordering the Iraq Health Ministry to not release any more figures.


I rewarded those who spoke welcome lies, paying Ahmed Chalabi and the Iraqi National Congress $340,000 per month for their false intelligence gathered about Iraq. Although Chalabi and the INC had been dropped from the CIA payroll in 1996 for being an unreliable source and also dismissed by the DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) for the same reason, I continued to use Chalabi and the INC to support claims of WMDs in Iraq. Even after their information proved false and no weapons were found I remained so close to Chalabi that he sat with Laura Bush as my "Special Guest" during my September 2003 State of the Union address. I continued to pay the INC regularly until May 2004, when allegations surfaced that Chalabi had passed classified American intelligence to Iran.

I put tremendous pressure on the CIA to come up with information to support policies that have already been adopted (as determined by the Senate Report of Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq). When the CIA and DIA refused to verify intelligence items I wanted to believe, Donald Rumsfeld and I created the Office of Special Plans. This independent department within the Pentagon was designed to bypass the CIA and feed the discredited and unreliable information I wanted to believe was true back into the intelligence stream in order to support conclusions that the CIA and DIA could not. The OSP took much of the discredited information from Chalabi and the Iraqi National Congress.

I opposed the creation of the Department of Homeland Security for nine months, before turning around to take credit for its creation.

I opposed the creation of an independent 9/11 panel. After being forced to accept the commission, I gave it only $12 million in funding to do its work (compared to $50 million combined for Whitewater and the Monica Lewinsky investigation) before turning around to take credit for its creation.

My war against Al Qaeda has been a miserable failure:


The International Institute for Strategic Studies' most conservative estimate (May 25, 2004) is that the occupation of Iraq has helped Al Qaeda recruit 18,000 operatives in more than 60 countries.

The Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies at Tel Aviv University has found that The war in Iraq did not damage international terror groups, but instead distracted the United States from confronting other hotbeds of Islamic militancy and actually "created momentum" for many terrorists. On a strategic level as well as an operational level, the war in Iraq is hurting the war on international terrorism.

By my State Department's own estimates, world terror attacks are now at their highest level in 20 years, up 36% since 2001.


I have held 660 prisoners in Guantanamo, Cuba for over two years without trial or formal charge. My prisoners, several of whom were between the ages of 13 and 16, have never been formally charged. They are kept in steel cages, subjected to ongoing torture, and denied access to legal counsel in opposition to Supreme Court rulings (Rasul v. Bush). These prisoners are "the worst of the worst", "hard core, well trained terrorists" and their guilt is beyond doubt, which is why I've set 87 of them free without explanation or apology.

In the past year I claim to have trained 100,000 Iraqi police forces, but only 8,169 of those have passed the required 8-week training course. Another 46,176 are listed as "untrained".

My Secretary of Defense is the first in US history to have acknowledged ordering an intentional violation of the Geneva Conventions, in which Abu Ghraib prisoners were held "off the books" and hidden from the Red Cross. When this order was made public I refused to discipline him in any way, instead complimenting him on his job performance.

After being informed of abuses at Abu Ghraib on January 16 (first reported on January 13) which included "Threatening male detainees with rape" and "Sodomizinga detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick" I made "freedom from torture chambers and rape rooms" a centerpiece in my speeches until April 29 when the story finally broke on 60 Minutes II.

My administration is the first since the Civil War to imprison US Citizens (Jose Padilla) as "enemy combatants" without charges, trial, or access to legal counsel. In a 5-4 decision (Rumsfeld v. Padilla) the Supreme Court dodged the opportunity to rule on the legality, ruling that the case had been improperly filed.

My administration broke new legal ground by using material witness warrants to give effective life sentences to US citizens without charge, trial, access to legal counsel, or even plans to prosecute.

My justice department was the first in US history to attempt to enforce federal regulations while refusing to disclose what those regulations are.

My legal war against terror has been a miserable failure: I have detained more than 5,000 people on suspicion of terrorist ties, some of whom have been held without charge or without access to a lawyer. I have successfully convicted zero.
 
2007-02-10 02:25:07 PM
captainktainer: doesn't mean that he isn't probably the smartest dude running for the office right now

Based on what, exactly? He gives a good speech?

Please.
 
2007-02-10 02:25:10 PM
Fark It

Plus he was the Governor of Texas.

And Texas still hasn't recovered. He did execute a couple of tards though.


