The best way to protect your family from child pornography from accidentally winding up on your computer is to regularly clean your hard drive. You can do that simply by downloading software online.


Yeah gotta hate it when all that *accidental* kiddie porn gets on ones computer..

krysbabe: Yeah gotta hate it when all that *accidental* kiddie porn gets on ones computer..

It's from all those Kiddie Porn Pop-up ads.
Hopefully Firefox does something about it.

Some may sneer, but when you are hung over and hungry for something sweet and crunchy, it isn't that hard to read "kiddie porn" as "kiddie korn," and think you are clicking on a link to order some snacks.

Or so I've heard.

That was perhaps the most poorly written piece of crap I've read all day, and I have read a lot of crap today.

/stupid mid-terms, ruining my Sunday
//did the last 3/4 of that article make any sense to anyone?

Link goes back to Fark.

Seems that a lot of people get caught with "accidental" kiddie porn. Does that mean that they didn't know it was illegal? Or that they didn't mean for it to be on their computer?

Let's say you're going through a flickr album and you're looking at "college" girls doing some nice things to each other. It later turns out that these girls are underage. Would this be "accidental" kiddie porn?

Link pops right back to fark.

madcharlie: and turns out not to be the hot lesbian porn you were looking for.

I've seen my fair share of hot lesbian porn, and have never come across any kiddie porn accidentally. Where have YOU been surfing?

I'm not a lawyer, but isn't the chain of evidence, and with it the entire case, broken in this case? The hard drive was in this possession of at least 2 other entities after the original owner. Who's to say child pornography wasn't added to the hard drive by these parties, not by the original owner?

http://www.nbc-2.com/articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=10900&z=3&p=

LEE COUNTY: NBC2 investigators hand delivered the biggest child porn investigation of the year to detectives at the Lee County Sheriff's Office. As deputies collect evidence in the case NBC2 has learned anyone with a computer can have child pornography stored on their hard drive and not even know it.

NBC2 randomly purchased four hard drives at two Southwest Florida charities. We took each one to the Lee County Sheriff's Office.

Inside their computer forensic lab detectives analyzed the hard drives, what they found on one of the computers sparked a federal investigation.

"We found what is obviously child pornography," said Lieutenant Gary Desrosiers of the Lee County Sheriff's Office.

Sheriff's investigators uncovered at least 42 pictures of naked children. Some are posed while others are caught in unguarded moments.

It's enough evidence for Lee County detectives to contact the FBI and start investigating the computer's previous owner who is suspected of trolling the internet searching for child victims.

"Our job is to put the people in jail who did it or put the people in jail who are collecting it because every time you show a child pornographic picture, that child has been re-victimized and we have to stop it," said Desrosiers.

As Detectives continued to dig on what amounts to their biggest child porn case this year, we uncovered another startling fact - there's a good possibility child pornography is on your computer right now and you don't even know it.

How is that possible? It's the nature of the internet.

"For instance if you were to use 'Disney' as a search word, the porn web sites will put 'Disney' as a thumbnail or key word in their sites so that kids will wind up on porn sites," said Desrosiers. "Once you're there, once you go to a website, once that info pops up on screen, your hard drive takes that info and holds it. So the pictures that are there, are now on your hard drive."

"I don't want to be graphic, but we're talking about infants, toddlers, things that leave a mark on your soul when you see them," said Chief Assistant US Attorney Doug Molloy

Molloy says the newest source for child porn is LimeWire, a legitimate internet sharing site where child pornographers have set up shop.

"They're able to give code words so child pornographers know where to go on LimeWire, so child pornographers are lying in plain sight on that site," said Molloy.

The feds aren't attacking the medium, they're attacking the messenger.

Dozens of LimeWire cases have been prosecuted in Florida's middle district and every single one has resulted in a conviction.

Molloy credits the power of the pictures.

"The images are undeniable, because you can't explain away 500 images of children on your computer. There's no explanation for it," said Molloy.

The children will be violated for the rest of their lives, because as long as the internet creates a demand for child pornography the images will never fade.

"This child, which is 10 years old, is being victimized today. And 8 years later when the child is 18, it's still out there," said Desrosiers.

The best way to protect your family from child pornography from accidentally winding up on your computer is to regularly clean your hard drive. You can do that simply by downloading software online.

From TFA:

"For instance if you were to use 'Disney' as a search word, the porn web sites will put 'Disney' as a thumbnail or key word in their sites so that kids will wind up on porn sites," said Desrosiers. "Once you're there, once you go to a website, once that info pops up on screen, your hard drive takes that info and holds it. So the pictures that are there, are now on your hard drive."

Man, I clicked on the link and went to some website that looks just like Fark.com.
Seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Those internets and their sneaky tubes...

You can do that simply by downloading software online.

unless it has you know what hidden in it.

and I dont mean doughnuts.

video - Charities respond to NBC2 computer investigation

It's not NBC - it's fark.com!

?? wtf ??

