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2007-02-01 05:14:02 AM
Hey, Wheres my pillow ??
 
2007-02-01 05:15:38 AM
So, does that mean that fat insomniacs now have another excuse?
 
2007-02-01 05:16:51 AM
get no fat OLean pillows, problem solved
 
2007-02-01 05:19:28 AM
So *that's* where my wife went!
 
2007-02-01 05:23:58 AM
The tales match another media report last year of a Sydney man who had taken two Stilnox tablets at home and later woke to find himself lying on a woman's couch wearing a dress.

Sounds like a fun party drug ;)
 
2007-02-01 05:25:54 AM
well this would be a fine thread. now if only i could get some sleep...
 
2007-02-01 05:38:50 AM
Beer does the same thing for me.
 
2007-02-01 05:41:16 AM
They'll just have to counter it with the somnamblulant-bulimia pill.
 
2007-02-01 05:42:01 AM
Imagine the lawsuits this drug would cause IF available widely here in America.......((Shudders)) However, the notion that apparently 2 people sleep drove scares the Fark outta me.... That is all!
 
2007-02-01 05:45:02 AM
I had a dream once that I ate a big, fluffy marshmallow. When I awoke one of the big, fluffy marshmallows from the bag of big, fluffy marshmallows that I keep on my nightstand was missing.

Get this, though. When I went to put on one of my shoes on I couldn't fit my foot all the way in because something was blocking it. Well guess what. Yep!!! Turns out I had inadvertently shoved one of my socks in there when I took off my shoes the previous night!!! Too funny!!!

Well, I laughed and laughed, that is, until my mother barged into the room demanding her bag of marshmallows back. But I had the last laugh knowing there was one still missing.
 
2007-02-01 05:46:57 AM
TheLouisvillian

Imagine the lawsuits this drug would cause IF available widely here in America.......((Shudders)) However, the notion that apparently 2 people sleep drove scares the Fark outta me.... That is all!


Uh, it is available widely in America...its called Ambien: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zolpidem
 
2007-02-01 05:56:41 AM
Ambien is powerfull stuff. Have done many things and had no memory of any of them...including sex with the wife.
 
2007-02-01 06:00:51 AM
Sleep-DRIVING?! and they made it back home?

This could also lead to some awkward situations, or be a great excuse to get out of them. "Honey, did you buy 400 pounds of caramel popcorn and a gold-plated big-nuts squirrel statuette from QVC?" "Uhhh... must have been while I was on Ambien."
 
2007-02-01 06:06:24 AM
Ah yes, heard about this a while back on US new sites, I guess Oz has just noticed a bizzare upswing of fatties?
 
2007-02-01 06:15:34 AM
One time I rode a motorcycle on Ambien. I realized it in the morning when the keys were still in the ignition. I've also called crushes and let all my emotions out. That didnt end well.

Those who consider taking Ambien should not take it for longer than a month. Any longer and you're asking for trouble. Its meant for a short term solution.

/learned the hard way
 
2007-02-01 06:23:08 AM
I want one!
 
2007-02-01 06:40:18 AM
You know, if people would jog their asses around the block a few times they wouldn't have these problems in the first place.

"I didn't do enough in my day so I've got extra energy to burn at night, so I take a sleeping pill. Now I'm fat because I sleep ate on my sleeping pill. So now I need hypertension pills and diet pills because I'm an unhealthy pudge, and Prozac because I'm so depressed by being fat and Viagra because I can't get it up on the Prozac."
 
2007-02-01 06:46:53 AM
Ambien scares the crap out of me. I was prescribed it but decided not to take it after reading up some of the adverse reactions online. I'm not exactly an insomniac though, I just have a hard time regulating my body clock to let me sleep at a consistent time every night. Some nights it's 9pm, the next could be 4am, the next, midnight, etc... No pattern. Just random. I can only go to sleep when I know I need to.

But then again, my experience with other psychologically affective medications has also told me that what might be common for some can be nonexistent for others. A med I take for epilepsy, Keppra, is known for inducing "keppra rage" in folks. Generally it's just like having a nic fit when trying to quit smoking. The halflife of the medication isn't long enough and in between doses people tend to get agitated. Doesn't happen to me at all even though I was considered completely predisposed to that side effect and was warned not to take it. Another doctor I saw suggested to try it anyway after I failed 3 other medications.