He executed them, or the courts and a jury did?
 
2007-02-10 02:25:23 PM
The Bruce is an ass
 
2007-02-10 02:25:41 PM
Barrack definately has my vote
 
2007-02-10 02:26:53 PM
The Bruce Dickinson: But let's see if Obama can out do Bush's Presidential record

Pretty much anyone here can do a better job than Bush has.
 
2007-02-10 02:27:02 PM
LocalCynic

I mean, at least your honest that "not qualified" really means "not Republican."


I try to be honest.

But if it was Cheyney up for election, I would vote independant.
 
2007-02-10 02:27:54 PM
I've communicated less with the American people than any other president in the history of televised news, holding only one White House press conference every 3.25 months, compared to my father's 1.6 per month.

Thank God for that! Hearing Bush speak is a painful experience.
 
2007-02-10 02:29:02 PM
I really don't understand the criticisms of his "resume". If a 45 years old, Harvard law grad, elected Senator isn't good enough, then why the hell did 19% of the country vote for a billionaire nutbag with no political experience, in the general election? Why did Jesse Jackson win 1/3 of the primary electors in 1984, with no elected office experience?

I think I'll take someone younger and with a "weaker" resume than someone older, "wiser", say a war hero and POW, with decades in the Senate, but that someone has absolutely no conviction.
 
2007-02-10 02:30:08 PM
www.landstewardshipproject.org
WWWD?
 
2007-02-10 02:30:09 PM
FlashLV:

The Bruce Dickinson
Arrested and charged with disorderly conduct in New Haven, CT in December 1966 (p20) for stealing a christmas tree while drunk
You don't see the comedy in that? It shows he's lived. I was arrested for disorderly conduct and posession of a fake ID when I was 20, at the Beach in LV. Does that make me a bad person lol.
MILITARY EXPERIENCE:
Does that matter because Clinton avoided it all together.
Bush was in the military.



I've always found it amusing that the party that voted for Clinton twice, when he loathed the military and dodged the draft .... and then all of a sudden - are so upset that Bush joined the national guard and didn't go to vietnam.
 
2007-02-10 02:30:53 PM
FlashLV

Nobody's going to call you a bad person for that unless they're a jack off or a political operative. Just about everybody has bad days. Getting drunk and stealing a Christmas tree (in Bush's case) shows poor judgment, but most people will say "he was young and dumb." But when you combine that with other poor choices he made, it paints a picture of a guy from a well to do family who was groomed for success but was kind of a putz. It's like the story about him blatantly insulting the Queen of England. That doesn't make the guy seem "folky" to me, it makes him seem flippant and lacking direction.
 
2007-02-10 02:31:16 PM
barneyfifesbullet Pretty much anyone here can do a better job than Bush has.

A ham-and-swiss sandwich on moldy rye bread could do a better job.
 
2007-02-10 02:31:36 PM
the_gospel_of_thomas

I've always wondered why they do that also.
 
2007-02-10 02:31:58 PM
If he gets the nomination, I'll vote for him.

/and volunteer
 
2007-02-10 02:32:01 PM
I believe this thread has left any discussion of Barack Obama's merits/demerits for a rather vigorous, partisan flamewar. Of course, maybe that is what it was always meant to be.

/should i flame, or should i argue?
//maybe i'll inject a good dose of marxism into the thread, to liven it up a bit
 
2007-02-10 02:33:40 PM
LocalCynic

I look at it as the lesser of 2 evils with Bush. I don't agree with everything he does, and I know he's made bad decisions, but all presidents do, IMHO.
 
2007-02-10 02:34:02 PM
barneyfifesbullet: Based on what, exactly? He gives a good speech?

Based on the fact that:
1) He gives a good speech - and writes his own speeches, something almost no modern President has.
2) He's an excellent writer - his book The Audacity of Hope has been praised by left and right as one of the best political "memoirs" written in America
3) His long history as a professor of Constitutional law at a highly respected institution - giving him a knowledge of the Constitution rivaling that of his seniors
4) Becoming editor of the Harvard Law Review is a really freaking big deal - becoming one of the most respected editors in recent memory is a bigger one. To reach that position you have to have an incredibly sharp mind and excellent diplomatic skills
5) The quality of his legislation - such as Lugar-Obama, Coburn-Obama, and the stuff that came out of the Illinois State Senate - is widely hailed as being exceptional.

