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2007-02-10 12:29:21 PM
shinjitsuism

This should be interesting.. especially with Hillary running.

My Prediction: Hillary will win the nomination then select Obama to be her Vice President. It will be the MOST UNSTOPPABLE CAMPAIGN EVAR!!!


Until Guiliani starts running...

I watched the speech. Full of power, full of promise, full of hope...and completely devoid of any substance.

...and can we please forget about socialistic medicine...PLEASE?!?!
 
2007-02-10 12:29:38 PM
RadioactiveApe

A President's wife running with a black guy who shares a name with a dead Arab dictator.
Truly, really, undeniably, a winning combination.


A retarded guy and a wantabe dictator won in the last election. Stranger things have happened.
 
2007-02-10 12:29:47 PM
What are Obama's positions? Platform? Is he just running on his smile?
 
2007-02-10 12:29:58 PM
America will never elect Obama. His children are black!
 
2007-02-10 12:30:15 PM
But he's so well spoken.
 
2007-02-10 12:30:23 PM
Dick starwars.mytopix.com Cheney
 
2007-02-10 12:31:03 PM
captainktainer

Lugar-Obama Cooperative Security Act, co-wrote some of the most important ethics measures at the end of the 109th Congress and the beginning of this one, ad nauseam. I told you the last time you asked this, about a week before I got sponsored.


And that makes him Presidential material? LOL
 
2007-02-10 12:31:24 PM
paganized: remember what happened to JFK, jr when it was thought he was going to run against Hillary?

Obama's going to fly his plane into weather conditions he's not qualified for? Huh?
 
2007-02-10 12:31:44 PM
bacccc

The SAD truth is that no woman, or black will be President of the United States for MANY, MANY, MANY moons. It's going to take a lot of time for most of the bigots to die off.


So unless you vote for Hillary Rodham or Barack Hussein, you are a bigot.

Hmmmm...

I think it is this 'logic' that turns so many people off. THAT is the reason there isn't going to be a president Barack Hussein Obama.
 
EJ
2007-02-10 12:31:46 PM
johnstodderinexile.wordpress.com

im in ur whitehouce
fixin yo country
LOLz
 
2007-02-10 12:32:11 PM
I'll be voting for whoever opposes gun control

You've got to be kidding. THIS is your big issue? In 2007?

What, do you work for Smith and Wesson?
 
2007-02-10 12:32:47 PM
Von Mises: What are Obama's positions? Platform? Is he just running on his smile?

Maybe you could visit his farking website?
 
2007-02-10 12:33:00 PM
I was under the impression Obama was hiding in a cave somewhere in Pakistan...?

This is just another example of the Bush administration's complete FUBAR of the War on Terror. Obama sin Laden has been hiding right under our noses the whole time in Illinois and the military can't even find him. Its pathetic.

/Seriously, he's just a really really really good smooth talker. He possesses the unique ability to make whoever he's talking to think he supports their beliefs. Far lefties think he's far left, moderate-leaning Dems think he's a moderate-leaning Dem, and moderates think he's a moderate.
//All I ask is that you make sure you actually support him, and aren't just taken in by his smooth talkery.
 
2007-02-10 12:33:21 PM
Franz_Boas:

Obama is a smoker. Americans will never elect a filthy smoker into the white house! What kind of message would that send to the children!

Hopefully the message that there's much more important things to worry about than whether or not a guy smokes 4-5 *gasp* cigarettes a day.
 
2007-02-10 12:33:32 PM
Von Mises: What are Obama's positions? Platform? Is he just running on his smile?

This far out, yes, you don't need to have a bunch of specific policy ideas. Really, it just gives your opponents early ammo against you.

Although, his bill for a set date for troop withdrawl is pretty good.
 
2007-02-10 12:34:06 PM
I thought that this bin laden guy was still hiding under a rock in Pakistan.
 
2007-02-10 12:34:11 PM
ScooterTrash: I watched the speech. Full of power, full of promise, full of hope...and completely devoid of any substance.

Were you listening to the same speech? Because a solid commitment to get out of Iraq, a specific education plan, a commitment to national health coverage, and specific targets for broadband investment are actually unusually specific for an announcement speech.

...and can we please forget about socialistic medicine...PLEASE?!?!

No. We spend almost twice as much money as Canada with worse care by almost every measure. Our medical system is the most inefficient amongst developed countries.

Audioboxer: I mean what would Hillary have done if the retarded NYers hadn't voted for her? Moved to CA?

I know you left New York, but Hillary was reelected with substantial Republican support for a reason. She's actually been a very effective Senator.

I voted for her with no regrets in the midterms, and I will be voting for someone else in the Presidential primaries. She's been one of the most effective advocates for New York State that we've ever had, even while a member of the minority party.
 
