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VYV
2007-02-03 02:16:34 AM
This thread useless without video
 
2007-02-03 02:17:16 AM
tickets on sale now!
 
2007-02-03 02:18:30 AM
fyi, youtube = ebaumsworld with a bigger budget
 
2007-02-03 02:18:39 AM
puhleaz ppl... find a new friggin business model
 
2007-02-03 02:19:05 AM
So many good Daily Show and Colbert clips will be gone.

Travesty.
 
2007-02-03 02:19:40 AM
If Youtube doesn't remove copyrighted works they are going to get SUED in a major way.

And the media companies will win.
 
2007-02-03 02:20:06 AM
hi Viacom. welcome to the 21st century. this is the future of social interaction, deal with it.
 
2007-02-03 02:20:37 AM
It's a new world. The FAIRNESS of FAIR MARKET VALUE has changed.

Figure it out old guys. Adapt.
 
2007-02-03 02:21:09 AM
And that's why contributors will never get properly paid. The big dollars will go towards the big corps, who are being paid for the free promotional use of the Youtube site. Anyone who wants to watch Robot Chicken clips will just go to another sharesite. Youtube can't monopolize the concept and therefore doesn't.

I agree that DIAF is the right call.

That, and "STFU, our lawyers have hitmen on their speed-dial".
 
2007-02-03 02:21:50 AM
Idiotkiller: hi Viacom. welcome to the 21st century. this is the future of social interaction, deal with it.

Yeah. Just like I said, only different.
 
2007-02-03 02:25:51 AM
You can always tell the companies that are run by old farts because they go after companies like Youtube. Everyone knows it's illegal, it does no harm and the technology moves so fast that by the time you reach court it's obsolete anyway.

I find it hard to believe that there is any value in this. Perhaps a nominal licencing fee might be appropriate, discouraging others from posting copyrighted material but the web is too damn big to win fights like this.
 
2007-02-03 02:28:15 AM
die in a GBFH firah
 
2007-02-03 02:29:24 AM
How dare the copyright holders protect their investment. You guys are really idiots. Youtube is making millions of dollars off of other peoples work. It'd be one thing, it it linked to videos on other sites, but just like ebaums world, it takes video that someone else created and puts it on its own site and gets revenue from its ads. And if it weren't for daily show clips and robot chicken, nobody would go there.
 
2007-02-03 02:29:42 AM
OMG my intellectual property rights are being violated!!!

/stfu and gbtw goddamn cable company
 
2007-02-03 02:30:33 AM
Headline: Viacom to Youtube: "We'd like you to remove 100,000 videos from your site." Youtube: "Die in a fire"

TFA: Youtube "We will comply with that immediately and will continue to do our best to pull down copyrighted material as soon as we receive official request to do so"

Bad Subby!
 
2007-02-03 02:32:16 AM
FeeltheIllinoise
99% of the videos I watch on Youtube are not copyrighted by big companies. Most of them are home videos made by individuals.
 
2007-02-03 02:32:59 AM
I never really watched The Daily Show until i saw a few clips on youtube, now i watch it basically everyday. Youtube makes for good advertisement. Although i do use my DVR to record the show and then fast forward through commercials.
 
2007-02-03 02:34:10 AM
Juicy1366: I never really watched The Daily Show until i saw a few clips on youtube, now i watch it basically everyday.

Bummer. You missed a lot of good comedy before the show turned political.
 
2007-02-03 02:34:47 AM
FeeltheIllinoise: Youtube is making millions of dollars off of other peoples work.

Actually, YouTube has yet to turn a profit.
 
2007-02-03 02:35:38 AM
FeeltheIllinoise: How dare the copyright holders protect their investment. You guys are really idiots. Youtube is making millions of dollars off of other peoples work. It'd be one thing, it it linked to videos on other sites, but just like ebaums world, it takes video that someone else created and puts it on its own site and gets revenue from its ads. And if it weren't for daily show clips and robot chicken, nobody would go there.

I can argue that it's all just pollution that they are corrupting my kid's minds with and making money on with the same principle that they demand a cut of my money.
 
2007-02-03 02:38:20 AM
Juicy1366
You and your advertisement bypassing ways are in violation of the cable user agreement. Yes, that's right, when you signed up for cable (or Dish) there was a bigass agreement you signed. Buried in that agreement was a clause that said you are not allowed to use any device or method to watch show content while bypassing advertisements.

You are robbing artists of their hard earned money!
You are an infringer!
You are a criminal and need to be fined hundreds of thousands of dollars! Because that is a reasonable amount!

/Seriously, Cox has a clause saying you can't use a "Recording Device" to remove ads.
 
2007-02-03 02:38:25 AM
Juicy1366: I never really watched The Daily Show until i saw a few clips on youtube, now i watch it basically everyday.

Former Lee Warmer: Bummer. You missed a lot of good comedy before the show turned political.