These are all good signs of that, yes.
 
2007-02-10 02:35:03 PM
the_gospel_of_thomas: I've always found it amusing that the party that voted for Clinton twice, when he loathed the military and dodged the draft .... and then all of a sudden - are so upset that Bush joined the national guard and didn't go to vietnam.

Maybe you forgot this:

CLINTON: You even brought some right-wing congressman into the White House to plot how to attack me for going to Russia in 1969-70, when over 50,000 other Americans did. Now, I honor your service in World War II, I honor Mr. Perot's service in uniform and the service of every man and woman who ever served, including Admiral Crowe, who was your Chairman of the joint Chiefs and who's supporting me. But when Joe McCarthy went around this country attacking people's patriotism he was wrong. He was wrong. And a senator from Connecticut stood up to him named Prescott Bush. Your father was right to stand up to Joe McCarthy, you were wrong to attack my patriotism. I was opposed to the war but I loved my country and we need a president who will bring this country together, not divide it. We've had enough division. I want to lead a unified country.
 
2007-02-10 02:35:36 PM
the_gospel_of_thomas

I've always found it amusing that the party that voted for Clinton twice, when he loathed the military and dodged the draft .... and then all of a sudden - are so upset that Bush joined the national guard and didn't go to vietnam.

I always wondered why the GOP demonized and mocked the combat records of political rivals. That was really disgusting.
 
2007-02-10 02:35:46 PM
Aesc2525

Fark political threads are nothing but flames of the other side and each side accusing the other of being trolls or being stupid.


It's also for people who can't take it to report people to get them banned.
 
2007-02-10 02:36:02 PM
FlashLV: He executed them, or the courts and a jury did?

The courts and a jury did, but as the Governor has clemency authority, he holds legal and moral responsibility. Also, he specifically denied the petition of and mocked publically several penitents, rendering him not only responsible for their deaths, but also responsible for cheapening his office.
 
2007-02-10 02:36:24 PM
President Raygun


"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"


From the original story:

Last month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the controversial USA Patriot Act.

Several provisions of the act, passed in the shell shocked period immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, caused enough anger that liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties Union had joined forces with prominent conservatives like Phyllis Schlafly and Bob Barr to oppose renewal.

GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.

"I don't give a goddamn," Bush retorted. "I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."

"Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"

I've heard from two White House sources who claim they heard from others present in the meeting that the President of the United States called the Constitution "a goddamned piece of paper."


http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml

I have yet to see a retraction or a denial from the White House.
Imagine if you would, a democrat saying those words.
But respecting the constitution is so pre 9/11.
After all, Democracy is messy
 
2007-02-10 02:36:40 PM
Aesc2525
I believe this thread has left any discussion of Barack Obama's merits/demerits for a rather vigorous, partisan flamewar. Of course, maybe that is what it was always meant to be.

You have to admit it is humorous to see all the people that would never vote for him under any circumstances talk about how poor a candidate he is.
 
2007-02-10 02:37:31 PM
Attention conservatroll retards:

Bush did not run against Clinton. Bush ran against Al Gore and John Kerry, both of whom served in Vietnam despite being opposed to the war.

Also, guess what, not everyone who voted for Gore or Kerry voted for Clinton.
 
2007-02-10 02:38:06 PM
Sunny Ray

I always wondered why the GOP demonized and mocked the combat records of political rivals. That was really disgusting.



And I've always wondered why the Democrats demonized and mocked the military training of political rivals. That was really disgusting and obtuse of them for giving half the truth.
 
2007-02-10 02:38:06 PM
the_gospel_of_thomas
I've always found it amusing that the party that voted for Clinton twice, when he loathed the military and dodged the draft .... and then all of a sudden - are so upset that Bush joined the national guard and didn't go to vietnam.

The real funny part is the people who freaked out about Clinton not going complacently accept that Bush didn't. The people who are making a stink about it now are pointing that out, not the fact that he didn't go.
 
2007-02-10 02:39:13 PM
captainktainer

The courts and a jury did, but as the Governor has clemency authority, he holds legal and moral responsibility. Also, he specifically denied the petition of and mocked publically several penitents, rendering him not only responsible for their deaths, but also responsible for cheapening his office.


Kind of like when Clinton pardoned Mark Rich, huh?
 
