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2007-02-10 01:54:51 PM
Vet_Curm:

cigare1.fatcow.com

First, I want to thank the kind individual who sponsored me for TotalFark after making him laugh.

It allows me to put dillweeds like you on my ignore list.

Ain't technology cool ?
 
2007-02-10 01:55:29 PM
Well, to play devil's advocate, George Washington didn't have the voter experience, either.

Just sayin'.

Besides, a fresh outlook might be good.

I would have to hear his views on illegal immigration, welfare and gov't handouts before I decided anything.

I vote independent and based on the issues which are important to *me*.
 
2007-02-10 01:55:30 PM
FlashLV: Yes, '00 and '04.

What did you feel where his strongest qualifications?
 
2007-02-10 01:57:37 PM
rccollins: @the_gospel_of_thomas

I hope you farking choke.

--dan



@Dan. Loves & kisses, you're so sweet when your acting like a little crybaby.

--Thomas.
 
2007-02-10 01:58:03 PM
All Apologies: What did you feel where his strongest qualifications?

I dont' know about flash, but for someone else in here, it's either a sexual attraction or they're being paid to post.
 
2007-02-10 01:59:13 PM
Moops

I'll probably get banned for calling you out, but hey who cares.

Moops, you constantly accuse me of never supplying proof or what ever when I make statements. You are unable to supply proof of your statement because it doesn't exist, and that's sad and the actual deffinition of a hypocrite.

So Moops you are nothing but a hypocrite until you stop doing what you accuse me of doing. I'm done with you until you give me proof and prove yourself NOT a hypocrite.
 
2007-02-10 01:59:19 PM
Of course his family had influence, but to say it was them, that's disgustiong.


Where's the proof? Please supply proof that it's disgusting.
 
2007-02-10 01:59:23 PM
veedeevadeevoodee
It allows me to put dillweeds like you on my ignore list.

Ain't technology cool ?


Fark yeah!

Do it, so I can make all sorts of fun of you behind your back!!

It'll be great!
 
2007-02-10 01:59:32 PM
I'd like to pay you to actually stay on the topic of the thread, and not engaging in trolling other farkers, clifton.
 
2007-02-10 01:59:52 PM
BunkyBrewman: He seems like a good candidate, but he doesn't have a chance.

i dunno, have you seen the rest???

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5006788.stm
 
2007-02-10 02:00:57 PM
All Apologies

What did you feel where his strongest qualifications?

I thought Gore was nuts and didn't have a platform, and Kerry had nothing but to whine about Bush.
 
2007-02-10 02:01:25 PM
I think the problem is that, while Barack Obama is definitely a qualified presidential candidate (he measures up to all the Constitutional requirements), FlashLV and others are trying to make the point that they feel he isn't the best qualified candidate.

Please try harder to say what you mean, and then the discussion moves along in a much better fashion.
 
2007-02-10 02:01:42 PM
FlashLV: Kerry had nothing but to whine about Bush.

What exactly was Bush's platform that did it for you?
 
2007-02-10 02:02:15 PM
the_gospel_of_thomas: I'd like to pay you to actually stay on the topic of the thread, and not engaging in trolling other farkers, clifton.

Guilty conscience?
 
2007-02-10 02:02:45 PM
Me: What color is that house?

FlashLV: Umbrella.
 
2007-02-10 02:02:56 PM
othan1: I would have to hear his views on illegal immigration, welfare and gov't handouts before I decided anything.

For illegal immigration: stepped up border security, hold employers more accountable and reinstate ICE raids, improve identity documents so employers can more easily ascertain the identity of their employees upon hiring, offer amnesty (with fines and penalties) to illegal immigrants currently (as of, like, January 2005) in the United States.

For welfare: sometimes you need it; focus mostly on job training and aid to families, including an expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit; jobs are a hell of a lot better than welfare.

On government handouts: Government should step in where the free market and charity fail, and should still work intimately with the free market and charities, within the limits of constitutional bounds. Also, accountability at every step - the era of untracked, unlimited handouts is over, according to him.
 
2007-02-10 02:02:59 PM
OK. Which is it? Is he clean or does he smoke? Can't be both.
 
2007-02-10 02:04:13 PM
FlashLV is right!

There is no comparison in resumes!



The Resume of George W Bush
(the early years)


A subsection of the George Bush Resume


EDUCATION:



I entered Yale in 1964 with a SAT of 1206 (Verbal 566, Math 640), 200 points below Yale's average freshman in 1970.

I graduated Yale in 1968 with a 2.35 GPA

In the fall of 1970 I was rejected from admission at University of Texas Law School.

In 1973 I applied to Harvard Business School with a 2.35 GPA. 1973 admission statistics are unavailable, but for an incomplete comparison today's Harvard students average a GPA of 3.5 - no students were accepted with a GPA lower than 2.6.