I seem to remember a lot of Clinton jokes back before the Bush. As far as comedy material was concerned, Clinton was a gold mine. The show makes fun of current polititians, especially those who screw up and/or do funny things. All of them, regardless of party. Get over it.
 
2007-02-03 02:40:37 AM
dj245
I think he was referring to how TDS spends so much time pushing someone's political agenda when they should be making funny jokes.

/Liked the Clinton jokes.
//Like the Bush jokes.
///Tired of the political push.
 
2007-02-03 02:49:42 AM
I just dont understand how the big companies want stuff pulled from You Tube. It's free freaking publicity. I'm studying marketing right now and I can tell you that if I was trying to get my client's show promoted, YouTube would be the first place I'd think to put it.

It's so easy to get your name out there like that. There's no way having copywrited material like that on youtube is costing them money. Hell, Richard Dawkins has said in many interviews that people should check out his BBC special on youtube. Trust me, the creators of the media want you to see their stuff.
 
2007-02-03 02:57:41 AM
Twigz221: I just dont understand how the big companies want stuff pulled from You Tube. It's free freaking publicity. I'm studying marketing right now and I can tell you that if I was trying to get my client's show promoted, YouTube would be the first place I'd think to put it.

It's called greed and envy.

Greed and envy was never an emotion that included foresight.
 
2007-02-03 03:01:31 AM

It's a new world. The FAIRNESS of FAIR MARKET VALUE has changed.


Hunh? That doesn't even make sense...
 
2007-02-03 03:02:24 AM
99% of the videos I watch on Youtube are not copyrighted by big companies. Most of them are home videos made by individuals.

Yea but no one watches those.


I could see the problem if they showed full, commercial free episodes, but it's just clips. It's free advertising to people who might not have checked out a show other wise.
 
2007-02-03 03:03:10 AM
FeeltheIllinoise: And if it weren't for daily show clips and robot chicken, nobody would go there. [youtube]

I didn't know the home movies of cats were copyrighted by big companies, and the other stuff I've watched is Russian classical arts stuff that isn't even available for sale.
 
2007-02-03 03:08:03 AM
FuDude: It's a new world. The FAIRNESS of FAIR MARKET VALUE has changed.

Hunh? That doesn't even make sense...


Yes it does make sense. The laws of fair market value have changed with technology and society.

What is now fair for society may not have been fair 20 years ago.

When automobiles were first invented there were no speed limits.

Native Americans did not understand the concept of land ownership 300 years ago.

The media that carries music and information is in the air.

Art needs to find a new venue beyond Thomas Edison's invention of recorded images and music and I believe that ne venue is LIVE performance... especially since Rolling Stones tickets cost $600.
 
2007-02-03 03:11:26 AM
Yeah, Viacom, DIAF!!!

...as they meekly remove "Weeds" and "Dexter" episodes from Youtube...
 
2007-02-03 03:12:11 AM
Viacom: I got's to get paid.
 
2007-02-03 03:13:21 AM
MTV shows videos? When?
 
2007-02-03 03:13:47 AM
Maybe this crap isn't worth what everyone thought it was. Since the daily show is only funny for the first 2 minutes of the opening, maybe it really is only worth a few cents.
I wouldn't pay for most of the crap on TV.

Fair market value. 50 years ago, it was worth millions. Today it's worth pennies. better hope you get lots of hits.
 
2007-02-03 03:32:06 AM
Let em keep their secrets, I didn't even peek. Will never know what it is. Little will I care. There's more products out there that's easy to buy and not a secret and that will keep me satisfied. Got a link to a Daily show? Don't know what your talking about.
 
2007-02-03 03:37:45 AM
Perhaps someone needs to post a few hundred LED renditions of Colber and Stewart on bridges across the nations. Time-Warner isn't going after anything to do with ATHF. They understand viral marketing, cheif rule is don't fight the virus.

I really like having the archive of Daily Show and Colbert report clips. Viacom has created disposable comedy, and doesn't make any significant archive available. Perhaps they want to be able to change positions in the future.

If Viacom posted clips, there wouldn't be an issue here.

/Dead viral marketing, Monkey Tuesday
//New virus, Pull of the Weasel Fridays.
 
2007-02-03 03:47:27 AM
So many good memorable segments would be decaying in their useless archives if it wasn't for youtube.. these dinosaurs are aggravating. It's free publicity, and you get to watch something funny when you want and how you want. Just because your medium and business model are approaching obsolescence doesn't mean the best recourse is to lash out like the music companies.

We needed a tech company (Apple with iTunes) to finally create a real decent service for distributing music, the same will happen with video I'm sure. All their efforts are spent on trying to maximize their profit while providing shiatty services... none of it is spent on trying to actually give people what they want AND make some reasonable money with it.
 
2007-02-03 03:54:34 AM
wwfmichael I could see the problem if they showed full, commercial free episodes, but it's just clips. It's free advertising to people who might not have checked out a show other wise.

Actually, they do. Sort of, if you don't mind watching a show in 10 minute segments. There are other sites beside youtube (i.e. dailymotion.com, peekvid.com, guba.com, bleenks.com, even google video)

Will they go after other sites next?
 