One of the ones I failed was Topamax. Used for migraines and epilepsy, it's supposed to drug (as in sedate, it's called "Dopamax" for a reason) most people out so you end up having to scale it up to a therapeutic dose over several weeks to a couple of months. After my first pill, at its lowest possible dose, it made me hyperactive, jittery and eventually put me into a panic attack. Something I have no history of for myself OR in my family.

There's generally a reason why "ask your doctor if (this drug) is right for you" has been uttered extensively in medication commercials over the last few years... and that's still not enough to suggest that some drugs will vary for every person that takes it. Scary thought.
 
2007-02-01 07:11:22 AM
You know, if people would jog their asses around the block a few times they wouldn't have these problems in the first place.

Wow, you have absolutely no experience with real insomnia, do you?
 
2007-02-01 07:12:42 AM
I stay aqwake when I have insomnia and eat to pass the time.
It's a catch 22 situation:)
 
2007-02-01 07:13:44 AM
NineInchNader

Yes, actually. It sucked, but the hallucinations really were grand.

However, I contend that a huge number of people taking Ambien right now don't actually have chronic insomnia.
 
2007-02-01 07:15:29 AM
Why develop a drug when ganja can do the same thing? Jesus...
 
2007-02-01 07:19:38 AM
NineInchNader

Yes, actually. It sucked, but the hallucinations really were grand.

However, I contend that a huge number of people taking Ambien right now don't actually have chronic insomnia.


I'll buy that -- but the blanket statement of everyone just needing to exercise more seemed harsh. My personal opinion, though, is that some of the best nights of sleep I've gotten in my life have been through brief experiments with Ambien.

Didn't stay on it, though, 'cause my doc doesn't want me addicted.
 
2007-02-01 07:32:27 AM
Mhh, or you could just acquire some GHB and actually manage to sleep.
 
2007-02-01 07:33:51 AM
The tales match another media report last year of a Sydney man who had taken two Stilnox tablets at home and later woke to find himself lying on a woman's couch wearing a dress.

Wow. Just wow.
 
2007-02-01 07:35:38 AM
Let your wife watch HGTV in bed. One of those decorating shows knocks me out in 30 seconds flat.
 
2007-02-01 08:05:00 AM
NineInchNader:
didn't stay on it, though, 'cause my doc doesn't want me addicted.

Well to be fair, there is a clinical difference between addiction and medical dependency. Fear of dependency is not a good enough reason to deny someone a needed medication, IMHO. Under a doctor's supervision, you can taper off the drug when it is no longer necessary.

I've needed long-term treatment with Ambien and/or Klonopin due to REM sleep disorder. When I go off the meds during times of remission, I have little trouble ramping down and halting Ambien. (Most problems with Ambien side effects occur due to misuse, in my experience. You MUST be IN BED before you take it, and no thinking you can just "nip downstairs for a little snack". You'll end up eating a bowl of sugar in bed. Erm, I uh, I've heard.)
 
2007-02-01 08:25:50 AM
Ambien saved my life. I have always been a hard core insomniac. I have been taking Ambien for over five years almost every night. Most other drugs like Xanex and Valium leave me too groggy in the morning to function. Ambien burns out of your system so quickly that you wake up very refreshed.
 
2007-02-01 08:43:50 AM
Do you suffer from Insomnia, then ask your doctor about Stilnox....


..and while you are there ask him about a good medical supply company that sells hospital beds with restraints.

Your insurance will probably cover this.
 
2007-02-01 08:47:55 AM
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i can never understand why so many americans have to take drugs just to fall asleep. it's a mystery.
 
2007-02-01 08:53:34 AM
I've Heard this happen alot being a pharm tech. If the doctor just read the package insert on the drug it states the possible side effects. Ambien and any other sleep aid like lunesta restoril halcion are not recomended for every day use. When you against the fda recomended dosing and by what the package insert says you wont have a problem. But no i always get calls from members saying well if my dr. wrote the prescription he must know what he's doing. i laugh a little cause when we let the dr. know he has no clue.
 
2007-02-01 08:57:01 AM
This explains what happened to Stacey Petrie!

