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(BBC)   Remember that e-mail urging you to boycott gasoline made from oil produced by terrorist sponsors? This gas station is actually doing it. You submitted this with a fungible headline   (news.bbc.co.uk) divider line 78
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2007-02-03 12:45:55 PM
Do people in other countries of the world decide not to buy US products because the US is the largest contributor to global warming? What is worse: Global warming or terrorism?
 
2007-02-03 12:47:16 PM
vertigo32

frostcrow

I've thought about that...get one a major backbone, setup a huge research institution and model education system...if you are in a good climate and have a very good standard of living, you can attract the best people, and have your main export be licensing of technology.

Why not? It would probably take a few billion, but it could be rather lucrative. Try and create a utopia for research...


Ok I'll go halves. You take care of the research stuff and I'll take care of the hookers.

Do I need my half up front ? Cause I'm good for it really. Expecting a check from Ed McMahon any day now.
 
2007-02-03 12:47:57 PM
TheGreenMonkey
Personally, I think the gov should tax the hell out of gasoline. Like 25% on top of what we pay now. Then use the money to provide more road improvements and what not. That's about the only way people will stop using gas on the basis they do now. Problem is that is just not politically expedient, and people opposed to it will label it in the catchall 'raising taxes' category.

Let me introduce you to a country called Canada. Here you see our gas prices. We tax gas out the ying yang and thus our gas prices are about 30% higher than south of the border. Next, I direct your attention to our roads. Please be careful and avoid the numerous potholes and substandard roads. Here's a hardhat to protect you from falling bridges and overpasses.

Y'see, once a government gets money from taxation - regardless of what was taxed - it is incredibly hard to remember what the tax money was supposed to fund. As a result the money raised from gas taxes could just as easily be spent on a new museum or day care subsidy as it could be spent on road repair.

Great idea in theory, but then again so is the whole concept of government. In reality however...
 
2007-02-03 12:59:50 PM
I used to work as a consultant in the data processing department of a major oil company, and I can assure you that whenever you consume a gallon of gasoline, regardless of where it is purchased, you will cause another gallon of gasoline to be imported, so long as we collectively consume more petroleum than we produce. The only way to reduce dependency on foreign oil is to reduce consumption.
 
2007-02-03 01:04:12 PM
TheGreenMonkey

Personally, I think the gov should tax the hell out of gasoline. Like 25% on top of what we pay now. Then use the money to provide more road improvements and what not. That's about the only way people will stop using gas on the basis they do now.

Except that our habits didn't change much since the cost of fuel went up by over 100%. Part of that is because it's a lot cheaper to suck up the costs than to move or get a new car. The rest is that most of the people who end up spending the most are the people who can most afford it, so it only hurts the people on the poor end of the spectrum.

If a 100% increase makes no real difference in people's habits, what would another 25% do?


frostcrow

I say we buy *all* our oil from 'teh terror countries' and get a discount for it.

Then, when all their oil is gone because we bought it all and used it all... we laugh at them because we still have oil and they don't !

Then the terrorists can't come blow our shiat up cause they ain't got no gas to get here from there !


That's official policy, more or less. We have lots of oil, Mexico has lots of oil. We're not using it because it would be more beneficial to have in the future.
 
2007-02-03 01:17:25 PM
Doesn't any company that produces gas support terrorism by definition?

/not sure what that means
//but maybe there's some truth to it anyway
///i need a mimosa
 
2007-02-03 01:23:08 PM
I don't remember hiring an editor.

/But I get hillbillypharmacist's point.
 
2007-02-03 01:25:56 PM
frostcrow Seriously, I want to move to another country. My fellow Americans are just depressingly stupid.

Don't let the door smack you on the ass on the way out. Take the Baldwins and the rest of the snot-nosed yuppies that claimed they were going to leave if Bush got elected with you. We've never viewed you as the brightest bulb in the lamp either, so you're no loss to the team.
 
2007-02-03 01:26:41 PM
Guy Named Ed

Believe me, I know. The state of VA wherein I reside has a similar attitude toward much of the revenue they collect. Rather than being designated toward a specific purpose it tends to go into a general fund, and even if it is designated toward a specific purpose after a while it gets shuffled into the general fund because the politicos see a large pile of money that basically does nothing. At least according to their pov.
 
2007-02-03 01:27:03 PM
Remember that e-mail...? I remember that Fark thread.

It seems like it was only two weeks ago...

The Denver Channel Gas station to offer "terror-free oil." No word on when greedy CEO-free oil will emerge. (68)
 
2007-02-03 01:27:58 PM
(Complete with obligatory early thread "Citgo" placement.)
 
2007-02-03 01:49:04 PM
So.. Who killed the electric car?
 
2007-02-03 01:49:10 PM
Fungible?
Did you mean "fbxrd"?
 
2007-02-03 01:59:54 PM
Rodeodoc: I'm curious - what oil company does no business with the Middle East? Oil is a commodity, and you really have no clue where your finished gasoline product originated. I like the concept, but doubt it's provable.