I graduated Harvard Business School with an MBA and below-average grades.

CRIMINAL RECORD:


Two negligent collisions in July and August 1962 in Houston, TX (p20)

Arrested and charged with disorderly conduct in New Haven, CT in December 1966 (p20) for stealinga christmas tree while drunk

Convicted of drunk driving on September 4, 1976 in Kennebunkport, Maine.

MILITARY EXPERIENCE:


As a strong supporter of the Vietnam War I did everything in my power to avoid military service, both foreign and domestic:

In February 1968 I applied to the Texas Air National Guard after scoring the bare minimum of 25th Percentile (p25) for the Officer's Pilot Aptitude Test. With low scores, no other qualifications listed, and a long list of applicants ahead of me nobody is sure how I got into the guard. Ben Barnes offers one explanation, swearing under oath that he called Brig Gen. Jim Rose at the request of my father's friend Sidney Adger, allowing me a privilege I did not otherwise deserve.

I left the 111th "Champagne Unit" on May 24 1972, requesting a transfer to the Alabama 9921st Air Reserve, a postal unit with no airplanes and no pilots. I did not appear for any service in the 9921st.

On July 21, 1972, my transfer request to the 9921st was rejected and I was commanded to return back to the 111st in Maxwell, TX. I remained away and did not return to Texas. I refused to submit to a physical exam in August, four months after the Air Force made drug tests mandatory for pilots on April 21, 1972. I was suspended and grounded as a disciplinary measure, ensuring I would never fly again.

On September 5, 1972, I once again requested a transfer to Alabama, and once again I failed to appear (this time at the 187th). Neither my commanding officer nor Mavanee Bear, my girlfriend at the time claims to have ever seen me in uniform, though I did get a free dental checkup.

I never met the requirements for honorable discharge, earning only 38 documented points out of a required 50 in 1973-74. I also completed only 36 of 43 required inactive-duty training periods in 1972-73, and 12 of 43 required in 1973-74. Fortunately I "worked something out" and was issued an honorable discharge I did not earn.

My participation in the National Guard was so low that even by the end of the Vietnam Conflict I had flown only 336 hours, not meeting the minimum standards (500 hours flight experience) for combat duty. Even if I had been called to active duty I would have been unqualified to serve by military regulations.

PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE:


I founded Arbusto Energy in 1979 with money borrowed from family friends including James R Bath, representing Salem Bin Laden. Over the next five years I accepted at least $4.7 million dollars from my father's friends including George Ohrstrom and Russell Reynolds, Jr., returning $1.5 million to investors and taking on $3 million in debt. My company was rescued by a buyout from Spectrum 7 by my successful Yale classmates Mercer Reynolds and William DeWitt Jr. in 1984.

After the failure of Arbusto I was awardeda position as Chairman and CEO of Spectrum 7. My participation resulted in more failure as the company was driven to the brink of bankruptcy. I was rescued by a buyout from my father's friends Phil Kendrick and Stuart Watson at Harken Oil and Gas in 1985.

Impressed not by my abilities but by my connections to important people I was rewarded for my failure at Spectrum 7 with a seat on the Board of Directors at Harken Oil and Gas. Harken was a miserable failure during the time I spent there - it posted $23.2 billion in losses. I was investigated by the SEC for selling my shares one week before the loss announcement, and the resulting investigation explicitly did not exonerate me.

I was the owner of the Texas Rangers, made possible only by my father's friends William DeWitt and Richard E. Rainwater. My participation resulted in incredible success for myself and terrible misfortune for my neighbors. I used eminent domain to take taxpayers' land, paid for it with $4.9 million taxpayer dollars, and then spent $191 million more taxpayer dollars to build myself a stadium. I left the city of Arlington, TX with a $7.5 million debt that I still refuse to pay, even after I sold the Rangers to Thomas Hicks for $250 million (a 2500% profit).
 
2007-02-10 02:04:40 PM
FlashLV: I thought Gore was nuts and didn't have a platform, and Kerry had nothing but to whine about Bush.

Those aren't his qualifications. You could just as easily have stayed home. Probably should have, given how badly Bush has farked things up. He was seeking an affirmative, not a negative.
 
2007-02-10 02:04:50 PM
DrBenway


Where's the proof? Please supply proof that it's disgusting.


I know what your doing, I'll play along.

It's disgusting to me. That's my proof.
 
2007-02-10 02:05:40 PM
I can assure you that no one in the south will vote for Osama Bin Laden!
 
2007-02-10 02:05:48 PM
LocalCynic

What exactly was Bush's platform that did it for you?

Lower taxes.
 
2007-02-10 02:06:15 PM
clifton: Guilty conscience?