/Obscure?
 
2007-02-01 09:22:39 AM
PAMF: Ambien is powerfull stuff. Have done many things and had no memory of any of them...including sex with the wife.

Yup. Apparently I sat up one night and had conversation with husband about how I was moving to Mexico the next day. I have no memory of any of it.

And no man, I have never been to Mexico, either.
 
2007-02-01 09:28:03 AM
MiamiChef: Ambien saved my life. I have always been a hard core insomniac. I have been taking Ambien for over five years almost every night. Most other drugs like Xanex and Valium leave me too groggy in the morning to function. Ambien burns out of your system so quickly that you wake up very refreshed.

Be careful with that shiat, homie. Up here in UCF land kids are taking Ambien and then forcing themselves to stay awake, so they trip off the hypno affect. I'm a little older, so I remember quaaludes. Ambien +2 > methaqualude. The farked up think about it is you do shiat you just don't remember. I mean, have NO clue about.
 
2007-02-01 09:38:52 AM
Now, if only there was some other drug that could make people both sleepy and hungry at the same time....

/And giggly
//And appreciative of Pink Floyd record
 
2007-02-01 09:53:08 AM
NaziKamikaze

Beat me to it.
 
2007-02-01 10:00:51 AM
Raging Thespian

This explains what happened to Stacey Petrie!

/Obscure?


i dont get it, burford.
 
2007-02-01 10:18:00 AM
Donnie Darko: If the doctor just read the package insert on the drug it states the possible side effects. Ambien and any other sleep aid like lunesta restoril halcion are not recomended for every day use.

Actually, according to their website (pops) giving information, Lunesta is rated for long-term use:
 
2007-02-01 10:24:46 AM
So that's Ambien? Explains things. I have taken mine while I'm finishing up a WarCrack session, forgotten about it, and then spending 10 minutes the next day trying to figure out why I'm dead in a part of the world I've never been to before.
 
2007-02-01 10:29:07 AM
Lunesta is probably the only medication I've had any luck with for insomnia. OTC ones are really bad for my liver, and I built up a tolerance like a bastard. Ambien left me groggy the next day. One of the other new ones...I forget which, knocked me out for 30 hours when I started taking it. They had me on Remron for a while...which isn't actually a sleeping pill, but it worked fairly well until I built a tolerance. Gave me some VIVID dreams though...almost like fever dreams. Now THAT'S entertainment ;)

As for Lunesta, I don't feel any groggier in the morning than I normally would, no tolerance has developed (knock on wood). Only side effect I have is that metallic taste in my mouth...usually lasts from 15-20 mins after taking the pill into mid-morning.
 
2007-02-01 10:36:29 AM
IXI Jim IXI: Actually, according to their website (pops) giving information, Lunesta is rated for long-term use:

That's what I take now.

Brilliant :)

Ambien scared the crap out of me. I mean, I MEAN ya know I'm from that generation of people that *cough* experimented with drugs, and damn if I ever took anything that was such a complete mind wipe.

I think the vivid dream thing is what happens when your synapses are going spazz. Like they are adjusting to the new level of whatever it is you are taking. On TF (you've been there) we've gotten into the 'brain zaps' thing. It's like a 'zap' that flashes across your conciousness between doses, or whenever you are adjusted to a new uptake inhibitor. They can get really bad if you come straight down off something without phasing out slowly. It appears that you either get the 'zaps' or the vivid dreams thing. I am a vivid dreamer type like. It's groovy, if you can get some distance from it and consider the experience objectively. Of course, not being able to stop it is a huge farking bummer...
 
2007-02-01 10:54:47 AM
I would prefer to just smoke a fat bowl, eatnoocontrollably while I'm awake, and then fall asleep.
Seems like a much more logical order of events.
 
2007-02-01 10:56:31 AM
Faethe: I mean, I MEAN ya know

You're not a father raper, are you? :D

I think the vivid dream thing is what happens when your synapses are going spazz. Like they are adjusting to the new level of whatever it is you are taking. On TF (you've been there) we've gotten into the 'brain zaps' thing. It's like a 'zap' that flashes across your conciousness between doses, or whenever you are adjusted to a new uptake inhibitor.