2007-02-10 12:35:01 PM
Two things I'm wondering... 1. does anyone think Giuliani's run will actually go anywhere? Because I don't, really.

The second thing is I can't help but wonder if all the talk about Obama doesn't sort of highlight some of the prejudice left in this country in a way. The only thing a lot of us knew about him to begin with was that he is extremely articulate and a great speaker. Did that catch our attention because he is a great speaker or because he is black? Were we caught off guard or something? My only caveat there is that he is truly a great speaker and would stand out among other people considered to be the same. I have looked into some of the things he believes in and speaks about and my impression is that he is very, very liberal. Very anti-gun and pro-nanny state, and I am not really convinced I would vote for him as much as I think he stands out as a person and politician and does have some great ideas. I also am not convinced his presidential run will be particularly fruitful.

Anyway. I don't know what my point was. Peanut butter or jelly?
 
2007-02-10 12:35:06 PM
FlashLV: Can anyone tell me Obama has actually done besides speak at the DNC because he was black and they need to make sure they got the black vote?

*directed a non-profit project assisting local churches to organize job training programs for residents of poor neighborhoods in Chicago

*First African American to be elected president of the Harvard Law Review

*Obtained his J.D. degree magna cum laude from Harvard

*Worked for the civil rights law firm Miner, Barnhill & Galland

*Taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School, 1993-2004

*Illinois state senate, 1996-2004

*US Senate, 2004-Present, elected with 70% of the vote


Now, do any other trolls want to explain how Obama has no qualifications besides being black?
 
2007-02-10 12:35:17 PM
andbruno: That's something that's always pissed me off. The one-drop=black rule basically separates the "pure" whites, and the "contaminated" blacks, and is bs. It's a slippery slope, because where do you draw the line? Who decides?

America needs a 'colored' category like South Africa has/had.
 
2007-02-10 12:35:26 PM
A President's wife running with a black guy who shares a name with a dead Arab dictator.
Truly, really, undeniably, a winning combination.


When are we going to weed out the idiots in our country that can't think beyond labels? At least down to an irrelevant minority?
 
2007-02-10 12:36:19 PM
Number41

Although, his bill for a set date for troop withdrawl is pretty good.

That's sad if that's the only thing he has. Plus it's just pandering anyways.
 
2007-02-10 12:36:23 PM
steamingpile: If you judge someone by how they speak then I certainly do not want that person voting for my country's leader.


Yeah, sheeet, yo, da prezuhdent don't need no speakin' skillz! He just need mad skillz where it matter, yo War tim and shiiit.
 
2007-02-10 12:36:41 PM
FlashLV: And that makes him Presidential material? LOL

Lugar-Obama - one of the most influential arms reduction programs in the history of the nation, with an even broader scope than the Nunn-Lugar Nuclear Nonpoliferation Compact (which, if you have any knowledge of foreign policy whatsoever, should be ringing huge bells right now) - absolutely does. It's one of the most impressive acts that a freshman Senator has gotten signed into law in the last hundred years.
 
2007-02-10 12:36:53 PM
HellbentForLeather:
 
So unless you vote for Hillary Rodham or Barack Hussein, you are a bigot.


For some reason, I don't think some of us will need to wait until election day to settle that one.
 
2007-02-10 12:37:06 PM
Political people (those that are informed from a left leaning perspective) tell me they won't vote Hillary. I won't either. The Democrats better think hard
before putting her up...they'll lose again with her if they can't get the people I know to vote for her.
Obama...Hmmmm
I think I could support him if molds himself in the maverick
image that a person like Paul Wellstone did so well...still miss Paul after all these years

">www.landstewardshipproject.org



"If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for, at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them"
 
2007-02-10 12:38:23 PM
ceejayoz: Maybe you could visit his farking website?

Any time you see the words "von Mises" anywhere, just replace it with "faux-libertarian twatwafflish sheep." The Ludwig von Mises cult (which Ron Paul is a member of) is a bunch of coonts. Ignore them and let them be.
 
2007-02-10 12:39:14 PM
Von Mises: What are Obama's positions? Platform? Is he just running on his smile?

Well, he's published two books, has his voting record in the Illinois statehouse and in Congress, and has recently gone on record in the media calling for universal health care.

Furthermore, even the most preliminary internet search will turn up his stance on any number of political issues.

It's not like he's hiding his political beliefs from anyone.

I'm sorry, but if you are sitting around expecting the cable news networks to deliver you substantial information about things like issues and platforms, you're going to be waiting an awful long time.

It's shocking, I know, but sometimes democracy works best when voters exercise a minimal amount of effort to educate themselves.
 
2007-02-10 12:39:31 PM
FlashLV: That's sad if that's the only thing he has. Plus it's just pandering anyways.

How can you use that comment on two different posts about two different bills he's sponsored?
 
