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(London Times)   Gmail to be made available to the remaining three people who don't already have an account   (technology.timesonline.co.uk) divider line 52
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2007-02-08 08:18:33 AM
Gmail will retain a 'beta' tag to signify that the company still considers the service to be in a testing phase a Google product.
 
2007-02-08 08:28:16 AM
Now if I could just get them to figure out why it won't work with my (JAVA enabled) cellphone. Every time I try to log in it turns my phone off.
 
2007-02-08 08:33:28 AM
The service still remains along way behind its two main rivals.

In terms of what, exactly? Their spam filters are superior, their advertising is less intrusive, their space is more than double the others, searching is fast and easy.

I have my own domain name and mail server, and in the past six months I've had it on redirect -> gmail.com because it's better than webmail and outlook at home!
 
2007-02-08 08:35:27 AM
Anybody have an invite to spare?



/kidding
 
2007-02-08 08:42:07 AM
Gig103: In terms of what, exactly?

I'm pretty sure they mean in terms of users, not features and usability.

And I totally agree. I've totally abandoned using an email client on my computer, and just use the Gmail interface. It does absolutely everything I need from an email client, and more.
 
2007-02-08 08:51:04 AM
The service still remains along way behind its two main rivals.

I also asked in what way?

In numbers? Certainly, that isn't in doubt, but in terms of service, and function, it far outstrips their rivals, not just in terms of storage, but their Chat is so much better--and not a separate function.

While most folks who really wanted a gmail account early got one, I think that opening it up to the rest of the US is going to put a crimp in some of the other free services. Especially given how user unfriendly that Microsoft's Hotmail has gotten--they canceled out an account without any warning, and then told me cheerfully, they were "saving" my account name--after dumping everything. Joy, so helpful that. I'd already moved most everything to gmail already, but even still, it was a shock to see years worth of records gone, and without any notification.

Yahoo, oddly, is much better about their customer service, and they actually offer a few services that I might actually use, as opposed to the spam laden services that Microsoft put out there for my perusal--and less obtrusive as well. I hold onto that Yahoo account in case Bad Things should befall Gmail, but it's essentially my spam filter...
 
2007-02-08 08:53:30 AM
gmail is awesome, but the 1 thing i wish it had was folders...
the search feature is ok, but if i was able to sort my mail into folders that would make searching much easier...

aside from that i've never had a peoblem....
 
2007-02-08 09:27:05 AM
Notyhing to complain about given the price.
 
2007-02-08 09:33:07 AM
submitter: to the remaining three people who don't already have an account

We have a warped perception because Gmail is the mode of correspondence on fark that everyone has it. In real numbers gmail only makes up a very small percentage freemail accounts, dwarfed by yahoo.com and hotmail.com.
 
2007-02-08 09:48:48 AM
I know Gmail needs to make money, but I like the invitation-only or cellphone activation. It keeps a lot of spammers over in hotmail land.
 
2007-02-08 10:45:17 AM
I'll admit I still use the hotmail acount I got in middle school. That acount is probably going on 10 years old at this point. Has about a Gig of space on there of which I use about 2%. Gmail sounds nice and all, but I'm lazy.

/sets up other email addresses to forward to hotmail.
//their spam filter is pretty good in my opinion
 
2007-02-08 10:46:38 AM
sparky1013: Use tags.



/Used tags the moment I got into Gmail
//I don't even use tags anymore; I just search.
 
2007-02-08 10:48:00 AM
I too got rid of my pay e-mail (used NetAddress, which is still an excellent service).

In response to sparky, I think that's the point of the label system. While there are no folders, just label everything for quick reference. That's what I do.
 
2007-02-08 10:48:17 AM
Don't have one, don't need one. Meh.
 
2007-02-08 10:50:31 AM
Anyone care to explain the whole "invite" thing to someone who still does not understand it. I mean how did they ever get a base number of people if its invite only and what the hell purpose does it serve anyway?
/yes I'm stupid.
 
2007-02-08 10:55:19 AM
From what I remember, you signed up on Google.com to get a chance to win an "invite" to use Gmail. The point, I assume, is to keep their initial numbers rather small so they can get the kinks out. Since its inception, Gmail has offered mobile features, document/spreadsheet programs, a pretty decent calendar, and a ton more space.

My guess is they didn't want everyone to flood their system, thus giving all current members a limited number of "invites." It's also a marketing thing...just like any other product. The value goes up when the supply is limited.
 
2007-02-08 10:58:30 AM
I would kill for Gmail style threading at work.
 
2007-02-08 11:02:02 AM
There was this bit on SNL where they made fun of Richard Dreyfus ... he had this whiney voice and went "I was in Jaws!" That becaming a running joke between a friend and I. Now Gmail *really* wants to offer me great deals on Jaws.
 