Yea, for the love of $deity, if you're ever going to dispose or give away your computer either keep the hard drive or wipe it with DBAN. It's got a Department of Defense-quality algorithm. Takes a while, but it's one serious drive wipe.

Easy solution to the problem of a hard disk that needs erasing: http://www.dban.org/.

Danger: When downloaded and written to a CD, ensure that the CD is sufficiently labeled with scary warnings. While it doesn't auto-nuke right off the bat, it's possible that someone who's drunk or otherwise "out of it" might mistakenly nuke a HD.

My copy at work is labeled, and includes "...and it'll kick your dog too!" just to get the point across.

I'm not a lawyer, but isn't the chain of evidence, and with it the entire case, broken in this case? The hard drive was in this possession of at least 2 other entities after the original owner. Who's to say child pornography wasn't added to the hard drive by these parties, not by the original owner?
I am no computer expert, but isn't everything dated. I am sure this wouldn't be too hard to prove.

heypete: Easy solution to the problem of a hard disk that needs erasing: http://www.dban.org/.

Get the fark out of my head.

madcharlie

Dude, listen to what you just said, "be careful of what you download". How is downloading one of these images any worse then downloading and other image off the internet. You are just moving 1s and 0s around. It's not like these people are taking the images themselves (I think those are the people who should go to jail).

Nothing that occurs enitrely on a computer is real and if some sicko wants to look at some nasty pics i say we let him. We can't force our values on other people's minds.

If i had it my way we would deport everyone who looked at gay pics or japanimation movies, but i don't get to because i have to be tolerant.

One of my biggest fears is that one day I'll give away or sell my computer, forgetting to wipe it. My wife and I are real big on letting the kids go naked if they want (although my daughter's pretty much grown out of it now) and we have a few pictures with naked kids either in the foreground or background.

/It's not a comfortable and happy two year old, it's kiddie pr0nq!

muzzrphochr:

Pretty much anything on a hard drive can be monkeyed with, including metadata.

On a vaguely related note, my computer teacher in high school claimed she had the ability to know how many times any given file on a floppy had been printed out. While she was likely bluffing, I don't doubt that a ProDOS hack or two would have made such a thing possible, if rather inaccurate... of course, if you ran it on a system that wasn't ProDOS, all bets were off.

My wife and I are real big on letting the kids go naked if they want

I could see letting them go naked if they want I guess, but you're real big on that?

It's not hard to modify the modification/access dates on files in any modern computer system. I remember doing it a few times to stuff that was supposedly "late" for assignments.

You know - although the people responsible for this garbage are sick farks who should have their eyes gored out with rusty spoons... that Sheriff's department does have a point. Those comps with small numbers of that pedo filth are victims as well.

There's a big difference between 1 or 2 (*maybe even 10) - and a cache of hundreds.

I've seen instances where people were *spammed* with nasty pics - If you were tricked into opening it - or had it forced on you like that ... should you be responsible?

Really, come on -=- think of your collections (music, video, pr0n, etc) - if you like something on your PC - you've got dozens, hundreds - a sizable collection.

Not just a couple.

ravuya It's not hard to modify the modification/access dates on files in any modern computer system.

My first "fixed that for you".

/sorry
//apparently not enough

muzzrphochr: I am no computer expert, but isn't everything dated.
Not necessarily.

linuxbox, that has to be the funniest website I have seen in quite a while.

2007-02-05 01:17:50 AM Bin_jammin

madcharlie: and turns out not to be the hot lesbian porn you were looking for.

I've seen my fair share of hot lesbian porn, and have never come across any kiddie porn accidentally. Where have YOU been surfing?

Only noobs get their porn from surfing. The rest of us have been using USENET for years. But to give you an example, I remember doing a search on the script from a Chappelle Show episode (the one for Zapped), and when I finally found it, it was on a site that discussed Cuckolding (a wife who has sex with other men, and her husband either submits to the shame or derives sexual pleasure from it). Hell, throw "Chappelle Cuckold" without the quotes into Google and you'll find sites that have those keywords and will redirect you to porn sites of various different types. We're talking about some sites that allow blogs or journals that immediately redirect you to porn. So, they're definitely NSFW.

There's been lots of mislabeled pr0n on USENET for years. While most of the obvious stuff has keywords that let the average person know to stay the hell away from it (things like "tiny girl," "lolita," "young," to the obvious "pre-teen," etc.), but it's becoming more and more common to come across stuff that's not labeled at all and posted to in the more "vanilla" USENET groups. If you take a script that downloads pictures from some of the highest traffic porn groups on USENET, I'd be surprised if you didn't come across at least a couple of examples of child porn that shouldn't have been there because it wasn't the target audience of the people who read that group. An electronics forensic investigator that I know says it's becoming more common on P2P networks as well.

In the 13 years I've used the Internet (5 spent as an admin at one ISP or another) I can say that I've only ever seen one true to life instance of what was definitely child porn, which was posted as part of a large dump of what was supposed to be a bunch of vanilla straight sex pics to USENET to a high traffic group from one person, and that was back in 1995 or so. It was pretty sickening. I know from talking to friends that work for premium USENET feed providers, that they get at least one subpoena a day for people posting such content. So, sadly, it's not as rare as it sounds.

detached_sr

I could see letting them go naked if they want I guess, but you're real big on that?