2007-02-10 12:40:11 PM
I don't like him. Not even black people will vote for this guy.

Just sayin.
 
2007-02-10 12:40:23 PM
All these posts and the VAST majority are concerning the guys race and not his qualifications (which there are slim-to-none)

I guess BOTH sides are still pretty hung up on color.

What does he stand for?

What is his foreign policy positions / goals?
Social issues?
Military issues?
Economic issues?

I just can't believe that some of you vote, and that it is equal to mine.

/Shudder
 
2007-02-10 12:40:32 PM
Number41: How can you use that comment on two different posts about two different bills he's sponsored?

You are aware who you're speaking to, right?
 
2007-02-10 12:40:50 PM
middleoftheday: Two things I'm wondering... 1. does anyone think Giuliani's run will actually go anywhere? Because I don't, really.

No, too mank skeletons in his closet, and realistically, he was not all that popular in New York until 09/12/2001, when he magically became a hero and treasure for doing his job.

The second thing is I can't help but wonder if all the talk about Obama doesn't sort of highlight some of the prejudice left in this country in a way. The only thing a lot of us knew about him to begin with was that he is extremely articulate and a great speaker. Did that catch our attention because he is a great speaker or because he is black? Were we caught off guard or something?

I think it has less to do with race and more to do with what we've seen from Bush/Cheney, who lack articulate speaking skills and charisma, one less than the other on both counts. Kerry/Edwards also lacked charisma. Obama has an insane amount of charisma and is well spoken; he appeals to the people, as such, and I think it's shocking after what we've become used to as the norm from the President and assorted candidates.

Maybe for some it is about race, but to me, that seems more apparent.
 
2007-02-10 12:40:54 PM
moops

*directed a non-profit project assisting local churches to organize job training programs for residents of poor neighborhoods in Chicago

*First African American to be elected president of the Harvard Law Review

*Obtained his J.D. degree magna cum laude from Harvard

*Worked for the civil rights law firm Miner, Barnhill & Galland

*Taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School, 1993-2004

*Illinois state senate, 1996-2004

*US Senate, 2004-Present, elected with 70% of the vote

Now, do any other trolls want to explain how Obama has no qualifications besides being black?


Isn't this the same stuff you posted before when you explained he had a great political career even though it wasn't done under his political career?

Moops Many many people have done this and aren't qualified, but this guy is? Where you graduated mean anything? You say Bush graduating from Yale was used against him.

How does teahing law make you a good candidate? LOL

Going off of this, almost every politician in DC is qualified.
 
2007-02-10 12:41:41 PM
tonesskin [TotalFark]
RadioactiveApe

A President's wife running with a black guy who shares a name with a dead Arab dictator.
Truly, really, undeniably, a winning combination.

A retarded guy and a wantabe dictator won in the last election. Stranger things have happened.


Sir, you have just convinced me to throw my hat into the race.
 
2007-02-10 12:42:39 PM
I didn't know he taught con law. Dare I even hope for a president who would understand and respect the Constitution?

If he runs, I wonder how creatively the NeoCon machine can say that man is a ni. I think it'll go something like this. "They want you to vote for him just because he's black," which be correctly interpreted by a lot of people as "don't vote for him just because he's black."
 
2007-02-10 12:42:44 PM
2007-02-10 12:22:18 PM we_hates

I will say this about the 2008 presidential election - anybody who voted for the Iraq war ain't getting my vote, regardless of whether there is an R or a D by their name. If I remember correctly, Obama opposed the war.


Well, he wasn't a Senator when the Congress voted for the Iraq war. So he can say whatever he wants now. Hindsight is 20/20. Of course, I believe him. But back then, damn near everybody voted for that war.

I would vote for him. I prefer him over Hillary. Nothing against her, I just think that Barak Obama is more charismatic and a charismatic leader can get things done. Also, since he is a relative newcomer, he doesn't have nearly as much oily residue of lobbyists and special interest groups covering him as other candidates with longer resumes.

Is he white? Is he black? Who gives a fark? The question, the only important question, is "Will he make a good President?"
 
EJ
2007-02-10 12:43:31 PM
images16.fotki.com

Excuse me while I Whip this out.
 
2007-02-10 12:43:44 PM
I sure hate like hell to get serious in a Fark thread, but you Farkers leave me no choice.

Clinton will be likely to get the nomination, because she has the biggest war chest, the heaviest backlog of favors traded---and she has been planning for this thing since at least 2000, most people would say 1990 or earlier.

Obama will likely get the VP nomination because he can pull back the black vote, which has started to peel away from the Democrat Party, and he can deliver some key States which the Democrats will need to lock it in.

Both of them know their real power base is people who are on the sucking end of the Federal tit: There are enough of these to swing any election, and all you have to do is threaten granny's monthly check and she will stand outside all night long in a raging blizzard to cast her ballot.