2007-02-03 03:57:02 AM
Giving content-producing companies as much control as possible over their content and how it's distributed is good for consumers in the long run because it allows for business models that would not otherwise be profitable to become feasible. A good example is the iTunes music store: since their music is "locked in" with the iPod when it comes to portable music players, it makes an otherwise unprofitable business (the music store by itself) quite lucrative.
 
2007-02-03 04:09:41 AM
koan So many good memorable segments would be decaying in their useless archives if it wasn't for youtube..

Exactly. It is really great advertising, in a way. They should see it as an archive of the old/obscure. Think of it as a video rental store that's always open, no waiting, and holds stuff Blockbuster doesn't care about. You're probably thinking NetFlix, which is another decent model IMO.

We needed a tech company (Apple with iTunes) to finally create a real decent service for distributing music, the same will happen with video I'm sure.

Absolutely, though iTunes is carving out that niche. There are a decent collection of brand spanking new shows (Heroes, 24, Daily Show, Colbert Report). Amazon has a download option too. There are companies working now towards distribution, and that is the only way to go.

If they had their wits about them, then they would let youtube/whomever keep the low res free videos, and market higher res downloads for profit. If someone was going to watch for free, then they either aren't going to buy it anyway, or are sampling it and will purchase if they like.
 
2007-02-03 06:31:31 AM
As a webmaster with half a dozen sites which only use content which is fully licensed and paid for, I don't exactly feel sorry for other websites which bemoan the fact that they can't base their entire business model on stealing other peoples shiat.

But then, Google have a long history of this, look at Google images and the incarnations of Google Toolbar which would put googles own sponsor links in other peoples web pages.

Just because they do do a lot of things right does not mean we should turn a blind fanbois eye when they start bending and breaking the rules.
 
2007-02-03 06:50:20 AM
Viacom to youtube: We hate free publicity, please stop promoting our media without our permission.

The tide is turning. If the big media companies had any sense they would fight to get more of their content on sites like youtube. Go look at youtube - more & more the popular videos are videos made by amateurs.

The few companies that did come to an agreement with YT are definitely benefiting.
 
2007-02-03 07:04:39 AM
The flying V of doom.
 
2007-02-03 07:15:30 AM
koan

All their efforts are spent on trying to maximize their profit while providing shiatty services... none of it is spent on trying to actually give people what they want AND make some reasonable money with it.

QFT

You wouldn't think it would be that complicated would you? Especially in the light of this issue already having been played out through .mp3 - get on the train, morans, stop trying to lie on the tracks.
 
2007-02-03 07:55:49 AM
I want YouTube to comply, because I don't want to be able to see videos of The Jam, The Minutemen, Bauhaus, Gang Of Four, Pere Ubu, and other good bands.

No, I only want to be force-fed the latest crapfest from Justin Timbertwat and K-Pud, and inane reality shows featuring show-biz has beens.

You will be assimilated.
 
2007-02-03 08:18:01 AM
Youtube is making millions of dollars off of other peoples work.

Uhh source please moran
 
2007-02-03 08:37:12 AM
FTA: YouTube said in a statement that it would comply with the request from Viacom and said it cooperates "with all copyright holders to identify and promptly remove infringing content as soon as we are officially notified."

I didn't translate that as DIAF.
 
2007-02-03 08:52:08 AM
Utoh.
Does this include all the vintage old videos that people have posted from 20,30, even 40 years ago, if said videos have a Viacom logo of some sort in the lower right of the screen?

I love youtube because of these classic videos. Most of them were made by folks like me who taped old "Headbangers Ball" or VH1Classic videos, then converted them to files.
There's tons and tons of stuff on there that I haven't seen in decades. Would be a shame if they had to be taken off there....and Viacom sure as heck can't benefit from those files' removal.
 
2007-02-03 09:07:04 AM
It's pretty apparent from this thread that the reason the productivity of this country is failing is because everybody spends WAY too much time watching YouTube videos instead of working.

But then again, I'm on Fark....
 
2007-02-03 09:20:01 AM
From: TFA
Despite Viacom's problems with YouTube, the company's MTV Networks division reached a licensing deal last year with Google that allows the search company's video service to use clips from MTV and its sibling networks under a revenue-sharing agreement.

Huh? Doesn't Google own YouTube now?
 
2007-02-03 10:06:00 AM
Juicy1366: I never really watched The Daily Show until i saw a few clips on youtube, now i watch it basically everyday. Youtube makes for good advertisement. Although i do use my DVR to record the show and then fast forward through commercials.

Exactly. If the viacoms and other mediums were savy, they'd recognize they were getting tons and tons of free advertising for their product.

They should only request that youtube and other similar outlets add marketing tags to the videos, aka a flash of viacom or universal before the video starts and when it finishes.

Instead, these mediums are going fark a good thing and just sue the goose that laid the golden egg ( aka napster and those kinds of services ).
 
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