2007-02-10 02:39:33 PM
The Bruce

Editorials, the ACLU, Salon, The Cato Institute, The American Prospect, Human Rights Watch cited as "proof" to back up your silly hack job. You left only left out The UN, Noam Chomsky, Molly Ivins, PETA, Micheal Moore, DNC talking points and Chairman Mao.

Nope, no political agenda there.... All level headed independent thinkers right there. Nothing to see here.
 
2007-02-10 02:40:38 PM
I always wondered why the GOP demonized and mocked the combat records of political rivals. That was really disgusting.

Yep. Here is your 2004 GOP convention:

www.projo.com

I wonder why the record of Iraq war vets turned politicians is running about 10:1 Democrats:Republicans ?? Hmmmm.....
 
2007-02-10 02:40:56 PM
The Importance of Speaking Well:

Some older Farkers and some who study political history will know this, some may need to learn this.

Most informed observers agree that during the 1960 Nixon/Kennedy debates Nixon actually won those debates in terms of providing concise arguments and valid points. But Kennedy came off as more articulate and simply did a better job of presenting his arguments.

Nixon gave off a "sweaty palms" vibe that voters didn't dig on, no matter how good his case was.

Also Obama comes off as less of an "insider" than any major hopefull and the one bipartisan current that seems to be a constant is Americans don't like politicians. Whoever seems the least like one improves his own odds.

Of course as has been pointed out repeatedly, the guys middle name is Hussein so he's FARKed. Hillary has a vagina, so she's FARKed too.
 
2007-02-10 02:41:02 PM
the_gospel_of_thomas: I've always found it amusing that the party that voted for Clinton twice, when he loathed the military and dodged the draft .... and then all of a sudden - are so upset that Bush joined the national guard and didn't go to vietnam.

Because he didn't make shiat up to get us into a clusterfark of a war?

captainktainer: he holds legal and moral responsibility.

Retract the legal. I don't know enough about the case law to say this.

Satyagraha: I have yet to see a retraction or a denial from the White House.

Generally because getting a denial from the White House on a Capitol Hill Blue story is like getting a denial from the Pentagon on a Weekly World News story, except that occasionally the Weekly World News prints something that's true just to shake things up.

/I may be a Democrat by registration, but that doesn't mean that everything that attacks Bush is automatically credible
 
2007-02-10 02:43:15 PM
FlashLV

And I've always wondered why the Democrats demonized and mocked the military training of political rivals. That was really disgusting and obtuse of them for giving half the truth.

I assuming that you are primarily speaking of President Bushiathink if President Bush had actually shown up for all of his assignments and transfers, then the attacks on him would probably be unfair. I guess he did go to the dentists one time.
 
2007-02-10 02:43:31 PM
FlashLV: Kind of like when Clinton pardoned Mark Rich, huh?

Nobody died with respect to Mark Rich, and Clinton didn't mock the people whom he didn't grant clemency or a pardon to. Beyond that, Mark Rich is irrelevant.
 
2007-02-10 02:43:41 PM
FlashLV: And I've always wondered why the Democrats demonized and mocked the military training of political rivals. That was really disgusting and obtuse of them for giving half the truth.

You have to admit that, if the accusations about Bush's military record are true, then they're fair game. They don't just go to the question of whether he served or not, they point out that he pulled strings and/or shirked his job obligations. If true, it indicates that he was hardly a responsible, hard working person. The White House isn't for slackers.
 
2007-02-10 02:44:35 PM
LocalCynic: CLINTON: 'I was opposed to the war but I loved my country and we need a president who will bring this country together, not divide it. We've had enough division. I want to lead a unified country.'

John Kerry, Thursday, February 27, 1992; 'We do not need to divide America over who served and how. I have personally always believed that many served in many different ways. ... We do not need more division. We certainly do not need something as complex and emotional as Vietnam reduced to simple campaign rhetoric. What has been said has been said, Mr. President, but I hope and pray we will put it behind us and go forward in a constructive spirit for the good of our party and the good of our country.


Liberal Farkers: George Bush got out of vietnam, I saw Dan Rather expose it all on the CBS News!!!!!(one)!
 
2007-02-10 02:44:59 PM
Sunny Ray

That piece of rice must have hurt real bad.
 
2007-02-10 02:45:30 PM
Somacandra: Mr. Obama is described by GOP colleagues as a pragmatic left-of-center moderate.

Hardly.