The company I'm talking about is Murphy Oil. It's main investments are in Canada, the Gulf of Mexico, the North Sea, the Congo and Malaysia (I think you'd really have to stretch to put the Malaysian government on a list of supporting terror). Of course, this is only upstream production - its gas stations almost certainly sell Mid-East oil, so you're exactly right on that part, and the fact that it doesn't do business with the Middle East is purely happenstance and could change at any moment, but for now it's relatively cheery. Also, the company is personally paying for college for everyone who graduates from the local school system (the only catch being that you maintain at least a 2.0 in college and graduate in five years), which is about as feel-good as you can get from a bloodthirsty, money-grubbing corporation.
 
2007-02-03 02:05:17 PM
There is no possible way to know the origins of any particular gallon of gasoline.
 
2007-02-03 02:07:18 PM
This is a marketing ploy wrapped up in symbolism, like sticking magnets on your car.
 
2007-02-03 02:16:19 PM
The station will be out of business within months. People will pay the lowest price regardless, and there's no way they can offer lower prices and stay in business. Hypocrisy is a wonderful thing... people gripe about the oil companies and their profiteering and our reliance on foreign oil, but where the rubber meets the road, so to speak, nobody willingly pays higher prices... at least not enough to make any difference.
 
2007-02-03 02:23:11 PM
Rodeodoc

Don't let the door smack you on the ass on the way out. Take the Baldwins and the rest of the snot-nosed yuppies that claimed they were going to leave if Bush got elected with you. We've never viewed you as the brightest bulb in the lamp either, so you're no loss to the team.


Do the Baldwins have any hot sisters ? I might be interested if they do.

I don't have a problem with Bush really. I mean I don't get all foamy at the mouth and stuff when his named is mentioned. Now it's just you I don't want to be around , mostly. It was everyone but I have decided to focus all my angst on a single person ( easier to keep track of that way and I'm really lazy).

Sooo, one of us has to go. Want to draw straw or something ?
 
2007-02-03 02:42:27 PM
Well, this is interesting as far as it goes.

I only buy gas from Sinclair and Maverick here in SLC.

Sinclair claims to buy only North American oil while Maverick claims that all of its fuel comes from the intermountain west (Wyo, mostly, I think).

What I do probably doesn't matter, but I like the way I look in the mirror better when I do even the little things.
 
2007-02-03 02:44:36 PM
There is no possible way to know the origins of any particular gallon of gasoline.

Not precisely, since it probably didn't all come from the same drill site. However, tracing the trucks that deliver it to the station back to the refineries, and then checking who they get crude oil from, you can figure out where it came from.

This station, and a others like it, get their gas primarily from Murphy Oil, who's areas of exploration and drilling are free of violent anti-US terrorism. They still, nonetheless, do business in drug producing countries and countries that are sympathetic to terrorism, just not targeting the US.

Like Dogbert said in the cartoon, though - it might not all have come from Murphy. Murphy Oil doesn't produce very much - in a month, they generate what the biggest oil companies do in an afternoon. If they can't meet demands for a certain day (According to their website, Murphy was one of the companies that lost equipment in Hurricane Katrina that disrupted their production) there's a market in place to make sure all the stations get supplied, even if you have to buy from a competitor to make up the difference.
 
2007-02-03 04:29:46 PM
2007-02-03 02:44:36 PM Hevach

Exactly. So one afternoon bin Laden drives up in a tanker truck and Chavez hops out and proceeds to fill up the storage tanks.

"What happened to our regular suppliers"?
"They ran out. We're the Fungo Brothers."
 
2007-02-03 04:46:39 PM
Hevach: This station, and a others like it, get their gas primarily from Murphy Oil...

Really? Ha! Anyway, Murphy's set to double oil production over the next few years, which will give them more flexibility.
 
2007-02-03 07:24:28 PM
Try Hess if you live in the Northeast.

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/boycotts/hess.asp

Not just gas stations but a whole variety of terror sponsoring businesses worth avoiding. In NYC it's chain donut shops and convenience stores.
 
2007-02-03 08:20:27 PM
Who says you can't buy that warm happy feeling in your stomach?
 
2007-02-03 09:08:14 PM
Putting the money where the open facial sore resides.
I like the idea, maybe poorly concieved, but I would buy gas there.
Superficial moral superiority is all I've got!
 
2007-02-03 10:19:27 PM
"Because of this, and other reasons as well, our quest is to get away from Middle Eastern oil altogether."

Why we need to develope alternative fuels. Require all vehicles to be E85 capable. It's not hard; only adds about $160 to the cost. Vehicles that can run on a either E85/hydrogen/battery. More incentives to convert homes/businesses to solar/wind power.

/Republican but 100% for creating Alternative, clean energy.
 
2007-02-03 10:37:03 PM
Flux-capacitor.
 
2007-02-04 12:46:06 AM
Oh my god people. Are any of you in the oil business? Check out www.api.org and click on the consumers website. Look around and it'll tell you where the U.S. gets is crude oil from. I could go on and on but I don't feel like it. Way too many beers tonight.
 
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