2007-02-08 11:03:02 AM
meh...

been using Yahoo (and others) for almost 10 years, I have more than enough storage space, plus it's integrated with all their other services... so why bother...

/never have been a Google whoreshipper, still doesn't get it... never find anything with it. Too many adds and crap.
 
2007-02-08 11:07:14 AM
mekkab: Use tags.

i could i guess..
but i'd like folders better...
 
2007-02-08 11:11:51 AM
Never got into gmail as a web email client. For some reason I never got on with the interface, and just used it as a way to shuffle reasonably large files about.

Hotmail and Yahoo I just use to sign up for things so the spam goes there instead of my domain email accounts.
 
2007-02-08 11:20:35 AM
Whats also nice, is up to this point(and I still think they offer it) Gmail has offered POP access to your inbox. Most free providers won't offer that. It's a bit slow for me, but it seems to work fairly well.

I kind of wonder how this will work with Google checkout; they run a deal where if you are a first time user, they will take $10 off your purchase. The user account(and the deal) are locked to a gmail account, and people had a fairly limited ability to create a massive number of accounts to get discounts. I wonder how thats going to pan out now.
 
2007-02-08 11:36:28 AM
sparky1013: but the 1 thing i wish it had was folders...

that's my ONLY complaint about GMail, they take care of that I swear my undying allegiance and/or first born child to Google.
 
2007-02-08 11:39:54 AM
the_rev [TotalFark]

1? PFfftt! I have 97!

/thread count said '3' when i clicked on it...
//:(
 
2007-02-08 11:41:15 AM
I don't understand why the labels aren't a fair substitute to folders. What would a folder give you that the label/archive won't?

Gmail still supports POP. My only complaint about POP is that I still have to sit there and delete/archive the webmail inbox. I check to "archive" downloaded messages...but it doesn't work for me. Thoughts?
 
2007-02-08 11:42:40 AM
Another gmail tip is to go to https://www.gmail.com instead of http://www.gmail.com. If you start off by typing the "s" it stays secured for your whole session, not just the login.
 
2007-02-08 11:43:08 AM
for good or for awesome [TotalFark]

Anyone care to explain the whole "invite" thing


So that spammers won't have gmail addys?
 
2007-02-08 11:46:27 AM
I'm one of those that still don't have a gmail account. I have FOUR email accounts (one is an old College account that I get to hang onto a little while longer, another is POP from work, another is POP from my home cable internet service, and the last is an AGING Yahoo account I keep for emergency purposes).

I really have no need for another email account...I suppose I might get one when the college email becomes defunct, just to have an account that I can use to sign up for stuff on the net with (that way, most of the spam goes there).
 
2007-02-08 11:59:31 AM
i've had my hotmail account for 10+ years now. why make everyone i know switch my address in their books when i have no real reason to change?

it's like changing a phone number. it might be fine for you, but it sucks for everyone else.
 
2007-02-08 12:01:27 PM
I get 2 GB with hotmail for free. Does Gmail offer that much space?
 
2007-02-08 12:07:24 PM
Gmail is 2814 MB apparently.
 
2007-02-08 12:17:49 PM
homarjr: i've had my hotmail account for 10+ years now. why make everyone i know switch my address in their books when i have no real reason to change?

it's like changing a phone number. it might be fine for you, but it sucks for everyone else.


It's like changing a phone number when moving to a new (and better) area. You have to contact everyone you know (or care to know) to inform them of the change.

I use GMail, my fiancee uses Hotmail. I very much prefer GMail, especially since it integrates their other products smoothly.

/Uses Docs & Spreadsheets, Calender, Maps, Talk, and Reader
//What does hotmail have other than a pain-in-the-arse interface?
 
2007-02-08 12:30:21 PM
Love my GMail. Google homepage replace Yahoo permanently for me in early 2006. In most cases, when I show people what all Google's services can do, they admit that they weren't using because they didn't get it or are just stuck in a rut with whatever they've been using for years.

/Google Reader rocks
//Google Analytics impressed my boss
///Waiting for Google Wife Beta
 
2007-02-08 12:43:34 PM
You folks complaining about folders have never heard of "labels" and "filters", I'm guessing. If you set up a good filter, it will attach a label to an incoming e-mail, then hide it from your regular inbox. To get to it, you click the label name. That sounds mightily like a folder to me: hide incoming or already-existing e-mail in a special, "have to click it specifically" place.

GMail's conversation threading is astoundingly superior to any others I've seen. That's the only real "e-mail advantage" that I can come up with, because I haven't logged into my Hotmail or Yahoo mail accounts for a long, long time now.
 
2007-02-08 12:58:28 PM
What the fark is GMail? Is that a ghetto she-male?
 