The wierd thing, though, is I was on this pill for pretty close to a year. I would have thought things would have gotten adjusted by then. ;)

I never really had a bad "trip", though...the dreams were just vivid. That actually worked to my advantage...I always have trouble shutting my mind down enough to get tired. With Remron, I was actually looking forward to what kind of dreams I would end up having.

Alas, eventually I built a tolerence. Plus, I think it put about 25 lbs on me, which did not amuse me much ;)
 
2007-02-01 11:13:59 AM
Ambien is a hell of a drug. I've taken it once...the roommate told that I sat up at about two in the morning, announced that I was dying, and spent the rest of the night pounding my chest to keep my heart going because I thought it had stopped.

/never had insomnia
//just like a good night's sleep
 
2007-02-01 11:51:58 AM
Ambien is a hell of a drug! Leaves me hella groggy in the mornings, and I hallucinate like I'm on acid for the first couple of hours. Hard to sleep when the space heater turns into a giant dragon and talks about your shortcomings...
 
2007-02-01 11:59:41 AM
Ambien works great if you do exactly as the bottle states, pop pill in mouth, swallow, lay back in bed, do not move...

It's only when you decide to pop the pill and enjoy the ride that things go all Hunter S. Thompson. I learned pretty quick not to fark around with the stuff when I first started taking it. I got to experimenting with seeing how long I could hold out after taking a pill before finally falling asleep.

About 3AM the fiancee hears all kinds of banging in the kitchen, cabinet doors and drawers slamming. She comes out to see what the hell is going on... On one side of the kitchen countertop I have all of my pill bottles arranged in a large group... on the other side of the countertop, all of her pill bottles arranged in a similar fashion. I have stuck shish-ka-bob skewers in the middle of both groups, and made little decorated ornate paper flags for both skewers.

She sees all of this and says, "What the fark is going on?"

She says I calmly turned and replied, "This is my pill army."

She then states that I simply turned 180 degrees and walked away, only to go pass out on the couch. I have to trust all of this as accurate as I have no memory of it at all. But she left my pill army there to greet me in the morning.

Soon as I saw that I knew it was time to quit farking around with the ambien and take it the way the doc told me to. Long as you follow the instructions, it works exactly as it was designed, no problems.
 
2007-02-01 12:24:42 PM
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2007-02-01 01:02:20 PM
I take Ambien CR. The worst thing I ever did in my sleep while on it was sign up for a Something Awful account and paid $9.95 to do it.

Also I have been doing Atkins and I have lost 49 lbs. since April 06.
 
2007-02-01 01:08:40 PM
Oh wait, one time on Ambien I photoshopped this. I kind of remember doing it. I was tripping and the girl in the picture (on the right)was talking to me and I tried to rescue her. She was in a Bullseye ad on Fark. I kind of rememeber I wanted to save her. I don't know. Pic I shopped in my zombie state below.

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2007-02-01 01:08:40 PM
Not quite sure why this is news, as it's been documented for well over a year now. I've had quite a few sleepeating episodes on Ambien-- but not nearly as many as I did on Trazodone.

/mmmm..... Ambien....
 
2007-02-01 01:11:27 PM
DJShamrock: Pic I shopped in my zombie state below.

You're in trouble. I come out with stuff much more farked up stone sober ;)
 
2007-02-01 01:23:17 PM
I don't like ambien and will almost never prescribe it. The temptation to take it for a long time is too great. I others have noted, most sleeping drugs were meant for short term (less than 2 weeks) use. There are only a few meds that are ok for long term use. The problem with most benzo-type sleeping aids is that if you use them for too long, then you will find yourself being unable to sleep right without them, should you try to stop using them, due to the way it messes up the sleep-cycle.
 
2007-02-01 01:33:33 PM
I have had insomnia since I was a child. Been to many sleep professionals, tests, the works. Lunesta makes everything I drink taste metallic and awful. Rozerem doesn't work at all for me. I can't take xanax or valium because I used to be addicted to them. Ambiem CR is the only thing tat works.

It's tricky. When I would take it and stay up, I would trip out and do stuff like that picture. So I would take the pill when I layed down. Then after awhile, it would take hours to kick in, so I would have to take 2 to go to sleep before 3 am.