In addition, the Republicans have held the White House for 8 years, their chances of stretching it to 12 are dismal. The war hurts their chances but the real factor is time: voters want something different, they are tired of the same old crap.

The media will help as well, their liberal bias is notorious. They will cover up any crime one of their own commits, while bending over backwards to indict a conservative for the slightest misstep.

They are both slimy bastards---and they will win. Bank on it.

\\\ you heard it here first.

\\ \\ \\ don't say I like it,but that's how it is.
 
2007-02-10 12:43:54 PM
FlashLV: How does teahing law make you a good candidate? LOL

Are you farking serious? Are you seriously farking claiming knowledge of the Constitution is somehow a useless trait for a political leader? Are you that dumb?
 
2007-02-10 12:45:26 PM
Jebpapundits.comBush
 
2007-02-10 12:45:38 PM
FlashLV: How does teahing law make you a good candidate? LOL


One thing i know for sure: Obama has more qualifications than you. It's hilarious how a low-grade cubicle clown such as yourself tries to explain away Obama's accomplishments as not worthy of Presidential material.

PS - Bush had no accomplishments that didn't involve his family connections. Not a single one.
 
2007-02-10 12:46:16 PM
moops: Now, do any other trolls want to explain how Obama has no qualifications besides being black?

They don't want to explain that at all. They just want to repeat the talking point over and over again because Karl Rove and Frank Luntz and Rush Limbaugh have taught them that if you repeat the Big Lie enough times, people will believe it.

The best response is to repeat similar claims in threads about GOP candidates:

- How can John McCain win the election "if he had a black baby," is George W. Bush's biatch, and was brainwashed when he was a POW? PS - he thinks that the religious right is the biggest threat to our country.
- How can Mitt Romney win the election if he's a Mormon who hired illegal immigrants, is "personally pro-life" but doesn't want to force his beliefs on anyone?
- How can Rudy (not Rudolph - RUDY) win the election when he dressed in drag in a march with NAMBLA, is pro-choice, and pro-gun control?
- How can Huckabee win when he's a tax and spend liberal who acts Christian but has continuously increased the size of government in Arkansas and was riddled with scandal?
- How can Sam Brownback win when he's a converted papist who opposes critical anti-terror measures like the NSA wiretapping, is pro-big government and wants to federally regulate the media, and has no stance on Iraq?

And of course, remember when framing the debate, never refer to them as "Republicans." Refer to them as "the GOP." By framing the party as an acronym, it allows you to inject negative connotations as to their values and beliefs.
 
2007-02-10 12:46:32 PM
RadioactiveApe

Sir, you have just convinced me to throw my hat into the race.

Hey, I gave you the idea. Can I be your running mate? We can just get drunk the whole time on contribution money. It will be our campaign...think like the little guy!
 
2007-02-10 12:47:13 PM
EJ: Excuse me while I Whip this out.

The president is a n*BONG*, the president is a n*BONG*

What's he saying?
I think he's say the president is near.

No! Consarnit, the president is a n*BONG*!
 
2007-02-10 12:47:30 PM
OMG OBAMA IS LIBRUL AND LIBRUL=SLIMY LOLZ

/shame that there isn't something between "libtard" and "coontservative" -- maybe we could call it "moderate" or something
 
2007-02-10 12:48:17 PM
gregly: OMG OBAMA IS LIBRUL AND LIBRUL=SLIMY LOLZ

I'm trying to keep the troll alive.
 
2007-02-10 12:48:20 PM
FlashLV: Going off of this, almost every politician in DC is qualified.

Why don't you tell us what you think makes someone qualified for office? Or are you going to keep moving the goalposts because you've latched onto a meaningless talking point that Rush told you to repeat?
 
2007-02-10 12:48:45 PM
I have seen Obama speak in person at one of his Town Hall meetings.

Yes he is well spoken and I do believe he is more intelligent and broad-minded than Bush.

Yes he is a slick politician just like almost every successful politician out there. He artfully sidestepped a controversial question in such a way that left me trying to remember just what the hell the question was in the first place.

No he isn't a radical lefty - he pwned a weaselly high school kid who denigrated the troops in Iraq. Used his "someone drove the bus into a ditch, and now we gotta get the bus out" analogy.

Pretty sure he's beholden to the corn industry by the way he touts ethanol. The white farmers in the Southern part of the state love him.

I would love Love LOVE to have a president who could speak articulately and convey some dignity to the office. That being said, if a better contender comes along I'll support that person.
 
2007-02-10 12:49:03 PM
PapermonkeyExpress: All these posts and the VAST majority are concerning the guys race and not his qualifications (which there are slim-to-none)

You didn't read the thread. I've already addressed his qualifications; others have gone into even more details. I understand you're upset, but please don't say things that can be easily disproved by just scrolling up the thread.
 
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