No, it would just a a refreshing change of pace to see you not trolling other farkers, that's all.
 
2007-02-10 02:06:25 PM
All Apologies: Me: What color is that house?

FlashLV: Umbrella.


That's going in the profile, with Flash's name elided.
 
2007-02-10 02:07:19 PM
the_gospel_of_thomas: No, it would just a a refreshing change of pace to see you not trolling other farkers, that's all.

Pot, kettle, black?
 
2007-02-10 02:07:58 PM
The Bruce Dickinson: 2007-02-10 02:04:13 PM

Well, that's it. I'm never going to vote for that A*hole ever again.
 
2007-02-10 02:08:54 PM
I think that all of the attention that is paid to Barak Obama is outstanding and it shows how afraid the Republicans are of him, not because of his policies per se, but because he has a chance to beat a Republican. All of this qualification talk is crazy. How does one really garner the qualifications to become President? It is rarified air being the President of the United States and I don't know how you can actually train for it. Nobody is actually qualified to be President, but many qualify to run for it.
 
2007-02-10 02:09:16 PM
judging by the response he engenders from the rightwing freakshow, i'd say he is putting a pretty big twist in some panties out there.


you can only scream "who cares" so many times and still look like you dont care.
 
2007-02-10 02:10:34 PM
the_gospel_of_thomas: Well, that's it. I'm never going to vote for that A*hole ever again.

Nah, you'll just vote for a different asshole.
 
2007-02-10 02:10:47 PM
The Bruce Dickinson

Arrested and charged with disorderly conduct in New Haven, CT in December 1966 (p20) for stealing a christmas tree while drunk


You don't see the comedy in that? It shows he's lived. I was arrested for disorderly conduct and posession of a fake ID when I was 20, at the Beach in LV. Does that make me a bad person lol.

MILITARY EXPERIENCE:

Does that matter because Clinton avoided it all together.

Bush was in the military.
 
2007-02-10 02:11:27 PM
Aesc2525
'doing something of importance'- Senator Obama was involved in the drafting of ethics legislation that, in any form, I would assert is important for the proper operation of our government.

Ethics legislation is the opposite of leadership. Every congress makes a show of passing some kind of apple pie bill on the subject. It's the most non-controversial thing there is. He'll have to do a lot better than that.

'being a leader' - Senator Obama has, in fact, been elected to several leadership positions and so should have fulfilled that requirement. Of course, you may define leadership as something other than holding an office in government, but it's hard to do so.

Legislature is not leadership. Executive branch is leadership. Try to think of the last president whose previous job before the white house was congressman or senator: Bush (gov)? Clinton (gov)? Bush, Sr (vp)? Reagan (gov)? Carter (gov)? Nixon (vp)? Johnson (vp)? Kennedy (sen)? Almost fifty years ago. Yea, some of them spent time in congress - before getting the executive branch experience.
 
2007-02-10 02:11:30 PM
FlashLV: Lower taxes.

Okay, now that we've gotten this out of the way, can we put the "qualification" talk to bed?
 
2007-02-10 02:13:35 PM
Sunny Ray: It is rarified air being the President of the United States and I don't know how you can actually train for it. Nobody is actually qualified to be President, but many qualify to run for it.

I actually think one man has been training to become President. Eliot Spitzer has been spending his entire career exploring leadership. At this point, he's using his personal power to assemble a coalition of Democrats and Republicans to finally get a budget in on time, institute ethics reforms, fix New York State's broken Medicare, and otherwise clean up.

He's an insanely popular Governor whose own party leadership hates him, but has still managed to get things done in a very brief period of time. It just looks to me like he's preparing for the inevitable confrontations with the federal Congress.
 
2007-02-10 02:13:40 PM
FlashLV: You don't see the comedy in that? It shows he's lived. I was arrested for disorderly conduct and posession of a fake ID when I was 20, at the Beach in LV. Does that make me a bad person lol.

It doesn't make you a bad person, but your suggestion that Bush's drunken and disorderly conduct somehow makes him more earthly and approachable is ridiculous.

Would you care to describe your "disorderly conduct?"
 
2007-02-10 02:13:46 PM
On a related note, I only live about 45 miles west of S'field, IL. Around the same time Obama spoke, I noticed a brilliant aura of many colors coming from the east, and watched out my window as a hawk spared the life of its prey, so moved it was by the far off presence of the august junior Senator.

The guy seems a good candidate, but I'm going to hold off on the sycophancy that I've noticed now and then. If he gets the nomination, I'll vote for him, but why are so many just enamoured by him?
 
2007-02-10 02:15:06 PM
Where's the proof? Please supply proof that it's disgusting.


FlashLV: I know what your doing, I'll play along.

It's disgusting to me. That's my proof.




moops, see how easy to play and win?
 