I think I see what you did there... funny.

But seriously, yeah, we are. We don't want our kids to grow up being uncomfortable with their bodies and having all the typical neuroses associated with a lifetime of "nudity is bad!" and "Sex is the devil!!" Or worse, end up like one of these freaks that's the topic of discussion. Naked != bad. Sexual perversions == sick, in the most literal sense of the word.

/yes, I understand it's an illness
//they're still freaks
///nature AND nurture

Screw that fancy unreliable hard drive erasing software, if you REALLY want your data GONE, what you need is: The shredder! (pops)

It slices! It dices! It gets rid of that annoying accidental child porn!

dick_justice

Dude, listen to what you just said, "be careful of what you download". How is downloading one of these images any worse then downloading and other image off the internet. You are just moving 1s and 0s around. It's not like these people are taking the images themselves (I think those are the people who should go to jail).

Nothing that occurs enitrely on a computer is real and if some sicko wants to look at some nasty pics i say we let him. We can't force our values on other people's minds.

If i had it my way we would deport everyone who looked at gay pics or japanimation movies, but i don't get to because i have to be tolerant.

Trying a bit too hard to justify the kiddy porn on your puter?

say you inherit innocent(by innocent I mean obviously not pron) pics of yourself naked, at a young age, when whoever raised you died, can you get busted for that?

why is no one commenting on the complete ignorance of this article... limewire a site? Searching for disney places child porn on your computer? You PROBABLY have child pornography on your computer and don't even know it? Who the fark was their source, Helen Lovejoy? my grandmother has a better understanding of the internet... I hate this ignorant fear factor bs that passes as news.

Observations:

1) Dissemination of unwanted child porn rises
The rise in popularity of the more twisted end of internet humor (and some of its most popular sites like 4chan) is leading to more child porn being cached on peoples' computers who don't want it. It's a popular tactic among some of the more extreme trolls.

2)Pervert of the week media mentality skews our priorities away from protecting children
Like a great many other "protect the children" issues, protecting the children is only an interest for the well-adjusted, whose numbers grow fewer all the time. Sensational news coverage of child predation has replaced public shamings a la "The Scarlet Letter" and is likely to survive a long time as child porn is indefensible. Basically, we're looking at people fighting for the right thing (ending child porn) for the wrong reasons (the need for a deviant other in the wake of greater public acceptance of things like homosexuality.)

Predictions:

1) Fixing the law will not happen in the near future
The everyday rube more concerned with stoning the deviant than protecting the kid will make it nigh impossible to adjust rules and enforcement to be within reason regarding more widespread dissemination of unwanted files. Lawmakers who try to work within reason will get jumped on with straw man arguments in the media for protecting child predators. "Maybe we should make sure we're not locking up the innocent" will be taken as "let's legalize child porn," and any attempt to reform will be political suicide.

2) Broken laws will imprison the innocent
People incarcerated (and put on lifetime sex offender rolls) for having unwanted, cached child pornography will increase in number.

i used to work in an internet cafe ~ and one of the duties was to clean off kazza and other similar programs once a week, once in a while there was some very very verrrryy suspect stuff in those kazza share folders though we could never quite pin the culprits(s) as we didnt have a registered log in system back then.

we did however have regular visits from undercover cops ~ no suprises as the owner had gang connections, exciting times for a humble pc cafe

ReverendJasen

It depends, I suppose. If you just found the picture for free, it won't revictimize that person unless they know it's out there and still available. But if you're getting it from a pay service, which seems to be what the cops go after since it's the easiest thing to prove since it's tied to credit cards, then funding those groups encourages the creation of further child porn.

One could make the (much weaker) argument that even the free stuff creates a potentially paying market for futher child exploitation to happen.

Jailbait! Jailbait!

Bin_jammin

I've seen my fair share of hot lesbian porn, and have never come across any kiddie porn accidentally. Where have YOU been surfing?

Look for russian porn.

Plus, you are never sure since you can't tell if it's a cokehead/malnourished russian girl or kiddie porn.

Plus, how do you know what is kiddie porn? I mean there are some obvious ones but sometimes you watch pr0n and you think are they really old enough?

krysbabe:
Yeah gotta hate it when all that *accidental* kiddie porn gets on ones computer..

I used to get Viagra spam using Simpson's incest porn. I don't know if that is technically child porn, but it certainly wasn't a good sales pitch.

If you search in the right places, you shouldn't get mislabeled stuff. Places like limewire and kazaa have tons of mislabeled and bogus trash all over it, why people still go there is beyond me.

However, suppose there was a virus that downloaded kiddy porn to your hard drive, then mailed it to everyone in your address book, while at the same time emailing several government agencies. Now something like that would do some damage.

/Updates antivirus protection.