2007-02-08 01:26:15 PM
I just like the whole package. I find labels far superior to folders because I don't have a mess of links clogging my menu. I love how the homepage integrates with news, Google services, and many other tools. I just spent about an hour re-customizing my homepage to get many of their new features.

I agree with Thraeryn that the threading is by far the best out there for free (and perhaps pay) e-mail services. Even though the POP feature doesn't archive any of the messages, it's still much easier not to have to do each individual e-mail.

/Gmail rocks
//Will never switch to anything else
 
2007-02-08 01:26:38 PM
ShadowPenguin
sparky1013: but the 1 thing i wish it had was folders...

that's my ONLY complaint about GMail, they take care of that I swear my undying allegiance and/or first born child to Google.


You guys are joking, right?
 
2007-02-08 01:33:19 PM
sparky1013 [TotalFark]
gmail is awesome, but the 1 thing i wish it had was folders...

Use the 'apply tag' feature. Then, that tag will appear on the left-side of the screen. Click on it, and everything with that tag will appear. VIOLA!
 
2007-02-08 01:41:02 PM
I have a Rogers (Yahoo) email account. 2GBs of storage, virtually no spam comes through, email search, and you can freely sign up for one without having to go through some silly invite process.

Tell me why I should care about Gmail again?

/granted if it were not for Gmail, we'd all still have 5MB of email space
//hotmail can DIAF
 
2007-02-08 02:09:08 PM
For someone "getting a kick out of these replies..."

Gmail needs instant spam delete....the 30-day auto delete is lame.
 
2007-02-08 02:11:56 PM
yaden24: Gmail is 2814 MB apparently.

Actually, that limit is fabricated. If you look at the JavaScript running on gmail's homepage, you'll notice the counter is simply the amount of time that has elapsed since they put that counter on the main page fed into a logarithmic function. It would be impractical to constantly resize everyone's mailbox/partition. Instead, everyone uses the same massive memory pool and only when you get close to the artificial limit will you get a warning.
 
2007-02-08 02:14:34 PM
Another advantage to labels over folders (which hasn't been touched upon yet) is that you can attach multiple labels to a particular email. In Outlook, if a particular email was appropriate to put in more than one folder, you'd either have to make a copy for each folder, or remember which particular folder you filed that email. Labels does away with this.
 
2007-02-08 02:15:34 PM
This thread is GWB without pics: Gmail needs instant spam delete....the 30-day auto delete is lame.

It's not automatic but you can hose any email, spam or otherwise, with the click of a mouse.
 
2007-02-08 02:17:30 PM
So I suppose it'll be out of beta in a decade or so.
 
2007-02-08 02:24:05 PM
I use a gmail account as an extra hard drive on my fedora core 5 box. Pretty simple to set up, too.
 
2007-02-08 02:29:41 PM
Enuratique

"It's not automatic but you can hose any email, spam or otherwise, with the click of a mouse."

I'm lazy that way. It is a function on Yahoo I believe.

Really, I don't even want to give the light of day to the spam folder to see what crap I have to delete with even a single click. I like Gmail, but the "Don't throw anything away" campaign is annoying.
 
2007-02-08 02:30:51 PM
Enuratique: It's not automatic but you can hose any email, spam or otherwise, with the click of a mouse.

Exactly. Three clicks to "delete all spam messages" isn't that hard.

I told my girlfriend that some people were in here saying they didn't understand what was so great about GMail. Her response?

"They obviously haven't tried it."
 
2007-02-08 03:12:30 PM
Bob Down - FTW

All posts that follow are just white noise.

/yeah, this one too
 
2007-02-08 04:22:00 PM
I'm also in the "switching is difficult" camp. It's hard to change addresses all of a sudden after 12 years. I have a Gmail account, and I'd say it is better than Yahoo and (especially) Hotmail, but not enough to make the switch worthwhile.

I'm also slightly, although not extremely, wary of the email-scanning feature, which basically amounts to a powerful infrastructure that is capable of knowing your marketing preferences like none other, and bombarding you with ads, spam, and in theory even junk paper mail. The only reason why it's limited to on-the-fly Google ads is because of the privacy policy. If the policy changes, you could be farked. It may never change while Google is still around, but if they go under, potential buyout companies will be salivating over all your inboxes and the ease with which they can mine your messages for marketing data. All it takes for Google to go under is for someone to come up with a better search algorithm, just like how Google overtook AltaVista. (Remember when AltaVista used to be king?) And it probably wouldn't be the new company that buys Google out--more likely some shiatass dinosaur with tons of capital and dubious privacy policies, like AOL or Lycos.
 
2007-02-08 10:41:56 PM
I don't get this invite thing. I went to gmail and got an account without an invite. I had to enter my cellphone number and get a text code or something though.
 
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