2007-02-10 02:15:18 PM
LocalCynic

Okay, now that we've gotten this out of the way, can we put the "qualification" talk to bed?


He was the Republican running, is that okay?

Plus he was the Governor of Texas.
 
2007-02-10 02:16:02 PM
Sunny Ray: How does one really garner the qualifications to become President?


Governor would be a good start.

Mayor would be nice.


Black, and smiles? Well, that's him.

Plus - he's got the added bonus of being able to run on his race, and if you oppose him .... you're racist. Woot.
 
2007-02-10 02:18:13 PM
shinjitsuism: My Prediction: Hillary will win the nomination then select Obama to be her Vice President. It will be the MOST UNSTOPPABLE CAMPAIGN EVAR!!!

Yep, I called that a couple months ago. People, it's all pro wrestling. "They" have their heel tag team in there now, and will of course replace them with their face tag team. Simple as that.
 
2007-02-10 02:18:36 PM
FlashLV: He was the Republican running, is that okay?

Plus he was the Governor of Texas.


And Texas still hasn't recovered. He did execute a couple of tards though.
 
2007-02-10 02:18:37 PM
captainktainer

I know what you are saying, I think Al Gore and Bill Clinton trained to become President. I don't think President Bush did, his is more of an entitlement thing. What I am saying, is Barak Obama is just as qualified as anybody else that is running for this ridiculously difficult job. Its probably like training for a marathon and when you show up they say, "We have just changed the distance to 100 miles. Ready? On your mark, get set, go."
 
2007-02-10 02:19:05 PM
FlashLV: You don't see the comedy in that? It shows he's lived. I was arrested for disorderly conduct and posession of a fake ID when I was 20, at the Beach in LV. Does that make me a bad person lol.

So... out of a screen-long post detailing decades of incompetence, you pick this out? My God...

Does that matter because Clinton avoided it all together.

Yep... there's the B-B-B-BUT CLINTON. We'd gone a near-record amount of time without it, too.

tomhath: Ethics legislation is the opposite of leadership. Every congress makes a show of passing some kind of apple pie bill on the subject. It's the most non-controversial thing there is. He'll have to do a lot better than that.

Again: Lugar-Obama. And in Congress, ethics legislation is a big deal - if you can get it through, or get it through save for parliamentary tricks, that's a serious accomplishment. Ethics legislation proposed by the minority party that is broadly approved is almost unheard of.

Legislature is not leadership.

It is if you carve out a leadership position for yourself. I would also point out that all of the Presidents you mentioned, save Ford and Kennedy, had a seriously rocky relationship with Congress, to the point that vital legislation was delayed or died.
 
2007-02-10 02:19:10 PM
TGOT,

When has it been declared that any opposition to Barack Obama is racist? By whom was this declaration made? I don't believe that argument has been made. If it has, please correct me, but I believe you are being wilfully misleading in your arguments.
 
2007-02-10 02:19:12 PM
Just because he's Oprah's Candidate™ doesn't make him qualified for the job.
 
2007-02-10 02:20:48 PM
the_gospel_of_thomas: Black, and smiles? Well, that's him.

How many times do the reasonable people in this thread have to bring up his very real accomplishments and record until you stop posting this shiat?
 
2007-02-10 02:21:12 PM
steamingpile
A snowball in hell has a better shot than him, anyone that votes for him on that resume should have their right to voter revoked for simple stupidity.

And our current president's resume included what?
--haxtor,
 
2007-02-10 02:21:13 PM
Aesc2525: When has it been declared that any opposition to Barack Obama is racist?

Eh, any opposition to anything is 'racist' to some people.

It's their crutch.
 
2007-02-10 02:21:16 PM
FlashLV: So Moops you are nothing but a hypocrite until you stop doing what you accuse me of doing. I'm done with you until you give me proof and prove yourself NOT a hypocrite.

That's kinda like a smelly homeless person declaring they will no longer ask you for change.
 
2007-02-10 02:21:32 PM
captainktainer: How many times do the reasonable people in this thread have to bring up his very real accomplishments and record until you stop posting this shiat?

He's not Bush. That's enough for him.
 
2007-02-10 02:21:46 PM
Sunny Ray: I think that all of the attention that is paid to Barak Obama is outstanding and it shows how afraid the Republicans are of him, not because of his policies per se, but because he has a chance to beat a Republican. All of this qualification talk is crazy. How does one really garner the qualifications to become President? It is rarified air being the President of the United States and I don't know how you can actually train for it. Nobody is actually qualified to be President, but many qualify to run for it.


Wow, didn't see that coming! One of the most sensible, coherent posts of the entire thread, and it's from Sunny Ray. "Unpossible" has asploded!

Seriously, really good points. I dare you to do it again. No, wait. I double-dog dare you!
 
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