Now, I have to take the Ambien an hour before bed, watch TV, and as soon as I feel sleepy, lay down. I am out by 12:30 am, and am not running out of Ambien.

Every doctor has said I need Ambien. I have been up for weeks at a time without it. I almost failed every year in school growing up till I used my insomnia to find study time, then I did well.
 
2007-02-01 01:43:01 PM
DJShamrock: Rozerem doesn't work at all for me

Ahh...I think it was Rozerum that knocked me out for an entire day. Didn't even get to see Abe Lincoln or the groundhog, either. Bastards...
 
2007-02-01 03:29:56 PM
My wife takes Ambien every few days, and she's been known to "sleep-eat". She'd crash out on the couch and when it's time for bed, she'd walk into the kitchen and eat right out of the boxes while standing in the dark in front of the cabinets. Any married man knows better than to tell his wife to stop eating because she doesn't need it, so I kept to myself on the subject until she mentioned she didn't know WHY she kept gaining weight.

I was drunk, so I blurted out the correct answer. After our fight, I figured out that she had no idea that she was doing it. No recollection at all.

Now I just stash the snacks in different locations and she will "look" for them in her sleep, not find them, and crack open a diet Sprite instead. Not exactly a Solution, but it's better than her eating a bar of baking chocolate or a whole bag of chips without ever knowing it.

No Ambien Dialing yet, tho... to my knowledge...
 
2007-02-01 03:55:57 PM
Tried Ambien once. Never again... Man, I thought my doc had given me Acid or something. Way too intense and vivid for my liking. Got on Trazodone and everything is coming along nicely now... It's just nice to be able to sleep at night for once.

/better living with chemistry...
 
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2007-02-01 05:04:17 PM
IXI Jim IXI

Remeron did a number on me for over a year or so, in different dosages. 5, 10, 20, 30 (and the 30's were sublingual lemon flavored fizzy tablets!), they'd all put me down for 24+ hours. If I bothered to get up, I was a zombie, and a real dick to everyone, just 'cause I wanted to sit quietly and internalize, or be asleep. If I stayed awake after dosing, I tripped lightly.

Boy are you right about those dreams, though. Someone who isn't me, of course, ended up making a good bit of money by selling people "sleeping acid." the 30's were a best seller.
 
2007-02-01 06:58:05 PM
Ambien never worked for me. It helped me fall asleep, but I would wake up 3 or 4 hours later and have trouble getting back to sleep.

A Benadryl and a few sips of wine work great, though.
 
2007-02-01 07:21:39 PM
Faethe
Ambien +2 > methaqualude. The farked up think about it is you do shiat you just don't remember. I mean, have NO clue about.
Bingo..I once took 20mg Ambien; it was identical to 300 mg methaqualone, which I had the misfortune of sampling in the '80s, with the added benefit of hallucinations(visual and auditory)....yuch!
Take trazodone now..much safer!
 
2007-02-01 11:56:27 PM
2007-02-01 10:24:46 AM msuwalt
So that's Ambien? Explains things. I have taken mine while I'm finishing up a WarCrack session, forgotten about it, and then spending 10 minutes the next day trying to figure out why I'm dead in a part of the world I've never been to before.

Been there, done that. I distinctly remember having to take a double dose because I had a really early doctor appt and sat down to play WoW to pass the time. I remember everything going all wonky...
...and then my alarm is going off, and I'm in bed but the tv was on with a DVD playing. According to my friends I was chatting with at the time on there, I started typing in all caps and just saying really random stuff.

And there was one time I logged on to a new alt, went to buy some professions, and found I'd already gotten them and kitted myself out with bags.

Aside from that, it's been good to me. I had to learn to make sure I didn't eat for a few hours beforehand or it could take hours to kick in, and to go to bed IMMEDIATELY or I'll go past the pass-out stage and into the wah-wah-wah stage. Signs of it kicking in include a mental "flipflop" sensation, things tasting "grainy" if I'm eating, and a weird 3d effect on high-contrast images like icon edges.

Just wish they'd get a generic out already, dammit.

Lunesta works almost as well but that metallic aftertaste when it kicks in blows bigtime. Especially when it sticks around for a few hours after waking up.
 
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