His voting record certainly displays the ideology characteristic of an indulgent liberal. (Sorry, "Progressive.") Obama favors abortion, socialized medicine, and Affirmative Action. Obama sponsored a bill in the Illinois legislature requiring local police departments in Illinois to record the race of anyone stopped for questioning so that the data can be used to track the occurrence of racial profiling. He opposes a $2,000 tax credit for retirement and has voted against private gun ownership, mandatory sentencing and the death penalty. During his tenure as a legislator, he abstained from voting about an abortion parental notification bill and on legislation that would keep pornographic video stores and strip clubs from within 1,000 feet of schools and churches. He has also voted against laws requiring students to complete suspensions before being transferred to other school districts. He abstained from legislation requiring adult prosecution for students who fire guns on school grounds. He opposed legislation making it a criminal offense for accused gang members to associate with known gang members.
 
2007-02-10 02:46:13 PM
captainktainer

Nobody died with respect to Mark Rich, and Clinton didn't mock the people whom he didn't grant clemency or a pardon to. Beyond that, Mark Rich is irrelevant.


Except for this part: but also responsible for cheapening his office.


 
2007-02-10 02:46:26 PM
andbruno said:

That's something that's always pissed me off. The one-drop=black rule basically separates the "pure" whites, and the "contaminated" blacks, and is bs. It's a slippery slope, because where do you draw the line? Who decides?


Race is largely a social construct.

There are minor differences in genetics (such as prevalence of certain blood types in certain groups), but Humans have very little genetic diversity when compared to other primates.

However, most people don't carry around a genetic testing lab in their pocket, so that they can analyze and trace someone's genetic markers.... so they simply make arbitrary judgements based on Phenotype, using their eyeballs.

Using the eyeball test, Obama clearly has ancestors who are of African origin. It's written on his face.

Is it arbitrary? Sure.

Nobody calls Jessica Alba "Asian", even though she's 1/4th Indonesian... and few people identity Kristen Kruek primarally as "Asian" even though she's 1/2 Chinese.

Why? Because they pass the "eyeball" test for inclusion in the completely arbitrary "White" category.

I thought everyone knew all this by the time they got through 3rd grade.

;)
 
2007-02-10 02:46:26 PM
the_gospel_of_thomas: Liberal Farkers: George Bush got out of vietnam, I saw Dan Rather expose it all on the CBS News!!!!!(one)!

Conservative Farkers: Dan Rather is a political hack, I saw the political operative who set Rather up post the proof on Free Republic and Powerline before the show aired!!!!(one)!
 
2007-02-10 02:46:41 PM
Satyagraha: I have yet to see a retraction or a denial from the White House.

He never said it. There is no need to "deny" a false claim purported by the ravings of a partisan A*Hole like Doug Thompson.
 
2007-02-10 02:46:59 PM
jjorsett: So why's Obama considered non-White? His father's Black and his mother is White, so he could be considered either. Unless you subscribe to the racist "one drop of Black blood" bullshiat, like Blackness is some sort of contaminant.

Seconded. Halle Berry, Rick Fox, Obama...all exactly as white as black at 50 % In fact, since the average american black has more white ancestors than the average american white has black ancestors, you could argue that anyone who has one parent of each likely has more white ancestors than black and is more than 50 percent white.
 
2007-02-10 02:47:07 PM
captainktainer

Nobody died with respect to Mark Rich, and Clinton didn't mock the people whom he didn't grant clemency or a pardon to. Beyond that, Mark Rich is irrelevant.


I have no problem with killing murderers.
 
2007-02-10 02:47:35 PM
captainktainer
Yep... there's the B-B-B-BUT CLINTON. We'd gone a near-record amount of time without it, too.

In a discussion of presidential candidates (and especially candidates' backgrounds) you'll have to deal with references to Clinton. Mocking any mention of his name kind of tells everyone what you think of his accomplishments.

It is if you carve out a leadership position for yourself. I would also point out that all of the Presidents you mentioned, save Ford and Kennedy, had a seriously rocky relationship with Congress, to the point that vital legislation was delayed or died.

Well, actually I didn't mention Ford because he was never elected. And I don't agree that Kennedy or Ford were able to get all their "vital legislation" through whenever they wanted; the system is built around checks and balances.

Probably the best at getting legislation through was Johnson due to all the years he spent in the House and Senate; but obviously the Vietnam mess he inherited from Kennedy brought him down.
 
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